[01:18] @now [01:18] Pretto: Current time in Etc/UTC: August 05 2008, 00:18:16 - Next meeting: Community Council in 21 hours 41 minutes [02:06] @now Chicago [02:07] @now CST [02:07] * pwnguin reads harder [02:09] @schedule [02:09] ubottu is gone === Moot2 is now known as MootBot === Moot2 is now known as MootBot === ApOgEE- is now known as ap0 === ap0 is now known as ap0g33 [11:57] TheMuso, persia, elky , hi [11:57] amachu: Good afternoon [11:57] amachu: Hey. [11:57] evening [11:57] who are we missing? [11:58] lifeless: zakame, Belutz [11:58] amachu, your internet was fine until you spoke! [11:58] lol [11:59] hi [12:00] lifeless, hi [12:00] right, is our contestant here? :Þ [12:00] mdamt, hi [12:00] Hello all. [12:00] welcome everyone! [12:01] mdamt: Good nick construction technique :) [12:01] persia: :-) [12:01] so we have lifeless, elky, persia , TheMuso and amachu here? [12:01] Belutz? [12:01] * TheMuso is here. [12:01] zakame? [12:02] he's not in the channel [12:02] sorry for missing last week [12:02] was jetlagged; week before was on a plane [12:02] he is online though [12:03] good, we have five among us [12:03] we will start [12:03] mdamt, do you want to introduce yourself and what you do for Ubuntu? we can fill zakame in later if he comes [12:03] elky, indeed [12:03] mdamt, thats was a nice snap with babies :-) [12:04] mdamt, there? [12:04] Right, so I am an Indonesian currently living in Helsinki Finland. Been in FOSS world since 1997. Been doing some work for Ubuntu Indonesia, administring the mailing list, also involved in BlankOn project as one of Ubuntu Indonesia project. [12:05] possibly typing [12:05] Mainly I work for upstream: GNOME and MAEMO which are used in Ubuntu and Ubuntu Mobile. [12:05] So I guess that's all. [12:06] mdamt, what ubuntu-specific stuff do you do? [12:06] For Ubuntu Membership, we tend to look at contributions specifically to Ubuntu. [12:06] zakame, will pastebin, second [12:06] cool [12:06] For direcly Ubuntu project I also involved in Indonesian L10n in LP. [12:07] zakame, http://pastebin.com/mdf5e41d [12:08] mdamt, cool, how many strings have you translated (i hope this is correct translation terminology) [12:08] got it, thanks elky [12:08] elky: I've never counted it. As many of the translations in LP also came from GNOME which I did with others. [12:09] LP claims 381 for 7 Karma points, but it may not be complete. [12:09] mdamt, so do you do all the admin for the mailing list? [12:10] Yes, I do the id-ubuntu mailing list administration (also with others). [12:13] mdamt: In your testimonials, I see comments about you being the driver behind BlankOn, and possibly planning work with Ubuntu Packaging: have you submitted any packaging work to Ubuntu so far? [12:14] Not yet. But I have some on my list already. Probably after my vacation ends. [12:14] mdamt: Did you bring a fan club to cheer for you at this meeting? [12:15] All of them are missing :-) [12:16] * persia is done with questions [12:16] Belutz had earlier recognized mdamt contributions, couple of weeks back when iang and mdamt were present [12:16] same. mdamt, i see you've done some good work, but im not personally seeing a substantial ubuntu-specific contribution yet. i'm giving a -1 here, and recommending you return after you've done some motu work [12:17] on 22-July-08 [12:17] I agree with elky, but a +0 from me. You seem to be on the right track, but I think we need to see more from you in terms of sustained contributions. [12:17] Right. [12:17] mdamt, remember I felt the same that day. [12:17] amachu, the key is ubuntu-specific. im not comfortable on making someone a member of ubuntu because of their work on a derivative, any more than a debian person would want me a member of debian for my ubuntu work. [12:17] +0, I concur with elky and themuso [12:18] +1 for mdamt [12:18] I think both upstream and downstream work are important - at at the project level we acknowledge that work [12:18] mdamt: I'm also going to vote +0. Positive points for what looks like good work with Inonesian localisation, and previous comments from Belutz. Negative points for not getting more upstream, and not having lots of Ubuntu-specific stuff. [12:18] mdamt, would like to see more details in your wiki page, that shows references to contributions to Ubutu [12:19] but for individual ubuntu membership it needs to be ubuntu-specfic stuff that we are acknowledging [12:19] +0: I see translations going way back to 2005, but I think mdamt can do more :) [12:19] elky, I agree [12:19] Ok. [12:20] mdamt, +0 from me too [12:21] great to see your contributions upstreams. [12:21] consider this an encouragement to do more for ubuntu! :) [12:21] please continue your good work, and hoping to see you back with a bang [12:22] :-) Thanks all. [12:22] we know you do good things! [12:22] good luck mdamt ! [12:22] i think he's all we had, no? [12:23] elky, ? [12:23] amachu, agenda-wise [12:23] yes [12:23] any thing to be shared [12:23] from anyone? [12:24] elky, persia, TheMuso, lifeless : ? [12:24] Not from me. [12:24] probably encourage any countries not yet registered for Software Freedom Day to get registered and spread ubuntu on the most important free/libre open source software event of the year [12:24] I've a vague sense that we ought somehow be coordinating with LoCos to drive more agenda items, but am unlikely to actually do anything about it personally. [12:24] softwarefreedomday.org [12:25] persia, i just make up my own ;) [12:26] elky, We plan to publish rms - Free Software Free Society on SFD [12:26] elky, I will do it, thanks for citing [12:26] persia, that gives me a vague idea too [12:26] amachu, cool. try not to scare the little kids with that ;) [12:27] :-) [12:27] they have Big Buck Bunny to watch [12:27] ;) [12:27] persia, but we need to.. [12:28] persia, but for that we have to be more than Membership Board. Isn't it? [12:28] amachu, ta_IN("Free Software Free Society") ? [12:28] amachu: Certainly. I've just been operating in two-weeks-behind mode for long enough that I'm getting leery of taking new tasks, even when I have an idea that makes me want to do something. [12:28] amachu, BBB is sooooo funny [12:28] techno_freak, yes [12:28] techno_freak, in Tamil [12:29] we had it playing rotation at an expo here in sydney, and half of us kept getting distracted watching it instead of talking to people [12:29] amachu, kewl [12:29] I'm not sure it's "More than membership board" to occasionally bug the LoCos to try to get people to do more and become members. If any of us individually go beyond that, that's the individual's decision. [12:30] persia, agree. we should keep an eye out for regionally-relevent things though [12:30] i should have been bugging people to submit for Linux Conf Au more, but I've been slack [12:30] CFP closes in 3 days [12:30] persia, personally we are doing that. hoping to see atleast two in months to come [12:31] elky: Regionally relevant events, etc? [12:31] persia, conferences in the region [12:32] specifically ones which may have CFP where people can apply to talk about F/LOSS [12:33] elky: That makes sense. I'm not sure it's strictly RMB, but there ought be some wiki pages towards which interested parties can point. The presentations can then go on their wiki pages, and we can review them when the presenters apply for membership. [12:34] persia, i was thinking more for content sake. i'd love to hear more about the events that happen in the asia/oceania region. i generally only hear about them after they've happened, rarely before [12:35] persia, that would be a good idea [12:35] elky: That too. I'm just trying to stretch it to be RMB related :) [12:35] persia, it's giving people ideas to help them, so sort of what you were saying [12:35] * elky thinks through the local-ish events happening/cfp'ing ... [12:36] elky: That makes sense. Want to put up the Events wiki pages, broken regionally? [12:36] foss.in doesnt seem to have the 2009 page going yet [12:37] elky, they are still planning the event, will be out soon [12:37] techno_freak, excellent [12:37] s/they/we/ [12:37] techno_freak, good to know :) [12:37] :) [12:38] elky, hope we can have you this year, we missed you last time :) [12:38] techno_freak, it's so close to another event for me, which is sad :( [12:38] elky, ohh :( [12:38] which i've already been accepted to talk at too [12:39] we will see though, when the dates come out [12:39] :) [12:40] do you know the dates? [12:40] elky, sometime around end of Nov or early December, depends upon availability of venue [12:41] that part i knew. the conf i speak at is dec 3-5 [12:41] elky, oh, will ask and confirm you :) [12:42] persia, sorry missed your suggestion. a noticeboard wikipage would be good [12:42] elky: Thanks :) [12:42] people can add something they want us to mention [12:43] elky, persia, is that all? [12:43] i believe so [12:43] I'm done. [12:44] fine then, thank you every one for participating [12:44] i think TheMuso and lifeless have been stolen by shinier stuff already [12:44] +1 amachu :) [12:44] mdamt, hoping to see you back [12:44] i trust we will [12:45] thank you and this time i have got an un-interrupted connectivity after a long time :-) [12:45] long time ? [12:45] Well, at least the entire length of a meeting: first time I've seen that :) [12:45] persia, yes. [12:46] amachu, lets hope you did not just jinx yourself! [12:46] elky, ;) === Neti_Netwalker1 is now known as Neti [12:47] am leaving now, bye === Neti is now known as Neti_Netwalker [12:47] thanks ll [12:47] *all === Moot2 is now known as MootBot === Moot2 is now known as MootBot [15:27] . === MianoSM0 is now known as MianoSM341431 === MianoSM341431 is now known as mianosm1 [15:59] [o] [15:59] o/ [15:59] hey all [16:00] hey sommer ! [16:00] who else is here for the server team meeting ? [16:00] ping! [16:00] * kirkland <--------- that guy [16:02] OK, I'll do my best to replace the incredible mathiaz, who left for a hazardous trip accross Canada [16:02] hello [16:02] ok, let's start ! [16:02] #startmeeting [16:02] Meeting started at 10:06. The chair is Koon. [16:02] Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] [16:02] o/ [16:03] Today's agenda: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/Meeting [16:03] Previous meeting logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/Server/20080729 [16:03] [TOPIC] Review ACTION points from previous meeting [16:03] New Topic: Review ACTION points from previous meeting [16:03] We have two recorded ACTIONs in last meeting [16:04] kirkland to write a blog post about testing booting from a degraded raid array [16:04] Koon: I have a draft, I'll publish today [16:04] kirkland: great ! [16:04] Koon: I set up my own wordpress account, and linked it to planet.ubuntu, so i'll just push it there myself [16:05] more server blogging, nice [16:05] the second action is nijaba's, not sure he is around [16:05] Koon: I also have an Encrypted Private Dir blog post draft too [16:05] Koon: I was waiting for the latest merge to make it into the archive, as a couple of scripts changed names [16:05] kirkland: ok. [16:05] Koon: that happened overnight [16:06] * nijaba waves [16:06] nijaba to write up a question related to hw and submit it for review to the rest of the server team [16:06] nijaba: did you have the time to progress on that ? [16:06] Koon: I am still waiting for the input from Intel on the subject [16:07] nijaba: ok [16:07] nijaba: keep us posted ! [16:07] I will :) [16:08] Let's review progress made on the specification listed on the Roadmap... [16:08] [TOPIC] Ubuntu VM builder [16:08] New Topic: Ubuntu VM builder [16:08] soren: around ? [16:08] Yes, I am now. Sorry. [16:09] I've stumbled a bit on a parted issue that I'm trying to get sorted out. [16:09] When that's fixed, I shall be very close indeed to having Xen support in VMBuilder as well as KVM. [16:09] Er.. [16:09] I mean, KVM as well as Xen support in VMBuilder. Not Xen support in KVM. [16:09] I seem to remember you wanted to write some very basic doc on how to get it / test it / run it [16:10] Yes, that stalled a bit since there were a few things that were a bit in flux. Those should be sorted out very shortly after I get the parted bug sorted out. [16:10] OK, great! We'll skip the specs assigned to mathiaz and go directly to... [16:10] [TOPIC] Mail server improvements [16:10] New Topic: Mail server improvements [16:11] ScottK is unfortunately not available but asked me to ask again for help on the MIRs [16:12] If anyone is interested in seeing ClamAV and Spamassassin in main, it's a good time to step up [16:12] it occurred to me the other day that it would be really great if we could have a clamd and freshclam enforcing apparmor profile [16:12] That would be in the main repository (suggested/requested at the moment)? [16:12] jdstrand_: that sounds like a nice idea indeed [16:12] with clamav's security history, this would go quite a ways to mitigating its security concerns [16:13] as I may be one of the people reveiwing that bit, I may even require it :) [16:13] mianosm1: yes, see https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/clamav-spamassassin-in-main [16:13] I just wrote one for myself the other day, so I'd be happy to help ScottK or whoever in that regard [16:13] I believe that we need an AV in Main [16:14] jdstrand_: ok great. [16:14] [TOPIC] Boot Support for Degraded RAID [16:14] New Topic: Boot Support for Degraded RAID [16:14] kirkland: we already talked a bit about it in the actions [16:15] anything more ? [16:15] Koon: no additional progress.... I'm going to work on a grub patch this week [16:15] kirkland: ok. [16:15] [TOPIC] Encrypted ~/Private Directory in Each User's Home [16:15] New Topic: Encrypted ~/Private Directory in Each User's Home [16:16] Koon: I will be publishing a blog post today calling for testers [16:16] ok. [16:16] Koon: this item is ready for heavy duty testing [16:16] Koon: it has been promoted to main [16:16] Koon: and kees sponsored a merge yesterday, where I added a bunch of manpages [16:16] Koon: I'm ready for testers! [16:17] me too, but we'll come to that in a moment ;) [16:17] [TOPIC] Migrate new installs and upgrades of client and server packages to use SSL v3 or TLS [16:17] New Topic: Migrate new installs and upgrades of client and server packages to use SSL v3 or TLS [16:17] is my favorite Ante here ? [16:18] apparently not, let's move on [16:18] [TOPIC] Ubuntu Manpage Repository [16:18] New Topic: Ubuntu Manpage Repository [16:18] Dustin strikes again [16:19] Koon: good news on that front too... Kees re-reviewed it again, and it fully passed his audit, full support from him on it. [16:19] Koon: I have an open RT with Canonical IS to take over hosting it [16:19] Koon: I set a loose deadline of end-of-month [16:19] Koon: elmo is on it. [16:20] sounds great ! [16:20] * nijaba hopes elmo is quicker on this one than on the survey server... [16:20] :-/ [16:21] [TOPIC] Review ServerGuide for Intrepid [16:21] New Topic: Review ServerGuide for Intrepid [16:21] sommer: ? [16:21] finished the Kerberos section, and it's ready for review: http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/kerberos.html [16:22] I think that's the last of the big updates for intrepid :) [16:22] ok, so you welcome reviewers now (as always) [16:23] absolutely, the more the merrier [16:23] that reminds me... I've a couple of likewise-open fixes to push to you [16:23] * nealmcb suddenly remembers what time zone he's in.... [16:23] Koon: cool, just let me know [16:23] nealmcb: \o/ [16:24] sommer: on the AD part. I will [16:24] ok, that's all for the specs, I think, let me know if I forgot something [16:25] [TOPIC] Call for likewise-open update testing [16:25] New Topic: Call for likewise-open update testing [16:25] OK, so I've been working on likewise-open updates for Intrepid [16:25] there is test branch up at Likewise with what should become the next version [16:25] (>4.1.0) [16:26] I've been packaging that, there is a lot of nice fixes [16:26] but also potential for nice regressions ;) [16:26] so we'll need some widespread testing before I can push that new version anywhere near main [16:27] A very fresh version is currently building on my PPA [16:27] Koon: EtienneG is working on a WP on the subject, please feel free to feed him news and I am sure he would be a good tester :) [16:27] https://launchpad.net/~tcarrez/+archive [16:27] likewise-open - 4.1.0.2956-0ubuntu1~ppa2 [16:28] ivoks :o/ [16:28] hi [16:28] I've tested that domain join, leave, authentication works correctly, and I already patched two regressions [16:29] I'm especially interested in regressions, since that version won't solve all existing bugs (even if it solves most of them) [16:29] Anyone having been in contact with likewise-open in hardy and wanting to test in intrepid ? [16:30] Koon: I should be able to give it a test this weekend [16:30] if not sooner [16:30] sommer: that's great ! [16:31] I'll do some more thorough testing on the very fresh ppa2 version tomorrow. Just take whatever is the freshest in my PPA at that time [16:31] let's move on [16:31] Koon: do you need the gui part tested as well as the cli? [16:32] sommer: yes [16:32] I found one regression on the GUI (a missing icon) [16:32] a [16:32] not sure there is much more regression potential there... but one never knows [16:33] [TOPIC] Open Discussion [16:33] New Topic: Open Discussion [16:33] macd sent an email to ubuntu-server ML asking for one more MOTU ack for NeilW's passenger package to progress onthe RubyOnRails spec [16:34] whoever is MOTU, has some free time and interest in Ruby call help him [16:34] s/call/can [16:34] anyone else has a subject / item / beer to share with the group ? [16:36] I would just like to thank you guys for all your efforts... [16:36] Koon: have you tried creating a samba share after joining a domain with likewise? [16:36] Koon: just wondering if we need a AD integration section in the samba chapter when likewise does such a good job? [16:37] soren: At OSCON I went to a talk by nat friedmanon that demo'd SUSE's appliance building web site - very impressive.... but it was still in a closed alpha or beta http://en.oreilly.com/oscon2008/public/schedule/detail/4727 [16:37] sommer: yes, with mixed results (I seem to remeber a superfluous password query) [16:38] nealmcb: yeah, I chatted with him and Guy Lunardi on the same subject. We are doing very similar stuff, except that they are not planning to release their web based source code AFAIK [16:38] Koon: mmm... I was just wanting to make sure that permissions and stuff worked using AD users [16:39] Koon: I'll do some more testing with your new package version, thanks [16:39] sommer: there are a few important fixes, one of them is being able to remove likewise-open while a domain is joined without nuking your system [16:39] one other is the service not starting after a reboot issue [16:39] nealmcb: moreover, their supported juice (not the openSuse one) requires an activation code on a per parter basis [16:39] and the last one being a conflict with the current samba in intrepid [16:40] nijaba: too bad. mainly I was thinking the slides would be of interest and the feature set they target is worth considering [16:41] nealmcb: sure, they are. I did not get their slides, did you? [16:41] they're liking kvm more and more also [16:41] [TOPIC] Agree on next meeting date and time [16:41] New Topic: Agree on next meeting date and time [16:41] same place, same time, next week ? [16:42] (mathiaz should be back!) [16:42] sure [16:42] nijaba: I haven't seen them yet [16:42] * nijaba will be in vacation next week [16:42] * ivoks is at the vacation right now :) [16:42] the slides should have been up on the web last week as I understand it [16:42] * nealmcb is also vacationing [16:42] my vacation starts next Wednesday so I should be there [16:42] no fair :( [16:43] ivoks: I'll be in the mountains with no laptop/network access, not even gsm :( [16:43] Irvine - classic sunny california [16:43] Cassis - classic sunny French Riviera [16:43] nijaba: uff... french alps? [16:43] and next week in Flagstaff AZ - and I'll be here.... [16:43] * nijaba will be in Yosemite if it has not burned before... [16:43] Thanks all for coming ! [16:44] hmmm - oops - maybe not - somewhere in New Mexico.... [16:44] ivoks: yosemite: california [16:44] * nealmcb will ping nat for the slides [16:44] thanks nealmcb [16:44] thanks for hosting the meeting Koon [16:45] nice job [16:45] thanks Koon, later on all [16:45] thanks Koon [16:45] later all [16:45] #endmeeting [16:45] Meeting finished at 10:49. [16:45] quick meeting! [16:45] nealmcb: I like it quick ;) [16:45] ... [16:45] @schedule rome [16:45] emgent: Schedule for Europe/Rome: 06 Aug 00:00: Community Council | 06 Aug 22:00: Maryland LoCo IRC | 07 Aug 14:00: Ubuntu Mobile Team | 07 Aug 16:00: Ubuntu Java Team | 08 Aug 02:00: Americas Board | 08 Aug 06:00: Ubuntu MOTU === tomaw__ is now known as Guest1918 === juliux_ is now known as Guest47928 === philwyett_ is now known as philwyett === nixternal_ is now known as nixternal === bdmurray_ is now known as bdmurray === Rinchen is now known as Rinchen-sprintin === MianoSM2 is now known as MianoSM === Guest47928 is now known as juliux [19:52] @now Helsinki [19:52] Myrtti: Current time in Europe/Helsinki: August 05 2008, 21:52:25 - Next meeting: Community Council in 3 hours 7 minutes [19:53] @hug Myrtti [19:53] meh. [19:54] I got UTC and BST mixed up [20:03] @now Taipei [20:03] bazhang: Current time in Asia/Taipei: August 06 2008, 03:03:04 - Next meeting: Community Council in 2 hours 56 minutes [20:03] bazhang: GO TO SLEEP [20:04] * Myrtti pats bazhang's tush and points bed [20:04] too late Myrtti :) [20:04] rockabye baaaby on a tree tooooopp [20:04] :) [20:04] oh wait is that sev? === Rinchen-sprintin is now known as Rinchen-sprint [20:09] Rinchen-sprint, "Sprintchen"? [20:10] hehe that's me [20:10] * bazhang waves to Seveas [20:11] @schedule Vancouver [20:11] nellery: Schedule for America/Vancouver: 05 Aug 15:00: Community Council | 06 Aug 13:00: Maryland LoCo IRC | 07 Aug 05:00: Ubuntu Mobile Team | 07 Aug 07:00: Ubuntu Java Team | 07 Aug 17:00: Americas Board | 07 Aug 21:00: Ubuntu MOTU === stefan_ is now known as der-captain-hh [20:34] meh. [20:41] @schedule berlin [20:41] dennda: Schedule for Europe/Berlin: 06 Aug 00:00: Community Council | 06 Aug 22:00: Maryland LoCo IRC | 07 Aug 14:00: Ubuntu Mobile Team | 07 Aug 16:00: Ubuntu Java Team | 08 Aug 02:00: Americas Board | 08 Aug 06:00: Ubuntu MOTU === arualavi_ is now known as arualavi === afflux is now known as plopperpalappipl === plopperpalappipl is now known as afflux [21:59] @schedule chicago [21:59] pwnguin: Schedule for America/Chicago: 05 Aug 17:00: Community Council | 06 Aug 15:00: Maryland LoCo IRC | 07 Aug 07:00: Ubuntu Mobile Team | 07 Aug 09:00: Ubuntu Java Team | 07 Aug 19:00: Americas Board | 07 Aug 23:00: Ubuntu MOTU [22:01] @schedule vancouver [22:01] Burgundavia: Schedule for America/Vancouver: 05 Aug 15:00: Community Council | 06 Aug 13:00: Maryland LoCo IRC | 07 Aug 05:00: Ubuntu Mobile Team | 07 Aug 07:00: Ubuntu Java Team | 07 Aug 17:00: Americas Board | 07 Aug 21:00: Ubuntu MOTU [22:02] moo [22:02] super-moo [22:03] mootastic [22:03] doing two meetings at once (one in RL, one in irc), may be distracted [22:04] @now [22:04] Seveas: Current time in Etc/UTC: August 05 2008, 21:04:00 - Next meeting: Community Council in 55 minutes [22:04] meeting is in an hour :) [22:04] evening [22:04] doh [22:04] eh? [22:04] evening all [22:04] it says 21:00 UTC on the wiki [22:04] meeting is now [22:05] popey: right [22:05] ah, fridge is off [22:05] Seveas: when I looked at the fridge calendar earlier today, it was right [22:05] who's present, do we have quorum? [22:05] yeah, it's right - http://fridge.ubuntu.com/node/1550 [22:06] here, kinda:) [22:06] bot's broken then [22:06] elmo and Burgundavia are due, I think [22:06] elmo just popped in and out [22:07] * Burgundavia is here [22:07] ok, then let's begin, elmo will have scrollback [22:07] mdke: you're up [22:08] sabdfl: I believe that the first two items were discussed at a past meeting, although i wasn't around [22:08] ok, we're all agreed on your LP lists item [22:09] i can raise the matter again with the LP developers [22:09] I'm happy that doesn't need further discussion [22:09] have you noticed an improvement since this was discussed publicly? [22:09] i think encouraging unofficial lists to be on LP is sensible, because it will make it easier to migrate them to being "official" later [22:09] sabdfl: I haven't been paying close attention; but I saw that LP lists are still being recommended around the place. I have been meaning for some time to followup on your email and discuss it with jorge/jono [22:10] yes, agreed on the unofficial bit [22:10] ok, i'll start a new thread [22:10] could you turn this text into a more official statement from the CC, and put it on the mailing lists page? [22:10] sabdfl: sure, let me follow up on your last email and we'll take it forward from there [22:11] i'll start a new thread to shotgun and make sure we've got coverage of LP senior devs as well as ops [22:11] :) [22:12] what is the status of item 2 (Danish Team as legal entity)? [22:12] that was also discussed in the past, I think [22:12] it's waiting from a response from me [22:13] i can't think of a good specific reason to say no, other than that it's not worked well in the past, elsewhere [22:13] or rather, it has caused problems elsewhere, for Jane and others at Canonical [22:13] because, when things go wrong, we feel obliged to step in and help [22:13]