[03:33] <josephnexus> hello everyone!
[03:34] <josephnexus> i'm trying to set up ltsp and all that my thin clients get when trying to boot is File Not Found
[03:34] <josephnexus> i can connect locally using a tftp client
[03:34] <josephnexus> but for some reason none of my clients can connect
[03:34] <josephnexus> they do get a dhcp address
[03:34] <josephnexus> any ideas?
[03:35] <josephnexus> brb
[03:38] <josephnexus> back
[03:38] <josephnexus> anyone get any ideas about my problem?
[03:41] <josephnexus> gonna try chaning my interfaces
[18:10] <wima> i'm noticing some problems with local devices lately
[18:10] <wima> devices are not mounted anymore when i plug them in
[18:11] <wima> on the old server everything worked fine
[18:11] <wima> i used udev to change permissions on /dev/fuse so i didnt have to add all users to the fuse group
[18:12] <wima> (users are in an ldap db)
[18:12] <wima> it used to work fine
[18:12] <wima> installed a new server, and it doesn't work anymore
[18:12] <wima> does anyone have an idea?
[18:13] <wima> id i add the user to the fuse group, it works
[18:20] <ogra> the mounting tool is suid fuse iirc (was changed because users tended to change permissions of the devcie which introduced security holes :) )
[18:21] <wima> ah
[18:21] <wima> is there anything i can do about it?
[18:22] <wima> i'm not really looking forward to putting all the ldap users in the fuse group
[18:22] <ogra> have a look at /bin/fusermount
[18:23] <wima> -rwsr-xr-- root fuse
[18:24] <wima> what does this mean?
[18:24] <wima> hat it will alwaus execute as root?
[18:25] <ogra> no
[18:26] <ogra> that it has a stick group bit set
[18:26] <ogra> so it will always execute as group fuse
[18:26] <wima> right
[18:27] <wima> and why is this a problem?
[18:28] <wima> i meqn
[18:28] <wima> where is the permission problem
[18:29] <ogra> you need to be in eh fuse group
[18:29] <ogra> remove the sticky bit and change it to root.root
[18:30] <wima> ok
[18:30] <wima> thanks
[18:30] <wima> btw: is anyone considering doing something about this?
[18:31] <ogra> not me
[18:31]  * ogra wont break security and doesnt really care about misconfigured ldap setups
[18:32] <wima> you would put the ldap users in the fuse group?
[18:32] <ogra> just have a script that adds users to the right group instead of ripping open security holes
[18:32] <wima> wasn't there a pam module to do this?
[18:41] <wima> ah. found it!
[18:41] <wima> pam_group
[18:41] <ogra> yeah, thats the one
[18:41] <ogra> way cleaner :)
[18:42] <wima> super
[18:42] <wima> thanks
[19:37] <LaserJock> ogra: hi
[20:40] <LaserJock> ogra: how's it going over there?
[20:41] <ogra> LaserJock, busy
[20:41] <LaserJock> ogra: cmpc?
[20:41] <ogra> but at least i have released a classmate RC yesterday
[20:41] <LaserJock> oh, for intrepid?
[20:41] <ogra> cmpc, my move into mobile ... my older duties i try to get rid of etc
[20:41] <ogra> nope hardy
[20:41] <LaserJock> k
[20:42] <LaserJock> is it on p.u.c/~ogra/ ?
[20:42] <ogra> yep
[20:42] <LaserJock> k
[20:42] <ogra> usual place
[20:42] <LaserJock> I'll try it out today
[20:42] <ogra> focusing on the newer celeron devices though
[20:42] <LaserJock> oh, will it still work on mine?
[20:42] <ogra> but will still work on the old ones
[20:42] <LaserJock> k, cool
[20:42] <ogra> yeah, it should
[20:43] <LaserJock> anything happening much in Education Edition ?
[20:43] <LaserJock> I was looking at some bugs the other day
[20:43] <LaserJock> squeak problems that I don't want to get into ;-)
[20:44] <LaserJock> with openjdk in Main I suppose some Java edu apps might be possible to add?
[20:45] <ogra> yeah
[20:45] <ogra> even though i think openjdk doesnt ship the browser plugin yet
[20:45] <ogra> i'll look inot the suqeak ftbfs if i find any time
[20:45] <LaserJock> ogra: I found the problem, and it's apparently still the same code in squeak-vm SVN
[20:46] <ogra> but trying to draw back from edu without anyone taking over isnt so easy
[20:46] <ogra> so it sticks to me
[20:46] <ogra> and i dont want to be evil
[20:46] <LaserJock> ogra: they have write() without and error checking or return value checking
[20:46] <ogra> eeek
[20:46] <LaserJock> well, the actually do check later if the write worked
[20:47] <LaserJock> but not via the return value
[20:47] <ogra> i think the edubuntu CD doesnt look to good atm due to recommends not being sorted yet
[20:47] <LaserJock> so with our new CFLAGS it FTBFS
[20:47] <LaserJock> ogra: is it oversized?
[20:47] <ogra> yeah
[20:47] <ogra> lol
[20:47] <ogra> we have 400M free
[20:47] <LaserJock> oh
[20:47] <LaserJock> cool
[20:47] <ogra> no way to get that oversized quickly
[20:48] <LaserJock> have you looked at all at whether Recommends will pull in non-Main packages?
[20:48] <ogra> they do apparently
[20:49] <ogra> stgraber looked at it more than i this cycle
[20:49] <LaserJock> k
[20:49] <LaserJock> ogra: get anywhere on the dynamic menu GUI? :-)
[20:50] <ogra> no, i think i'll have to drop it
[20:50] <ogra> as well as willow
[20:50] <LaserJock> did you get a start?
[20:50] <ogra> the only thing i'll have time for is compcache which is 80% implemented
[20:50] <ogra> no, not really
[20:50] <LaserJock> k
[20:50] <ogra> i'm working 14h/day in the mobile team
[20:51] <ogra> all i do in edu or ltsp is totally in spare time
[20:51] <LaserJock> ok
[20:51] <LaserJock> so what is compcache going to do?
[20:51] <ogra> cut down the ram reqs for ltsp clients and the liveCD
[20:51] <ogra> and for things like classmate
[20:52] <LaserJock> oh, that'd be nice
[20:52] <ogra> it cretes a compressed swapdevice in the systems ram
[20:52] <ogra> so you can gain up to 1§ more ram
[20:52] <ogra> 1/3
[20:52] <LaserJock> huh
[20:52] <LaserJock> what does that do to performance?
[20:52] <ogra> impacts it slightly
[20:53] <ogra> but not so much that it would disturb
[20:53] <LaserJock> does the cost of compression get compensated for by having it in RAM?
[20:53] <ogra> well, it adds CPU overhead
[20:54] <ogra> but yes, its in ram so no disk IO involved
[20:54] <LaserJock> right, that's what I meant by "CPU"
[20:54] <LaserJock> arg
[20:54] <LaserJock> meant by "cost"
[20:54] <LaserJock> ogra: are Edubuntu meetings still being held?
[20:56] <ogra> not actively recently, no
[20:56] <ogra> stgraber pushes from time to time ... but  think he gave up ... and we ended being only RichEd, him and me
[20:57] <ogra> but if there is no community interest what shall we do
[20:57] <LaserJock> yeah
[20:57] <LaserJock> I know what you mean
[21:43] <stgraber> yeah, I remember a time where edubuntu was a lot more active
[21:44] <ogra> yep
[21:44] <LaserJock> well, projects have cycles of activity too
[21:46] <LaserJock> I think edubuntu (or whatever it's being called) could get revived a bit :-)
[21:49] <ogra> yeah
[21:50] <stgraber> yeah, I think the main issue is that most of the community is still stuck at Edubuntu=Ubuntu+LTSP+edu softwares
[21:50] <stgraber> the move to an addon and ltsp to alternate wasn't that much understood
[21:50] <LaserJock> well
[21:50] <stgraber> at least that was the result of the 2-3 talks I gave about Edubuntu/LTSP/ubuntu education
[21:51] <LaserJock> I think a clear purpose, a clear mission, a clear Roadmap are helpful
[21:52] <LaserJock> there was definitely a shift of emphasis with LTSP moving out, but I'm not sure we really figured out what we wanted to with Ubuntu Education Edition
[21:53] <LaserJock> I'm gonna run home, bbiab
[22:51] <pmfranco> Hola Edubunteros
[22:51] <pmfranco> me pueden ayudar???
[22:52] <pmfranco> necesito encontrar themes para mi edubuntu, por favor