=== tgm4883_laptop_ is now known as tgm4883_laptop [07:42] just finishing setting up 8.04alpha again after replacing the drive with a bigger one, got everything working except the channel change script, i dont remember where it is [07:43] im pretty sure it creates one for me, because i selected my remote and dish receiver during setup, but how do i tell it to use it? [08:10] noone? [09:18] I'm trying to test a live backend/frontend combined mythbuntu. i can't seem to get the frontend to connect with the database [09:19] I've run sudo dpkg-reconfigure mythtv-database [09:19] but the frontend still says it can't ping localhost (?!) [15:05] I have asked in #mythtv-users, but since this is sort of Ubuntu specific, I thought I would ask here, too. [15:06] I'm having a little Myth trouble. I changed from a Gentoo-based system to Ubuntu. It seems like the machine now has a hard time playing back video. When it is commercial flagging, HD video stutters greatly, and is unwatchable. I have tried a bunch of different approaches to solving this issue, to no avail. Any ideas? [15:08] jjust finishing setting up 8.04alpha again after replacing the drive with a bigger one, got everything working except the channel change script, i dont remember where it is [15:08] im pretty sure it creates one for me, because i selected my remote and dish receiver during setup, but how do i tell it to use it? [15:09] dwf_starband: 8.04 alpha?` [15:09] kambei: is your kernel fully upgraded? [15:10] Yes [15:10] yeah, i did all the updates [15:10] The machine is fully up to date [15:10] i tried using the newer installation but couldnt get it past the startup screen [15:13] so is there a channel change script somewhere in the installation, or do i need to find it and download it like in the past? [15:15] laga: You there? [15:15] don't worry, that happens sometimes [15:15] What the hell is wrong with those people? [15:16] ? [15:16] laga: Do they do that a lot? [15:18] dwf_starband: Referring to another channel, sorry. [15:19] oh ok, i was confused, lol [15:19] So am I. [15:20] hello everybody [15:20] Allo. [15:20] hey who was i talking to yesterday about wireless n [15:20] broadcom wireless n [15:21] Definitely not me. [15:22] * superm1 hides? [15:22] ahhh yeah you NO HIDING [15:22] i still wonder why broadcom and linux were ever talked about...it's forbidden [15:22] NTolerance, because at this moment i dont have a itnel wireless n card in my laptop [15:23] sry =\ [15:23] dell got abit smart *after* i got mine [15:23] is this still the way to set it up? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV_External_Channel_Changer [15:24] dwf_starband, does your cable box have firewire [15:25] NTolerance, because there is a new(ish) driver that they've put together which works better than the other methods atm [15:25] its not cable, its dish network [15:25] why hello superm1 i am going to install it now [15:25] oh ok dwf_starband [15:26] looking at my normal laptop this laptop is so small current laptop on 12inched my real laptop is 17 widescreen [15:28] superm1: that's good news, is it in the kernel? [15:29] NTolerance, well the first iteration of it is more of a monolithic driver, but they are working with the main kernel wireless guys to have a more openish driver upcoming [15:29] there are two problems as i understand it [15:29] 1-> their driver supports more than the stack in the kernel right now [15:30] 2-> locking down the regulatory stuff in an openish manner. the thing is that the intel cards have their own extra processor on the board that handles that stuff. that's what is used when the firmware gets loaded [15:30] this stuff happens on the host CPU for broadcom [15:31] i'm way too smug w/ my intel wireless card :( [15:31] hmm DAMN BROADCOMM [15:32] well this is the exact reason that the intel cards tend to cost 20-40 dollars more [15:33] that extra processor and logic to drive it [15:33] that would of been fine with me except i didnt have an option when i bought it [15:48] ok in answer to my own question, the instructions on that page were what i wanted, its working fine now [15:48] thanks [15:49] your welcome [15:49] :) [15:57] any of you guys use ampache? [16:07] one of my friends swears by it [16:10] it's really amazing [16:10] i'm streaming from it now over SSH [16:11] no longer do i have to carry my mp3 player into work [16:12] the mpd support is great too [16:12] now i don't have to vnc to my myth box to play music over my TV speakers [16:12] personally i stopped bringing my ipod to work for a long time too, but since i got last.fm and pandora on it [16:13] i can't do the internet radio thing for too long, i'm a control freak [16:13] i frequently get urges to listen to meshuggah or neurosis, and i GOTTA HAVE IT NOW DAMNIT [16:14] same here ;) [16:14] although internet radio is nice sometimes [17:31] is it normal for mythfilldatabase to take over an hour to run (getting data from 2 networks from Shedules Direct) ? [17:31] that's not normal in my experience, usually only takes a few minutes for me [17:31] and i use schedules direct [17:32] hmmmm [17:32] i would suppose it depends on your internet connection [17:32] thatdood, just leave it [17:33] the first few times it took along time for me [17:33] its cable modem, downloading the data isnt the problem, its processing it once its down. and Im running it on an AMD 64 X2 4000+ system with 4GB ram [17:33] it done now [17:33] its fine [17:34] it takes what it takes [17:34] you tried running top while the filldatabase is happening? [17:34] aslong as it works [17:34] when my HDD was dying in my old mythbox it would take forever just to dump the database or load up mythweb [17:34] its a new drive (not that that means squat these days) [17:34] running top? [17:35] yeah, type top in the command line to see what process is slowing things down, or if that's happening at all [17:35] better yet, apt-get install htop [17:35] htop is even better [17:35] k, sec [17:36] would i need to start the mythfilldatabase again? [17:36] yeah, if you wanted to test it out [17:37] gotta reproduce the problem if you want to fix it [17:37] and, should mfd be run daily? [17:37] i think it runs automatically at an interval [17:37] and yeah, it's once a day i think [17:37] it has been about 5 days since i ran it manually i think [17:37] i don't know the default schedule offhand though [17:38] should the backend be shutdown as well? [17:38] IIRC the backend needs to be running to do a mythfilldatabase [17:38] i could be wrong [17:39] k, i didnt shut it down, it was running [17:39] the backend is basically the SQL server [17:39] and if you take it offline i imagine the filldatabase would fail [17:40] there's quite a few mysql processes running [17:40] that's normal [17:42] mthy taking 78% and 2 of the mysql's taking up 20% each. this appears to be all on 1 of the cores, which is at 100% and second core at 18% [17:42] i mean mfd taking 78% [17:43] if it does that for like an hour that's a problem i think [17:43] no way should it consume all that CPU time for so long [17:43] how to fix it...i dunno though [17:45] odd that the download speed is averaging 104.9K/s normally get 700-900K/s when downloading files [17:45] IIRC i don't max my connection when downloading from schedulesdirect [17:46] seems like the filldatabase spends more time importing the data than downloading [17:46] but it's been a while since i ran it manually [17:46] interesting tho, that its downloading several times, when I only have 2 lineups setup on the service [17:47] you are recording information for each channel [17:48] so each download i see is for an individual channel? [17:48] sure [17:48] lets say that [17:48] i am not fully sure [17:48] yeah, the filldatabase does many different download segments [17:48] it's not just one big download [17:48] it's a lot of small downloads [17:49] so than thatdood if you have more than 5 channels [17:49] just let it have fun [17:49] is there an sql statement i could type in that will give me a channel count? [17:50] you know how many channels you have [17:50] i basically selected all of them on 2 sat networks, so theres probably a ton of channels and that could be why its taking so long [17:50] you scanned for them or you selected them on a lineup [17:50] yeah if i select comcast digital setup [17:50] its around 700 channels [17:50] you are probably at over 1000 [17:51] enjoy that [17:51] so, around 1m12s per dl [17:52] any risk of aborting the current fill, since i just did one a few minutes ago? [17:53] thatdood: i scan around 100 channels on my system, that's all [17:53] thats probably why its taking so long then [17:53] Shadow__X: how do you tune comcast digital channels? [17:53] i figured it just downloaded 1 packet for the line up, not a packet for each channel. hehe [17:55] qam tuners and a stb [17:56] the stb has alot of channels [17:56] do you get the encrypted channels? [17:57] does that makes sense to you [17:57] :p [17:57] heh [17:57] as in do i get more channels than i do over qam yes [17:58] as in do i get every channel off of the stb no [17:58] i use firewire over the stb [17:58] interesting, time warner locks down all the ports on our boxes [17:58] on a side note, been struggling with setting up a mini itx (Commell LV-673) as a frontend. Svideo on that thing is driving me nuts. If i edit another xorg.conf file one time imma scream haha [17:58] how many chans do you get on the QAM? [17:58] fcc mandates firewire to work [17:59] hmm [17:59] i need to subscribe to your newsletter [17:59] yeah [17:59] welp, i'll be back later, gotta go get plates for the car [17:59] if there is a firewire port it should work at atleast nbc cbs fox [17:59] thanks for the input guys [17:59] mhm [18:00] np [18:00] NTolerance, you should go smack them until the firewire is on [18:00] do you use an IR blaster? [18:00] over firewire? [18:00] for the STB [18:00] no it just works [18:00] nice [18:00] firewire changes the channel and records off of there [18:00] wow [18:00] motorola dct3200 [18:00] also does hd [18:00] :D [18:01] how many chans do you get on the QAM tuner? [18:01] and which one do you use? [18:03] i get around 50 channels [18:03] i think [18:03] maybe 40 [18:03] i have a hvr-1800 and a pinnacle 800i i am contemplating getting a hvr-1600 as wel [18:03] hmm [18:04] HVR series don't have kernel driver support do they? [18:04] i was reading threads about a scary compilation process.. [18:04] they have support as in they work [18:04] its just you have to be running mythtv from svn [18:04] and be upto date [18:04] scary [18:04] i guess [18:04] you install the driver [18:05] i can't be bleeding edge on the mythbox, my girlfriend expect it to work when she turns it on [18:05] expects [18:05] so build another one [18:05] and test it on there [18:05] :D [18:05] lolz [18:05] i just spent a buttload on the current one [18:06] you dont have spare computers [18:06] do you even call yourself a geek? [18:06] yeah, but not enough spare time [18:06] hmm i dont know [18:06] well you can pay me to configure it then [18:06] :D [18:06] i want a PCI-E HD tuner [18:06] with kernel support, think it'll happen in time for intrepid? [18:06] maybe [18:07] i could always go for the HD homerun [18:07] my hvr-1800 is pci -e [18:07] hvr-1800 works with digital oob [18:07] with a current kernel [18:07] 2.16.24 [18:07] kinda current [18:08] analog works if you isntall the drivers and firmware butnot in myth yet [18:08] i have gotten analog to work in linux just not 100 percent in myth [18:10] i am looking into getting the hvr-1600 for another qam tuner and analog [18:10] or maybe use video in from a stb [18:10] havnt decided [18:14] ok so HVR1800, PCI-E, can tune QAM out of the box on the current Hardy kernel and also the current release of mythbuntu? [18:14] yup [18:14] and that works fine [18:14] sounds nice [18:14] yeah [18:14] i can just use my MCE150 for analog [18:15] so i can take that thing, plug it in, add the tuner in mythtv setup, done? [18:15] mhm [18:15] pretty much [18:15] nice [18:15] you also have to scan for qam [18:15] another other tuners that are better? [18:15] hauppauge has several HVR models [18:16] well for me the pctv 800i tunes to ondem better [18:16] but thats just me [18:16] i am pretty sure once i installed the driver thats why it changed [18:16] other than that i love the 1800 [18:16] i got the one with the pce remote [18:16] i see 4 hauppauge HVR models [18:16] i have the hvr 1800 [18:16] http://hauppauge.com/site/products/prods_hvr_internal.html [18:17] one day analog will work [18:17] http://hauppauge.com/site/products/data_hvr1800.html [18:17] so the HVR1800 can record two QAM chans at once? [18:17] i can record 4 channels at once [18:17] but [18:17] it needs to be on the same multiplex [18:17] such as 100.11 100.02 [18:17] like that [18:18] what about 2 chans? does that always work? [18:18] what do you mean [18:18] 2 channels on the same multiplex? [18:18] i don't even know what multiplexing is [18:18] =\ [18:18] ok [18:19] with qam channels numbers arent like analog [18:19] with analog channel 5 is channel 5 [18:19] on qam channel 5 can be 104.06 [18:19] so the best way you to to understand would be to buy the qam tuner [18:19] scan for channels [18:20] then go through every channel and identify what they are [18:20] right down channel number and channel naem such as fx or fox [18:20] so it's a crapshoot basically? [18:21] then as you go through more numbers you see channels are on the same number [18:21] eh its not bad [18:21] once your done your done though [18:21] it will prob take about an hour or 2 [18:21] but the process is fun [18:21] you dont know what channels you are going to get [18:21] or wind up on [18:23] NTolerance, when linux gets support i am buying atleast one of these [18:23] http://hauppauge.com/site/products/data_hvr2250.html [18:23] dual analog encoders dual qam tuners [18:30] NTolerance, you still alive? [18:43] Shadow_X .. who's your cable provider? [18:46] comcast [18:46] why [18:49] how about you sabhain [18:59] I have TimeWarner .. and it's been a struggle to get a firewire enabled STB [19:00] that part of it is phase 2 of my whole house Mythbuntu install .. and it's coming soon. [19:00] hmm isnt it fcc mandated [19:01] it sure is fcc mandated .. but it doesn't mean that all STB's have to be 1394 enabled .. merely that they're supposed to supply one upon request. [19:01] hmm so you have a stb with firewire but it isnt enabled [19:01] right .. [19:01] i thought it was also fcc mandated that if you have a firewire port it needs to be neabled [19:01] lol [19:02] that doesn't mean that they have to provide lots of channels on it [19:02] my read on the fcc regs (an amateur read) is that they HAVE to be there .. and they HAVE to be enabled "upon request" [19:02] right [19:02] yeah [19:02] eg unencrypted [19:02] that doesnt mean you will get alot of channels [19:02] do you get atleast 3 channels? [19:02] i can get my local digital channels and bbc america on mine [19:03] that's it [19:03] ah well thats better than nothing [19:03] do you get bbc america over qam>? [19:03] nope :( [19:03] the locals i do though [19:03] ah [19:03] hmm [19:03] i decided it's not worth doing firewire just for BBCA in which case [19:03] so i just do svid instead [19:03] i dont get bbc america over qam [19:04] superml .. agreed .. but the local guys using Tivo in these parts are getting way more .. pretty much anything that is not labled copy once in the CCI bytes is available over 1394 .. if you can get a box [19:04] right [19:04] hmm sabhain so then you should too [19:04] tivo can capture 1394 ? [19:05] i thought so [19:05] but i also read it can record more than a pc can over firewire [19:05] because of device type [19:05] as I understand it .. and this is convoluted .. guys around here have been able to identify that the channels that tivo is able to copy off to PC, are the same channels that are available to the one guy I know who's got a 1394 enabled STB [19:05] although i dont know how true that really is [19:05] ah [19:05] so get one sabhain [19:06] ahhhh .. if it were that easy, I'd have 3 already. [19:06] hum this doesn't seem right. i don't recall "ever" reading that tivo has firewire [19:07] superml .. not what I'm saying .. I'm just saying that the local users of Tivo along with a guy using his own PVR (mythdora I think) lead me to believe that most of my digital cable (no premiums) will be available via 1394 once I can get an enabled STB [19:08] the only way youll know is by doing for sure [19:08] so go do it [19:09] oh [19:15] if I want to get a new dvb-channel by scanning, will the existing channels be wiped and rescanned (and change their id:s) and cause trouble? is it better to insert the data directly into the database? [19:28] in the channel scanner you can select minor change [19:28] and it would just add the new channels [19:28] no harm done [19:28] if you are scared [19:28] backup the database [20:21] Shadow__X: do the HVR1250 and HVR1800 also work OOB in Hardy? [20:21] HVR1250 is only $52 at newegg [20:30] laga: I asked a few weeks ago about weekly builds from trunk..You indicated it would be coming when it was more stable....Any idea when we can expect them to restart? [20:31] Thanks [20:32] gregL: once i fixed that weird build error :) [20:32] i renamed the libmyth-0.21 to libmyth-0.22 and now dpkg-shlibdeps complains :( i'll investigate that tomorrow then [20:32] thanks for the reminder [20:33] cool.. I would do it myself but it seems i have more problems when i compile..It works but no problem free... [20:34] s/not [20:50] Shadow__X, i detailed everything i mentioned yesterday in this post whenever you are finished installing: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=880218 [22:04] Anyone know how to get a twinhan 2033 DVB-t card to work? [22:22] Anyone know how to get a twinhan 3030 DVB-t card to work? [22:32] i can't get ogg audio files in .mkv to play in mythvideo. the video plays fine, but no audio at all [22:32] NTolerance, the 1250 is a framegrabber bad for analog [22:32] good for digital [22:32] does it play with mplayer orangepeelbeef [22:32] anyone able to help? I thought all I'd need were the libvorbis packages installed [22:32] and maybe if it doesnt yo would just have to install driver [22:33] dogboy: video plays, no sound in mplayer [22:33] superm1, thanks [22:33] so mythvideo has nothing to do with it [22:33] can you play ogg files [22:33] well no, but i thought you all might know how to fix ;) [22:34] not sure i will have to find one to try [22:34] and you thought that by misrepresenting the problem you would be more likely to get help [22:34] heh [22:34] no i was still typing ;P [22:35] is there something else i should need other than the libvorbis audio? the vorbis video is working fine [22:36] hm, well i guess the video shows as advanced video codec [22:39] http://pastebin.com/m7973e62e [22:59] i am looking for opinions on moving from windows media center 2005 to unbuntu with mythtv..my HD .mkv files playback fine now but im looking for a free solution, hence ubuntu and mythtv. what are your opinions? [22:59] chuck-, if you are going to switch be prepared for a good amount of work [22:59] Shadow__X: how so? [23:00] well if you are expecting point and click such as windows thats not going to work [23:00] sometimes you might have to trouble shoot and then maybe it will work [23:00] i understand that [23:00] i just didin't know if there was an overall working solution to playback .mkv, .avi files [23:00] if you have no problem working on it a decent amount of time and fixing it if something breaks [23:01] well i dont know about .mkv files but .avi files should play fine [23:01] i read something about linux not being able to take advantage of a GPU with graphics or something where as windows does which allows for smoother playback [23:02] im gonna read up a little on it..just figured id get some first thoughts before plowing through it [23:04] would be cool if oyu could cap HD shows :) [23:06] chuck-, system specs? [23:07] one sec [23:08] AMD Athlon 64 X2 6000+ [23:08] 2gb ddr ram [23:08] asus mobo [23:08] gpu? [23:09] nvidia gefore 8500 gt [23:09] HD should be fine there [23:09] tuner cards? [23:10] i dont have any..i don't want to record shows atm [23:10] just stream my blu-ray rips, .avi files etc [23:11] im thinking ill be fine i just have to get all my ducks in a row [23:11] ah [23:11] plus i have the Windows Media Center controller [23:11] yea I think you will be ok [23:11] well, i was watching HDTV on a FX5200, so i think you're good to go [23:11] rhpot1991, foxbuntu ping [23:11] mythbuntu is relatively painless [23:12] tgm4883_laptop, pong [23:12] is mythbuntu the latest version of ubuntu packaged with mythTV or is it its own distro? [23:12] foxbuntu, your a big HD guy right? Have anything to input here? [23:12] about what? [23:12] just got here [23:12] foxbuntu, just stream my blu-ray rips, .avi files etc [23:12] from chuck- [23:13] what Proc, Ram, and Vid card? [23:13] AMD Athlon 64 X2 6000+ [23:13] nvidia gefore 8500 gt [23:13] 2gb ram [23:13] depending on the blu ray rips, (encoding and such) should be ok [23:14] i usually download x264 rips [23:14] mpeg-2 or 4 encoding? [23:14] home time [23:14] prob mpeg-2 [23:14] see ya [23:14] tgm4883_laptop, ^ [23:15] im guessing itll be easiler for me to use mythbuntu to start [23:16] chuck-, prob [23:16]