[00:02] <apachelogger> eh
[00:02] <apachelogger> someone please explain http://aplg.kollide.net/tmp/kde4libs_4.1.0-0ubuntu7_i386.build.gz to me
[00:02] <apachelogger> note line 25274 and what is happening before
[01:19] <jjesse> anyone trying to run intrepid in vmware workstation?
[01:26] <jjesse> anyone there?
[01:26] <apachelogger> yo
[01:26] <jjesse> apachelogger: you try running intrepid in vmware?
[01:26]  * apachelogger doesn't use vmware
[01:26] <apachelogger> jjesse: did you try it in virtualbox?
[01:27] <jjesse> nope i have a license for vmware workstation which i use all the time for work
[01:27] <jjesse> i can't click at all in intrepid
[01:27] <jjesse> works fine in hardy
[01:27] <apachelogger> well, some quirk in the current intrepid kernel I would guess
[01:27] <jjesse> yeah its frustrating
[01:27] <apachelogger> or maybe it's because of the ongoing xserver breakage ;-)
[01:27] <jjesse> i can't do use the live cd or do an install
[01:28] <jjesse> when ever i click on the application launher  the configure taskbar widget comes up
[01:28] <apachelogger> well, I would suggest trying how it behaves in virtualbox
[01:29] <apachelogger> maybe it works, there which is probably good for use while it's broken for vmware
[01:29] <jjesse> why virtual box?
[01:29] <apachelogger> because IIRC we actually have drivers for vbox included
[01:29] <jjesse> is it different then vmware somehow
[01:30] <apachelogger> it is floss
[01:30] <jjesse> ah i c
[01:30] <jjesse> typing one handed hokdingg child
[01:30] <apachelogger> and from my point of view floss + floss > floss + prop ;-)
[01:30] <jjesse> running updates on alpha 3 install to see what happens
[01:31] <vorian> jjesse: first child?
[01:31] <jjesse> vorian: yes
[01:31] <vorian> aww, that's awesome
[01:31] <vorian> :)
[01:31]  * vorian has 4
[01:31] <jjesse> wow
[01:31] <vorian> and plays ssh games with the oldest boy
[01:31] <jjesse> wife is out grocery shopping
[01:32] <jjesse> that would be cool
[01:32] <vorian> it's a good trade off imo :)
[01:32] <vorian> i hate shopping
[01:32] <vorian> +
[01:32]  * apachelogger loves shopping :P
[01:32] <vorian> you never get everything your are "supposed" to get
[01:32] <vorian> apachelogger: NEVAR!
[01:32] <apachelogger> I usually get more :P
[01:33]  * apachelogger is really wondering why kde4libs builds twice
[01:33] <jjesse> me 2
[01:33] <vorian> apachelogger: new --twice option in pbuilder?
[01:33] <jjesse> which is why my wife doesnt me by myself
[01:33] <apachelogger> vorian: maybe
[01:34] <vorian> wtf!
[01:34] <vorian> me too!
[01:34] <vorian> i thought it was supposed to be called!
[01:34] <apachelogger> I guess something is broken
[01:35] <apachelogger> the most recent kde4libs build didn't do 2 rounds in the buildds
[01:35] <vorian> that sucks
[01:35] <cadoo> jjesse: might want to try pci=noacpi as aboot option in grub. I know this solved it for me in a previous release
[01:35] <vorian> at least it doesn't purge first
[01:35] <jjesse> cadoo: thanks will try that
[01:36] <apachelogger> meh
[01:36] <apachelogger> lp is the awfullest
[01:36] <apachelogger> objcopy: debian/kde-nightly-qt-dbg/usr/lib/debug//opt/kde-nightly/lib/libQtDesigner.so.4.4.1: Invalid operation
[01:37] <vorian> at least folderview is working again :)
[01:37] <vorian> <3
[01:38] <apachelogger> Oo
[01:39]  * apachelogger would sell his body for seeing the soyuz source
[01:39] <apachelogger> these issues are mindwarping
[01:39] <jjesse> cadoo: booting with pci=noacpi didn't change a thing
[01:40] <cadoo> jjesse: sorry i was thinking of i8042.noloop as boot parameter. try that
[01:40] <jjesse> ok will do
[01:41] <cadoo> jjesse: did some more reading. to refresh my memory
[01:42] <jjesse> yeah?
[01:43] <cadoo> jjesse: oh nothing. my reading turned up the 18042.noloop parameter and that sounded familar. take note it was to get the mouse working in feisty and virtual pc but worth a shoot.
[01:44] <cadoo> jjesse: i8042.noloop
[01:44] <jjesse> oh tried tht as well
[01:44] <jjesse> cadoo: http://www.ubuntukungfu.org/blog/2008/07/installing-ubuntu-intrepid-alpha-3-in-vmware/
[01:45] <jjesse> might solve it
[01:47] <jjesse> wrong key
[01:54] <jjesse> cadoo: that link solved it
[03:20] <jjesse> question i have intrepid now working in my virutal machine, now wondering why the desktop pager applet is coming before the applicatin launcher
[03:20] <jjesse> would think it should be the other way around
[04:01] <ryanakca> Anybody have a screenshot of Intrepid / KDE4.1 out of the box that emunkki can use for mockups?
[04:02] <vorian> hmmm
[04:04] <vorian> ryanakca: hold on a sec :)
[04:31] <ScottK> seele: Read your blog post.  I think proprietary developers are motivated by what sells to management.  I think they probably have even less motivation for usability than FOSS deveopers.
[05:35] <yuriy> ryanakca: http://bp0.blogger.com/_Jn7tUiuzfcA/SJUWiHWJxxI/AAAAAAAAABA/ZAHC6TXLnoY/s1600-h/intrepidDefault2.jpeg not quite what it looks like now, but what it should look like once he's done messing with the settings
[06:59] <Tonio_> hi there
[06:59] <Tonio_> http://ramonantonio.net/kde-firefox/
[06:59] <Tonio_> sounds interesting for kubuntu users using firefox..... I just tested and the result is pretty fine
[06:59] <Tonio_> except for the fonts, but that's gonna be done with gtk-qt-engines
[07:00] <Tonio_> Riddell: we could eventually package it, afai can get the licence for it :)
[07:40] <Jucato> Tonio_: apachelogger is also working on a KDE 4 theme for Firefox
[07:41] <Jucato> oxygen theme I mean
[07:42] <Jucato> http://apachelog.blogspot.com/2008/07/light-years-ago-work-on-oxygen-theme.html
[07:59] <Tonio_> Jucato: interesting :)
[09:11] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'm uploading kdesdk, fixing the "kdeinit could not start /usr/bin/kate" issue
[09:12] <Tonio_> Riddell: that was due to a kde3 patch
[10:05] <Riddell> Tonio_: ok
[10:18] <mornfall> yuriy: (If you feel like it, you could pull from my repos and try out before alpha6 (I still have some TODO left, too)...)
[10:20] <mornfall> Anyone with working adept 2.1, could you check what you have under the "simple" tag list?
[10:21] <mornfall> Oh, nevermind, I found source.
[10:37] <DRebellion> vorian, what's the status with monkeystudio?
[11:36] <thefish> i know this probably isnt the right place, but this mornings kdelibs update seems to have broken my mouse/keyboard, more details on request (also will keep quiet in future on request!)
[11:37] <Riddell> sure it wasn't something else?
[11:37] <thefish> Riddell no im not sure, it could have been as there were some more, sorry to be so vague
[11:37] <thefish> will try to narrow it down
[11:42] <Riddell> hmm, did anyone ever write a MIR for libqca2-plugin-ossl ?
[11:53] <Riddell> Tonio__: what's happening with kdebluetooth?  it's currently due to be demoted to universe
[11:54] <Riddell> oh
[11:55] <Tm_T> mgh
[12:27] <Riddell> nixternal: what happened to the new pinentry?
[12:33] <seele> ScottK: i agree.  they're more likely to be in it for the money than for the love of software
[13:27] <Riddell> Nightrose: wibble, any idea if amarok 1.4 has fixes for the new libmtp?  http://launchpadlibrarian.net/16560442/buildlog_ubuntu-intrepid-i386.amarok_2%3A1.4.9.1-2ubuntu4_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[13:28] <Nightrose> Riddell: afair Gentoo had some patches - you might want to ask jefferai - he investigated I think
[13:29] <Riddell> Nightrose: ok, asking
[13:40] <kishore> apachelogger: ping
[13:41] <kishore> any other kubuntu packaging guys in here?
[13:45] <Riddell> we all are
[13:56] <kishore> Riddell: there seems to  be a bug in the konqueror-plugin-fsview-kde4 and perhaps other konq plugins too
[13:56] <kishore> where it tries to install the man page to /usr instead of /usr/kib/kde4
[13:57] <kishore> this causes installation failure in hardy when kde3 is also installed
[13:57] <kishore> i am referring to the kde4 ppa repository
[13:58] <kishore> i tried fixing it but i could not figure out how the packaging happens
[13:58] <kishore> so im just reporting here
[13:59] <Riddell> looks like a Jonathan Thomas job
[14:00] <Riddell> kishore: he's not around, you may want to e-mail echidnaman@gmail.com and point out the issue to him
[14:00] <kishore> Riddell: thats apachelogger right?
[14:01] <Riddell> no
[14:01] <Riddell> jontheechidna when he's on irc
[14:02] <kishore> ok thanks. will do
[14:15] <ryanakca> yuriy: thanks
[14:31] <ryanakca> Could someone test ``Add Network Folder'' in Dolphin on HH for me please? When I click on it, I get ``KDEInit could not launch '/usr/lib/kde4/bin/knetattach'.''. (Dolphin -> Places -> Network -> Add Network Folder)
[14:38] <ryanakca> also, has anybody had problems dist-upgrading to intrepid in the last few days?
[14:49] <nixternal> wow, some insane storms last night
[14:50] <jjesse> nixternal: a co-worker of mine was tyring to get out o'hare last night
[14:50] <jjesse> was on the tarmac taxing to the runway when they got called back because of a tornado warning
[14:51] <nixternal> ya, we had a touchdown here....quite a bit of damage locally
[14:51] <nixternal> thank god for generators
[14:54] <jjesse> wow crazy
[14:55] <nixternal> working from home today :)
[14:57] <davmor2> Riddell: Did you get everything fixed yesterday?
[14:57] <Riddell> davmor2: yes I think so
[14:57] <Riddell> except the systray
[14:58] <davmor2> what about folder view?
[14:58] <Riddell> works for me
[14:58] <davmor2> Riddell: I'll update the iso's and try again then :)
[14:58] <Riddell> might point at the wrong folder, I'm not sure
[14:59] <davmor2> And that's your definition of fixed then :P
[15:06] <nixternal> Riddell: working on packaging the pinentry-qt4 stuff...I made the changes to the package but need to figure out why it FTBFS and will then upload
[15:16] <JontheEchidna> Aaah, back.
[15:16] <Riddell> morning JontheEchidna
[15:16] <JontheEchidna> btw, a fix for that konq plugin should be in the k-u-t ppa
[15:16] <JontheEchidna> need testers for Hardy for that one
[15:17] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: I'm sure kishore will test it
[15:18] <JontheEchidna> I'll email him back with ppa infos
[15:20] <nixternal> jjesse: how come IRC doesn't come with weapons of mass destruction? argh!
[15:20] <jjesse> dude i totally agree
[15:21] <JontheEchidna> bah, I need to fix that typo in plasma-am4rok before I forget again
[15:28] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: Do I need to bump the version of plasma-am4rok to -0ubuntu2 since plasmoid-am4rok was never published?
[15:28] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: no
[15:28] <JontheEchidna> Ok
[15:28] <JontheEchidna> I'll file a bug and attach the diff.gz/dsc/orig.tar.gz
[15:29] <JontheEchidna> oh, there's no package to file against
[15:29] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: should I just email it to you?
[15:30] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: ok
[15:30] <jjesse> nixternal: how long has flaccid been working on his book?
[15:31] <nixternal> forever
[15:31] <jjesse> nixternal: awesome he's touting it in the doc channel again
[15:32] <yuriy> hmm switching keyboard layout doesn't seem to work
[15:33] <yuriy> hmm readded the layout and it works
[15:38] <Nightrose> Riddell: Amarok 2 reads XDG-dir to find out the directory it scans by default - this seems to be set like this in Kubuntu: XDG_MUSIC_DIR="$HOME/"
[15:38] <Nightrose> this means Amarok 2 scans the whole home directory on first start
[15:38] <Nightrose> is there any reason for it not being XDG_MUSIC_DIR="$HOME/Music"?
[15:39] <Nightrose> (we will of course have to check for this anyway but would be interesting to know why it is set to the users home directory
[15:40] <Riddell> Nightrose: that's not what I have
[15:40] <Riddell> grep MUSIC /home/jr/.config/user-dirs.dirs
[15:40] <Riddell> XDG_MUSIC_DIR="$HOME/Music"
[15:40] <Nightrose> hmmmm hardy?
[15:40] <Nightrose> cause both markey and I have it set like above
[15:40] <Riddell> guess so
[15:40] <Nightrose> maybe because of upgrades from previous versions?
[15:40] <Riddell> Nightrose: presumably ~/Music exists?
[15:41] <Nightrose> I created it here some time ago - symlink to my external HDD
[15:42] <JontheEchidna> Need sponsor for bug 254998
[15:44] <Riddell> Nightrose: if I rm ~/.config/user-dirs.dirs and run xdg-user-dirs-update it recreates it fine
[15:44] <Nightrose> ok thanks Riddell
[15:44] <Nightrose> very strange
[15:44] <Nightrose> any idea why it is happening?
[15:45] <yuriy> OK it just randomly stops working (the keyboard layout)
[15:45] <Riddell> Nightrose: nope, what happens if you rm ~/.config/user-dirs.dirs and run xdg-user-dirs-update?
[15:45] <Nightrose> let me try
[15:46] <Nightrose> Riddell: then it is set to HOME/Music
[15:49] <JontheEchidna> Oh cool
[15:49] <JontheEchidna> KDE svn has a 4.1 brach for Laneclot
[15:49] <JontheEchidna> *Lancelot
[15:52] <yuriy> ok so my arrow keys stop working. when I unplug and plug the keyboard back in, they work, but keyboard layout switching does not.
[15:52] <JontheEchidna> how would I make a snapshot tarball from an svn source tree?
[15:52] <yuriy> if I go to the configuration dialog for that and click apply, that works, bu arrow keys don't
[15:53] <yuriy> hmm maybe I forgot to restart X after updating..
[16:00] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: uploaded plasmoid-am4rok
[16:00] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: thanks
[16:00] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: svn export <URL>
[16:00] <JontheEchidna> thanks again. ;-)\
[16:00] <Riddell> tar zcf foo_1.2.3.orig.tar.gz foo/
[16:05] <JontheEchidna> btw, Dolphin is trying to exec kate from /usr/lib/kde4 in Intrepid for me
[16:07] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: grep kate ~/.local -r
[16:09] <JontheEchidna> Hrm... /home/jonathan/.local/share/applications/kde4-kate.desktop:Exec=/usr/lib/kde4/bin/kate %u
[16:10] <JontheEchidna> Leftovers from Hardy I guess
[16:10] <Riddell> I had that too
[16:10] <Riddell> I wonder why
[16:11] <JontheEchidna> yay, it works
[16:15] <Jucato> is it safe to upgrade now? (intrepid)
[16:15] <Jucato> er. update
[16:15] <mornfall> yuriy: Could you please pull ept+adept and try building and running? Pretty please... :)
[16:15] <mornfall> yuriy: So I have some feedback before building alpha6...
[16:17] <yuriy> sure
[16:18] <davmor2> YAY desktop is back Riddell :)
[16:20] <Riddell> Jucato: according to davmor2 it is :)
[16:20] <Jucato> cool :)
[16:20]  * Jucato updates
[16:20] <davmor2> and usplash :)
[16:20] <Riddell> davmor2: no trippyness during boot up?
[16:21] <JontheEchidna> You mean the extra bars showing up?
[16:21] <Riddell> extra bars?
[16:21] <davmor2> extra bar + yes
[16:21] <JontheEchidna> yeah, usplash was showing extra bars and stuff
[16:21] <davmor2> Riddell: are there 3 usplash bar sizes?
[16:21] <Jucato> oooh lovely :)
[16:21] <JontheEchidna> I should probably upgrade
[16:22] <Jucato> hm.. but then again, I don't even have a usplash when I upgraded to intrepid
[16:22] <JontheEchidna> I didn't either
[16:22] <JontheEchidna> but one day it showed up
[16:22] <JontheEchidna> with extra bars appearing at various stages of bootup
[16:22] <JontheEchidna> :P
[16:22] <Jucato> :D
[16:22] <Jucato> JontheEchidna: I thought you were on an internetless vacation?
[16:22] <JontheEchidna> I came back this morning
[16:23] <Jucato> aaah
[16:23] <JontheEchidna> around an hour ago
[16:23] <Jucato> refreshed and ready to hack again? :D
[16:23] <Riddell> davmor2: dunno
[16:24] <davmor2> hmmmm They seem to be slightly ofset and different lengths and thickness like it's for different resolutions
[16:30] <yuriy> mornfall: still some warnings
[16:30] <yuriy> for wibble
[16:30] <mornfall> yuriy: Yeah, I know... but it's better, is it not? :)
[16:30] <yuriy> yup
[16:33] <kishore> JontheEchidna: the files included in the plugins package seems right but i do not see the view available in konq or dolphin
[16:33] <davmor2> JontheEchidna: does that describe what you're seeing too?
[16:33] <JontheEchidna> davmor2: for me they are the same length as the central one
[16:33] <JontheEchidna> an empty one appears below the central one
[16:33] <JontheEchidna> and the bottom of one appears above it
[16:34] <davmor2> nicer than mine then :)
[16:34] <kishore> i am loggeed into svn compiled kde4 but i launched /usr/lib/kde4/bin/konqueror. I also tried setting the kubuntu kde4 env but nothing
[16:34] <kishore> should i log in to kubuntu kde4?
[16:35]  * JontheEchidna doesn't know how this plugin works to be honest
[16:36] <kishore> :) ok ill log into kubuntu kde4
[16:36] <kishore> and while i still have your attention, any idea when nm0.7 will get included into intrepid?
[16:37] <JontheEchidna> Nope
[16:37] <kishore> i am interested in trying the plasma applet
[16:37] <kishore> for network management
[16:37] <kishore> but that only works with 0.7
[16:37]  * JontheEchidna is going to lunch
[16:38] <JontheEchidna> sorry to run in the middle of a conversation like that....
[16:38] <JontheEchidna> but my family will leave without me
[16:38] <JontheEchidna> :P
[16:38] <kishore> :)
[16:39] <kishore> carry on
[16:42] <piquadrat> Hi everyone! Is this the right place to ask about problems with Intrepid?
[16:42] <davmor2> Riddell:  I've noticed one minor issue though the mouse doesn't work :(
[16:43] <Riddell> davmor2: thefish was having issues with that earlier, said it was an X issue
[16:44] <Riddell> piquadrat: for Kubuntu stuff it is
[16:44] <davmor2> and alt+Fx takes you to a garbled screen as well as ctrl-alt-Fx
[16:44] <Riddell> piquadrat: or #ubuntu+1 for non-contributors
[16:44] <Riddell> davmor2: guess usplash isn't completely fixed then
[16:45] <kishore> JontheEchidna, Riddell the konqueror plugin package seems to work fine
[16:45] <davmor2> Riddell: this is on the desktop
[16:45] <kishore> the fsview plugin however, is only available to konqueror and not to dolphin
[16:48] <Jucato> kishore: it's a "konq-plugin" for a reason ;)
[16:48] <davmor2> Riddell: I think I might just fail this cd somehow :(
[16:48] <Jucato> Dolphin isn't really plugin-oriented. and I don't think Peter will change that anytime soon
[16:49] <kishore> Jucato: i understand that :) but i though konq and dolphin were sharing file views
[16:49] <mornfall> yuriy: Anything else?
[16:49] <Jucato> kishore: you're right. the "file view" uses dolphinpart. but "fsview" isn't "file view" :)
[16:50] <kishore> Jucato: and i understand that konq was always meant to be the more advanced of the two for file management
[16:51] <Jucato> kishore: well.. that's true in some ways, but false in others. let's just say that in some ways, Konqueror will be limited by what Dolphin has :)
[17:00] <txwikinger> Riddell: could it be that there is some problem with the exit function in KDE4 or QT4?
[17:04] <piquadrat> I have problems activaiting my bluetooth mouse with kinputwizard. It finds the mouse, but when I select it from the list and click "Setup", it says "Failed to create the input device for [My Mouse Brand And Modell]". It doesn't say what exactly went wrong. Same procedure worked flawless on Hardy
[17:21] <mornfall> Wow.
[17:26] <yuriy> mornfall: tag search is OK, but I still think it's a little confusing. can clear, if not be a button, at least get the clear icon?
[17:26] <Tm_T> emma: hi
[17:27] <mornfall> yuriy: What does the clear icon look like?
[17:28] <mornfall> Ah, the <x] one?
[17:28] <mornfall> yuriy: Any significant bugs or crashes you have ran into?
[17:29] <mornfall> As for the tag search, dunno. I'm inclined to leave it for alpha6 as it is and maybe try to prod seele for some feedback...
[17:29] <mornfall> And of course other people as well...
[17:32] <emma> Hi there Tm_T :)
[17:34] <yuriy> mornfall: I agree, prod seele
[17:37] <yuriy> mornfall: when launching installer as non-root: it takes a while creating the groups and seems to hang for about 5 seconds before I can dismiss the read only message
[17:37] <yuriy> search in installer doesn't work
[17:38] <yuriy> sorry, it does, but it's not search as you type
[17:38] <yuriy> there is no "suite" choice in the installer
[17:39] <mornfall> Well, we could have it for beta 1 maybe. (suite)
[17:39] <yuriy> action checkboxes should not be available in read only mode
[17:40] <mornfall> yuriy: Well, you can preview what'd happen if you did that. Although it might lure people into thinking they can actually apply changes...
[17:40] <mornfall> Dunno.
[17:40] <mornfall> beta 1 material
[17:40] <yuriy> actually, not sure. but it does seem a little confusing
[17:40]  * yuriy punts to seale
[17:41] <yuriy> err seele
[17:42] <mornfall> Oh, the icons in installer went away.
[17:42] <mornfall> Now that's a regression.
[17:43] <yuriy> oh I thought that was because I didn't have it installed
[17:43] <mornfall> I mean, the application icons.
[17:44] <mornfall> I have noted down the suite combobox. The unsupported/proprietary bits won't get back though, -ENOTIME. It can be hacked in later up for Kubuntu I guess.
[17:45] <yuriy> yup. integrated software properties will need to be as well
[17:46] <yuriy> not sure how feasible it would be to use libpythonize to stick it right in there
[17:46] <mornfall> Through embedding? That's gonna be a little painful...
[17:46] <yuriy> worst case, a button to launch it
[17:47] <mornfall> I'll actually have to cut down feature list for 3.1 to something more malleable... Hmh.
[17:51] <mornfall> I'm wondering whom to recruit to do a hardy backport... Hmh.
[17:52] <mornfall> Riddell: Btw, icons show up OK in the intrepid version of manager? They are in wrong location on Debian it seems... for whatever reason.
[17:55] <Riddell> mornfall: in 3.0~alpha5+ubuntu1 I have icons down the side
[17:56] <Riddell> no icon next to packages
[18:00] <mornfall> Riddell: Not even question-mark ones?
[18:01] <Riddell> mornfall: right, I get question mark ones
[18:01] <mornfall> Riddell: Ah, same problem as on Debian.
[18:02] <mornfall> Anyone know what's the right CMAKE incantation to install into share/apps/<app>?
[18:02] <Riddell> mornfall: in intrepid there's now /usr/share/cdbs/1/class/kde4.mk
[18:04] <mornfall> Hm, but not on Debian. Blah.
[18:04] <mornfall> I wish they'd unify one day. Having to package differently on every distro (and distro version) is teh pain.
[18:05] <mornfall> Wait, maybe.
[18:05] <mornfall> Hmm.
[18:07] <Riddell> mornfall: well Debian's debian/cdbs directory should work fine in Kubuntu too
[18:07] <Riddell> with   include debian/cdbs/kde.mk
[18:07] <mornfall> Hm, I've been using cmake class.
[18:07] <mornfall> And it sort of worked, until the prefix changed to /usr/share/kde4/...
[18:08] <mornfall> Is that the same on intrepid? I could just hardcode that, really.
[18:08] <Riddell> yes it is
[18:08] <mornfall> And Hardy KDE 4?
[18:08] <Riddell> is entirely different since it's all in /usr/lib/kde4
[18:09] <mornfall> Ah.
[18:09] <Riddell> needs its own debian/cdbs/ directory
[18:09] <mornfall> Okey, so I need volunteers to backport and test... Hmh.
[18:09] <mornfall> Noone's seen Arby recently? : - )
[18:12] <mornfall> Riddell: Can I have a link for the cdbs dir? I still have alpha5 hardy tree around, so I can try to build it at least.
[18:12] <mornfall> We'll see if anyone can test it.
[18:13] <Riddell> mornfall: the hardy one?
[18:13] <mornfall> Yes.
[18:13] <mornfall> alpha2 I meant...
[18:13] <mornfall> But the cdbs subdir might be stale.
[18:14] <mornfall> Hm, I guess I also need apt-xapian-index to be backported. Duh.
[18:14] <Riddell> mornfall: http://muse.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/cdbs/
[18:14] <mornfall> Thanks.
[18:25] <mornfall> yuriy: Was it you who noticed that startup-close crash in Adept?
[18:26] <yuriy> don't remember
[18:30] <mornfall> Wow, what a lengthy changelog.
[18:31] <mornfall> yuriy: I keep the installer startup delay unfixed for now, it's too hard for a relatively obscure bug. Any other obviously low-hanging fruit for alpha 6?
[18:33] <yuriy> nothing else I noticed
[18:33] <yuriy> but I'm working on something else so I haven't tested that thoroughly
[18:39] <mornfall> Well, it's an alpha, not a final. :)
[18:40] <mornfall> I just prefer to have at least some reality check before doing all the release dancing.
[18:57] <mornfall> Uhm. i386 autobuilder is quite behind...
[19:42] <JontheEchidna> ok
[19:42] <JontheEchidna> so lancelot wants "taskmanager.h" to compile
[19:43] <JontheEchidna> I can't find it in any existing packages
[19:44] <JontheEchidna> oh, kdebase
[19:46] <JontheEchidna> (-dev)
[19:47] <JontheEchidna> wut
[19:47] <JontheEchidna> still failing
[19:49] <mornfall> Hooray home. Everything uploaded, hopefully things manage to build somehow.
[19:49] <mornfall> Be back in 40.
[19:55] <JontheEchidna> Maybe our packages don't ship it since presumably nothing uses it...
[19:55]  * JontheEchidna debuilds kdebase
[20:22] <mornfall> Oh dang.
[20:22] <mornfall> Estimated build start in 3 hours.
[20:25] <mornfall> Anyone on amd64 intrepid here?
[20:26] <mornfall> And, amd64 hardy would be great too.
[20:26] <mornfall> (Considering i386 has an hour lag...)
[20:26] <mornfall> +of
[20:33] <yuriy> I have amd64 hardy
[20:36] <DRebellion> mornfall, is that the ppa servers =/
[20:36] <DRebellion> ?
[20:37] <mornfall> Yes, PPA.
[20:37] <mornfall> yuriy: Nevermind for now, the build failed anyway for some wicked reason.
[20:42] <mornfall> Oh. Oh oh.
[20:42] <mornfall> Old Qt in Hardy.
[20:42] <mornfall> Dang it.
[20:43] <JontheEchidna> backports and the kubuntu members kde4 ppa have 4.4.0
[20:44] <JontheEchidna> if you had your ppa dep against kubuntu-members-kde4 you could solve that issue ;-)
[20:44] <mornfall> Hmh.
[20:44] <mornfall> Interesting.
[20:44] <mornfall> JontheEchidna: But I can't add per-release dependencies.
[20:45] <mornfall> And I don't want to add them for intrepid, do I?
[20:45] <JontheEchidna> I mean have your ppa itself depend against the kubuntu-members-kde4 ppa
[20:45] <JontheEchidna> not the adept package
[20:45] <mornfall> Indeed. But the PPA is for both hardy and intrepid.
[20:46] <JontheEchidna> oh, I understand
[20:46] <JontheEchidna> hrm...
[20:46] <yuriy> but if the packages in kubuntu-members-kde4 are for hardy, they wouldn't get in the way, would they?
[20:46] <JontheEchidna> oh yeah, nothing's in there for Intrepid
[20:47] <JontheEchidna> and probably won't be untill 4.2 alphas or betas are released
[20:50] <mornfall> Hmm.
[20:52] <mornfall> Let's try that way then.
[20:56] <mornfall> JontheEchidna: The KDE 4.1 in kubuntu-members-kde4 is packaged the "hardy" way, right?
[20:56] <Riddell> yes
[20:56] <mornfall> Good.
[21:06] <mornfall> yuriy: Can you please try installing alpha 6 on your amd64 hardy?
[21:06] <mornfall> yuriy: deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/mornfall/ubuntu hardy main (+ the kubuntu-members-kde4 one)
[21:07] <vorian> howdy
[21:07] <mornfall> vorian: Funkily.
[21:07] <emunkki> Riddell, ping
[21:07] <vorian> funkily eh?
[21:08] <mornfall> Arby: Poke?
[21:09] <Arby> mornfall: hello
[21:09] <mornfall> Arby: Hi. You have Hardy, right?
[21:09] <Arby> yes
[21:09] <mornfall> Amd64 or i386?
[21:09] <Arby> i386
[21:09] <|gunni|> mornfall: You want to test Adept (KDE4) on hardy?
[21:09] <mornfall> |gunni|: Yes.
[21:09] <vorian> DRebellion: when you have an updated package on revy, please ping me :)
[21:09] <mornfall> i386 build is still pending... I'll poke you when it builds.
[21:09] <|gunni|> I can test it here (i386) also
[21:09] <|gunni|> kk
[21:10] <Arby> ok
[21:10] <DRebellion> vorian, sure
[21:10] <Arby> mornfall: eta?
[21:10] <mornfall> Arby: PPA says 2 hours, but it might be anything between 10 minutes and 3 hours I guess. :|
[21:10] <DRebellion> vorian, just waiting for upstream to commit to trunk
[21:10] <|gunni|> Hopefully less than 2 hours, in 2 hours its getting bedtime here
[21:10] <Arby> ok
[21:11] <vorian> DRebellion: coolio
[21:13] <mornfall> Hm. Dbus went all wonky. Brb.
[21:16] <mornfall> |gunni|: Well, can't do anything about it, unfortunately. In the worst case, you test tomorrow. :)
[21:20] <|gunni|> No Problem for me, but it gets later for you with test results ..
[21:29] <mornfall> Indeed.
[21:29] <mornfall> Let's blame Baltar. : - ]
[21:29] <JontheEchidna> vorian: new upstream of plasmoid-quickaccess \o/
[21:29] <vorian> yaya
[21:30] <vorian> y
[21:30] <vorian> JontheEchidna: fix the flicker package
[21:30] <vorian> :P
[21:30] <vorian> fliker
[21:30] <JontheEchidna> oh right, lol
[21:30] <vorian> flika
[21:30] <vorian> :)
[21:31] <JontheEchidna> konq ain't starting :(
[21:31] <JontheEchidna> or else I'd be able to get you a bug number for quickaccess
[21:31] <vorian> :(
[21:31] <JontheEchidna> oh, there it goes
[21:31] <JontheEchidna> lol wut
[21:31] <vorian> are you using intrepid?
[21:32] <JontheEchidna> yes
[21:32] <JontheEchidna> Error: Cannot Initiate the about Protocol
[21:32] <JontheEchidna> (about:blank)
[21:32] <vorian> konq is fine for me
[21:32] <JontheEchidna> things were fine before the latest update
[21:32] <JontheEchidna> maybe I need to restart KDE
[21:32] <vorian> yes, please do :)
[21:32] <vorian> (don't you have bugmail though?)
[21:33] <JontheEchidna> aah
[21:33] <JontheEchidna> bug 254998
[21:33] <JontheEchidna> good thinking
[21:33]  * vorian looks
[21:34] <Nightrose> oh JontheEchidna - how is my bribery going? ;-)
[21:34] <JontheEchidna> Nightrose: I need to get back to it :P
[21:34] <JontheEchidna> Still working it's way through revu
[21:35] <Nightrose> ;-) ok
[21:35] <vorian> roister kenton stutter tootle ballyhoo
[21:35] <vorian> i find the new pbuilder annoying etc...
[21:39]  * mornfall has dropped pbuilder in favour of schroot+sbuild.
[21:39] <vorian> I'be been pondering sbuild
[21:43] <mornfall> Arby: ping
[21:43] <mornfall> |gunni|: ping
[21:44] <Arby> mornfall pong
[21:44] <mornfall> Arby: hardy build has finished
[21:44] <Arby> great, I'll install it then
[21:44] <Arby> anything you particularly want checked?
[21:45] <mornfall> Arby: First of all, if it installs and runs. :)
[21:46] <|gunni|> mornfall: I will try. I just have to update? (Your repo should be in my list)
[21:46] <mornfall> |gunni|: Try.
[21:46] <mornfall> |gunni|: If it complains, you probably need to add: deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-members-kde4/ubuntu hardy main
[21:46] <|gunni|> Already have that
[21:46] <mornfall> Great.
[21:47] <|gunni|> running kde4.1 already
[21:47] <mornfall> Yeah, I'm just being cautious. :)
[21:48] <|gunni|> medibuntu repos slow my update ... but should be only minutes :)
[21:49] <DRebellion> vorian, does it matter if the Build-Depends field in debian/control is >80 chars?
[21:49] <|gunni|> mornfall: even dist-upgrade is holding back:   adept apt-xapian-index
[21:49] <vorian> DRebellion: yes, please :)
[21:49] <DRebellion> vorian, ok
[21:49] <mornfall> |gunni|: What says when you say apt-get install adept?
[21:49] <DRebellion> vorian, i escape it like this, right?:
[21:49] <DRebellion> Build-Depends: debhelper (>= 5), libqt4-dev, libxext-dev, docbook, docbook2x,
[21:49] <DRebellion>  libqscintilla2-dev
[21:49] <|gunni|> Mornfall:  adept: Hängt ab: apt-xapian-index (>= 0.14) aber 0.6 soll installiert werden
[21:50] <mornfall> |gunni|: And adding apt-xapian-index?
[21:50] <Arby> mornfall: errm http://paste.ubuntu.com/34532/
[21:50] <mornfall> There must be some other package holding them back.
[21:50] <|gunni|> apt-xapian-index: Hängt ab: python-apt (>= 0.7.6) aber 0.7.4ubuntu7.3 soll installiert werden
[21:50] <mornfall> Arby: That's not that one.
[21:51] <Arby> oh, ok
[21:51] <mornfall> |gunni|: Oh. python-apt.
[21:51] <mornfall> Arby: You need to install it first. ;)
[21:51] <mornfall> Arby: (Which seems to not work due to python-apt being old...)
[21:51] <vorian> DRebellion: yep, just one space
[21:51] <mornfall> |gunni|: It's not in backports?
[21:52] <Arby> mornfall: is this what you were referring to
[21:52] <Arby> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[21:52] <Arby>   adept: Depends: apt-xapian-index (>= 0.14) but it is not going to be installed
[21:52] <Arby> E: Broken packages
[21:53] <mornfall> Arby: Yes, see above.
[21:53] <|gunni|> mornfall: No, bakcports are enabled, so seems to be not in there
[21:54] <mornfall> I'm uploading it to my PPA, let's see.
[21:55] <|gunni|> Hope it has no more dependencies
[21:55] <mornfall> |gunni|: You know how to debuild packages right? Can you grab http://launchpadlibrarian.net/16570614/python-apt_0.7.7.1+hardy1.tar.gz and http://launchpadlibrarian.net/16570615/python-apt_0.7.7.1+hardy1.dsc and try it?
[21:56] <|gunni|> mornfall: I once debuild ... so maybe i get it done a second time :)
[21:57] <mornfall> It'll be a while till PPA picks it up I guess.
[21:57] <mornfall> Arby: If you like, you can try too.
[21:57] <Arby> already am :)
[21:57] <mornfall> Great. :)
[21:58] <|gunni|> mornfall: can you short explain how to build, otherwise i have to search for the tutorial again. unpack the tar, change to dir, and then debuild ...?
[21:59] <Arby> |gunni|: download .tar.gz and .dsc
[21:59] <Arby> dpkg-source -x foo.dsc
[21:59] <Arby> cd to directory
[22:00] <Arby> debuild
[22:00] <mornfall> :)
[22:00] <mornfall> Indeed.
[22:00] <|gunni|> Arby: thx
[22:01] <Arby> which fails on libapt-pkg-dev
[22:01] <Arby> hmm
[22:01] <|gunni|> Yes
[22:02] <|gunni|> 0.7.9ubuntu17 is in repos and needs >0.7.10
[22:02] <mornfall> Bleh.
[22:02] <Arby> beat me to it
[22:02] <mornfall> Which is built from apt itself.
[22:02] <mornfall> Riddell: Any hints?
[22:03] <Arby> backport the newer dependencies?
[22:03] <|gunni|> mornfall: Do you need this dependencies, or can you adjust them to lower versions?
[22:03] <mornfall> |gunni|: Well, you can try and you'll see. But it might fail.
[22:05] <mornfall> (Why is everything that is released so ancient already? Drat.)
[22:07] <mornfall> |gunni|, Arby, you should probably try getting apt-xapian-index source and changing its python-apt dependency and see if it still works. That'd be the easiest way for me to make that supportable.
[22:09] <|gunni|> If you can explain me which file to change for that dependencies i can try
[22:10] <mornfall> When you get apt-xapian-source, change debian/control
[22:10] <mornfall> The line that reads Depends:
[22:11] <mornfall> Change the (>= 0.7.6) next to python-apt to read (>= 0.7.4)
[22:11] <mornfall> debuild
[22:11] <mornfall> apt-get install python-apt
[22:11] <mornfall> dpkg -i apt-xapian-index
[22:11] <mornfall> (I meant apt-xapian-index source... I'm getting a little sleepy.)
[22:12] <Arby> mornfall: a little strange, I apt-get source apt-xapian-index
[22:12] <Arby> and debian control has http://paste.ubuntu.com/34542/
[22:12] <Arby> this is apt-xapian-source-0.6 btw
[22:12] <mornfall> Arby: Ah. You need to get the one from my PPA.
[22:13] <mornfall> Arby: If youget the +hardy2 one, you shouldn't even need to edit anything.
[22:13] <mornfall> https://launchpad.net/~mornfall/+archive
[22:15] <Arby> mornfall: sorry I have to go, I should be around to test more tomorrow
[22:15] <mornfall> Okey...
[22:15] <mornfall> See you, then.
[22:17] <mornfall> |gunni|: Actually, if you wait 5 minutes, you should be able to update and have my hardy2 of apt-xapian-index with the loosened dependency.
[22:18] <|gunni|> I am trying to build simultaniously
[22:18] <mornfall> Okey, great.
[22:21] <|gunni|> ok, adept is installing
[22:21] <mornfall> Weeh.
[22:21] <mornfall> We'll see if it breaks trying to build the index.
[22:21] <|gunni|> Richte adept ein (3.0~alpha6+hardy1) ...
[22:23] <|gunni|> It runs (as far as i can see)
[22:24] <mornfall> |gunni|: The index update?
[22:24] <|gunni|> I have to get familiar with the gui i think
[22:25] <jtechidna> Lancelot is pretty cool...
[22:25] <mornfall> jtechidna: Re!
[22:25] <mornfall> |gunni|: Well, type something in the search box.
[22:27] <|gunni|> That works, fetching lists seem to work, but after that both buttons "upgrade" and "apply changes" are active, after clicking "upgrade" "apply changes" get inactive
[22:27] <mornfall> Ow.
[22:27] <mornfall> |gunni|: Does hitting upgrade show you stuff to install?
[22:27] <JontheEchidna> ooh, new adept to test
[22:27] <mornfall> Might be you are actually up to date. :)
[22:27] <|gunni|> apt-xapian-index is still in the queue, btw
[22:27] <mornfall> JontheEchidna: Indeed.
[22:27]  * JontheEchidna updates
[22:28] <mornfall> |gunni|: Successfully built -- says PPA.
[22:28] <|gunni|> I ll try to update through adept
[22:29] <|gunni|> Same behaviour
[22:31] <mornfall> |gunni|: And, does it list something to upgrade? Or it says "you haven't asked for any changes" or so?
[22:31] <mornfall> Because I can upgrade just fine here... :)
[22:31] <mornfall> I'll try letting it do the upgrade and see if I can reproduce afterwards.
[22:32] <|gunni|> You have not asked for any changes
[22:33] <mornfall> Well, you can't apply then. So it's a bug that the Apply button is enabled even when there are no changes to apply at the start.
[22:33] <mornfall> And maybe the upgrade thingy should say something like "there's nothing to upgrade, hooray."
[22:33] <JontheEchidna> oooh, new icons in adept
[22:33] <|gunni|> Only function of "upgrade" button is that it deactivates the "apply" button
[22:33] <mornfall> |gunni|: Try installing something new then maybe (I use xaos for testing).
[22:34] <mornfall> I have 360M of updates to install here, so it'll take a while.
[22:34] <|gunni|> I will try to get xapian now in command line
[22:35] <|gunni|> mornfall: apt-xapian is still hold back. I will remove the deb, and try again
[22:35] <mornfall> Ah, that.
[22:36] <mornfall> JontheEchidna: Yeah, well, they aren't all that new, they just went missing by accident. ;)
[22:36] <JontheEchidna> heh
[22:37] <|gunni|> Hmm, still the dependency problems
[22:37] <|gunni|> apt-xapian-index: Hängt ab: python-apt (>= 0.7.6) aber 0.7.4ubuntu7.3 soll installiert werden
[22:38] <mornfall> |gunni|: Haven't forgotten to run apt-get update?
[22:38] <|gunni|> Did an apt-get clean, and an update
[22:38] <mornfall> Hmh.
[22:38] <mornfall> apt-cache policy apt-xapian-index?
[22:39] <|gunni|> http://pastebin.com/m7c1af0d0
[22:40] <mornfall> |gunni|: https://launchpad.net/~mornfall/+archive says +hardy2 has been published 17 minutes ago :|
[22:41] <mornfall> |gunni|: Your APT only sees the +hardy1 though.
[22:41] <vorian> JontheEchidna: you see cpuload & memusage plasmoids?
[22:41] <|gunni|> Thats my repo: deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/mornfall/ubuntu hardy main
[22:41] <JontheEchidna> vorian: yeah, saw them
[22:42] <DRebellion> vorian, i am uploading monkeystudio to revu now. This version uses the qscintilla and qt designer packages from the ubuntu archive. I really ahve to go now, so I haven't build tested it yet. It is currently building in my ppa so you can check it there in 10-15 mins to see if it has built. If so, then feel free to review it. ;) Thanks
[22:42] <|gunni|> mornfall: Seems to work now
[22:42] <JontheEchidna> vorian: Unless you knew somebody who wanted to do them I'd do it after lancelot and flickr are done
[22:42] <mornfall> |gunni|: Good. :)
[22:42] <|gunni|> Maybe a hole in time and place
[22:42] <mornfall> JontheEchidna: So, any feedback? Other than ooh icons. ;)
[22:43] <mornfall> Although the "ooh icons" bit was cute. ;)
[22:43] <JontheEchidna> mornfall: uuuh, yay for not crashing yet during my upgrade of Qt? :P
[22:43] <mornfall> Hm, my download still has ETA 5 minutes.
[22:43] <JontheEchidna> I noticed that the side pane was greyed out
[22:43] <JontheEchidna> It might be good to un-grey out the pane you're actually in
[22:43] <JontheEchidna> s/pane/icon
[22:44] <JontheEchidna> Oh, and maybe give apply/cancel buttons icons. :P
[22:45] <mornfall> Hm. Could be.
[22:45] <mornfall> But for ungreying, that's a little tricky. Well, I can try hacking the sidebar a little.
[22:45] <JontheEchidna> It's nothing big, so don't worry too terribly much about it
[22:46] <mornfall> I add it as [3.0 could] to my todo. :)
[22:46] <JontheEchidna> As for icons for the buttons, I think I know enough that I'd be able to send in patches
[22:47] <mornfall> That'd be actually awesome.
[22:47] <|gunni|> mornfall: It only runs from konsole ... strange
[22:47] <mornfall> |gunni|: Hm. The desktop files might be borked.
[22:47] <JontheEchidna> If I understand correctly I'd just need to make a KIcon and include it in the button's initialization
[22:48] <mornfall> |gunni|: But the manager one should work, I'd hope.
[22:48]  * JontheEchidna will poke around
[22:48] <mornfall> JontheEchidna: Honestly, I have no idea. I'd have to check docs myself. :)
[22:48] <JontheEchidna> heh
[22:48] <mornfall> (Which I do a lot, so nothing new there.)
[22:48] <|gunni|> crash on search
[22:48] <mornfall> |gunni|: Icky. Where?
[22:49] <mornfall> (I haven't seen one, it might be related to the apt-xapian-index hack, too...)
[22:49] <|gunni|> On typing "fire" in the searchbox: http://pastebin.com/m2e7a8ec0
[22:50] <mornfall> |gunni|: Hm. What happens if you run sudo update-apt-xapian-index in terminal?
[22:51] <|gunni|> The strange thing is with my own deb, i could run adept from the menu, and also did not crash
[22:51] <mornfall> |gunni|: Hmm hmm.
[22:52] <|gunni|> http://pastebin.com/m5877a78a
[22:53] <JontheEchidna> Ooh nice
[22:53] <mornfall> |gunni|: Drat.
[22:53] <mornfall> |gunni|: So it's the python-apt problem.
[22:53] <JontheEchidna> a key for the different icons and the tag system is back
[22:53] <JontheEchidna> oh, that's not just a key
[22:54] <JontheEchidna> it's a filtering system
[22:54] <JontheEchidna> niiice
[22:55] <mornfall> :-)
[22:55] <JontheEchidna> Hmm
[22:56] <JontheEchidna> any way an exact string match could be put at the top of the list?
[22:56] <mornfall> |gunni|: Unfortunately, I've got no idea how to fix that without upgrading apt...
[22:56] <mornfall> |gunni|: On hardy, that is.
[22:56] <JontheEchidna> When I searched for "xboing" lbreakout2 was at the top of the list, with xboing being somewhere in the middle
[22:57] <mornfall> JontheEchidna: Hard. The search does a bunch of magic to get good results. Exact matches unfortunately suffer sometimes.
[22:57] <mornfall> JontheEchidna: You know the problem from google. ;)
[22:57] <JontheEchidna> yeah...
[22:57] <|gunni|> mornfall: No problem, i use the terminal then. I never used adept, cause it was so unreliable
[22:57] <mornfall> |gunni|: Well, it should be much more reliable now. Although Hardy is a problem here...
[22:58] <|gunni|> I just wonder why it worked a few minutes ago
[22:59] <mornfall> |gunni|: It probably needs to have apt database up-to-date.
[22:59] <mornfall> |gunni|: What happens if you run apt-get update, then update-apt-xapian-index? Does it work then?
[23:00] <|gunni|> No
[23:00] <mornfall> Hm.
[23:00] <JontheEchidna> Everything checks out here. :-)
[23:00] <mornfall> Dunno. I'll have to give up on the idea of hardy backport, it seems. Well, I'll upload apt from intrepid to my ppa I guess.
[23:01] <|gunni|> MAybe its the other way around, if apt is not up-to-date the error occurs
[23:01] <|gunni|> Ah wait i can check that
[23:02] <|gunni|> No, still crashes
[23:12] <|gunni|> n8
[23:12] <mornfall> |gunni|: I have uploaded apt and python-apt.
[23:12] <mornfall> |gunni|: If you feel like it, you could try tomorrow.
[23:12] <mornfall> |gunni|: Thanks so far and goodnight.
[23:15] <|gunni|> Hmm, when is it ready?
[23:15] <mornfall> I wish I knew.
[23:15] <mornfall> apt just started building
[23:15] <|gunni|> I will try later or tomorrow
[23:19] <JontheEchidna> mornfall: Still crashing on exit, but a different crash
[23:19] <mornfall> JontheEchidna: Ow?
[23:19] <JontheEchidna> Fatal Error: Accessed global static 'KGlobalPrivate *globalData()' after destruction. Defined at /build/buildd/kde4libs-4.1.0/kdecore/kernel/kglobal.cpp:98
[23:19] <JontheEchidna> Unable to start Dr. Konqi
[23:19] <mornfall> JontheEchidna: Nothing else, just that?
[23:19] <mornfall> Hm. I still get double free or corruption. Blah.
[23:19] <JontheEchidna> oh
[23:19] <JontheEchidna> nevermind
[23:19] <JontheEchidna> that is the double free or corruption
[23:19] <JontheEchidna> heh
[23:20] <apachelogger> Nightrose: get youself a smile and take a look at bug 201732 ;-)
[23:21] <Nightrose> *lol*
[23:21] <Nightrose> ok
[23:21] <Nightrose> rofl
[23:21] <Nightrose> nice
[23:23]  * apachelogger pokes JontheEchidna with bug 251331
[23:28] <mornfall> JontheEchidna: http://rafb.net/p/LcuQtw91.html -- curious, duh?
[23:30] <JontheEchidna> brb, restarting computer in hopes of fixing audio
[23:44] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: [00:23:57] -*- apachelogger pokes JontheEchidna with bug 251331
[23:44] <JontheEchidna> heh, thanks