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tanathwhenever i mount something over USB, it appears twice00:14
tanathand this camera i'm trying to use isn't working. shows up twice, but says it can't mount it00:15
tanathand it's not going away when i unplug it now00:17
tanath>.<00:17
tanathso now there's 4 media devices in the list, none of which exist00:17
tanathhrm, just a nautilus bug. works with dolphin00:59
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virtualroadsideOMG! THINGS BROKED!04:00
virtualroadside:p04:00
virtualroadsideactually, is there a way to download the source package, compile it, and tell it to replace the 'official one' until someone fixes the problem?04:01
crimsunapt-get source foo04:01
virtualroadsideyes04:01
virtualroadsidei meant actually replace the package though, not just running make install etc, since sometimes it doesn't use the same settings04:02
crimsunyou can then debuild/pbuilder/sbuild04:02
virtualroadsidemm04:02
crimsunof course you'll need to install devscripts and build-dependencies if you use debuild04:02
* crdlb wonders which package this is04:02
virtualroadsideevtouch04:02
virtualroadsidexorg touchscreen driver04:03
virtualroadsidei just upgraded to intrepid since you have the new xorg there finally, so i dont have to maintain my own copy :)04:03
virtualroadside(input hotplug stuff)04:03
virtualroadsidei just find it annoying when i install X, and then someone updates the distro's package (not fixing my problem of course), and overwriting the old one -- which doesn't strictly apply in this case, but in cases where its a dependency or something..04:05
virtualroadsideand by X, i dont mean xorg :p04:05
crimsundid you file a bug?04:05
virtualroadsidei was going to patch it first04:05
crimsunor update comments on a bug?04:05
virtualroadsidethen file said bug04:05
virtualroadsideheh.. wonder why sbuild installed an mta04:10
crimsunvirtualroadside: because it mails build notifications.04:24
virtualroadsideah, makes sense04:26
skreechmiesterQuestion from the Penny arcade04:28
skreechmiesterIs  the issue with Alpha 3 and virtualbox only on the Cd or if I dist-upgrade to intrepid within a virtual box it won't boot any more?04:29
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omghi2uHey guise, I have 1 of 2 things. either a stumper you haven't heard before, or something you've heard a million times you're tired of04:50
gnomefreakomghi2u: i suggest filing bugs on them04:51
omghi2uIBEXa3 seems to work fine in every way possible... except MY LAPTOP KEYBOARD DOESN"T WORK. Works in other ttys, works enough that i can use ctrl+alt+#.. but gdm/gnome doesn't response at all to any way to any buttons. tried changing my keyboard layout etc, im' on a toshiba laptop04:52
omghi2ugnomefreak: would be more than happy to, but I always ask first in case I'm just missing something stupid. Nothing I hate more then idiots who file bug reports for simple things they should know beter / figure out04:52
gnomefreakomghi2u: file a bug its a gnome issue and you most likely wont find a workaround04:52
omghi2ugnomefreak: Will do then :) sorrry, either you've heard that a lot or you're getting tired of the questions :-/04:53
gnomefreakthere are a bunch of keyboard issues04:53
omghi2uI see. new xorg thing or new gnome thing?04:54
omghi2uare the new versions of gnome/xorg both in the alpha3?04:54
gnomefreakomghi2u: yes04:54
gnomefreakthey are both beta IIRC04:54
gnomefreakyep niether are final releases at this time04:55
omghi2uthank you for the information :) i'll pass it on :D04:55
gnomefreaknp04:57
skreechmiestergnomefreak: Sure?05:04
gnomefreakskreechmiester: huh?05:05
skreechmiestergnomefreak: That happens to me short term in KDE as well05:11
teethdoodhow come firefox greys out whenever I do something disk intensive? (ie extracting some files)05:11
teethdoodwhatever happened to multitasking05:12
skreechmiesterfirefox is now a teenager and hatees to be ignored :)05:12
teethdoodfirefox must be a dog then, cuz in human years it's like what, 3-4 years old max?05:13
skreechmiesterWEll the name Firefox maybe the code?05:17
skreechmiesterQuite a bit older05:17
skreechmiesterteethdood: maybe Fox years ^_^05:17
teethdoodheh true05:18
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DanaGAnybody happen to know what would make an e100 ethernet card fail to wake-on-lan?06:07
DanaGI put the laptop to sleep, and the link LED goes off.06:08
LSD|NinjaDoes the laptop actually support WoL?06:09
DanaGI'm not entirely sure.06:10
DanaGIt's an old Toshiba laptop; 1415-S10506:10
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DanaGOh yeah, that laptop also always fails to recover from DPMS Off mode.06:18
DanaGI actually have to vt-switch away from and back to Xorg to get display again.06:18
DanaGAah, t'was disabled in BIOS.06:47
DanaGOh, and it even works across VLANs.06:50
DanaGer, through VLANs.06:50
DanaGHmm, is there some better equivalent of Photoshop Elements for Linux?  Gimp is not the same sort of program.07:00
DanaGBy "Better" I mean "not buggy P-O-S"07:04
DanaGyay for wacom:   * Enable input-hotplug: install 10-wacom.fdi in07:08
DanaG    /usr/share/hal/fdi/policy/20thirdparty.07:08
DanaGOh yeah, that reminds me.... synaptics still isn't input-hotpluggable.07:09
DanaG"  * Enable input-hotplug: install 10-synaptics.fdi in07:09
DanaG    /usr/share/hal/fdi/policy/20thirdparty."07:09
DanaGOkay.... does that mean we can set options for two-finger tapping, and such?  If not, it's useless to me.07:09
red_I just upgraded to Intrepid and it killed my X.07:30
skreechmiesterWhoot!07:32
skreechmiesterUpgrade to Y07:32
s0ullightfunny...07:32
skreechmiesterSoon we'll have an AA server :)07:33
red_I got (EE) Failed to load module "v4l" (module does not exist, 0) and the same error for vesa, then it got a fatal error.  Suggestions?07:33
red_Did I miss anything?  This laptop has a bad power connector, which for some reason starts and stops anacron when it gets and loses power.07:36
skreechmiestervideo for linux?07:41
skreechmiesterbah07:41
RAOFIn case he comes back, make sure that he's got xserver-xorg-video-all installed, or at least xserver-xorg-video-vesa!07:45
dexikiixhey07:54
skreechmiesterhay07:56
dexikiixi heard a rumor that broadcom wireless isn't quite as much of a bitch in 8.1007:57
s0ullightthe b43 drivers should be good07:58
DanaGMy experience (not the iwl3945 rant):08:04
DanaGb43 in Hardy == oops on module unload for any reason -- yank card, go to suspend, or just shut down.08:04
bazhangnot a rant?08:04
DanaGb43 in Intrepid: works fine.08:04
bazhangoh, not That rant. :)08:04
s0ullightwhat about iwl496508:05
DanaGhttp://klamstwo.org/evad/archives/5908:05
DanaGI'd probably put it in the same camp.08:05
DanaGLED thingy doesn't apply to me, since I have no such LED.08:05
BUGabundo_workgood morning08:06
DanaGInstead, I have a BIOS-controlled "rfkill" LED (off when killed).08:06
BUGabundo_workhow come still noone got to bug #254434 ?08:06
s0ullightled was working fine for me for my custom 2 6 2608:06
BUGabundo_workDanaG: does your wifi work?08:06
BUGabundo_workI can't turn my kill switch off08:06
BUGabundo_workso no wifi for me08:07
BUGabundo_workon my intel 496508:07
BUGabundo_workDanaG: bug #23084408:07
s0ullightwhen will alpha 4 come out08:07
Hobbseenever.08:07
RAOFs0ullight: Once it's baked.08:07
BUGabundo_works0ullight: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IntrepidReleaseSchedule08:08
BUGabundo_work 16     August 14th              Alpha 408:08
DanaGbug 23084408:08
DanaGwhere's the bot?08:08
BUGabundo_worklol08:08
BUGabundo_workthe bot doenst like it!08:08
BUGabundo_workor it's a sleep!08:08
Hobbsee!help08:09
BUGabundo_workthere he comes08:09
DanaGOh yeah, watch out if you use the killswitch on iwl3945.......08:09
Hobbseeubottu: ping08:09
DanaGfor me, it actually disables the INTERRUPT of the device!08:09
BUGabundo_workdidn't get that DanaG?!08:09
DanaGI have to actually unload and reload the driver to get it back.08:09
skreechmiesterHobbsee: ^_^08:09
Hobbseehey skreechmiester108:09
s0ullightthe cd s in turkey suck08:09
BUGabundo_workwith kernel 2.6.24.18 I was able to do an echo to it and turn it off08:09
s0ullightdownloaded alpha 3 and burned it ... the cd is corrupted08:10
BUGabundo_workDanaG: but on 2.6.26.x that doesn't seem to work08:10
BUGabundo_works0ullight: should have checked the md5 prior to burn08:10
skreechmiesterHobbsee: Takes a bit to take up I find08:11
BUGabundo_workrofl!! ubottu excess flood!08:11
skreechmiester in like 10 minutes it will start shouting in all sorts of lanagues and tongues08:11
skreechmiesterhow are you Hobbsee ?08:11
Hobbseeok08:12
s0ullighthow do i do that in windows?08:13
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DanaGugh, Evince is being all CPU-rapeagey.08:18
DanaGer, was.08:18
DanaGHere's something interesting:08:18
DanaG"when you’re on the move with the lid closed on your business notebook, HP 3D DriveGuard shifts into an enhanced state of protection that is sensitive to very small movements. The enhanced state is applied because this is the mostly likely time for the notebook to be bumped, banged or dropped. In this state, HP 3D DriveGuard parks the head indefinitely so you can safely transport the notebook when you are not in standby mode. HP 3D D08:19
dexikiixcan i get an intrepid LiveCD somewhere?08:19
BUGabundo_workdexikiix: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/08:20
s0ullightdexikiix: yes but i dont know the link08:20
BUGabundo_works0ullight: any md5 program will do that from windows08:20
BUGabundo_workeven imgburn (a free burner)08:21
satishis it safe to upgrade to intrepid from hardy on production machine08:21
s0ullightok08:21
s0ullighttnx08:21
LSD|Ninjas0ullight: most definitely not08:22
LSD|Ninjaoops, satish I meant08:22
RAOFsatish: Only if it's perfectly acceptable for your production machine to, just to pick a current example, have no keyboard or mouse input in X.08:24
BUGabundo_worksatish: no!!!!08:24
BUGabundo_worksee the #topic08:24
s0ullightwhy is ubuntu always using the same kind of names?08:25
LSD|Ninjawhy not?08:25
RAOFBecause sabdfl like them? :)08:25
s0ullightit gets kind of boring with time08:26
s0ullightok they can use poetry but not always the same kind08:26
LSD|Ninjaconsistency is good08:27
s0ullight:D08:27
s0ullightthe idea of gobuntu is interesting gonna give it a try when i return in belgium08:28
LSD|NinjaIf people find it annoying then there's even less reason to change them since people always rememeber stuff like that08:28
dexikiixwait, BUGabundo_work, still here?08:29
DanaGgobuntu?  that's an odd name.08:30
DanaGWhat does "go" have to do with "free"?08:30
DanaGI think "go" has more to do with "mobility" -- i.e.  "on the go".08:30
RAOFIs that the "I hate my graphics/wireless" version?08:30
s0ullightprobably08:31
s0ullightusing opensource nvidia drivers08:31
RAOFWell, you don't have to hate opensource nvidia drivers.  Just not need 3d :)08:36
BUGabundo_workdexikiix: sometimes! working outside of the office! some times I do RDP to my machine!08:36
s0ullighteven nokia will open source symbian os so why doesnt nvidia do so08:37
s0ullightThey claimed that they cannot release open source drivers because "We have lots of IP in our supported closed source Linux driver some of which is licensed and cannot be open sourced.". Well, if Nvidia has copyrighted code in its drivers, then they can surely invest some money in hiring more developers to re-write it. They are a very profitable company, after all.08:37
blizzkidlo all. I received a lot of updates this morning (113), but since then my keyboard and mouse are not working in X anymore. As you can see, keyboard still works from console. Any ideas how to solve this issue?08:37
BUGabundo_workDanaG: s0ullight https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DevelopmentCodeNames08:38
BUGabundo_workthere's the list of names! you can enter  the ones you like!08:38
BUGabundo_worknext time the RANDOM ball rolls, maybe you can get your chance and RENAME a ubuntu version08:39
DanaGGObuntu is not a codename.08:39
Hobbseeblizzkid: known problem.08:40
BUGabundo_workok ok DanaG08:40
BUGabundo_workwill somebody awake ubottu08:40
BUGabundo_workubottu: ping08:41
ubottupong08:41
ubottuping yourself ;-) really the diodes all down my left side are sore08:41
RAOFs0ullight: Oh, I'm not suggesting that nvidia's driver being closed doesn't suck.  Go code on nouveau's 3d support!08:41
BUGabundo_workahhh he is awake now08:41
blizzkidHobbsee: and is there a known solution? ;-)08:41
Hobbseedowngrade xserver-xorg-core, i guess.08:41
blizzkidHobbsee: I'll give that a go08:42
Hobbseeadd 'Option "AllowEmptyInput" "false" to08:44
Hobbsee                  ServerFlags section08:44
Hobbseeblizzkid: ^08:44
blizzkidHobbsee: I'll give it a go08:51
blizzkidmmmz, Hobbsee, I don't even have a ServerFlags section, so I'll have to add it08:53
Hobbseeprobably, yeah08:54
blizzkidbrb08:55
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penany improvements?09:46
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thefishhello12:22
gunashekarhi12:24
thefishmy x seems a bit broken after today's latest updates: cannot type into user/pass boxes, or move mouse. CTRL+ALT+F* works12:35
thefishanyone experience/fix the same?12:35
thefishalso all ttys are unreadable (full of b/w bars)12:36
Hobbseeyes, it's broken.12:36
Hobbsee(the first part)12:36
thefishHobbsee ok cool, thanks - any user-servicable parts?12:36
Hobbseethere was a solution eralier about server flags, but i don't remember what it was12:37
thefishkay, a solution in here? are there logs of this chan?12:37
thefishdoes anyone keep logs of this channel that i can see? just want to have a look for the server flags solution for x...12:40
thefishanyone remember what was said...12:42
thefishHobbsee dont spose you could paste the relevant lines?12:43
jbroome_thefish: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/12:43
thefishcool, thanks jbroome_ :)12:44
Hobbseei said it, if tha thelps.12:47
thefishHobbsee yes thanks i see it12:52
thefishhuzzah! works perfectly - thanks12:53
Hobbsee\o/12:54
aguitelwith the last update ,the mouse usb is not working14:26
thefishaguitel, i just had the same14:29
Hobbseeadd 'Option "AllowEmptyInput" "false" to ServerFlags section14:29
thefishfaster typist....14:30
thefishi never got that kind of prefferential treatment!14:30
* Hobbsee c&p'd.14:30
IdleOnegnomefreak, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox-3.0/+bug/23976314:30
ubottuLaunchpad bug 239763 in firefox-3.0 "Firefox still running warning" [Undecided,Incomplete]14:30
thefishmight be an idea for someone to /topic that..14:30
aguitelthefish, and how do you fix it14:52
wd4lkoanybody know what froze the keyboard and mouse ?15:12
wd4lkowhat froze the keyboard and mouse ?15:16
ssamwd4lko, add 'Option "AllowEmptyInput" "false" to ServerFlags section15:20
ssamof xorg.conf15:20
cypherdelichttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/25438716:05
ubottuLaunchpad bug 254387 in ubuntu "Mediakeys on desktop-keyboards no more work on Ibex." [Undecided,New]16:05
cypherdelicCan somebody agree with me that this bug is fixed with xserver-xorg-input-evdev? Does your media keys work????16:06
cypherdelicneed to reconfigure in gnome-kexbinding-properties16:06
cypherdelicy16:07
cypherdelicoh yes and you have to installed latest packages and did dist-upgrade16:07
cypherdelic;)16:07
cypherdelicanyone with a media-keyboard?16:07
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cypherdelicCan anyone please check if he could manage firefox to handle a different language for the menu??16:16
TheInfinitycypherdelic: you mean its always english?16:18
cypherdelicTheInfinity: exactly16:27
DanaGUsing evdev for keyboard is bad, in my experience -- it breaks vt-switch.16:27
cypherdelicim back from work now my real work begins, bug-filing for ibex 8-/16:28
cypherdelicDanaG: isnt it default, for me it is16:28
cypherdelicDanaG: what is vt-switch16:28
DanaGctrl-alt-f#16:28
TheInfinitycypherdelic: you know that its alpha and lang packages are for lateron? ;)16:29
cypherdelicDanaG: So you mean the blinking cursor at all and no terminals?16:29
cypherdelicTheInfinity: I know its alpha, sry i didnt know that procedure16:30
DanaGThat's a different issue.16:30
cypherdelicjust report bugs :D16:30
DanaGFor me, evdev makes me entirely unable to vt-switch.16:30
DanaGMy current issue is instead that the consoles are broken.16:30
cypherdelicYes but for what kind of work do you need vt-switch16:30
cypherdelicwhy dont you fire up some terminal windows?16:30
DanaGIf Xorg locks up, or such, then it's good to be able to use consoles.16:30
cypherdelicDanaG:  yes, thats right, OK i missed that myself16:31
cypherdelicbut that dont happens often and ALT STRG BACKSPACE works ;)16:32
cypherdelicTheInfinity: i firstly ask here when i find a bug16:33
cypherdelicTheInfinity: so im glad you told me that thiswill be done in a later state, thanks for learning16:33
TheInfinitycypherdelic: sometimes languages are also added in first alphas, depends on the package. alpha is somehow a playing field ;)16:34
cypherdelicTheInfinity: Does boot animation will work in a later state too??16:34
cypherdelicTheInfinity: so why not file a bug relating on firefox languages16:34
TheInfinitybecause "bugs" is known16:35
cypherdelicknow of what?16:35
cypherdelic+n16:35
cypherdelici thought these were Commited Bugs16:35
cypherdelichttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-input-evdev/+bug/25501816:36
ubottuLaunchpad bug 255018 in xserver-xorg-input-evdev "Mousecursor sporadically dissappears, especially when application is busy." [Undecided,New]16:36
cypherdelicis theís a correct "Bug"?16:36
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cypherdelichttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-input-evdev/+bug/25501817:27
ubottuLaunchpad bug 255018 in xserver-xorg-input-evdev "Mousecursor sporadically dissappears, especially when application is busy." [Undecided,New]17:27
cypherdelicLatest Updates require me to remove Java!!!???? what to do?17:34
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cypherdelicLatest Updates require me to remove Java!!!???? what to do?18:44
Trewasdon't upgrade now and wait a bit?18:45
cypherdelici assume wait :)18:45
cypherdelicso i figure out which one is causing that problem and update the other until its fixed18:45
cypherdelicdo i guess right that it never updates automatically if siomething needs to be uninstalled?18:46
Trewasdoes something actually offer automagic (without confirmation) upgrades apart from security upgrades?18:48
cypherdelicno idea?18:48
TrewasI think nothing does, and if someone is using development version of ubuntu they should be able to check what is being upgraded/removed/whatever...18:49
Trewascompared to say, debian unstable, ubuntu's development versions are _very_ exciting at this stage :)18:50
scizzo-Trewas: to be honest if someone is using ubuntu development version and asking questions about what packages are going to be upgraded is not really....well is not used to the system itself....18:59
scizzo-Trewas: using for example: apt-get upgrade would only upgrade the packages that does not require removal......19:00
scizzo-Trewas: apt-get -u dist-upgrade or apt-get -u upgrade lists all the packages for upgrade and asks for confirmation19:01
cypherdelicTrewas: cool thanks19:05
cypherdelicso dependacies would be cool to see19:05
cypherdelictoo19:05
cypherdelicOh really, that unfocused windows missing mouse coursor really bugs me, any ideas?19:08
cypherdelichttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-input-evdev/+bug/25501819:08
ubottuLaunchpad bug 255018 in xserver-xorg-input-evdev "Mousecursor sporadically dissappears, especially when application is busy." [Undecided,New]19:08
cypherdelicdoes a setting to manage this exists or a config file?19:08
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DigitalNinjaDoes anyone know if Alpha 3 will work with VirtualBox? I thought I read somewhere it wouldn't work but I thought I would ask.21:09
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emet!info gnash22:59
ubottugnash (source: gnash): free SWF movie player. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.8.2-0ubuntu3 (intrepid), package size 328 kB, installed size 1000 kB22:59
emet!info flashplugin-nonfree22:59
ubottuflashplugin-nonfree (source: flashplugin-nonfree): Adobe Flash Player plugin installer. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 10.0.1.218+10.0.0.525ubuntu1 (intrepid), package size 18 kB, installed size 164 kB (Only available for i386 amd64 lpia)22:59
emetamd64?!22:59
emetno wai23:00
RAOFemet: Ya, rly.  nspluginwrapper.23:31
redWhen I try to startx, I get the following errors: (EE)Failed to load module "v4l" (module does not exist, 0) the same error for "vesa", and then "Fatal error: no screens found.  Any ideas?23:58

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