[00:02] eh [00:02] someone please explain http://aplg.kollide.net/tmp/kde4libs_4.1.0-0ubuntu7_i386.build.gz to me [00:02] note line 25274 and what is happening before [01:19] anyone trying to run intrepid in vmware workstation? [01:26] anyone there? [01:26] yo [01:26] apachelogger: you try running intrepid in vmware? [01:26] * apachelogger doesn't use vmware [01:26] jjesse: did you try it in virtualbox? [01:27] nope i have a license for vmware workstation which i use all the time for work [01:27] i can't click at all in intrepid [01:27] works fine in hardy [01:27] well, some quirk in the current intrepid kernel I would guess [01:27] yeah its frustrating [01:27] or maybe it's because of the ongoing xserver breakage ;-) [01:27] i can't do use the live cd or do an install [01:28] when ever i click on the application launher the configure taskbar widget comes up [01:28] well, I would suggest trying how it behaves in virtualbox [01:29] maybe it works, there which is probably good for use while it's broken for vmware [01:29] why virtual box? [01:29] because IIRC we actually have drivers for vbox included [01:29] is it different then vmware somehow [01:30] it is floss [01:30] ah i c [01:30] typing one handed hokdingg child [01:30] and from my point of view floss + floss > floss + prop ;-) [01:30] running updates on alpha 3 install to see what happens [01:31] jjesse: first child? [01:31] vorian: yes [01:31] aww, that's awesome [01:31] :) [01:31] * vorian has 4 [01:31] wow [01:31] and plays ssh games with the oldest boy [01:31] wife is out grocery shopping [01:32] that would be cool [01:32] it's a good trade off imo :) [01:32] i hate shopping [01:32] + [01:32] * apachelogger loves shopping :P [01:32] you never get everything your are "supposed" to get [01:32] apachelogger: NEVAR! [01:32] I usually get more :P [01:33] * apachelogger is really wondering why kde4libs builds twice [01:33] me 2 [01:33] apachelogger: new --twice option in pbuilder? [01:33] which is why my wife doesnt me by myself [01:33] vorian: maybe [01:34] wtf! [01:34] me too! [01:34] i thought it was supposed to be called! [01:34] I guess something is broken [01:35] the most recent kde4libs build didn't do 2 rounds in the buildds [01:35] that sucks [01:35] jjesse: might want to try pci=noacpi as aboot option in grub. I know this solved it for me in a previous release [01:35] at least it doesn't purge first [01:35] cadoo: thanks will try that [01:36] meh [01:36] lp is the awfullest [01:36] objcopy: debian/kde-nightly-qt-dbg/usr/lib/debug//opt/kde-nightly/lib/libQtDesigner.so.4.4.1: Invalid operation [01:37] at least folderview is working again :) [01:37] <3 [01:38] Oo [01:39] * apachelogger would sell his body for seeing the soyuz source [01:39] these issues are mindwarping [01:39] cadoo: booting with pci=noacpi didn't change a thing [01:40] jjesse: sorry i was thinking of i8042.noloop as boot parameter. try that [01:40] ok will do [01:41] jjesse: did some more reading. to refresh my memory [01:42] yeah? [01:43] jjesse: oh nothing. my reading turned up the 18042.noloop parameter and that sounded familar. take note it was to get the mouse working in feisty and virtual pc but worth a shoot. [01:44] jjesse: i8042.noloop [01:44] oh tried tht as well [01:44] cadoo: http://www.ubuntukungfu.org/blog/2008/07/installing-ubuntu-intrepid-alpha-3-in-vmware/ [01:45] might solve it [01:47] wrong key [01:54] cadoo: that link solved it [03:20] question i have intrepid now working in my virutal machine, now wondering why the desktop pager applet is coming before the applicatin launcher [03:20] would think it should be the other way around [04:01] Anybody have a screenshot of Intrepid / KDE4.1 out of the box that emunkki can use for mockups? [04:02] hmmm [04:04] ryanakca: hold on a sec :) [04:31] seele: Read your blog post. I think proprietary developers are motivated by what sells to management. I think they probably have even less motivation for usability than FOSS deveopers. === kewark is now known as kemark [05:35] ryanakca: http://bp0.blogger.com/_Jn7tUiuzfcA/SJUWiHWJxxI/AAAAAAAAABA/ZAHC6TXLnoY/s1600-h/intrepidDefault2.jpeg not quite what it looks like now, but what it should look like once he's done messing with the settings === kemark is now known as krawek [06:59] hi there [06:59] http://ramonantonio.net/kde-firefox/ [06:59] sounds interesting for kubuntu users using firefox..... I just tested and the result is pretty fine [06:59] except for the fonts, but that's gonna be done with gtk-qt-engines [07:00] Riddell: we could eventually package it, afai can get the licence for it :) [07:40] Tonio_: apachelogger is also working on a KDE 4 theme for Firefox [07:41] oxygen theme I mean [07:42] http://apachelog.blogspot.com/2008/07/light-years-ago-work-on-oxygen-theme.html [07:59] Jucato: interesting :) === _neversfelde is now known as neversfelde [09:11] Riddell: I'm uploading kdesdk, fixing the "kdeinit could not start /usr/bin/kate" issue [09:12] Riddell: that was due to a kde3 patch [10:05] Tonio_: ok [10:18] yuriy: (If you feel like it, you could pull from my repos and try out before alpha6 (I still have some TODO left, too)...) [10:20] Anyone with working adept 2.1, could you check what you have under the "simple" tag list? [10:21] Oh, nevermind, I found source. === _neversfelde is now known as neversfelde [10:37] vorian, what's the status with monkeystudio? [11:36] i know this probably isnt the right place, but this mornings kdelibs update seems to have broken my mouse/keyboard, more details on request (also will keep quiet in future on request!) [11:37] sure it wasn't something else? [11:37] Riddell no im not sure, it could have been as there were some more, sorry to be so vague [11:37] will try to narrow it down [11:42] hmm, did anyone ever write a MIR for libqca2-plugin-ossl ? [11:53] Tonio__: what's happening with kdebluetooth? it's currently due to be demoted to universe [11:54] oh [11:55] mgh [12:27] nixternal: what happened to the new pinentry? [12:33] ScottK: i agree. they're more likely to be in it for the money than for the love of software [13:27] Nightrose: wibble, any idea if amarok 1.4 has fixes for the new libmtp? http://launchpadlibrarian.net/16560442/buildlog_ubuntu-intrepid-i386.amarok_2%3A1.4.9.1-2ubuntu4_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz [13:28] Riddell: afair Gentoo had some patches - you might want to ask jefferai - he investigated I think [13:29] Nightrose: ok, asking [13:40] apachelogger: ping [13:41] any other kubuntu packaging guys in here? [13:45] we all are [13:56] Riddell: there seems to be a bug in the konqueror-plugin-fsview-kde4 and perhaps other konq plugins too [13:56] where it tries to install the man page to /usr instead of /usr/kib/kde4 [13:57] this causes installation failure in hardy when kde3 is also installed [13:57] i am referring to the kde4 ppa repository [13:58] i tried fixing it but i could not figure out how the packaging happens [13:58] so im just reporting here [13:59] looks like a Jonathan Thomas job [14:00] kishore: he's not around, you may want to e-mail echidnaman@gmail.com and point out the issue to him [14:00] Riddell: thats apachelogger right? [14:01] no [14:01] jontheechidna when he's on irc [14:02] ok thanks. will do [14:15] yuriy: thanks [14:31] Could someone test ``Add Network Folder'' in Dolphin on HH for me please? When I click on it, I get ``KDEInit could not launch '/usr/lib/kde4/bin/knetattach'.''. (Dolphin -> Places -> Network -> Add Network Folder) [14:38] also, has anybody had problems dist-upgrading to intrepid in the last few days? [14:49] wow, some insane storms last night [14:50] nixternal: a co-worker of mine was tyring to get out o'hare last night [14:50] was on the tarmac taxing to the runway when they got called back because of a tornado warning [14:51] ya, we had a touchdown here....quite a bit of damage locally [14:51] thank god for generators [14:54] wow crazy [14:55] working from home today :) [14:57] Riddell: Did you get everything fixed yesterday? [14:57] davmor2: yes I think so [14:57] except the systray [14:58] what about folder view? [14:58] works for me [14:58] Riddell: I'll update the iso's and try again then :) [14:58] might point at the wrong folder, I'm not sure [14:59] And that's your definition of fixed then :P [15:06] Riddell: working on packaging the pinentry-qt4 stuff...I made the changes to the package but need to figure out why it FTBFS and will then upload [15:16] Aaah, back. [15:16] morning JontheEchidna [15:16] btw, a fix for that konq plugin should be in the k-u-t ppa [15:16] need testers for Hardy for that one [15:17] JontheEchidna: I'm sure kishore will test it [15:18] I'll email him back with ppa infos === Riddell changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Welcome to the Kubuntu developers channel | https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo [15:20] jjesse: how come IRC doesn't come with weapons of mass destruction? argh! [15:20] dude i totally agree [15:21] bah, I need to fix that typo in plasma-am4rok before I forget again [15:28] Riddell: Do I need to bump the version of plasma-am4rok to -0ubuntu2 since plasmoid-am4rok was never published? [15:28] JontheEchidna: no [15:28] Ok [15:28] I'll file a bug and attach the diff.gz/dsc/orig.tar.gz [15:29] oh, there's no package to file against [15:29] Riddell: should I just email it to you? [15:30] JontheEchidna: ok [15:30] nixternal: how long has flaccid been working on his book? [15:31] forever [15:31] nixternal: awesome he's touting it in the doc channel again [15:32] hmm switching keyboard layout doesn't seem to work [15:33] hmm readded the layout and it works [15:38] Riddell: Amarok 2 reads XDG-dir to find out the directory it scans by default - this seems to be set like this in Kubuntu: XDG_MUSIC_DIR="$HOME/" [15:38] this means Amarok 2 scans the whole home directory on first start [15:38] is there any reason for it not being XDG_MUSIC_DIR="$HOME/Music"? [15:39] (we will of course have to check for this anyway but would be interesting to know why it is set to the users home directory [15:40] Nightrose: that's not what I have [15:40] grep MUSIC /home/jr/.config/user-dirs.dirs [15:40] XDG_MUSIC_DIR="$HOME/Music" [15:40] hmmmm hardy? [15:40] cause both markey and I have it set like above [15:40] guess so [15:40] maybe because of upgrades from previous versions? [15:40] Nightrose: presumably ~/Music exists? [15:41] I created it here some time ago - symlink to my external HDD [15:42] Need sponsor for bug 254998 [15:42] Launchpad bug 254998 in plasmoid-quickaccess "New upstream release (plasmoid-quickaccess 0.7.1)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/254998 [15:44] Nightrose: if I rm ~/.config/user-dirs.dirs and run xdg-user-dirs-update it recreates it fine [15:44] ok thanks Riddell [15:44] very strange [15:44] any idea why it is happening? [15:45] OK it just randomly stops working (the keyboard layout) [15:45] Nightrose: nope, what happens if you rm ~/.config/user-dirs.dirs and run xdg-user-dirs-update? [15:45] let me try [15:46] Riddell: then it is set to HOME/Music [15:49] Oh cool [15:49] KDE svn has a 4.1 brach for Laneclot [15:49] *Lancelot [15:52] ok so my arrow keys stop working. when I unplug and plug the keyboard back in, they work, but keyboard layout switching does not. [15:52] how would I make a snapshot tarball from an svn source tree? [15:52] if I go to the configuration dialog for that and click apply, that works, bu arrow keys don't [15:53] hmm maybe I forgot to restart X after updating.. [16:00] JontheEchidna: uploaded plasmoid-am4rok [16:00] Riddell: thanks [16:00] JontheEchidna: svn export [16:00] thanks again. ;-)\ [16:00] tar zcf foo_1.2.3.orig.tar.gz foo/ [16:05] btw, Dolphin is trying to exec kate from /usr/lib/kde4 in Intrepid for me [16:07] JontheEchidna: grep kate ~/.local -r [16:09] Hrm... /home/jonathan/.local/share/applications/kde4-kate.desktop:Exec=/usr/lib/kde4/bin/kate %u [16:10] Leftovers from Hardy I guess [16:10] I had that too [16:10] I wonder why [16:11] yay, it works [16:15] is it safe to upgrade now? (intrepid) [16:15] er. update [16:15] yuriy: Could you please pull ept+adept and try building and running? Pretty please... :) [16:15] yuriy: So I have some feedback before building alpha6... [16:17] sure [16:18] YAY desktop is back Riddell :) [16:20] Jucato: according to davmor2 it is :) [16:20] cool :) [16:20] * Jucato updates [16:20] and usplash :) [16:20] davmor2: no trippyness during boot up? [16:21] You mean the extra bars showing up? [16:21] extra bars? [16:21] extra bar + yes [16:21] yeah, usplash was showing extra bars and stuff [16:21] Riddell: are there 3 usplash bar sizes? [16:21] oooh lovely :) [16:21] I should probably upgrade [16:22] hm.. but then again, I don't even have a usplash when I upgraded to intrepid [16:22] I didn't either [16:22] but one day it showed up [16:22] with extra bars appearing at various stages of bootup [16:22] :P [16:22] :D [16:22] JontheEchidna: I thought you were on an internetless vacation? [16:22] I came back this morning [16:23] aaah [16:23] around an hour ago [16:23] refreshed and ready to hack again? :D [16:23] davmor2: dunno [16:24] hmmmm They seem to be slightly ofset and different lengths and thickness like it's for different resolutions [16:30] mornfall: still some warnings [16:30] for wibble [16:30] yuriy: Yeah, I know... but it's better, is it not? :) [16:30] yup [16:33] JontheEchidna: the files included in the plugins package seems right but i do not see the view available in konq or dolphin [16:33] JontheEchidna: does that describe what you're seeing too? [16:33] davmor2: for me they are the same length as the central one [16:33] an empty one appears below the central one [16:33] and the bottom of one appears above it [16:34] nicer than mine then :) [16:34] i am loggeed into svn compiled kde4 but i launched /usr/lib/kde4/bin/konqueror. I also tried setting the kubuntu kde4 env but nothing [16:34] should i log in to kubuntu kde4? [16:35] * JontheEchidna doesn't know how this plugin works to be honest [16:36] :) ok ill log into kubuntu kde4 [16:36] and while i still have your attention, any idea when nm0.7 will get included into intrepid? [16:37] Nope [16:37] i am interested in trying the plasma applet [16:37] for network management [16:37] but that only works with 0.7 [16:37] * JontheEchidna is going to lunch [16:38] sorry to run in the middle of a conversation like that.... [16:38] but my family will leave without me [16:38] :P [16:38] :) [16:39] carry on [16:42] Hi everyone! Is this the right place to ask about problems with Intrepid? [16:42] Riddell: I've noticed one minor issue though the mouse doesn't work :( [16:43] davmor2: thefish was having issues with that earlier, said it was an X issue [16:44] piquadrat: for Kubuntu stuff it is [16:44] and alt+Fx takes you to a garbled screen as well as ctrl-alt-Fx [16:44] piquadrat: or #ubuntu+1 for non-contributors [16:44] davmor2: guess usplash isn't completely fixed then [16:45] JontheEchidna, Riddell the konqueror plugin package seems to work fine [16:45] Riddell: this is on the desktop [16:45] the fsview plugin however, is only available to konqueror and not to dolphin === mcas_away is now known as mcas [16:48] kishore: it's a "konq-plugin" for a reason ;) [16:48] Riddell: I think I might just fail this cd somehow :( [16:48] Dolphin isn't really plugin-oriented. and I don't think Peter will change that anytime soon [16:49] Jucato: i understand that :) but i though konq and dolphin were sharing file views [16:49] yuriy: Anything else? [16:49] kishore: you're right. the "file view" uses dolphinpart. but "fsview" isn't "file view" :) [16:50] Jucato: and i understand that konq was always meant to be the more advanced of the two for file management [16:51] kishore: well.. that's true in some ways, but false in others. let's just say that in some ways, Konqueror will be limited by what Dolphin has :) [17:00] Riddell: could it be that there is some problem with the exit function in KDE4 or QT4? [17:04] I have problems activaiting my bluetooth mouse with kinputwizard. It finds the mouse, but when I select it from the list and click "Setup", it says "Failed to create the input device for [My Mouse Brand And Modell]". It doesn't say what exactly went wrong. Same procedure worked flawless on Hardy === krawek is now known as Guest72632 === nixternal_ is now known as nixternal === Guest72632 is now known as kemark [17:21] Wow. [17:26] mornfall: tag search is OK, but I still think it's a little confusing. can clear, if not be a button, at least get the clear icon? [17:26] emma: hi [17:27] yuriy: What does the clear icon look like? [17:28] Ah, the yuriy: Any significant bugs or crashes you have ran into? [17:29] As for the tag search, dunno. I'm inclined to leave it for alpha6 as it is and maybe try to prod seele for some feedback... [17:29] And of course other people as well... [17:32] Hi there Tm_T :) [17:34] mornfall: I agree, prod seele [17:37] mornfall: when launching installer as non-root: it takes a while creating the groups and seems to hang for about 5 seconds before I can dismiss the read only message [17:37] search in installer doesn't work [17:38] sorry, it does, but it's not search as you type [17:38] there is no "suite" choice in the installer [17:39] Well, we could have it for beta 1 maybe. (suite) [17:39] action checkboxes should not be available in read only mode [17:40] yuriy: Well, you can preview what'd happen if you did that. Although it might lure people into thinking they can actually apply changes... [17:40] Dunno. [17:40] beta 1 material [17:40] actually, not sure. but it does seem a little confusing [17:40] * yuriy punts to seale [17:41] err seele [17:42] Oh, the icons in installer went away. [17:42] Now that's a regression. [17:43] oh I thought that was because I didn't have it installed [17:43] I mean, the application icons. === kishore_ is now known as kishore [17:44] I have noted down the suite combobox. The unsupported/proprietary bits won't get back though, -ENOTIME. It can be hacked in later up for Kubuntu I guess. [17:45] yup. integrated software properties will need to be as well [17:46] not sure how feasible it would be to use libpythonize to stick it right in there [17:46] Through embedding? That's gonna be a little painful... [17:46] worst case, a button to launch it [17:47] I'll actually have to cut down feature list for 3.1 to something more malleable... Hmh. [17:51] I'm wondering whom to recruit to do a hardy backport... Hmh. [17:52] Riddell: Btw, icons show up OK in the intrepid version of manager? They are in wrong location on Debian it seems... for whatever reason. [17:55] mornfall: in 3.0~alpha5+ubuntu1 I have icons down the side [17:56] no icon next to packages [18:00] Riddell: Not even question-mark ones? [18:01] mornfall: right, I get question mark ones [18:01] Riddell: Ah, same problem as on Debian. [18:02] Anyone know what's the right CMAKE incantation to install into share/apps/? [18:02] mornfall: in intrepid there's now /usr/share/cdbs/1/class/kde4.mk [18:04] Hm, but not on Debian. Blah. [18:04] I wish they'd unify one day. Having to package differently on every distro (and distro version) is teh pain. [18:05] Wait, maybe. [18:05] Hmm. [18:07] mornfall: well Debian's debian/cdbs directory should work fine in Kubuntu too [18:07] with include debian/cdbs/kde.mk [18:07] Hm, I've been using cmake class. [18:07] And it sort of worked, until the prefix changed to /usr/share/kde4/... [18:08] Is that the same on intrepid? I could just hardcode that, really. [18:08] yes it is [18:08] And Hardy KDE 4? [18:08] is entirely different since it's all in /usr/lib/kde4 [18:09] Ah. [18:09] needs its own debian/cdbs/ directory [18:09] Okey, so I need volunteers to backport and test... Hmh. [18:09] Noone's seen Arby recently? : - ) [18:12] Riddell: Can I have a link for the cdbs dir? I still have alpha5 hardy tree around, so I can try to build it at least. [18:12] We'll see if anyone can test it. [18:13] mornfall: the hardy one? [18:13] Yes. [18:13] alpha2 I meant... [18:13] But the cdbs subdir might be stale. [18:14] Hm, I guess I also need apt-xapian-index to be backported. Duh. [18:14] mornfall: http://muse.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/cdbs/ [18:14] Thanks. [18:25] yuriy: Was it you who noticed that startup-close crash in Adept? [18:26] don't remember === jjesse_ is now known as jjesse [18:30] Wow, what a lengthy changelog. [18:31] yuriy: I keep the installer startup delay unfixed for now, it's too hard for a relatively obscure bug. Any other obviously low-hanging fruit for alpha 6? [18:33] nothing else I noticed [18:33] but I'm working on something else so I haven't tested that thoroughly [18:39] Well, it's an alpha, not a final. :) [18:40] I just prefer to have at least some reality check before doing all the release dancing. === blizzzek is now known as blizzz [18:57] Uhm. i386 autobuilder is quite behind... === emu_ is now known as emu [19:42] ok [19:42] so lancelot wants "taskmanager.h" to compile [19:43] I can't find it in any existing packages [19:44] oh, kdebase [19:46] (-dev) [19:47] wut [19:47] still failing [19:49] Hooray home. Everything uploaded, hopefully things manage to build somehow. [19:49] Be back in 40. [19:55] Maybe our packages don't ship it since presumably nothing uses it... [19:55] * JontheEchidna debuilds kdebase === jjesse_ is now known as jjesse [20:22] Oh dang. [20:22] Estimated build start in 3 hours. [20:25] Anyone on amd64 intrepid here? [20:26] And, amd64 hardy would be great too. [20:26] (Considering i386 has an hour lag...) [20:26] +of [20:33] I have amd64 hardy [20:36] mornfall, is that the ppa servers =/ [20:36] ? [20:37] Yes, PPA. [20:37] yuriy: Nevermind for now, the build failed anyway for some wicked reason. [20:42] Oh. Oh oh. [20:42] Old Qt in Hardy. [20:42] Dang it. [20:43] backports and the kubuntu members kde4 ppa have 4.4.0 [20:44] if you had your ppa dep against kubuntu-members-kde4 you could solve that issue ;-) [20:44] Hmh. [20:44] Interesting. [20:44] JontheEchidna: But I can't add per-release dependencies. [20:45] And I don't want to add them for intrepid, do I? [20:45] I mean have your ppa itself depend against the kubuntu-members-kde4 ppa [20:45] not the adept package [20:45] Indeed. But the PPA is for both hardy and intrepid. [20:46] oh, I understand [20:46] hrm... [20:46] but if the packages in kubuntu-members-kde4 are for hardy, they wouldn't get in the way, would they? [20:46] oh yeah, nothing's in there for Intrepid [20:47] and probably won't be untill 4.2 alphas or betas are released [20:50] Hmm. [20:52] Let's try that way then. [20:56] JontheEchidna: The KDE 4.1 in kubuntu-members-kde4 is packaged the "hardy" way, right? [20:56] yes [20:56] Good. [21:06] yuriy: Can you please try installing alpha 6 on your amd64 hardy? [21:06] yuriy: deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/mornfall/ubuntu hardy main (+ the kubuntu-members-kde4 one) [21:07] howdy [21:07]