| persia | ogra: I think having a consistent /dev/touchscreen is an excellent idea, but I think that it ought be achieved by udev rules, rather than a script using ln -s. | 01:45 |
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| persia | If you look at the Q1U config, it has a udev rule that matches the specific model: perhaps this could be expanded to support a wider variety of touchscreens. | 01:46 |
| persia | Err. /dev/input/touchscreen | 01:46 |
| ogra | well, i discussed the idea with Keybuk and bryce ... and they convinced me to rather try to get it properly into hal | 01:46 |
| ogra | so the whole config can be handled there and is dynamic | 01:47 |
| ogra | my attempt was a bit shortsighted and only actually targets the current situation ... which will not be the intrpid situation | 01:47 |
| persia | ogra: Hmm. That is better, and yes, doesn't work without the new xinput2 stuff. | 01:48 |
| ogra | it would be a good solution for hardy though with your point to use udev it would even be better | 01:48 |
| persia | In the Q1U images, we do use udev, just with a very tight udev rule matching only one device. | 01:49 |
| ogra | but i will take a deep look into hal-input i think ... as soon as time permits | 01:49 |
| persia | Yeah, I've been meaning to do that as well. It is the future. | 01:49 |
| ogra | we can use udev to trigger hal | 01:49 |
| persia | Well, do we want /dev/input/touchscreen for legacy purposes? If not, we can just trigger hal when adding any input device, and let hal-input sort it out | 01:50 |
| ogra | right | 01:50 |
| ogra | dev wont matter in the hal case | 01:50 |
| ogra | v/dev i mean | 01:50 |
| persia | The only case where one wouldn't want that is for MIDI, as the programming for MIDI is currently too different to handle generally. | 01:50 |
| ogra | depends, i guess even that can be made workable by hal | 01:51 |
| * persia was looking at indamixx press recently | 01:51 | |
| persia | Not for intrepid. For later, maybe. | 01:52 |
| ogra | btw, do you know the reason why Mouse0 in the config isnt using /dev/input/mice as it should be, but /dev/input/mouseX ? | 02:04 |
| ogra | using mice here makes all additionally attached pointing devices work as well ... (i.e. the trackball of my wreless kbd and my usb mouse) | 02:04 |
| persia | No idea at all. That was frustrating to me, as it required adjustment to work on my hardware (or else only the touchpad worked, not the joystick or the touchscreen) | 02:05 |
| ogra | right | 02:05 |
| ogra | with /dev/input/mice all works equally fine | 02:05 |
| ogra | i wonder if we can get that as fix in | 02:05 |
| ogra | we'll likely need to re-roll an updated image for the speedup stuff i guess | 02:06 |
| persia | Do you think /dev/input/mice is SRU-worthy? | 02:10 |
| ogra | not sure, i'd like to hear other opinions and hear from testers first | 02:10 |
| ogra | it might just work because of the module order i used for loading them | 02:11 |
| ogra | (which indeed would indicate a worse bug in udev/modprobe somewhere) | 02:14 |
| persia | Why? /dev/input/eventx is populated in module loading order with increasing X. The same is true to a lesser degree for /dev/input/mouseX and /dev/input/jsX (why don't we support multiple keyboards like that). | 02:15 |
| persia | Well, not module loading order exactly, but hardware plug event order, which is strongly influenced by module loading order | 02:16 |
| ogra | i guess because we dont have a /dev/kbd | 02:16 |
| ogra | hmm | 02:17 |
| ogra | we do | 02:17 |
| persia | Well, it has been there in the past. Just more confusion because X has it's own keyboard drivers (which is frustrating when one has an interesting keyboard-like device) | 02:17 |
| ogra | and i assume thats exactly what hal-input will do | 02:17 |
| ogra | my leyboard is /dev/input/event1 here | 02:18 |
| ogra | *keyboard | 02:18 |
| persia | Well, some of that. There's still differences with the console, as it doesn't tend to use hal-input. | 02:18 |
| ogra | it should then :) | 02:18 |
| persia | Have you looked at the input-utils package? I find it very useful when looking at input stuff. | 02:18 |
| persia | Should a VC really depend on a running HAL? That's an interesting direction. | 02:19 |
| ogra | no, i just dug around in hal-device-manager | 02:19 |
| ogra | err | 02:19 |
| ogra | gnome-device-manager | 02:19 |
| ogra | ... was renamed | 02:19 |
| persia | Ah. Install it: `lsinput` is a much simpler interface :) | 02:19 |
| persia | MInd you, input-utils seems to need more root access than one would expect, but ... | 02:20 |
| ogra | i think hal should as abstraction layer indeed handle all HW at some point | 02:20 |
| ogra | and afaik devicekit is trying to solve that | 02:21 |
| persia | Mind you, `cat /proc/bus/input/devices can be similarly informative. | 02:21 |
| persia | Yeah: having a central abstraction layer would be nice. With a bit of extension, it ought be able to handle 漢字 entry cleanly in the console as well. | 02:23 |
| ogra | well, thats what hal reads | 02:23 |
| ogra | not /proc but the equivalent in sysfs | 02:23 |
| ogra | and /proc is suposed to vanish since linux 2.6.0 was released | 02:24 |
| CShadowRun | Is there any devices that actually run ubuntu mobile nicely, and are released? | 02:25 |
| CShadowRun | and ubuntu mobile is linux, so i can use most of my stuff i run on my pc on the mobile device (Providing it's not too resource intensive obviously) | 02:25 |
| ogra | A samsung Q1 runs it over here, and yes, ubuntu mobile uses the standard ubuntu archive you can theoretically install everything from apache up to gnome | 02:27 |
| CShadowRun | and is there any way to test ubuntu mobile without installing KVM, KVM seriously borked my computer last time i tried to use it. | 02:27 |
| CShadowRun | nice :) | 02:27 |
| CShadowRun | like, could i try it out in virtualbox? that'd be nice. | 02:27 |
| persia | CShadowRun: Pretty much any device with an A100, A110, or Atom processor ought work fine. Best experience for 1024x600 screens, and many things are optimised for the Samsung Q1U. | 02:27 |
| ogra | i did try it in virtualbox, but you need to manually convert the image wiht qemu to a vbox image | 02:28 |
| persia | There's been talk about virtualbox images, but I don't know of any published ones. | 02:28 |
| persia | ogra: How does one do that? | 02:28 |
| ogra | and to get a proper screen size you need the vbox modules in the image | 02:28 |
| ogra | there is a qemu command to convert it | 02:28 |
| CShadowRun | if someone could talk me through that it'd be nice | 02:29 |
| CShadowRun | i'm really into the idea of ubuntu mobile :D | 02:29 |
| CShadowRun | specially the python part, hehe | 02:29 |
| CShadowRun | as i say, i tried to apt-get install KVM before, and my entire system froze while "setting up kvm", and then my package manager was completely broken, because every time i did the dpkg command to repair, it tried to install kvm again :x | 02:30 |
| CShadowRun | after doing dpkg like 5 times it did finally go through, then i had to try another 2 times to remove the blasted thing because it broke virtualbox, lol | 02:30 |
| ogra | qemu-img convert <your qemu image>.img <raw image of your quemu image>.bin | 02:30 |
| CShadowRun | cool | 02:31 |
| CShadowRun | then what would i do with the output file? | 02:31 |
| ogra | vditool DD <final vbox image>.vdi <raw image of your quemu image>.bin | 02:31 |
| CShadowRun | ok :) | 02:31 |
| ogra | vditool is shipped with vbox | 02:31 |
| ogra | its a two step thing and the resulting image is a good bunch bigger than the qemu one | 02:32 |
| ogra | due to the step through the raw image | 02:32 |
| CShadowRun | hehe providing it's not more than like 800GB... | 02:33 |
| CShadowRun | lol | 02:33 |
| ogra | heh, no | 02:33 |
| ogra | but my vbox image is 5G vs the 2G qemu uses | 02:33 |
| CShadowRun | while file do i want? mid-8.04.1-kvm.tar.gz ? | 02:33 |
| ogra | hmm, no idea, i built my on image with the builder back then ... it was before release ... | 02:34 |
| CShadowRun | lol | 02:34 |
| ogra | but i suspect the kvm one is right | 02:34 |
| CShadowRun | kk :) | 02:34 |
| CShadowRun | the only other options are a few mccaslin and a few menlow ones. | 02:34 |
| * ogra slaps forehead | 02:35 | |
| StevenK | CShadowRun: They are install images. | 02:35 |
| CShadowRun | ok :) | 02:35 |
| ogra | i just see vditool has a SHRINK command | 02:35 |
| CShadowRun | so i want the kvm one then | 02:35 |
| CShadowRun | ogra haha | 02:35 |
| CShadowRun | downloading that now, it'll be done in 15 minutes :p | 02:35 |
| ogra | well, diskspace is cheap :P | 02:35 |
| persia | Well, not too cheap: there seems to still be demand for 2G devices. | 02:36 |
| ogra | heh | 02:36 |
| ogra | sadly | 02:36 |
| ogra | life would be easier without them ... | 02:36 |
| persia | Indeed, given that 4G solid state is available in 130g devices these days... | 02:36 |
| ogra | at least my life :P | 02:36 |
| CShadowRun | hehe, personally i probably would buy a 2G | 02:37 |
| CShadowRun | and use a flash drive to install things on | 02:37 |
| CShadowRun | because SSD is so much more expensive than flash | 02:37 |
| CShadowRun | plus with flash you can carry a bunch with you :D | 02:37 |
| persia | SSD usually is flash. | 02:37 |
| CShadowRun | yea but they charge so much more for it compared to a USB flash stick | 02:37 |
| CShadowRun | (because it's new, and cool.) | 02:37 |
| persia | That will go away soon. It's also just sizing. | 02:38 |
| CShadowRun | aye :) | 02:38 |
| ogra | yeah | 02:38 |
| persia | Anyway, the issue is more with the base install. 4G gives enough space to not *require* extra flash devices for basic use. With 2G one needs to mangle the install images to try to get enough local space. | 02:39 |
| ogra | yeah :( | 02:39 |
| * persia has never had a 2G device, so maybe isn't very sympathetic | 02:39 | |
| ogra | its a pain | 02:39 |
| ogra | but i have still some ideas to save more space i didnt work on yet :) | 02:40 |
| CShadowRun | lol the Q1U looks nice | 02:40 |
| CShadowRun | i found a B-Grade one for $686 | 02:40 |
| persia | CShadowRun: It has the least useful keyboard I've ever seen on a device. It's also larger than you would expect. Other than that, it's pretty good. | 02:40 |
| ogra | i must admt i can imagine to get used to it if i wuldnt have a coice | 02:41 |
| ogra | *admit | 02:41 |
| StevenK | But why would you want to? It would turn your hands into claws not even suitable for console gaming after prolonged use | 02:42 |
| CShadowRun | lol i do admit it looks a bit ugly | 02:42 |
| ogra | its all about finger memory and getting your thumbs right | 02:42 |
| persia | The new Kohjinsha Atom boxes are awfully nice. Smaller than the samsung, but in a convertible tablet form-factor (and still with ~7" 1024x600) | 02:43 |
| StevenK | ogra: And not hitting four keys with your Western-size thumb? | 02:43 |
| persia | ogra: You mean putting your thumbs in a pencil sharpener? | 02:43 |
| ogra | i mean i cant imagine messaging 200 words in 10 min with my mobile with one finger, but i know people who can | 02:43 |
| persia | StevenK: It's not just Western thumbs: I say that even thumbs on this side of the world rarely fit. | 02:43 |
| ogra | persia, something like that :) | 02:43 |
| CShadowRun | anything else thats "officially" (Or going to be officially) supported by ubuntu mobile? | 02:44 |
| CShadowRun | apart from the Q1 | 02:44 |
| persia | ogra: I've seen people typing faster than that on mobiles, but the keys are bigger. | 02:44 |
| CShadowRun | i'm quite a fan of the XDA execs look, something like that would be awsome :p | 02:44 |
| ogra | right, they are | 02:44 |
| persia | CShadowRun: Anything with a Intel A110, A100, or Atom processor ought work. With luck, things should work with VIA C7-M or AMD Geode. | 02:45 |
| CShadowRun | i see | 02:45 |
| CShadowRun | lol cool so it's happy in an EEEPC | 02:45 |
| CShadowRun | EEE is so tempting. | 02:45 |
| persia | Well, it's not happy yet. It should work, but nobody has yet reported that it does. On the other hand, nobody has explained why it doesn'T. | 02:46 |
| persia | Perhaps it will do better on the Atom EeePCs | 02:46 |
| CShadowRun | yea thats what i meant | 02:46 |
| ogra | which are out since a week or so | 02:47 |
| persia | Sure, but we've not a test report yet :) | 02:47 |
| ogra | two guys in #ltsp got theirs on monday | 02:47 |
| CShadowRun | huh? i found them available on google shopping already | 02:48 |
| ogra | the 901 atom ? | 02:48 |
| CShadowRun | yes | 02:48 |
| ogra | they didnt ship until very recently | 02:48 |
| CShadowRun | well they appear to be up, theres a bunch of them up :) | 02:48 |
| CShadowRun | and acer seem to make some too | 02:48 |
| persia | Yep. Now that they've shipped, they are shipping in volume. | 02:48 |
| ogra | you could order them since a month or so at amazon though | 02:48 |
| ogra | there re more to come | 02:49 |
| ogra | honestly i would wait a bit for more beautiful and cheaper devices | 02:49 |
| persia | That's the unfortunate thing about devices: it's always better to wait another few months (although it is nice to have something to use) | 02:49 |
| * ogra is not an eee fan .... chepa keyboard and ugly case | 02:49 | |
| ogra | *cheap | 02:49 |
| persia | Also in the unfortunate form factor: too big for the pocket, too small for serious use. | 02:50 |
| CShadowRun | the sharp D4 looks nice | 02:50 |
| ogra | if they at least were slim | 02:50 |
| CShadowRun | thats the sorta thing i'd love to get my hands on :p | 02:50 |
| CShadowRun | yea maybe | 02:50 |
| persia | CShadowRun: That is a lovely device. The keyboard feels nice. Fits in the pocket. | 02:50 |
| CShadowRun | sweet | 02:50 |
| CShadowRun | thats the sorta thing i'd love to get my hands on | 02:51 |
| persia | CShadowRun: Where are you? It is likely one can be shipped. | 02:51 |
| CShadowRun | UK | 02:51 |
| ogra | heh, and runs vista by default | 02:52 |
| CShadowRun | well yea, but that can be changed :D | 02:52 |
| CShadowRun | there we go, download finished, i have a kvm file and a qcow2 file | 02:52 |
| persia | Hmm. Neither trisoft nor dynamism is shipping the D4 yet. I don't know anyone else who ships to the UK. | 02:53 |
| CShadowRun | aww. | 02:53 |
| persia | Dynamism does have the kohjinsha SC though (although it's still a little big) | 02:54 |
| * ogra twiddles thumbs ... 5 min to go fo rmy upload | 02:55 | |
| CShadowRun | yea thats quite nice :) | 02:55 |
| CShadowRun | hmm, thats odd | 02:56 |
| CShadowRun | i have virtualbox installed, but i don't appear to have vditool | 02:56 |
| CShadowRun | ubuntu tells me to install the open source edition :p | 02:56 |
| ogra | i have it in /usr/bin/vditool | 02:57 |
| ogra | with the packages from the archive | 02:57 |
| persia | ogra: Which package provides /usr/bin/vditool for you? | 02:57 |
| CShadowRun | nope, not there for me :( | 02:57 |
| ogra | ogra@osiris:~$ dpkg -S /usr/bin/vditool | 02:57 |
| ogra | virtualbox-ose: /usr/bin/vditool | 02:57 |
| CShadowRun | not even on my computer, did a search lol | 02:58 |
| CShadowRun | i did a dpkg -L on my virtualbox, and it's not been installed. | 02:58 |
| CShadowRun | must only be included in the OSE version :S | 02:58 |
| ogra | but you use the nonfree version | 02:58 |
| ogra | i never tried that | 02:58 |
| CShadowRun | ah | 03:00 |
| CShadowRun | and these files that ubuntu came in arn't img files | 03:00 |
| CShadowRun | one is a kvm one is a qcow2 | 03:00 |
| persia | qcow2 is the image file, and ought be able to be converted. | 03:01 |
| CShadowRun | with qemu-img convert root.qcow2 raw.img | 03:02 |
| CShadowRun | right? | 03:02 |
| persia | I think so, but I've not done that, so I'm guessing. | 03:02 |
| CShadowRun | now the only problem is vditool then :) | 03:03 |
| persia | For that you probably need virtualbox-ose | 03:03 |
| CShadowRun | i managed to find a copy of it on the web but it says i don't have libuuid.so.1 | 03:03 |
| * CShadowRun tries installing the dev package | 03:03 | |
| CShadowRun | i do have it though :/ | 03:05 |
| CShadowRun | it's a symlink in /lib that points to libuuid.so.1.2 | 03:06 |
| * ogra updates http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/classmate/images/hardy/ and prepares to finally get some sleep | 03:06 | |
| ogra | phew ... that was a long day today | 03:07 |
| CShadowRun | hehe | 03:07 |
| * ogra waves .... | 03:12 | |
| ogra | night all | 03:12 |
| CShadowRun | night :( | 03:13 |
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| cshadowrun | I installed the ubuntu mobile package on my laptop | 18:40 |
| cshadowrun | but all it seems to do is like install a few new applications :( | 18:40 |
| ogra | cshadowrun, what did you expect to happen ? | 19:04 |
| ogra | th eubuntu-mobile package is a metapackage used to pull in the default set of applicaions into a mobile imae build | 19:05 |
| ogra | *image | 19:05 |
| ogra | (like all metapackages in ubuntu) | 19:05 |
| cshadowrun | uh | 19:07 |
| cshadowrun | i expected it to be like a diffrent desktop session or something | 19:07 |
| cshadowrun | so i could try it out just like it was a phone | 19:07 |
| cshadowrun | :( | 19:07 |
| cshadowrun | thats what i wanna do | 19:07 |
| ogra | then you would need ot install the whole image | 19:10 |
| cshadowrun | how do i do that? | 19:10 |
| ogra | but that wuld wipe your disk, the installer in hardy isnt very intelligent about such stuff | 19:10 |
| cshadowrun | thats fine | 19:10 |
| cshadowrun | i wanna test it on my laptop which has no data on it anyway | 19:10 |
| ogra | you can try the mccaslin image from the link in the channel topic | 19:11 |
| cshadowrun | is it an iso? | 19:11 |
| ogra | dd that to a usb key, boo from it and let the installer do its work | 19:11 |
| cshadowrun | oh | 19:11 |
| ogra | nope, n .img file | 19:11 |
| cshadowrun | how big usb key do i need? | 19:11 |
| ogra | 1Gn shoudl suffice | 19:12 |
| cshadowrun | i only have 512 :( | 19:12 |
| cshadowrun | wonder if i could run ubuntu off this image file | 19:14 |
| cshadowrun | s/ubuntu/virtualbox | 19:14 |
| ogra | http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/mobile/releases/hardy/ says the mid-8.04.1-mccaslin-install-usb.img is only 501 | 19:17 |
| ogra | so 512M might work | 19:17 |
| cshadowrun | maybe | 19:17 |
| cshadowrun | ubuntu says the total capacity is 495.2MB | 19:20 |
| cshadowrun | :< | 19:20 |
| ogra | formatted as ext2/3 ? | 19:20 |
| cshadowrun | nah, msdos | 19:21 |
| ogra | note that this usually reserves 5% for root | 19:21 |
| ogra | ah, k | 19:21 |
| cshadowrun | maybe i can get this img file to load in virtualbox | 19:21 |
| ogra | you need to grab the kvm image for that and convert it to a vbox image | 19:22 |
| cshadowrun | oh cool i already got that :p | 19:22 |
| cshadowrun | only problem is vditool doesn't work on 64bit | 19:23 |
| cshadowrun | but i guess i can use my laptop to convert it | 19:23 |
| ogra | right | 19:23 |
| ogra | or build a 32bit chroot | 19:23 |
| cshadowrun | ? | 19:23 |
| ogra | debootstrap --arch i386 hardy ./chroot | 19:24 |
| ogra | that would build a chroot for 32bit in ./chroot | 19:24 |
| cshadowrun | that sounds complicated, i'll just use my laptop :p | 19:25 |
| ogra | with: sudo chroot ./chroot you can enter that and execute 32bit apps inside | 19:25 |
| cshadowrun | havn't been using linux for all that long. | 19:25 |
| cshadowrun | nah it has like library issues | 19:25 |
| cshadowrun | it says i have missing librarys (But i dont) | 19:25 |
| Maverick2k | computer says no ;) | 19:25 |
| cshadowrun | exactly :) | 19:26 |
| ogra | computer is silly ! | 19:26 |
| ogra | :) | 19:26 |
| Maverick2k | but chroot is not that hard, you will create a user space for 32 bits | 19:27 |
| ogra | right | 19:27 |
| Maverick2k | and within that console you could do anything for your image | 19:28 |
| ogra | just takes a bit of time and diskspace but is handy for caese like the above | 19:28 |
| cshadowrun | so what do i have to do with the ubuntu.kvm and root.qcow2 to run them in vbox? | 19:28 |
| ogra | *cases | 19:28 |
| ogra | you need to convert the .kvm image to a raw one with qemu | 19:28 |
| ogra | then convert the raw image to a vbox one | 19:29 |
| cshadowrun | qemu-img convert ubuntu.kvm raw.img right? | 19:29 |
| cshadowrun | or qemu-img convert root.qcow2 raw.img | 19:29 |
| cshadowrun | because theres 2 files in the kvm package o.o | 19:29 |
| ogra | i think its the qcow, not sure though | 19:31 |
| cshadowrun | kk doing that | 19:32 |
| cshadowrun | what next? | 19:32 |
| ogra | use vditool to make a vbox image from that | 19:32 |
| cshadowrun | yea, now i meet with the vditool problem again :( | 19:32 |
| cshadowrun | it's not included in the binary virtualbox, and if i download it from someplace it says i have a missing libuuid | 19:33 |
| cshadowrun | which i don't, it's in /lib :x | 19:33 |
| cshadowrun | ./vditool: error while loading shared libraries: libuuid.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory. | 19:34 |
| ogra | its in the vitrualbox-ose package in the ubuntu archive | 19:37 |
| ogra | sorry i never tried any other vbox verson | 19:38 |
| cshadowrun | i have the binary version already installed | 19:38 |
| cshadowrun | i needed usb support | 19:38 |
| ogra | *version | 19:38 |
| cshadowrun | the version of vditool on the website must be broken | 19:40 |
| cshadowrun | theres no other way about it, my laptop has exactly the same files as my pc does, and it doesn't work on my pc. | 19:40 |
| * cshadowrun sighs and splits raw.img into a bunch of parts so i can transfer with usb drive | 19:50 | |
| cshadowrun | urgh this job is gonna make me want to stab my eyes out with a fork. | 19:53 |
| cshadowrun | 14 parts. | 19:53 |
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| cshadowrun | hey, anyone know how ubuntu mobile is on a Nokia N810 ? | 22:20 |
| cshadowrun | is everything supported? (GPS, Wifi, Bluetooth) | 22:20 |
| ogra | N810 has an ARM CPU | 22:23 |
| ogra | arm is not yet supported by ubuntu | 22:23 |
| ogra | (work i on the way though) | 22:23 |
| ogra | *is | 22:23 |
| cshadowrun | aww. | 22:24 |
| cshadowrun | i wish there was a list of them lol | 22:30 |
| ogra | list ? | 22:30 |
| cshadowrun | like a list of ubuntu mobile compatible devices | 22:31 |
| ogra | h, yeah | 22:31 |
| ogra | we should assembel something like that, but that needs more community involvement | 22:31 |
| cshadowrun | yea | 22:32 |
| ogra | i.e. people that are brave enough to trash their existing installs on their mobile devices and report back if it worked :) | 22:32 |
| GrueMaster | currently, essentially anything with an x86 core can be supported. Images are specific to Intel chipsets at the moment. | 22:32 |
| ogra | right | 22:32 |
| ogra | but we dont now which devices specifically | 22:32 |
| cshadowrun | exactly :) | 22:32 |
| ogra | beyond the handfull we develop on | 22:32 |
| cshadowrun | it'd be nice to have a page with pictures and specs. | 22:33 |
| ogra | feel free to trigger something by making a call for testers on the mailing list ;) | 22:33 |
| GrueMaster | Don't need to know. All you need to know is that Menlow images work with the Intel SCH500 chipset, and the Mccaslin images work with the 9xx series chipsets. | 22:34 |
| ogra | and setting up a wikipage | 22:34 |
| GrueMaster | specific hardware support can be tweaked in from there. | 22:34 |
| ogra | right but isnt there out of the box | 22:34 |
| ogra | people with not much tech knowledge will want to know if it just works for them | 22:35 |
| cshadowrun | exactly my thoughts :D | 22:35 |
| ogra | so an overview page would indeed make sense | 22:35 |
| ogra | and having some brave people helping testing and developing the device specific patches would help even more | 22:35 |
| GrueMaster | UME in it's current form is difficult to make out of the box support for a lot of systems. It's too bad there isn't a better installation method. | 22:36 |
| ogra | that will get better with intrepid | 22:37 |
| ogra | and even if the ubiquity approach wouldnt work i have an installer thats working well and can easily be adjusted which i wrote for the classmate image i maintain since a year | 22:37 |
| ogra | so *something* will be there in intrepid | 22:38 |
| GrueMaster | cool | 22:39 |
| ogra | (preferably ubiquity indeed, since its slick) | 22:39 |
| cshadowrun | :) | 22:39 |
| cshadowrun | does anyone here actually own a ubuntu MID? :) | 22:41 |
| GrueMaster | I don't personally own one, but I work on them. | 22:44 |
| cshadowrun | got any names of some devices that work nice currently so i can look them up? :) | 22:44 |
| ogra | well, most deveopment is done on the samung Q1 ultra atm | 22:45 |
| cshadowrun | aww, they arn't that nice though | 22:46 |
| cshadowrun | and they are pretty expensive | 22:46 |
| ogra | get 100000 people to buy one and they get cheaper :P | 22:47 |
| cshadowrun | lmao | 22:47 |
| ogra | thats the rules of the market :) | 22:47 |
| GrueMaster | YOu could also use the Asus Eee PC. It's almost the same hardware (sans touch screen). | 22:48 |
| cshadowrun | oh well it does have a touch screen so thats a bonus. | 22:48 |
| cshadowrun | yea, i want a handheld though | 22:49 |
| cshadowrun | already got a pair of laptops :p | 22:49 |
| ogra | btw did you get your vbox setup running ? | 22:49 |
| GrueMaster | Actually, it's about the same size, just in a clamshell with a fuller keyboard. | 22:49 |
| cshadowrun | ogra still transfering the file from my laptop, LAN is really slow :( | 22:49 |
| cshadowrun | 1:22 ETA :< | 22:49 |
| ogra | phew | 22:49 |
| cshadowrun | yea but i'm after something i can "Walk down the street™" with | 22:50 |
| ogra | yeah, desktop PCs are not really handy for that especially the generator you need to pull behind you | 22:51 |
| cshadowrun | yea, same with laptops | 22:51 |
| cshadowrun | unless you wanna kinda balence the laptop on one hand and type with the other :x | 22:51 |
| cshadowrun | or strap it to your arm. | 22:51 |
| cshadowrun | lol | 22:51 |
| cshadowrun | funny question, does the Q1U hard proper graphics drivers? | 22:55 |
| cshadowrun | (So like, could you run compiz? xD) | 22:55 |
| ogra | technically yes | 22:56 |
| cshadowrun | compiz would be awsome on a device like that lol, i could be such a show off. | 22:56 |
| cshadowrun | haha nice | 22:56 |
| * ogra didnt try it though | 22:56 | |
| cshadowrun | you have a Q1U? | 22:56 |
| ogra | i have one here but dont own it | 22:56 |
| cshadowrun | ah | 22:57 |
| cshadowrun | lol why does everyone have one but not own it? | 22:57 |
| cshadowrun | is canocial giving them out to devs or something? | 22:57 |
| ogra | to employees at least | 22:57 |
| cshadowrun | nice | 22:58 |
| ogra | else it would be hard to develop MID ... | 22:58 |
| ogra | you need some HW ot work on | 22:58 |
| ogra | *to | 22:58 |
| cshadowrun | true | 22:58 |
| cshadowrun | Q1U is a bit big though :( | 22:58 |
| ogra | yeh | 22:58 |
| cshadowrun | i wonder if an OQO would work | 22:59 |
| ogra | i like it though, but the keyboard is misdesigned | 22:59 |
| cshadowrun | OQO is pocket sized :p | 22:59 |
| cshadowrun | yea the keyboard looks wrong. | 22:59 |
| cshadowrun | the OQO is an amazing device though, you seen the OQO's? | 22:59 |
| ogra | a while ago, yes | 23:00 |
| cshadowrun | yea they are old but i havn't found anything as nice as an OQO yet | 23:00 |
| cshadowrun | think ubuntu MID would work on an OQO? | 23:02 |
| cshadowrun | come to think of it, think ubuntu full would work on an OQO? lol | 23:02 |
| ogra | normal ubuntu likely would... its a plain c7 | 23:03 |
| cshadowrun | funky | 23:04 |
| cshadowrun | OQO doesn't have a touch screen though, which makes me sad :( | 23:07 |
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