/srv/irclogs.ubuntu.com/2008/08/05/#kubuntu-devel.txt

apacheloggereh00:02
apacheloggersomeone please explain http://aplg.kollide.net/tmp/kde4libs_4.1.0-0ubuntu7_i386.build.gz to me00:02
apacheloggernote line 25274 and what is happening before00:02
jjesseanyone trying to run intrepid in vmware workstation?01:19
jjesseanyone there?01:26
apacheloggeryo01:26
jjesseapachelogger: you try running intrepid in vmware?01:26
* apachelogger doesn't use vmware01:26
apacheloggerjjesse: did you try it in virtualbox?01:26
jjessenope i have a license for vmware workstation which i use all the time for work01:27
jjessei can't click at all in intrepid01:27
jjesseworks fine in hardy01:27
apacheloggerwell, some quirk in the current intrepid kernel I would guess01:27
jjesseyeah its frustrating01:27
apacheloggeror maybe it's because of the ongoing xserver breakage ;-)01:27
jjessei can't do use the live cd or do an install01:27
jjessewhen ever i click on the application launher  the configure taskbar widget comes up01:28
apacheloggerwell, I would suggest trying how it behaves in virtualbox01:28
apacheloggermaybe it works, there which is probably good for use while it's broken for vmware01:29
jjessewhy virtual box?01:29
apacheloggerbecause IIRC we actually have drivers for vbox included01:29
jjesseis it different then vmware somehow01:29
apacheloggerit is floss01:30
jjesseah i c01:30
jjessetyping one handed hokdingg child01:30
apacheloggerand from my point of view floss + floss > floss + prop ;-)01:30
jjesserunning updates on alpha 3 install to see what happens01:30
vorianjjesse: first child?01:31
jjessevorian: yes01:31
vorianaww, that's awesome01:31
vorian:)01:31
* vorian has 401:31
jjessewow01:31
vorianand plays ssh games with the oldest boy01:31
jjessewife is out grocery shopping01:31
jjessethat would be cool01:32
vorianit's a good trade off imo :)01:32
voriani hate shopping01:32
vorian+01:32
* apachelogger loves shopping :P01:32
vorianyou never get everything your are "supposed" to get01:32
vorianapachelogger: NEVAR!01:32
apacheloggerI usually get more :P01:32
* apachelogger is really wondering why kde4libs builds twice01:33
jjesseme 201:33
vorianapachelogger: new --twice option in pbuilder?01:33
jjessewhich is why my wife doesnt me by myself01:33
apacheloggervorian: maybe01:33
vorianwtf!01:34
vorianme too!01:34
voriani thought it was supposed to be called!01:34
apacheloggerI guess something is broken01:34
apacheloggerthe most recent kde4libs build didn't do 2 rounds in the buildds01:35
vorianthat sucks01:35
cadoojjesse: might want to try pci=noacpi as aboot option in grub. I know this solved it for me in a previous release01:35
vorianat least it doesn't purge first01:35
jjessecadoo: thanks will try that01:35
apacheloggermeh01:36
apacheloggerlp is the awfullest01:36
apacheloggerobjcopy: debian/kde-nightly-qt-dbg/usr/lib/debug//opt/kde-nightly/lib/libQtDesigner.so.4.4.1: Invalid operation01:36
vorianat least folderview is working again :)01:37
vorian<301:37
apacheloggerOo01:38
* apachelogger would sell his body for seeing the soyuz source01:39
apacheloggerthese issues are mindwarping01:39
jjessecadoo: booting with pci=noacpi didn't change a thing01:39
cadoojjesse: sorry i was thinking of i8042.noloop as boot parameter. try that01:40
jjesseok will do01:40
cadoojjesse: did some more reading. to refresh my memory01:41
jjesseyeah?01:42
cadoojjesse: oh nothing. my reading turned up the 18042.noloop parameter and that sounded familar. take note it was to get the mouse working in feisty and virtual pc but worth a shoot.01:43
cadoojjesse: i8042.noloop01:44
jjesseoh tried tht as well01:44
jjessecadoo: http://www.ubuntukungfu.org/blog/2008/07/installing-ubuntu-intrepid-alpha-3-in-vmware/01:44
jjessemight solve it01:45
jjessewrong key01:47
jjessecadoo: that link solved it01:54
jjessequestion i have intrepid now working in my virutal machine, now wondering why the desktop pager applet is coming before the applicatin launcher03:20
jjessewould think it should be the other way around03:20
ryanakcaAnybody have a screenshot of Intrepid / KDE4.1 out of the box that emunkki can use for mockups?04:01
vorianhmmm04:02
vorianryanakca: hold on a sec :)04:04
ScottKseele: Read your blog post.  I think proprietary developers are motivated by what sells to management.  I think they probably have even less motivation for usability than FOSS deveopers.04:31
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yuriyryanakca: http://bp0.blogger.com/_Jn7tUiuzfcA/SJUWiHWJxxI/AAAAAAAAABA/ZAHC6TXLnoY/s1600-h/intrepidDefault2.jpeg not quite what it looks like now, but what it should look like once he's done messing with the settings05:35
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Tonio_hi there06:59
Tonio_http://ramonantonio.net/kde-firefox/06:59
Tonio_sounds interesting for kubuntu users using firefox..... I just tested and the result is pretty fine06:59
Tonio_except for the fonts, but that's gonna be done with gtk-qt-engines06:59
Tonio_Riddell: we could eventually package it, afai can get the licence for it :)07:00
JucatoTonio_: apachelogger is also working on a KDE 4 theme for Firefox07:40
Jucatooxygen theme I mean07:41
Jucatohttp://apachelog.blogspot.com/2008/07/light-years-ago-work-on-oxygen-theme.html07:42
Tonio_Jucato: interesting :)07:59
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Tonio_Riddell: I'm uploading kdesdk, fixing the "kdeinit could not start /usr/bin/kate" issue09:11
Tonio_Riddell: that was due to a kde3 patch09:12
RiddellTonio_: ok10:05
mornfallyuriy: (If you feel like it, you could pull from my repos and try out before alpha6 (I still have some TODO left, too)...)10:18
mornfallAnyone with working adept 2.1, could you check what you have under the "simple" tag list?10:20
mornfallOh, nevermind, I found source.10:21
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DRebellionvorian, what's the status with monkeystudio?10:37
thefishi know this probably isnt the right place, but this mornings kdelibs update seems to have broken my mouse/keyboard, more details on request (also will keep quiet in future on request!)11:36
Riddellsure it wasn't something else?11:37
thefishRiddell no im not sure, it could have been as there were some more, sorry to be so vague11:37
thefishwill try to narrow it down11:37
Riddellhmm, did anyone ever write a MIR for libqca2-plugin-ossl ?11:42
RiddellTonio__: what's happening with kdebluetooth?  it's currently due to be demoted to universe11:53
Riddelloh11:54
Tm_Tmgh11:55
Riddellnixternal: what happened to the new pinentry?12:27
seeleScottK: i agree.  they're more likely to be in it for the money than for the love of software12:33
RiddellNightrose: wibble, any idea if amarok 1.4 has fixes for the new libmtp?  http://launchpadlibrarian.net/16560442/buildlog_ubuntu-intrepid-i386.amarok_2%3A1.4.9.1-2ubuntu4_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz13:27
NightroseRiddell: afair Gentoo had some patches - you might want to ask jefferai - he investigated I think13:28
RiddellNightrose: ok, asking13:29
kishoreapachelogger: ping13:40
kishoreany other kubuntu packaging guys in here?13:41
Riddellwe all are13:45
kishoreRiddell: there seems to  be a bug in the konqueror-plugin-fsview-kde4 and perhaps other konq plugins too13:56
kishorewhere it tries to install the man page to /usr instead of /usr/kib/kde413:56
kishorethis causes installation failure in hardy when kde3 is also installed13:57
kishorei am referring to the kde4 ppa repository13:57
kishorei tried fixing it but i could not figure out how the packaging happens13:58
kishoreso im just reporting here13:58
Riddelllooks like a Jonathan Thomas job13:59
Riddellkishore: he's not around, you may want to e-mail echidnaman@gmail.com and point out the issue to him14:00
kishoreRiddell: thats apachelogger right?14:00
Riddellno14:01
Riddelljontheechidna when he's on irc14:01
kishoreok thanks. will do14:02
ryanakcayuriy: thanks14:15
ryanakcaCould someone test ``Add Network Folder'' in Dolphin on HH for me please? When I click on it, I get ``KDEInit could not launch '/usr/lib/kde4/bin/knetattach'.''. (Dolphin -> Places -> Network -> Add Network Folder)14:31
ryanakcaalso, has anybody had problems dist-upgrading to intrepid in the last few days?14:38
nixternalwow, some insane storms last night14:49
jjessenixternal: a co-worker of mine was tyring to get out o'hare last night14:50
jjessewas on the tarmac taxing to the runway when they got called back because of a tornado warning14:50
nixternalya, we had a touchdown here....quite a bit of damage locally14:51
nixternalthank god for generators14:51
jjessewow crazy14:54
nixternalworking from home today :)14:55
davmor2Riddell: Did you get everything fixed yesterday?14:57
Riddelldavmor2: yes I think so14:57
Riddellexcept the systray14:57
davmor2what about folder view?14:58
Riddellworks for me14:58
davmor2Riddell: I'll update the iso's and try again then :)14:58
Riddellmight point at the wrong folder, I'm not sure14:58
davmor2And that's your definition of fixed then :P14:59
nixternalRiddell: working on packaging the pinentry-qt4 stuff...I made the changes to the package but need to figure out why it FTBFS and will then upload15:06
JontheEchidnaAaah, back.15:16
Riddellmorning JontheEchidna15:16
JontheEchidnabtw, a fix for that konq plugin should be in the k-u-t ppa15:16
JontheEchidnaneed testers for Hardy for that one15:16
RiddellJontheEchidna: I'm sure kishore will test it15:17
JontheEchidnaI'll email him back with ppa infos15:18
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nixternaljjesse: how come IRC doesn't come with weapons of mass destruction? argh!15:20
jjessedude i totally agree15:20
JontheEchidnabah, I need to fix that typo in plasma-am4rok before I forget again15:21
JontheEchidnaRiddell: Do I need to bump the version of plasma-am4rok to -0ubuntu2 since plasmoid-am4rok was never published?15:28
RiddellJontheEchidna: no15:28
JontheEchidnaOk15:28
JontheEchidnaI'll file a bug and attach the diff.gz/dsc/orig.tar.gz15:28
JontheEchidnaoh, there's no package to file against15:29
JontheEchidnaRiddell: should I just email it to you?15:29
RiddellJontheEchidna: ok15:30
jjessenixternal: how long has flaccid been working on his book?15:30
nixternalforever15:31
jjessenixternal: awesome he's touting it in the doc channel again15:31
yuriyhmm switching keyboard layout doesn't seem to work15:32
yuriyhmm readded the layout and it works15:33
NightroseRiddell: Amarok 2 reads XDG-dir to find out the directory it scans by default - this seems to be set like this in Kubuntu: XDG_MUSIC_DIR="$HOME/"15:38
Nightrosethis means Amarok 2 scans the whole home directory on first start15:38
Nightroseis there any reason for it not being XDG_MUSIC_DIR="$HOME/Music"?15:38
Nightrose(we will of course have to check for this anyway but would be interesting to know why it is set to the users home directory15:39
RiddellNightrose: that's not what I have15:40
Riddellgrep MUSIC /home/jr/.config/user-dirs.dirs15:40
RiddellXDG_MUSIC_DIR="$HOME/Music"15:40
Nightrosehmmmm hardy?15:40
Nightrosecause both markey and I have it set like above15:40
Riddellguess so15:40
Nightrosemaybe because of upgrades from previous versions?15:40
RiddellNightrose: presumably ~/Music exists?15:40
NightroseI created it here some time ago - symlink to my external HDD15:41
JontheEchidnaNeed sponsor for bug 25499815:42
ubottuLaunchpad bug 254998 in plasmoid-quickaccess "New upstream release (plasmoid-quickaccess 0.7.1)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/25499815:42
RiddellNightrose: if I rm ~/.config/user-dirs.dirs and run xdg-user-dirs-update it recreates it fine15:44
Nightroseok thanks Riddell15:44
Nightrosevery strange15:44
Nightroseany idea why it is happening?15:44
yuriyOK it just randomly stops working (the keyboard layout)15:45
RiddellNightrose: nope, what happens if you rm ~/.config/user-dirs.dirs and run xdg-user-dirs-update?15:45
Nightroselet me try15:45
NightroseRiddell: then it is set to HOME/Music15:46
JontheEchidnaOh cool15:49
JontheEchidnaKDE svn has a 4.1 brach for Laneclot15:49
JontheEchidna*Lancelot15:49
yuriyok so my arrow keys stop working. when I unplug and plug the keyboard back in, they work, but keyboard layout switching does not.15:52
JontheEchidnahow would I make a snapshot tarball from an svn source tree?15:52
yuriyif I go to the configuration dialog for that and click apply, that works, bu arrow keys don't15:52
yuriyhmm maybe I forgot to restart X after updating..15:53
RiddellJontheEchidna: uploaded plasmoid-am4rok16:00
JontheEchidnaRiddell: thanks16:00
RiddellJontheEchidna: svn export <URL>16:00
JontheEchidnathanks again. ;-)\16:00
Riddelltar zcf foo_1.2.3.orig.tar.gz foo/16:00
JontheEchidnabtw, Dolphin is trying to exec kate from /usr/lib/kde4 in Intrepid for me16:05
RiddellJontheEchidna: grep kate ~/.local -r16:07
JontheEchidnaHrm... /home/jonathan/.local/share/applications/kde4-kate.desktop:Exec=/usr/lib/kde4/bin/kate %u16:09
JontheEchidnaLeftovers from Hardy I guess16:10
RiddellI had that too16:10
RiddellI wonder why16:10
JontheEchidnayay, it works16:11
Jucatois it safe to upgrade now? (intrepid)16:15
Jucatoer. update16:15
mornfallyuriy: Could you please pull ept+adept and try building and running? Pretty please... :)16:15
mornfallyuriy: So I have some feedback before building alpha6...16:15
yuriysure16:17
davmor2YAY desktop is back Riddell :)16:18
RiddellJucato: according to davmor2 it is :)16:20
Jucatocool :)16:20
* Jucato updates16:20
davmor2and usplash :)16:20
Riddelldavmor2: no trippyness during boot up?16:20
JontheEchidnaYou mean the extra bars showing up?16:21
Riddellextra bars?16:21
davmor2extra bar + yes16:21
JontheEchidnayeah, usplash was showing extra bars and stuff16:21
davmor2Riddell: are there 3 usplash bar sizes?16:21
Jucatooooh lovely :)16:21
JontheEchidnaI should probably upgrade16:21
Jucatohm.. but then again, I don't even have a usplash when I upgraded to intrepid16:22
JontheEchidnaI didn't either16:22
JontheEchidnabut one day it showed up16:22
JontheEchidnawith extra bars appearing at various stages of bootup16:22
JontheEchidna:P16:22
Jucato:D16:22
JucatoJontheEchidna: I thought you were on an internetless vacation?16:22
JontheEchidnaI came back this morning16:22
Jucatoaaah16:23
JontheEchidnaaround an hour ago16:23
Jucatorefreshed and ready to hack again? :D16:23
Riddelldavmor2: dunno16:23
davmor2hmmmm They seem to be slightly ofset and different lengths and thickness like it's for different resolutions16:24
yuriymornfall: still some warnings16:30
yuriyfor wibble16:30
mornfallyuriy: Yeah, I know... but it's better, is it not? :)16:30
yuriyyup16:30
kishoreJontheEchidna: the files included in the plugins package seems right but i do not see the view available in konq or dolphin16:33
davmor2JontheEchidna: does that describe what you're seeing too?16:33
JontheEchidnadavmor2: for me they are the same length as the central one16:33
JontheEchidnaan empty one appears below the central one16:33
JontheEchidnaand the bottom of one appears above it16:33
davmor2nicer than mine then :)16:34
kishorei am loggeed into svn compiled kde4 but i launched /usr/lib/kde4/bin/konqueror. I also tried setting the kubuntu kde4 env but nothing16:34
kishoreshould i log in to kubuntu kde4?16:34
* JontheEchidna doesn't know how this plugin works to be honest16:35
kishore:) ok ill log into kubuntu kde416:36
kishoreand while i still have your attention, any idea when nm0.7 will get included into intrepid?16:36
JontheEchidnaNope16:37
kishorei am interested in trying the plasma applet16:37
kishorefor network management16:37
kishorebut that only works with 0.716:37
* JontheEchidna is going to lunch16:37
JontheEchidnasorry to run in the middle of a conversation like that....16:38
JontheEchidnabut my family will leave without me16:38
JontheEchidna:P16:38
kishore:)16:38
kishorecarry on16:39
piquadratHi everyone! Is this the right place to ask about problems with Intrepid?16:42
davmor2Riddell:  I've noticed one minor issue though the mouse doesn't work :(16:42
Riddelldavmor2: thefish was having issues with that earlier, said it was an X issue16:43
Riddellpiquadrat: for Kubuntu stuff it is16:44
davmor2and alt+Fx takes you to a garbled screen as well as ctrl-alt-Fx16:44
Riddellpiquadrat: or #ubuntu+1 for non-contributors16:44
Riddelldavmor2: guess usplash isn't completely fixed then16:44
kishoreJontheEchidna, Riddell the konqueror plugin package seems to work fine16:45
davmor2Riddell: this is on the desktop16:45
kishorethe fsview plugin however, is only available to konqueror and not to dolphin16:45
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Jucatokishore: it's a "konq-plugin" for a reason ;)16:48
davmor2Riddell: I think I might just fail this cd somehow :(16:48
JucatoDolphin isn't really plugin-oriented. and I don't think Peter will change that anytime soon16:48
kishoreJucato: i understand that :) but i though konq and dolphin were sharing file views16:49
mornfallyuriy: Anything else?16:49
Jucatokishore: you're right. the "file view" uses dolphinpart. but "fsview" isn't "file view" :)16:49
kishoreJucato: and i understand that konq was always meant to be the more advanced of the two for file management16:50
Jucatokishore: well.. that's true in some ways, but false in others. let's just say that in some ways, Konqueror will be limited by what Dolphin has :)16:51
txwikingerRiddell: could it be that there is some problem with the exit function in KDE4 or QT4?17:00
piquadratI have problems activaiting my bluetooth mouse with kinputwizard. It finds the mouse, but when I select it from the list and click "Setup", it says "Failed to create the input device for [My Mouse Brand And Modell]". It doesn't say what exactly went wrong. Same procedure worked flawless on Hardy17:04
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mornfallWow.17:21
yuriymornfall: tag search is OK, but I still think it's a little confusing. can clear, if not be a button, at least get the clear icon?17:26
Tm_Temma: hi17:26
mornfallyuriy: What does the clear icon look like?17:27
mornfallAh, the <x] one?17:28
mornfallyuriy: Any significant bugs or crashes you have ran into?17:28
mornfallAs for the tag search, dunno. I'm inclined to leave it for alpha6 as it is and maybe try to prod seele for some feedback...17:29
mornfallAnd of course other people as well...17:29
emmaHi there Tm_T :)17:32
yuriymornfall: I agree, prod seele17:34
yuriymornfall: when launching installer as non-root: it takes a while creating the groups and seems to hang for about 5 seconds before I can dismiss the read only message17:37
yuriysearch in installer doesn't work17:37
yuriysorry, it does, but it's not search as you type17:38
yuriythere is no "suite" choice in the installer17:38
mornfallWell, we could have it for beta 1 maybe. (suite)17:39
yuriyaction checkboxes should not be available in read only mode17:39
mornfallyuriy: Well, you can preview what'd happen if you did that. Although it might lure people into thinking they can actually apply changes...17:40
mornfallDunno.17:40
mornfallbeta 1 material17:40
yuriyactually, not sure. but it does seem a little confusing17:40
* yuriy punts to seale17:40
yuriyerr seele17:41
mornfallOh, the icons in installer went away.17:42
mornfallNow that's a regression.17:42
yuriyoh I thought that was because I didn't have it installed17:43
mornfallI mean, the application icons.17:43
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mornfallI have noted down the suite combobox. The unsupported/proprietary bits won't get back though, -ENOTIME. It can be hacked in later up for Kubuntu I guess.17:44
yuriyyup. integrated software properties will need to be as well17:45
yuriynot sure how feasible it would be to use libpythonize to stick it right in there17:46
mornfallThrough embedding? That's gonna be a little painful...17:46
yuriyworst case, a button to launch it17:46
mornfallI'll actually have to cut down feature list for 3.1 to something more malleable... Hmh.17:47
mornfallI'm wondering whom to recruit to do a hardy backport... Hmh.17:51
mornfallRiddell: Btw, icons show up OK in the intrepid version of manager? They are in wrong location on Debian it seems... for whatever reason.17:52
Riddellmornfall: in 3.0~alpha5+ubuntu1 I have icons down the side17:55
Riddellno icon next to packages17:56
mornfallRiddell: Not even question-mark ones?18:00
Riddellmornfall: right, I get question mark ones18:01
mornfallRiddell: Ah, same problem as on Debian.18:01
mornfallAnyone know what's the right CMAKE incantation to install into share/apps/<app>?18:02
Riddellmornfall: in intrepid there's now /usr/share/cdbs/1/class/kde4.mk18:02
mornfallHm, but not on Debian. Blah.18:04
mornfallI wish they'd unify one day. Having to package differently on every distro (and distro version) is teh pain.18:04
mornfallWait, maybe.18:05
mornfallHmm.18:05
Riddellmornfall: well Debian's debian/cdbs directory should work fine in Kubuntu too18:07
Riddellwith   include debian/cdbs/kde.mk18:07
mornfallHm, I've been using cmake class.18:07
mornfallAnd it sort of worked, until the prefix changed to /usr/share/kde4/...18:07
mornfallIs that the same on intrepid? I could just hardcode that, really.18:08
Riddellyes it is18:08
mornfallAnd Hardy KDE 4?18:08
Riddellis entirely different since it's all in /usr/lib/kde418:08
mornfallAh.18:09
Riddellneeds its own debian/cdbs/ directory18:09
mornfallOkey, so I need volunteers to backport and test... Hmh.18:09
mornfallNoone's seen Arby recently? : - )18:09
mornfallRiddell: Can I have a link for the cdbs dir? I still have alpha5 hardy tree around, so I can try to build it at least.18:12
mornfallWe'll see if anyone can test it.18:12
Riddellmornfall: the hardy one?18:13
mornfallYes.18:13
mornfallalpha2 I meant...18:13
mornfallBut the cdbs subdir might be stale.18:13
mornfallHm, I guess I also need apt-xapian-index to be backported. Duh.18:14
Riddellmornfall: http://muse.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/cdbs/18:14
mornfallThanks.18:14
mornfallyuriy: Was it you who noticed that startup-close crash in Adept?18:25
yuriydon't remember18:26
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mornfallWow, what a lengthy changelog.18:30
mornfallyuriy: I keep the installer startup delay unfixed for now, it's too hard for a relatively obscure bug. Any other obviously low-hanging fruit for alpha 6?18:31
yuriynothing else I noticed18:33
yuriybut I'm working on something else so I haven't tested that thoroughly18:33
mornfallWell, it's an alpha, not a final. :)18:39
mornfallI just prefer to have at least some reality check before doing all the release dancing.18:40
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mornfallUhm. i386 autobuilder is quite behind...18:57
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JontheEchidnaok19:42
JontheEchidnaso lancelot wants "taskmanager.h" to compile19:42
JontheEchidnaI can't find it in any existing packages19:43
JontheEchidnaoh, kdebase19:44
JontheEchidna(-dev)19:46
JontheEchidnawut19:47
JontheEchidnastill failing19:47
mornfallHooray home. Everything uploaded, hopefully things manage to build somehow.19:49
mornfallBe back in 40.19:49
JontheEchidnaMaybe our packages don't ship it since presumably nothing uses it...19:55
* JontheEchidna debuilds kdebase19:55
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mornfallOh dang.20:22
mornfallEstimated build start in 3 hours.20:22
mornfallAnyone on amd64 intrepid here?20:25
mornfallAnd, amd64 hardy would be great too.20:26
mornfall(Considering i386 has an hour lag...)20:26
mornfall+of20:26
yuriyI have amd64 hardy20:33
DRebellionmornfall, is that the ppa servers =/20:36
DRebellion?20:36
mornfallYes, PPA.20:37
mornfallyuriy: Nevermind for now, the build failed anyway for some wicked reason.20:37
mornfallOh. Oh oh.20:42
mornfallOld Qt in Hardy.20:42
mornfallDang it.20:42
JontheEchidnabackports and the kubuntu members kde4 ppa have 4.4.020:43
JontheEchidnaif you had your ppa dep against kubuntu-members-kde4 you could solve that issue ;-)20:44
mornfallHmh.20:44
mornfallInteresting.20:44
mornfallJontheEchidna: But I can't add per-release dependencies.20:44
mornfallAnd I don't want to add them for intrepid, do I?20:45
JontheEchidnaI mean have your ppa itself depend against the kubuntu-members-kde4 ppa20:45
JontheEchidnanot the adept package20:45
mornfallIndeed. But the PPA is for both hardy and intrepid.20:45
JontheEchidnaoh, I understand20:46
JontheEchidnahrm...20:46
yuriybut if the packages in kubuntu-members-kde4 are for hardy, they wouldn't get in the way, would they?20:46
JontheEchidnaoh yeah, nothing's in there for Intrepid20:46
JontheEchidnaand probably won't be untill 4.2 alphas or betas are released20:47
mornfallHmm.20:50
mornfallLet's try that way then.20:52
mornfallJontheEchidna: The KDE 4.1 in kubuntu-members-kde4 is packaged the "hardy" way, right?20:56
Riddellyes20:56
mornfallGood.20:56
mornfallyuriy: Can you please try installing alpha 6 on your amd64 hardy?21:06
mornfallyuriy: deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/mornfall/ubuntu hardy main (+ the kubuntu-members-kde4 one)21:06
vorianhowdy21:07
mornfallvorian: Funkily.21:07
emunkkiRiddell, ping21:07
vorianfunkily eh?21:07
mornfallArby: Poke?21:08
Arbymornfall: hello21:09
mornfallArby: Hi. You have Hardy, right?21:09
Arbyyes21:09
mornfallAmd64 or i386?21:09
Arbyi38621:09
|gunni|mornfall: You want to test Adept (KDE4) on hardy?21:09
mornfall|gunni|: Yes.21:09
vorianDRebellion: when you have an updated package on revy, please ping me :)21:09
mornfalli386 build is still pending... I'll poke you when it builds.21:09
|gunni|I can test it here (i386) also21:09
|gunni|kk21:09
Arbyok21:10
DRebellionvorian, sure21:10
Arbymornfall: eta?21:10
mornfallArby: PPA says 2 hours, but it might be anything between 10 minutes and 3 hours I guess. :|21:10
DRebellionvorian, just waiting for upstream to commit to trunk21:10
|gunni|Hopefully less than 2 hours, in 2 hours its getting bedtime here21:10
Arbyok21:10
vorianDRebellion: coolio21:11
mornfallHm. Dbus went all wonky. Brb.21:13
mornfall|gunni|: Well, can't do anything about it, unfortunately. In the worst case, you test tomorrow. :)21:16
|gunni|No Problem for me, but it gets later for you with test results ..21:20
mornfallIndeed.21:29
mornfallLet's blame Baltar. : - ]21:29
JontheEchidnavorian: new upstream of plasmoid-quickaccess \o/21:29
vorianyaya21:29
voriany21:30
vorianJontheEchidna: fix the flicker package21:30
vorian:P21:30
vorianfliker21:30
JontheEchidnaoh right, lol21:30
vorianflika21:30
vorian:)21:30
JontheEchidnakonq ain't starting :(21:31
JontheEchidnaor else I'd be able to get you a bug number for quickaccess21:31
vorian:(21:31
JontheEchidnaoh, there it goes21:31
JontheEchidnalol wut21:31
vorianare you using intrepid?21:31
JontheEchidnayes21:32
JontheEchidnaError: Cannot Initiate the about Protocol21:32
JontheEchidna(about:blank)21:32
voriankonq is fine for me21:32
JontheEchidnathings were fine before the latest update21:32
JontheEchidnamaybe I need to restart KDE21:32
vorianyes, please do :)21:32
vorian(don't you have bugmail though?)21:32
JontheEchidnaaah21:33
JontheEchidnabug 25499821:33
ubottuLaunchpad bug 254998 in plasmoid-quickaccess "New upstream release (plasmoid-quickaccess 0.7.1)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/25499821:33
JontheEchidnagood thinking21:33
* vorian looks21:33
Nightroseoh JontheEchidna - how is my bribery going? ;-)21:34
JontheEchidnaNightrose: I need to get back to it :P21:34
JontheEchidnaStill working it's way through revu21:34
Nightrose;-) ok21:35
vorianroister kenton stutter tootle ballyhoo21:35
voriani find the new pbuilder annoying etc...21:35
* mornfall has dropped pbuilder in favour of schroot+sbuild.21:39
vorianI'be been pondering sbuild21:39
mornfallArby: ping21:43
mornfall|gunni|: ping21:43
Arbymornfall pong21:44
mornfallArby: hardy build has finished21:44
Arbygreat, I'll install it then21:44
Arbyanything you particularly want checked?21:44
mornfallArby: First of all, if it installs and runs. :)21:45
|gunni|mornfall: I will try. I just have to update? (Your repo should be in my list)21:46
mornfall|gunni|: Try.21:46
mornfall|gunni|: If it complains, you probably need to add: deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-members-kde4/ubuntu hardy main21:46
|gunni|Already have that21:46
mornfallGreat.21:46
|gunni|running kde4.1 already21:47
mornfallYeah, I'm just being cautious. :)21:47
|gunni|medibuntu repos slow my update ... but should be only minutes :)21:48
DRebellionvorian, does it matter if the Build-Depends field in debian/control is >80 chars?21:49
|gunni|mornfall: even dist-upgrade is holding back:   adept apt-xapian-index21:49
vorianDRebellion: yes, please :)21:49
DRebellionvorian, ok21:49
mornfall|gunni|: What says when you say apt-get install adept?21:49
DRebellionvorian, i escape it like this, right?:21:49
DRebellionBuild-Depends: debhelper (>= 5), libqt4-dev, libxext-dev, docbook, docbook2x,21:49
DRebellion libqscintilla2-dev21:49
|gunni|Mornfall:  adept: Hängt ab: apt-xapian-index (>= 0.14) aber 0.6 soll installiert werden21:49
mornfall|gunni|: And adding apt-xapian-index?21:50
Arbymornfall: errm http://paste.ubuntu.com/34532/21:50
mornfallThere must be some other package holding them back.21:50
|gunni|apt-xapian-index: Hängt ab: python-apt (>= 0.7.6) aber 0.7.4ubuntu7.3 soll installiert werden21:50
mornfallArby: That's not that one.21:50
Arbyoh, ok21:51
mornfall|gunni|: Oh. python-apt.21:51
mornfallArby: You need to install it first. ;)21:51
mornfallArby: (Which seems to not work due to python-apt being old...)21:51
vorianDRebellion: yep, just one space21:51
mornfall|gunni|: It's not in backports?21:51
Arbymornfall: is this what you were referring to21:52
ArbyThe following packages have unmet dependencies:21:52
Arby  adept: Depends: apt-xapian-index (>= 0.14) but it is not going to be installed21:52
ArbyE: Broken packages21:52
mornfallArby: Yes, see above.21:53
|gunni|mornfall: No, bakcports are enabled, so seems to be not in there21:53
mornfallI'm uploading it to my PPA, let's see.21:54
|gunni|Hope it has no more dependencies21:55
mornfall|gunni|: You know how to debuild packages right? Can you grab http://launchpadlibrarian.net/16570614/python-apt_0.7.7.1+hardy1.tar.gz and http://launchpadlibrarian.net/16570615/python-apt_0.7.7.1+hardy1.dsc and try it?21:55
|gunni|mornfall: I once debuild ... so maybe i get it done a second time :)21:56
mornfallIt'll be a while till PPA picks it up I guess.21:57
mornfallArby: If you like, you can try too.21:57
Arbyalready am :)21:57
mornfallGreat. :)21:57
|gunni|mornfall: can you short explain how to build, otherwise i have to search for the tutorial again. unpack the tar, change to dir, and then debuild ...?21:58
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Arby|gunni|: download .tar.gz and .dsc21:59
Arbydpkg-source -x foo.dsc21:59
Arbycd to directory21:59
Arbydebuild22:00
mornfall:)22:00
mornfallIndeed.22:00
|gunni|Arby: thx22:00
Arbywhich fails on libapt-pkg-dev22:01
Arbyhmm22:01
|gunni|Yes22:01
|gunni|0.7.9ubuntu17 is in repos and needs >0.7.1022:02
mornfallBleh.22:02
Arbybeat me to it22:02
mornfallWhich is built from apt itself.22:02
mornfallRiddell: Any hints?22:02
Arbybackport the newer dependencies?22:03
|gunni|mornfall: Do you need this dependencies, or can you adjust them to lower versions?22:03
mornfall|gunni|: Well, you can try and you'll see. But it might fail.22:03
mornfall(Why is everything that is released so ancient already? Drat.)22:05
mornfall|gunni|, Arby, you should probably try getting apt-xapian-index source and changing its python-apt dependency and see if it still works. That'd be the easiest way for me to make that supportable.22:07
|gunni|If you can explain me which file to change for that dependencies i can try22:09
mornfallWhen you get apt-xapian-source, change debian/control22:10
mornfallThe line that reads Depends:22:10
mornfallChange the (>= 0.7.6) next to python-apt to read (>= 0.7.4)22:11
mornfalldebuild22:11
mornfallapt-get install python-apt22:11
mornfalldpkg -i apt-xapian-index22:11
mornfall(I meant apt-xapian-index source... I'm getting a little sleepy.)22:11
Arbymornfall: a little strange, I apt-get source apt-xapian-index22:12
Arbyand debian control has http://paste.ubuntu.com/34542/22:12
Arbythis is apt-xapian-source-0.6 btw22:12
mornfallArby: Ah. You need to get the one from my PPA.22:12
mornfallArby: If youget the +hardy2 one, you shouldn't even need to edit anything.22:13
mornfallhttps://launchpad.net/~mornfall/+archive22:13
Arbymornfall: sorry I have to go, I should be around to test more tomorrow22:15
mornfallOkey...22:15
mornfallSee you, then.22:15
mornfall|gunni|: Actually, if you wait 5 minutes, you should be able to update and have my hardy2 of apt-xapian-index with the loosened dependency.22:17
|gunni|I am trying to build simultaniously22:18
mornfallOkey, great.22:18
|gunni|ok, adept is installing22:21
mornfallWeeh.22:21
mornfallWe'll see if it breaks trying to build the index.22:21
|gunni|Richte adept ein (3.0~alpha6+hardy1) ...22:21
|gunni|It runs (as far as i can see)22:23
mornfall|gunni|: The index update?22:24
|gunni|I have to get familiar with the gui i think22:24
jtechidnaLancelot is pretty cool...22:25
mornfalljtechidna: Re!22:25
mornfall|gunni|: Well, type something in the search box.22:25
=== jtechidna is now known as JontheEchidna
|gunni|That works, fetching lists seem to work, but after that both buttons "upgrade" and "apply changes" are active, after clicking "upgrade" "apply changes" get inactive22:27
mornfallOw.22:27
mornfall|gunni|: Does hitting upgrade show you stuff to install?22:27
JontheEchidnaooh, new adept to test22:27
mornfallMight be you are actually up to date. :)22:27
|gunni|apt-xapian-index is still in the queue, btw22:27
mornfallJontheEchidna: Indeed.22:27
* JontheEchidna updates22:27
mornfall|gunni|: Successfully built -- says PPA.22:28
|gunni|I ll try to update through adept22:28
|gunni|Same behaviour22:29
mornfall|gunni|: And, does it list something to upgrade? Or it says "you haven't asked for any changes" or so?22:31
mornfallBecause I can upgrade just fine here... :)22:31
mornfallI'll try letting it do the upgrade and see if I can reproduce afterwards.22:31
|gunni|You have not asked for any changes22:32
mornfallWell, you can't apply then. So it's a bug that the Apply button is enabled even when there are no changes to apply at the start.22:33
mornfallAnd maybe the upgrade thingy should say something like "there's nothing to upgrade, hooray."22:33
JontheEchidnaoooh, new icons in adept22:33
|gunni|Only function of "upgrade" button is that it deactivates the "apply" button22:33
mornfall|gunni|: Try installing something new then maybe (I use xaos for testing).22:33
mornfallI have 360M of updates to install here, so it'll take a while.22:34
|gunni|I will try to get xapian now in command line22:34
|gunni|mornfall: apt-xapian is still hold back. I will remove the deb, and try again22:35
mornfallAh, that.22:35
mornfallJontheEchidna: Yeah, well, they aren't all that new, they just went missing by accident. ;)22:36
JontheEchidnaheh22:36
|gunni|Hmm, still the dependency problems22:37
|gunni|apt-xapian-index: Hängt ab: python-apt (>= 0.7.6) aber 0.7.4ubuntu7.3 soll installiert werden22:37
mornfall|gunni|: Haven't forgotten to run apt-get update?22:38
|gunni|Did an apt-get clean, and an update22:38
mornfallHmh.22:38
mornfallapt-cache policy apt-xapian-index?22:38
|gunni|http://pastebin.com/m7c1af0d022:39
mornfall|gunni|: https://launchpad.net/~mornfall/+archive says +hardy2 has been published 17 minutes ago :|22:40
mornfall|gunni|: Your APT only sees the +hardy1 though.22:41
vorianJontheEchidna: you see cpuload & memusage plasmoids?22:41
|gunni|Thats my repo: deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/mornfall/ubuntu hardy main22:41
JontheEchidnavorian: yeah, saw them22:41
DRebellionvorian, i am uploading monkeystudio to revu now. This version uses the qscintilla and qt designer packages from the ubuntu archive. I really ahve to go now, so I haven't build tested it yet. It is currently building in my ppa so you can check it there in 10-15 mins to see if it has built. If so, then feel free to review it. ;) Thanks22:42
|gunni|mornfall: Seems to work now22:42
JontheEchidnavorian: Unless you knew somebody who wanted to do them I'd do it after lancelot and flickr are done22:42
mornfall|gunni|: Good. :)22:42
|gunni|Maybe a hole in time and place22:42
mornfallJontheEchidna: So, any feedback? Other than ooh icons. ;)22:42
mornfallAlthough the "ooh icons" bit was cute. ;)22:43
JontheEchidnamornfall: uuuh, yay for not crashing yet during my upgrade of Qt? :P22:43
mornfallHm, my download still has ETA 5 minutes.22:43
JontheEchidnaI noticed that the side pane was greyed out22:43
JontheEchidnaIt might be good to un-grey out the pane you're actually in22:43
JontheEchidnas/pane/icon22:43
JontheEchidnaOh, and maybe give apply/cancel buttons icons. :P22:44
mornfallHm. Could be.22:45
mornfallBut for ungreying, that's a little tricky. Well, I can try hacking the sidebar a little.22:45
JontheEchidnaIt's nothing big, so don't worry too terribly much about it22:45
mornfallI add it as [3.0 could] to my todo. :)22:46
JontheEchidnaAs for icons for the buttons, I think I know enough that I'd be able to send in patches22:46
mornfallThat'd be actually awesome.22:47
|gunni|mornfall: It only runs from konsole ... strange22:47
mornfall|gunni|: Hm. The desktop files might be borked.22:47
JontheEchidnaIf I understand correctly I'd just need to make a KIcon and include it in the button's initialization22:47
mornfall|gunni|: But the manager one should work, I'd hope.22:48
* JontheEchidna will poke around22:48
mornfallJontheEchidna: Honestly, I have no idea. I'd have to check docs myself. :)22:48
JontheEchidnaheh22:48
mornfall(Which I do a lot, so nothing new there.)22:48
|gunni|crash on search22:48
mornfall|gunni|: Icky. Where?22:48
mornfall(I haven't seen one, it might be related to the apt-xapian-index hack, too...)22:49
|gunni|On typing "fire" in the searchbox: http://pastebin.com/m2e7a8ec022:49
mornfall|gunni|: Hm. What happens if you run sudo update-apt-xapian-index in terminal?22:50
|gunni|The strange thing is with my own deb, i could run adept from the menu, and also did not crash22:51
mornfall|gunni|: Hmm hmm.22:51
|gunni|http://pastebin.com/m5877a78a22:52
JontheEchidnaOoh nice22:53
mornfall|gunni|: Drat.22:53
mornfall|gunni|: So it's the python-apt problem.22:53
JontheEchidnaa key for the different icons and the tag system is back22:53
JontheEchidnaoh, that's not just a key22:53
JontheEchidnait's a filtering system22:54
JontheEchidnaniiice22:54
mornfall:-)22:55
JontheEchidnaHmm22:55
JontheEchidnaany way an exact string match could be put at the top of the list?22:56
mornfall|gunni|: Unfortunately, I've got no idea how to fix that without upgrading apt...22:56
mornfall|gunni|: On hardy, that is.22:56
JontheEchidnaWhen I searched for "xboing" lbreakout2 was at the top of the list, with xboing being somewhere in the middle22:56
mornfallJontheEchidna: Hard. The search does a bunch of magic to get good results. Exact matches unfortunately suffer sometimes.22:57
mornfallJontheEchidna: You know the problem from google. ;)22:57
JontheEchidnayeah...22:57
|gunni|mornfall: No problem, i use the terminal then. I never used adept, cause it was so unreliable22:57
mornfall|gunni|: Well, it should be much more reliable now. Although Hardy is a problem here...22:57
|gunni|I just wonder why it worked a few minutes ago22:58
mornfall|gunni|: It probably needs to have apt database up-to-date.22:59
mornfall|gunni|: What happens if you run apt-get update, then update-apt-xapian-index? Does it work then?22:59
|gunni|No23:00
mornfallHm.23:00
JontheEchidnaEverything checks out here. :-)23:00
mornfallDunno. I'll have to give up on the idea of hardy backport, it seems. Well, I'll upload apt from intrepid to my ppa I guess.23:00
|gunni|MAybe its the other way around, if apt is not up-to-date the error occurs23:01
|gunni|Ah wait i can check that23:01
|gunni|No, still crashes23:02
|gunni|n823:12
mornfall|gunni|: I have uploaded apt and python-apt.23:12
mornfall|gunni|: If you feel like it, you could try tomorrow.23:12
mornfall|gunni|: Thanks so far and goodnight.23:12
|gunni|Hmm, when is it ready?23:15
mornfallI wish I knew.23:15
mornfallapt just started building23:15
|gunni|I will try later or tomorrow23:15
JontheEchidnamornfall: Still crashing on exit, but a different crash23:19
mornfallJontheEchidna: Ow?23:19
JontheEchidnaFatal Error: Accessed global static 'KGlobalPrivate *globalData()' after destruction. Defined at /build/buildd/kde4libs-4.1.0/kdecore/kernel/kglobal.cpp:9823:19
JontheEchidnaUnable to start Dr. Konqi23:19
mornfallJontheEchidna: Nothing else, just that?23:19
mornfallHm. I still get double free or corruption. Blah.23:19
JontheEchidnaoh23:19
JontheEchidnanevermind23:19
JontheEchidnathat is the double free or corruption23:19
JontheEchidnaheh23:19
apacheloggerNightrose: get youself a smile and take a look at bug 201732 ;-)23:20
ubottuLaunchpad bug 201732 in kdenetwork-kde4 "[KDE4-Kopete]no IRC mode" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/20173223:20
Nightrose*lol*23:21
Nightroseok23:21
Nightroserofl23:21
Nightrosenice23:21
* apachelogger pokes JontheEchidna with bug 25133123:23
ubottuLaunchpad bug 251331 in kdenetwork-kde4 "kde-zeroconf-kde4 fails to install as it would overwrite files in kdnssd-kde4" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/25133123:23
mornfallJontheEchidna: http://rafb.net/p/LcuQtw91.html -- curious, duh?23:28
JontheEchidnabrb, restarting computer in hopes of fixing audio23:30
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: [00:23:57] -*- apachelogger pokes JontheEchidna with bug 25133123:44
ubottuLaunchpad bug 251331 in kdenetwork-kde4 "[kde4 ppa] kde-zeroconf-kde4 fails to install as it would overwrite files in kdnssd-kde4" [Low,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/25133123:44
JontheEchidnaheh, thanks23:44

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