| * apachelogger is still wondering why xbmc needs svn builds back to feisty | 00:02 | |
| Riddell | apachelogger: kde4libs uploaded thanks | 00:12 |
|---|---|---|
| mornfall | Riddell: Do you have an idea if things break very horribly when people install intrepid's apt on hardy? (I had it rebuilt for hardy in my PPA...). | 00:15 |
| Riddell | mornfall: I wouldn't know, but I'd hope not | 00:19 |
| mornfall | I'll put a fat warning on the announcement. | 00:20 |
| apachelogger | hm | 00:21 |
| apachelogger | why would the qt4 package in the kde4 ppa not have dh_strip executed with --dbg-package | 00:21 |
| apachelogger | Nightrose: updated kdelibs should be available quite soonish | 00:24 |
| apachelogger | please take it for a testdrive | 00:24 |
| Nightrose | apachelogger: will do - what does it fix? | 00:25 |
| Nightrose | my favourite bug? :P | 00:25 |
| apachelogger | how should I know? :P | 00:25 |
| Nightrose | apachelogger: anyway - not sure i have the energy to do it tonight | 00:26 |
| Nightrose | but will definitely tomorrow morning | 00:26 |
| apachelogger | by then someone well have eaten my shorts :P | 00:26 |
| * Riddell snoozes | 00:26 | |
| apachelogger | nini Riddell | 00:26 |
| Nightrose | apachelogger: you wear shorts? ;-) | 00:27 |
| JontheEchidna | mornfall: adept doesn't start if I run it by kdesudo: http://pastebin.com/d450887c0 | 00:27 |
| Nightrose | nini Riddell | 00:27 |
| apachelogger | Nightrose: I certainly do | 00:27 |
| Nightrose | cool | 00:28 |
| mornfall | JontheEchidna: Oh. Interesting. | 00:28 |
| mornfall | JontheEchidna: Is it maybe trying to use the .desktop file? | 00:28 |
| mornfall | Which might be borked, actually. | 00:28 |
| JontheEchidna | I could try giving it the executable path | 00:29 |
| JontheEchidna | same resutls | 00:30 |
| JontheEchidna | *results | 00:30 |
| JontheEchidna | with kdesudo /usr/bin/adept | 00:30 |
| mornfall | Dunno. | 00:32 |
| mornfall | I don't know much about kdesudo... | 00:32 |
| mornfall | You could try poking Tonio when he appears... | 00:32 |
| mornfall | Anyone with a hardy box around? | 00:36 |
| mornfall | |gunni|: (Already asleep?) | 00:36 |
| * mornfall bites the bullet and debootstraps hardy... | 00:39 | |
| JontheEchidna | vorian: about the quotes around interesting in the package | 00:57 |
| JontheEchidna | the images in question may or may not be interesting | 00:57 |
| JontheEchidna | but they will be tagged as interesting by flickr | 00:57 |
| vorian | JontheEchidna: ok then | 00:58 |
| JontheEchidna | maybe I should say tagged as "intersting" to clarify | 00:59 |
| vorian | you can reword the description how ever you like | 01:00 |
| JontheEchidna | well if you were confused others might be | 01:00 |
| vorian | it makes it sound "suspicious" | 01:01 |
| vorian | like "neked" foto's | 01:02 |
| vorian | :P | 01:02 |
| JontheEchidna | :P | 01:02 |
| vorian | OH NOES! | 01:02 |
| JontheEchidna | http://pastebin.com/d61286449 | 01:02 |
| vorian | here comes GLOBAL WARMIN!!! | 01:02 |
| vorian | run | 01:02 |
| JontheEchidna | heh | 01:02 |
| vorian | JontheEchidna: why not use dput? | 01:03 |
| JontheEchidna | maybe I need my lp name as the login | 01:03 |
| JontheEchidna | vorian: that is dput | 01:03 |
| vorian | weird | 01:03 |
| vorian | JontheEchidna: merge your account? | 01:03 |
| JontheEchidna | huh? | 01:04 |
| JontheEchidna | I remade my etc/dput.cf file when I reinstaled | 01:04 |
| vorian | nono | 01:04 |
| vorian | on revu, there is an option to merge accounts | 01:04 |
| vorian | sign in with your open id | 01:04 |
| JontheEchidna | oh, that must be new | 01:05 |
| vorian | "Logged in as vorian. Merge REVU Accounts Your packages Logout." | 01:05 |
| JontheEchidna | hrm, now what was that revu password... | 01:05 |
| vorian | JontheEchidna: use your openid from lp | 01:06 |
| vorian | JontheEchidna: do you like me hilighting your name every 5 seconds? :P | 01:06 |
| JontheEchidna | not really :P | 01:06 |
| * Hobbsee waves | 01:09 | |
| * Hobbsee highlights vorian repeatedly. | 01:09 | |
| vorian | hi Hobbsee :) | 01:10 |
| Hobbsee | heya! | 01:10 |
| JontheEchidna | still failing after account merge :( | 01:11 |
| vorian | it's a bad habit | 01:11 |
| vorian | JontheEchidna: did you try that gpg <<EOT thingy? | 01:11 |
| vorian | bah! | 01:11 |
| vorian | sorry | 01:11 |
| JontheEchidna | I got my old password and stuff | 01:11 |
| JontheEchidna | and merged properly | 01:11 |
| vorian | NCommander! | 01:11 |
| vorian | not here i see | 01:12 |
| ScottK | Normally if someone puts bugs in LP about PPA stuff, I just mark them invalid and laugh. | 01:15 |
| ScottK | For the Hardy KDE4 stuff is there an established plan for PPA bugs? | 01:15 |
| vorian | they should be filed as kubuntu-members-kde4 bugs | 01:16 |
| ScottK | Is there a bug tracker in there? | 01:16 |
| vorian | https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members-kde4 | 01:17 |
| vorian | small, but yes | 01:17 |
| vorian | hmm | 01:17 |
| ScottK | Those are subscriptions, not a different place for bugs. | 01:17 |
| ScottK | For example, https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/python-qt4/+bug/255045 is still an Ubuntu bug, but it shouldn't be because it's against the PPA package. | 01:18 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 255045 in python-qt4 "python-qt4 from kubuntu-members-kde4 breaks python-qwt5-qt4" [Undecided,New] | 01:18 |
| vorian | hmm | 01:18 |
| ScottK | My suggestion (generally) is to get Riddell to shove these over in hardy-backports (it has a separate bug tracker). They'd be signed then too and I'd feel WAY better about that from a security perspective. | 01:20 |
| vorian | sounds like a good idea | 01:21 |
| mornfall | Oh yeah. What I wouldn't do... | 01:24 |
| JontheEchidna | Riddell: bug 255183 | 02:41 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 255183 in plasmoid-quickaccess "Include plasmoid-quickaccess in main" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/255183 | 02:41 |
| ScottK | JontheEchidna: Did you search the different security databases they list in the template? | 02:43 |
| JontheEchidna | ScottK: Yeah, I couldn't find anything relating to the package | 02:45 |
| ScottK | JontheEchidna: Dunno if it's actually required, but when I've done MIR in the past (I've done more than a dozen) I list them with the exact search I used and say none. | 02:45 |
| JontheEchidna | Hmm, there seems to be a lot of low-hanging fruit for kubuntu default settings. Maybe I should get off my ass one of these days and make some improvements... | 03:50 |
| JontheEchidna | but for now, bed. ;-) | 03:51 |
| digistyl3 | hi there, will there be a Disk & Filesystems module in System Tools for KDE 4.1? | 04:58 |
| yuriy | digistyl3: someone needs to port it | 05:01 |
| digistyl3 | yuriy: so currently noone is on it? | 05:02 |
| yuriy | digistyl3: no | 05:10 |
| === supert0nes1 is now known as supert0nes | ||
| supert0nes | does anyone else's folderview get scroll bars that don't line up with the plasmoid window? | 05:54 |
| supert0nes | shoot wrong channel, although ahh nevermind i'll ask in kubuntu-kde4 | 05:54 |
| === kemark is now known as krawek | ||
| chmj | lo all | 07:56 |
| _StefanS_ | morning | 08:59 |
| _StefanS_ | Jucato: you therE? | 09:01 |
| _StefanS_ | anyone know what to do if kde4 fails to start after kdm login ? - I'm just trying out intrepid and did a dist-upgrade from hardy | 09:02 |
| _StefanS_ | all I have is the background wallpaper from kdm, and nothing else happens. I do remember that it was an easy fix last time, just cant remember what it was :D | 09:03 |
| davmor2 | Riddell: you know the issue yesterday with X? Well when I tested an alt cd latter on I found out that there were missing kernel modules would that affect X? | 09:05 |
| _StefanS_ | well it turns out the session that kdm had as default didn't work... selecting "KDE" in the Menu in kdm solved it | 09:09 |
| === supert0nes is now known as supert0nes[A] | ||
| Riddell | mornfall: adept alpha 6 working super | 10:21 |
| Riddell | mornfall: still a crash on exit though http://paste.ubuntu.com/34665/ | 10:22 |
| Riddell | seems to do some clever finding similar packages when I search | 10:23 |
| Riddell | how does it decide which tags to offer? | 10:23 |
| mornfall | Riddell: It uses xapian suggestions for extending the query, basically. | 10:38 |
| mornfall | Morning, too. | 10:38 |
| mornfall | Riddell: The crash on exit, yes, for some reason it doesn't happen on a source build with enabled debug. :| | 10:38 |
| Riddell | it also didn't start with kdesudo the first time I tried it, but has now. a problem for Tonio I think | 10:43 |
| Riddell | I'd be tempted to have the Apply Changes button available on all pages | 10:45 |
| mornfall | Riddell: Yeah, me too, and I guess people will complain about it... | 10:49 |
| mornfall | Riddell: But they usually complain more if it *is* everywhere. It seems. | 10:49 |
| Riddell | mornfall: doing an upgrade it seems to have got stuck on Hal | 11:04 |
| mornfall | Riddell: Do you have terminal output around? | 11:05 |
| Riddell | http://www.kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/adept-stuck.png | 11:05 |
| mornfall | Uhm. | 11:05 |
| mornfall | Can you strace -p `pgrep dpkg` maybe? | 11:06 |
| mornfall | It doesn't seem to be doing anything, hm, dangerous. | 11:06 |
| Riddell | hang on, something has happened | 11:06 |
| Riddell | http://www.kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/adept-stuck2.png | 11:07 |
| mornfall | Riddell: Can you resize the window to make the error fit in? | 11:07 |
| mornfall | (I am adding a scrollbar to todo, it seems... :) | 11:08 |
| Riddell | http://paste.ubuntu.com/34676/ | 11:08 |
| mornfall | Riddell: Nono, in the adept window... | 11:08 |
| mornfall | Below "the error was:" it's too long to fit. | 11:09 |
| Riddell | http://www.kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/adept-stuck3.png | 11:09 |
| mornfall | Interesting. | 11:09 |
| mornfall | dpkg just died... | 11:09 |
| mornfall | Well, hit OK. This is something I can't do much about I guess... | 11:09 |
| mornfall | I mean, the hal post-install script died with an error. Nothing I can fix. Maybe make the error more malleable. :) | 11:10 |
| Riddell | crash.. | 11:14 |
| Riddell | http://paste.ubuntu.com/34682/ | 11:15 |
| Riddell | with this on command line http://paste.ubuntu.com/34683/ | 11:16 |
| Riddell | running dpkg --configure -a manually and hal restarts fine | 11:16 |
| mornfall | Oh, hmm, seems I don't really handle exceptions from recovery. | 11:21 |
| mornfall | Do you think it's related to Adept that invoke-rc.d fails to start hal? | 11:22 |
| mornfall | I have no idea how that could happen. | 11:22 |
| mornfall | Ah, yes, indeed, the recovery code needs some fixing. | 11:23 |
| mornfall | But it doesn't explain the mysterious "hal failed to start" problem. | 11:23 |
| Riddell | if I downgrade hal then do a dist-upgrade again from the command line it all works fine | 11:24 |
| mornfall | And when you try from adept? | 11:25 |
| Riddell | it works fine | 11:25 |
| mornfall | ... | 11:25 |
| Riddell | so, hmm, shrug, who knows | 11:26 |
| mornfall | What would you suggest? : - ) | 11:26 |
| mornfall | I've TODO-ed the recovery crash, it's easy-fix. | 11:26 |
| Riddell | ignore it until anyone else reports the same issue I'd suggest :) | 11:26 |
| mornfall | Riddell: Well, if the recovery doesn't crash, it should lead everyone through it, maybe with some minor scars. If recovery fails, it *is supposed* to tell user to hit ok to exit adept and run dpkg --configure -a... (And not crash, right.) | 11:27 |
| Riddell | oh, hmm | 11:28 |
| mornfall | Which for mysterious errors of this kind is probably the next best thing to magic that we can do. | 11:28 |
| Riddell | if I run it through kdesudo then it stalls on upgrading hal again | 11:28 |
| mornfall | Oh... | 11:28 |
| mornfall | Kdesudo dislikes adept seriously. | 11:29 |
| Riddell | it does seem to | 11:29 |
| * Riddell eyes up Tonio_ | 11:29 | |
| Tonio_ | ? | 11:30 |
| Tonio_ | hum it segfaults, indeed :) | 11:30 |
| Riddell | /usr/lib/kde4/libexec/kdesu.distrib "adept updater" that works fine | 11:31 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: sudo adept_manager fails too | 11:31 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: we're talking about adept 3 alpaha in ~mornfall PPA | 11:31 |
| Tonio_ | hum oki testing | 11:31 |
| Riddell | I wonder if it's to do with adept being a KUniqueApp again, that confused it before I remember | 11:34 |
| DRebellion | Riddell, I've been having a few hal issues after installing and purging kubuntu-kde4-desktop, don't know if it's related though. | 11:34 |
| mornfall | Riddell: Oh, it is? | 11:35 |
| mornfall | It's not. | 11:36 |
| mornfall | KApplication app; | 11:36 |
| Riddell | mornfall: oh well, there goes that idea | 11:36 |
| mornfall | I'm wary of KUniqueApp after all the su issues. :) | 11:36 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: same problem with sudo on my side | 11:37 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: searching for a package results a segfault | 11:37 |
| mornfall | Tonio_: What distro? | 11:37 |
| mornfall | Tonio_: It shouldn't happen twice. Probably something about Xapian updates being mishandled somewhere. :| | 11:38 |
| Tonio_ | mornfall: kubuntu intrepid | 11:38 |
| mornfall | Weird. | 11:38 |
| mornfall | Can you try running it again? | 11:38 |
| Tonio_ | mornfall: yep | 11:39 |
| Tonio_ | mornfall: well it now seems to work correctly with kdesudo | 11:40 |
| Tonio_ | and sudo | 11:40 |
| mornfall | Right. | 11:40 |
| davmor2 | Riddell: yay livecd is working again however the usplash went away again :( | 12:32 |
| Riddell | ho hum | 12:34 |
| Riddell | davmor2: so you have a kubuntu desktop? could you send a screenshot? | 12:34 |
| davmor2 | 2 ticks just trying the installer | 12:34 |
| JontheEchidna | Ok, so I'm having trouble running self-compiled Qt apps | 12:54 |
| JontheEchidna | Cannot mix incompatible Qt libraries | 12:54 |
| JontheEchidna | Aborted (core dumped) | 12:54 |
| Riddell | got gtk-qt-engine installed? | 12:55 |
| Riddell | well, that shouldn't really matter | 12:55 |
| Riddell | do you have two Qts on the system? | 12:55 |
| JontheEchidna | nope | 12:55 |
| JontheEchidna | (nope @ gtk-qt-engine | 12:56 |
| JontheEchidna | uh, I don't think I have 2 Qts | 12:56 |
| JontheEchidna | maybe Qt3 for where KDE3 apps need it | 12:56 |
| JontheEchidna | jonathan@jonathan-desktop:~/gitrepos/screenie$ ldd screenie | grep -i Qt | 12:56 |
| JontheEchidna | libQtGui.so.4 => /usr/lib/libQtGui.so.4 (0xb763a000) | 12:56 |
| JontheEchidna | libQtCore.so.4 => /usr/lib/libQtCore.so.4 (0xb740c000) | 12:56 |
| JontheEchidna | Hmm, several different .sos | 12:57 |
| mornfall | Seems I have found the double-free problem afterall... | 12:57 |
| JontheEchidna | I have an so.4.4 | 12:57 |
| JontheEchidna | so.4.4.1 | 12:58 |
| JontheEchidna | so.4 | 12:58 |
| JontheEchidna | and just a plain old .so | 12:58 |
| === hunger_t is now known as hunger | ||
| JontheEchidna | how do I get it to link against the newest one? | 12:58 |
| Riddell | JontheEchidna: they should be symlinks | 12:58 |
| Riddell | mornfall: I always said you were a genius | 12:58 |
| mornfall | :P | 12:59 |
| JontheEchidna | they are symlinks | 12:59 |
| JontheEchidna | so why isn't it working... | 12:59 |
| JontheEchidna | Happens with multiple apps too | 13:03 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: http://aplg.kollide.net/kubuntu/debdiffs/kde4bindings_4.1.0-0ubuntu2_to_ubuntu3.diff | 13:05 |
| davmor2 | Riddell: should be http://www.davmor2.co.uk/kde4.png | 13:06 |
| apachelogger | hm, some of my keyboard keys stopped working -.- | 13:06 |
| apachelogger | JontheEchidna: uninstall kde-nightly | 13:07 |
| JontheEchidna | aaah | 13:07 |
| JontheEchidna | :( | 13:07 |
| JontheEchidna | well that sucks | 13:07 |
| * apachelogger needs to get his keyboard fixed | 13:08 | |
| JontheEchidna | would I need to recompile stuff? | 13:09 |
| JontheEchidna | nope | 13:09 |
| JontheEchidna | thanks apachelogger | 13:09 |
| JontheEchidna | and idea if/when a fix for kde-nighlty could be made? | 13:09 |
| Riddell | ah good, looks like JontheEchidna's new plasma layout worked then | 13:11 |
| JontheEchidna | :) | 13:11 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: what does that do? | 13:11 |
| Riddell | seems like quite a generic binary name | 13:11 |
| Riddell | also /usr/share/kde4/apps/pykde4/kde4.py isn't executable | 13:12 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: indeed | 13:21 |
| * apachelogger screwed up | 13:21 | |
| apachelogger | \sh: does pykde4 need to be executable? | 13:21 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: shouldn't the desktop effects be turned on in k-d-s? | 13:24 |
| apachelogger | rather than patching kdebase | 13:24 |
| vorian | morning | 13:27 |
| apachelogger | yo vorian | 13:28 |
| vorian | how goes? | 13:28 |
| mornfall | Morning. | 13:33 |
| vorian | yo | 13:37 |
| \sh | apachelogger: you mean pykdeuic4 ? yes | 13:38 |
| apachelogger | [15:47:35] <jjesse> "/usr/share/kde4/apps/pykde4/kde4.py" | 13:38 |
| apachelogger | [15:47:46] <\sh> apachelogger: please fix this for intrepid ;() | 13:38 |
| apachelogger | \sh: ^ | 13:38 |
| apachelogger | vorian: sanity is leaving | 13:38 |
| vorian | sanity has left? | 13:39 |
| \sh | apachelogger: nope..this kde4.py does not need to be 755 just 644 | 13:40 |
| apachelogger | does pykdeuic4? | 13:40 |
| \sh | it's been imported by some magic pyqt4 stuff | 13:40 |
| * apachelogger is wondering whether pykdeuic4 is | 13:40 | |
| \sh | apachelogger: pykdeuic4 needs to be 755 because it's being executed | 13:40 |
| vorian | DRebellion: looking now | 13:41 |
| apachelogger | \sh: seems reasonable ;-) | 13:41 |
| * apachelogger installs python-kde4-dev | 13:41 | |
| apachelogger | it's not right now -.- | 13:42 |
| \sh | apachelogger: in intrepid? | 13:42 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: it needs kdebase since that's where the test for blacklist is, k-d-s can only do a simple on or off nothing clever | 13:42 |
| apachelogger | yeah | 13:42 |
| \sh | apachelogger: yes..that's why I said, pls fix it..the package in the ppa seems to be more sane then intrepids one.. | 13:43 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: ok | 13:43 |
| apachelogger | \sh: I am really wondering who made them differ that much :P | 13:43 |
| apachelogger | \sh: why do we need to link kde4.py to usr/bin anyway? | 13:44 |
| * apachelogger is looking at the hardy package | 13:44 | |
| \sh | apachelogger: there is no link of kde4.py to /usr/bin... | 13:44 |
| \sh | apachelogger: pykdeuic4.py needs to be a symlink to /usr/bin/pykdeuic4 | 13:44 |
| apachelogger | true | 13:45 |
| apachelogger | what about usr/lib/kde4/share/kde4/apps/pykde4/kde4.py usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/PyQt4/uic/widget-plugins/kde4.py | 13:45 |
| apachelogger | ^ from the hardy package | 13:45 |
| \sh | apachelogger: kde4.py needs to be symlinked to /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/PyQt4/uic/widget-plugins/ | 13:45 |
| \sh | apachelogger: that's correct...this kde4.py is a plugin for pyqt4 | 13:46 |
| apachelogger | you know | 13:46 |
| apachelogger | ruby > python :P | 13:46 |
| apachelogger | even packagingwise | 13:46 |
| \sh | apachelogger: without this, the real uic compiler of pyqt4 doesn't know about the kde4 widgets | 13:46 |
| \sh | apachelogger: most people do it manually every time..but this issue is now an upstream issue, actually...because the old upstream tarball worked like a charm ;) | 13:48 |
| \sh | (before it went into kde-svn) | 13:48 |
| apachelogger | yeah, I talked with sime | 13:48 |
| apachelogger | we came to the conclusion that cmake should create the links | 13:49 |
| apachelogger | looking at svn it still doesn't | 13:49 |
| \sh | apachelogger: that sounds very sane...if it's done correctly...but without pyqt4 you can't even use pykde4 | 13:49 |
| \sh | so yes | 13:49 |
| * apachelogger fixes that god damn issue upstream | 13:49 | |
| davmor2 | Riddell: sorry Lunch. The only issue I see with layout and visuals is the white around the volume control applet | 13:50 |
| \sh | apachelogger: it's just important that this issue is being dealt with before intrepid release | 13:51 |
| DRebellion | vorian, great | 13:54 |
| nixternal | good morning kubuntu! | 14:51 |
| Riddell | why, it's nixternal | 14:52 |
| nixternal | wasabi Riddell...how goeth your day thus far? | 14:52 |
| nixternal | vorian: we need to get some KDE and Kubuntu swag for Ohio Linux Fest before its to late | 14:53 |
| txwikinger | hi Riddell, nixternal | 14:53 |
| nixternal | hiya txwikinger | 14:53 |
| Riddell | nixternal: not bad, working hard on system-config-printer-kde at last | 14:55 |
| nixternal | woo :) | 14:55 |
| nixternal | well, system-config-printer for gnome doesn't pick up our office printers, so maybe I can help out once I figure out where the heck our printers even are right now | 14:56 |
| nixternal | the HP Toolbox thing can pick them up though | 14:56 |
| nixternal | well it picks up the HP printer but doesn't find the Xerox printer | 14:56 |
| Riddell | I've noticed a random HP icon in my systray, not sure where that came from but I want to get rid of it | 14:57 |
| nixternal | that is from the HP toolbox as I have seen it once | 14:58 |
| apachelogger | \sh: whom do I poke to get an ok on my patch? | 15:06 |
| \sh | apachelogger: for pykde4 and buildsystem? imho sime | 15:06 |
| apachelogger | k | 15:07 |
| Jucato | anyone tried installing kubuntu-restricted-extras on a fresh intrepid lately? | 15:58 |
| JontheEchidna | yeah | 15:59 |
| JontheEchidna | a few days ago | 15:59 |
| JontheEchidna | worked ok | 15:59 |
| Jucato | kinda strange... it wants to install a lot, like firefox ang libgnome stuff | 15:59 |
| JontheEchidna | yeah, I noticed that | 15:59 |
| Jucato | funky :) | 15:59 |
| JontheEchidna | well I already had firefox so I didn't see that | 15:59 |
| Jucato | if I use -R (or --no-install-recommends) it just installs the kubuntu-restricted-extras metapackage and nothing else | 15:59 |
| Jucato | ah I see... kubuntu-restricted-extras just has Recommends for the stuff it needs to install... | 16:02 |
| yuriy | maybe the java plugin recommends firefox and so on? | 16:04 |
| yuriy | or similar for flash | 16:04 |
| ScottK | Jucato: That's so you can remove some stuff without removing the metapackage. | 16:05 |
| Jucato | ScottK: the problem is that on the first install of kubuntu-restricted-extras on a fresh intrepid, it will install 64 packages :) | 16:06 |
| ScottK | Jucato: Yes. That's how metapackages work. It may be that some of the packages have excessive recommends. | 16:07 |
| ScottK | That's worth looking into and fixing. | 16:07 |
| Jucato | http://pastebin.com/m4398fd7f | 16:07 |
| ScottK | Jucato: Definitely some recommends that need to get pared down. | 16:09 |
| * Jucato nods | 16:09 | |
| Jucato | ScottK: does apt-get automatically install suggests as well? | 16:11 |
| ScottK | Jucato: Not by default. | 16:12 |
| Jucato | oh. sun-java6-plugin depends on (a) firefox | 16:12 |
| Jucato | yep, that seems to be one of the offenders | 16:13 |
| ScottK | I'd suggest hunting down the one that wants gksu. | 16:16 |
| JontheEchidna | ubufox | 16:18 |
| JontheEchidna | I think | 16:19 |
| ScottK | Does it work with kdesudo? | 16:19 |
| * JontheEchidna doesn't know much about ubufox | 16:20 | |
| Xand3r | apachelogger: school has started, i dont know i if i have time in the next weeks | 16:20 |
| mornfall | Btw., what's LPIA, really? "low power x86" is all I can find. | 16:22 |
| * ScottK restrains himself from urging people to ignore their studies. | 16:22 | |
| Riddell | mornfall: that's it, Intel's mobile device variant of x86 | 16:22 |
| ScottK | mornfall: That's pretty much it. It's for smaller mobile devices. | 16:22 |
| Riddell | not sure what it's marketed as in the real world | 16:23 |
| Jucato | JontheEchidna: yeah, you're right. about ubufox | 16:23 |
| Jucato | firefox-3.0 recommends ubufox; ubufox depends on apturl, apturl depends on synaptic etc. etc. | 16:24 |
| mornfall | Ah, hm, interesting. http://news.cnet.com/Intels-third-stab-at-consumer-electronics/2100-1006_3-5837393.html | 16:24 |
| yuriy | is this the Atom or something else? | 16:26 |
| ScottK | Jucato: Then I think we need to look at ubufox and see if we can get it working on a more KDE like basis (or maybe do a KDE look equivalent as an alternate recommends). | 16:26 |
| Jucato | ScottK: but I'm wondering why sun-java6-plugin depends on firefox | 16:28 |
| Riddell | yuriy: that rings a bell | 16:28 |
| Jucato | (but then again, afaik, Konqueror doesn't need the -plugin actually, only the -bin) | 16:28 |
| yuriy | Riddell: I thinkt that's what's in the netbooks | 16:28 |
| mornfall | FAIK (and | 16:29 |
| mornfall | > according to [1]), Ubuntu's lpia "port" is only about compiling packages | 16:29 |
| mornfall | > using different optimization options. | 16:29 |
| mornfall | > | 16:29 |
| mornfall | > [1] http://lwn.net/Articles/247003/ | 16:29 |
| Riddell | sounds about right | 16:30 |
| DRebellion | vorian, how's monkeystudio looking? | 16:38 |
| JontheEchidna | Riddell: could you sponsor bug 255171? | 16:41 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 255171 in ktorrent "new upstream release (ktorrent 3.1.2)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/255171 | 16:41 |
| JontheEchidna | (see second debdiff) | 16:42 |
| Riddell | JontheEchidna: I'd need the new .orig | 16:48 |
| JontheEchidna | I'll upload it | 16:48 |
| Riddell | I wonder what the "Holsworthy Memorial Hall meetings" posting to kubuntu-users is about | 16:49 |
| JontheEchidna | Attachment ktorrent_3.1.2+dfsg.1.orig.tar.gz added to bug. | 16:51 |
| Riddell | JontheEchidna: looks good, uploading | 16:55 |
| JontheEchidna | cool | 16:55 |
| Riddell | hypercool! | 16:56 |
| Riddell | as they say in France | 16:56 |
| JontheEchidna | heh | 16:56 |
| davmor2 | Riddell: I love the checkers board at restart :) | 16:57 |
| DRebellion | apachelogger, ping | 16:59 |
| === Czessi_ is now known as Czessi | ||
| devfil | Riddell: there? | 18:42 |
| Riddell | hi devfil | 18:44 |
| devfil | Riddell: I'm working to kdevelop FTBFS, it build-dep on libcvsservice-dev, it should be removed, right? | 18:45 |
| Riddell | devfil: yes I guess so, libcvsservice-dev isn't in KDE 4 | 18:45 |
| devfil | Riddell: there is another problem, python2.5 (a build-dep on kdevelop) depends on libdb4.6, kdevelop build-dep on libdb-dev (is install libdb4.7 that conflicts with libdb4.6) | 18:46 |
| devfil | so, I should patch python2.5 or modify libdb-dev to libdb4.6-dev in build-dep? | 18:46 |
| devfil | Riddell: maybe build-dep on libdb4.6-dev instead of libdb-dev is the best thing to do | 18:48 |
| Riddell | devfil: why? 4.6 looks old | 18:50 |
| Riddell | oh, you said | 18:50 |
| devfil | it actually build-dep on 4.7 | 18:51 |
| devfil | python2.5 on 4.6 | 18:51 |
| Riddell | devfil: right, go with libdb4.6-dev for now I guess | 18:51 |
| devfil | ok | 18:51 |
| Riddell | 19:01 < DxOffEagle> Riddell: are you the go-to guy for the KDE4.1 packages for kubuntu? Seems like they forget to run update-mime-database... | 19:03 |
| Riddell | 19:03 < Riddell> mm, that should be done by dh_installmime | 19:03 |
| Riddell | note to self, or anyone else who cares to look ^^ | 19:03 |
| * Riddell out to watch X-Files film! | 19:03 | |
| Nightrose | ohhhhh Riddell - do tell what it is like when you get back ;-) | 19:04 |
| Nightrose | have fun | 19:04 |
| smarter | hey there | 19:16 |
| skreechmiester | Whoot upgraded Ubuntu | 19:23 |
| skreechmiester | Took a day :) | 19:23 |
| _gunni_ | mornfall: Did someone already tested the apt packages in your ppa? | 19:44 |
| _gunni_ | (For Hardy) | 19:44 |
| yuriy | _gunni_: aptitude is crashing now since I installed adept and kde4 from PPA, so I wouldn't recommend it right now | 19:46 |
| _gunni_ | yuriy: ok | 19:47 |
| _gunni_ | yuriy: How about apt-get? I dont use aptitude anyways | 19:49 |
| yuriy | umm it's acting a little weird but I don't know if that's normal | 19:51 |
| yuriy | it's just telling me 2 packages are held back and doing nothing about it | 19:51 |
| _gunni_ | yuriy: That yould be normal | 19:51 |
| _gunni_ | If you try to install one package of this you should get dependency problems displayed | 19:52 |
| _gunni_ | I will just try myself | 19:52 |
| _gunni_ | yuriy: For me there are no held packages | 19:58 |
| _gunni_ | But aptitude crashing on upgrade, though update works with aptitude | 19:59 |
| skreechmiester | bug 255412 | 19:59 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 255412 in update-manager "Could not install 'linuxz-ubuntu-modules-2.6.22-15-generic'" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/255412 | 19:59 |
| Arby | anybody around who can help me figure out why kio_sysinfo doesn't like binary files? | 20:18 |
| Arby | if I have the files in src/about/kubuntu/images/*.png present | 20:19 |
| Arby | I get this error when running debuild http://paste.ubuntu.com/34863/ | 20:19 |
| Arby | if I remove the images directory and remove the entry from about/kubuntu/CMakeLists that installs those files then it compiles | 20:20 |
| Arby | looks awful but is able to compile install and run | 20:20 |
| Arby | no idea why | 20:21 |
| Arby | but apparently those png files require special handling | 20:21 |
| Arby | but what and how | 20:21 |
| mornfall | yuriy: Oh, hm. Maybe I should update aptitude there as well -- given libapt-pkg has been updated and APT is not famous for ABI compatibility. | 20:24 |
| _gunni_ | mornfall: I now can give you a little update on the packages | 20:25 |
| _gunni_ | Like yuriy said aptitude is broken, but apt-get functions, adept does not crash anymore on searching, but searching is buggy "fire" does not find firefox, but "firefox" does find it | 20:25 |
| _gunni_ | After updating sources apply button is clickable, but has no function as there are no updates | 20:26 |
| mornfall | _gunni_: Well, there's no fire in firefox... it's a keyword-based search. You don't expect google to turn up firefox when you google for fire, do you? | 20:26 |
| _gunni_ | In "details" only installed files work | 20:26 |
| mornfall | Indeed, that's not really a bug but missing features. I'll remove the tabs before final. | 20:27 |
| _gunni_ | mornfall: well, in the old adept you start typing, and it started search, so i was used to | 20:27 |
| mornfall | (Unless I receive patches to implement them, that is.) | 20:27 |
| coreymon77 | hi everybody! | 20:27 |
| coreymon77 | im home! | 20:27 |
| _gunni_ | mornfall: So thats the status for me now in hardy | 20:28 |
| coreymon77 | anyone miss me? | 20:28 |
| _gunni_ | Did not try upgrade yet, as there are no upgrades yes | 20:28 |
| mornfall | _gunni_: K, thanks for the report. | 20:29 |
| Nightrose | heya coreymon77 :) | 20:30 |
| Nightrose | what have you been up to? | 20:30 |
| coreymon77 | hey | 20:30 |
| coreymon77 | im back | 20:30 |
| coreymon77 | ive been in israel | 20:30 |
| coreymon77 | trip | 20:31 |
| coreymon77 | just got home earlier today | 20:31 |
| coreymon77 | 5 weeks | 20:31 |
| Nightrose | nice | 20:31 |
| skreechmiester | shalom | 20:32 |
| coreymon77 | you to | 20:32 |
| coreymon77 | o | 20:32 |
| coreymon77 | its alright, everyone can calm down now, im back | 20:33 |
| coreymon77 | :) | 20:33 |
| coreymon77 | ;) | 20:33 |
| * skreechmiester hyperventilates | 20:34 | |
| mornfall | ... | 20:35 |
| === coreymon is now known as coreymon77 | ||
| _gunni_ | mornfall: Just one additional comment: As the search box is find-as-you-type, in my opinion its not clear, that "fire" does not find firefox | 20:51 |
| mornfall | _gunni_: Dunno. We'll see if additional comments appear on that. | 20:52 |
| mornfall | I actually dislike partial matches, because they pollute the search badly in other cases. | 20:53 |
| mornfall | And compromising valid results for fire getting to firefox sounds as a bad decision to me. | 20:53 |
| _gunni_ | If for everyone else its ok, its ok for me, just my thoughts on it. Additionally its because old adept handled it like this | 20:53 |
| mornfall | Yes, I understand. But the search is very different now. | 20:53 |
| mornfall | It's also gotten much faster and accurate as a result. :) | 20:54 |
| _gunni_ | Yes, much faster. Old adept was kinda slow at this point | 20:54 |
| JontheEchidna | That's one of my favorite 3.0 features, speed. | 20:54 |
| mornfall | JontheEchidna: Are there any others? *wink* | 20:55 |
| _gunni_ | btw. does someone know a kde4 package with very few lines of code, to look at for learning how to hack kde? | 20:56 |
| _gunni_ | Maybe a little application, not a lib for the start | 20:56 |
| skreechmiester | I shoudl install adept :( | 20:56 |
| mornfall | Just pleaaase don't look at adept. ; - ) | 20:56 |
| skreechmiester | Ha ha | 20:56 |
| skreechmiester | it's intrepid only? | 20:56 |
| mornfall | skreechmiester: Hardy, Interpid, Debian. | 20:56 |
| mornfall | Intrepid* | 20:56 |
| mornfall | (A very persistent typo.) | 20:57 |
| skreechmiester | mornfall: That's what DBUS is for | 20:57 |
| JontheEchidna | mornfall: The GUI is also much more straightforward | 20:57 |
| _gunni_ | skreechmiester: But on hardy it breaks aptitude, now (just a warning), apt-get will work | 20:57 |
| skreechmiester | What's aptitude ^_^ | 20:58 |
| mornfall | _gunni_: Oh, can you try updating? It might have new aptitude in there. | 20:58 |
| skreechmiester | I got over that once i didn't need the tui | 20:58 |
| mornfall | _gunni_: Which hopefully won't crash anymore. | 20:58 |
| JontheEchidna | adept3 has been much better about crashes :P | 20:59 |
| mornfall | Good. Beta has even more fixes in that department already. | 21:00 |
| _gunni_ | Ups, crash on upgrade ... but were just some xine packages, aptitude not there | 21:01 |
| mornfall | Duh. | 21:01 |
| mornfall | What kind of crash? | 21:01 |
| _gunni_ | http://pastebin.com/m4a55cee0 | 21:02 |
| mornfall | Extremely weird. | 21:02 |
| mornfall | Hardy hates me. | 21:03 |
| mornfall | _gunni_: Can you run in gdb and get a backtrace? | 21:03 |
| _gunni_ | Downloading packages seem to run, but right after that it crashes | 21:03 |
| _gunni_ | I dont know if i have the skill for that but i can try | 21:03 |
| mornfall | sudo gdb --args adept | 21:04 |
| mornfall | r | 21:04 |
| mornfall | when it crashes, type: bt | 21:04 |
| mornfall | paste all of it, then | 21:04 |
| _gunni_ | Lol, now it dows not crash, but dont upgrade also | 21:06 |
| mornfall | Uhm... | 21:06 |
| _gunni_ | Wait, i will try once more | 21:06 |
| _gunni_ | mornfall: So, crashes only on exit now: http://pastebin.com/m7be51a0b ,but does not do the upgrade | 21:10 |
| mornfall | What'd you mean, does not do the upgrade? | 21:10 |
| mornfall | The exit crash is known and probably fixed already. | 21:11 |
| _gunni_ | Pressing "upgrade" it shows the upgradable packages, pressing "apply changes" does download the packages, but not installing them | 21:11 |
| mornfall | Does it say anything in the GUI? | 21:12 |
| mornfall | Seems to be a problem with debconf of some sort. | 21:12 |
| mornfall | yuriy: Does Adept work for you on hardy? Especially installation/removal/upgrades? | 21:13 |
| yuriy | haven't actually had a chance to test it since upgrading to 4.1 took a while, I'll try now | 21:13 |
| _gunni_ | mornfall: "Building dependency tree" ... "Reading State information" .." The operation finished successful ..." | 21:14 |
| mornfall | _gunni_: Quite interesting. | 21:14 |
| _gunni_ | Right after that i can press upgrade again, and apply the same changes, as no changes were made | 21:15 |
| yuriy | mornfall: well for starters I can't launch it as root because sudo is broken for kde4 on hardy | 21:15 |
| mornfall | Ahw. | 21:15 |
| _gunni_ | yuriy: For me it works with sudo, kdesu and kdesudo ... | 21:16 |
| mornfall | Although that part seems to work for _gunni_ ... | 21:16 |
| yuriy | _gunni_: kdesudo gives me command not found | 21:16 |
| _gunni_ | Oh, you have to give the complete path to adept | 21:16 |
| yuriy | oh right, I knew that | 21:16 |
| _gunni_ | kdesudo /usr/lib/kde4/bin/adept | 21:16 |
| * yuriy is tired of debugging | 21:16 | |
| yuriy | mornfall: I did notice that it tries to create the xapian index when not launched as root | 21:17 |
| mornfall | yuriy: Hmm, indeed. I should probably fix that. | 21:17 |
| _gunni_ | mornfall: Have the crash again, now i try to get a backtrace | 21:18 |
| smarter | Riddell: hi, I've made a fix for gpm ftbfs on lp:~kubuntu-members/guidance/powermanager-ubuntu (not tested, I don't have a pbuilder on my eee) | 21:18 |
| mornfall | _gunni_: There's something wrong with dpkg-preconfigure invocation -- and that means debconf trouble. But I have no idea why. :| | 21:18 |
| _gunni_ | http://pastebin.com/m44e38903 | 21:19 |
| smarter | Riddell: use bzr diff -r10..11 to get a nice debdiff ;) | 21:19 |
| * smarter disconnects | 21:19 | |
| _gunni_ | _gunni_: MAybe the backtrace can help at the crash | 21:20 |
| mornfall | _gunni_: Wow. Pretty obscure. | 21:21 |
| _gunni_ | mornfall of course ... i dont talk to myself usual | 21:21 |
| yuriy | ok it runs with sudo but not kdesudo | 21:21 |
| mornfall | _gunni_: Could you try to run it in valgrind? | 21:21 |
| mornfall | Looks like some nasty corruption is going on somewhere. | 21:22 |
| yuriy | crashed when I clicked on a tag | 21:22 |
| * yuriy needs to get debugging symbols | 21:22 | |
| _gunni_ | mornfall: Just for the protocol: starting with sudo, adept gets my color scheme, starting with kdesu or kdesudo it stays grey | 21:23 |
| _gunni_ | mornfall: I dont know valgrind, is it like gdb? | 21:23 |
| mornfall | _gunni_: Not really. Just run sudo valgrind /path/to/adept | 21:23 |
| mornfall | _gunni_: When it finishes, paste the output. It could be quite long though. | 21:23 |
| mornfall | It'll be quite slow. | 21:23 |
| * _gunni_ is installing valgrind | 21:24 | |
| * yuriy would love a valgrind that makes the application not more than 5 times slower | 21:24 | |
| mornfall | yuriy: Well, have you tried adept 2.1 in valgrind? 3.0 is a breeze. | 21:25 |
| _gunni_ | yuriy: The crash you have could be because of old packages, had that crash yesterday | 21:25 |
| mornfall | 30 minute startup under callgrind. | 21:25 |
| _gunni_ | mornfall: Should i try to reproduce the crash in valgrind? | 21:26 |
| mornfall | _gunni_: Yes, that would be great. | 21:26 |
| mornfall | It might not crash in valgrind, but it can still give the crash info. | 21:27 |
| _gunni_ | Bingo, did crash on first try :) | 21:27 |
| yuriy | mornfall: only thing I've used valgrind on is the raytracer I was working on for class last year, so that was with the program *normally* using all of a CPU and then some | 21:28 |
| mornfall | Ah. Yeah, painful. | 21:28 |
| _gunni_ | mornfall: http://pastebin.com/m37bcb7f3 | 21:28 |
| mornfall | Wow, that's some pretty bad shit going on. | 21:30 |
| mornfall | But at least, it's a null pointer dereference. | 21:30 |
| mornfall | In allocator. Great. | 21:30 |
| mornfall | Without apparent corruption before. | 21:31 |
| === skreechmiester is now known as DaskReecH | ||
| Riddell | smarter: you don't seem to have pushed your changes to that branch | 22:34 |
| JontheEchidna | oh em gee! | 22:35 |
| JontheEchidna | http://blog.vlad1.com/2008/05/06/well-isnt-that-qt | 22:35 |
| * JontheEchidna feels tingly downloading the source | 22:40 | |
| mornfall | :) | 22:47 |
| JontheEchidna | I just hope it doesn't die | 22:48 |
| devfil | Riddell: there? | 23:30 |
| Riddell | hi devfil | 23:32 |
| devfil | Riddell: can you take a look at https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdevelop/+bug/255458 ? | 23:32 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 255458 in kdevelop "kdevelop FTBFS in intrepid" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 23:32 |
| Riddell | ooh | 23:34 |
| Riddell | devfil: groovy, uploaded | 23:40 |
| devfil | thanks | 23:40 |
| Riddell | Nightrose: not a single alien in the x-files film | 23:40 |
| yuriy | Riddell: was is at as bad as I've read? | 23:45 |
| yuriy | *was it as | 23:45 |
| Riddell | yuriy: much like a run of the mill tv episode | 23:46 |
| Riddell | but without much spookyness | 23:46 |
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