[00:02]  * apachelogger is still wondering why xbmc needs svn builds back to feisty
[00:12] <Riddell> apachelogger: kde4libs uploaded thanks
[00:15] <mornfall> Riddell: Do you have an idea if things break very horribly when people install intrepid's apt on hardy? (I had it rebuilt for hardy in my PPA...).
[00:19] <Riddell> mornfall: I wouldn't know, but I'd hope not
[00:20] <mornfall> I'll put a fat warning on the announcement.
[00:21] <apachelogger> hm
[00:21] <apachelogger> why would the qt4 package in the kde4 ppa not have dh_strip executed with --dbg-package
[00:24] <apachelogger> Nightrose: updated kdelibs should be available quite soonish
[00:24] <apachelogger> please take it for a testdrive
[00:25] <Nightrose> apachelogger: will do - what does it fix?
[00:25] <Nightrose> my favourite bug? :P
[00:25] <apachelogger> how should I know? :P
[00:26] <Nightrose> apachelogger: anyway - not sure i have the energy to do it tonight
[00:26] <Nightrose> but will definitely tomorrow morning
[00:26] <apachelogger> by then someone well have eaten my shorts :P
[00:26]  * Riddell snoozes
[00:26] <apachelogger> nini Riddell
[00:27] <Nightrose> apachelogger: you wear shorts? ;-)
[00:27] <JontheEchidna> mornfall: adept doesn't start if I run it by kdesudo: http://pastebin.com/d450887c0
[00:27] <Nightrose> nini Riddell
[00:27] <apachelogger> Nightrose: I certainly do
[00:28] <Nightrose> cool
[00:28] <mornfall> JontheEchidna: Oh. Interesting.
[00:28] <mornfall> JontheEchidna: Is it maybe trying to use the .desktop file?
[00:28] <mornfall> Which might be borked, actually.
[00:29] <JontheEchidna> I could try giving it the executable path
[00:30] <JontheEchidna> same resutls
[00:30] <JontheEchidna> *results
[00:30] <JontheEchidna> with kdesudo /usr/bin/adept
[00:32] <mornfall> Dunno.
[00:32] <mornfall> I don't know much about kdesudo...
[00:32] <mornfall> You could try poking Tonio when he appears...
[00:36] <mornfall> Anyone with a hardy box around?
[00:36] <mornfall> |gunni|: (Already asleep?)
[00:39]  * mornfall bites the bullet and debootstraps hardy...
[00:57] <JontheEchidna> vorian: about the quotes around interesting in the package
[00:57] <JontheEchidna> the images in question may or may not be interesting
[00:57] <JontheEchidna> but they will be tagged as interesting by flickr
[00:58] <vorian> JontheEchidna: ok then
[00:59] <JontheEchidna> maybe I should say tagged as "intersting" to clarify
[01:00] <vorian> you can reword the description how ever you like
[01:00] <JontheEchidna> well if you were confused others might be
[01:01] <vorian> it makes it sound "suspicious"
[01:02] <vorian> like "neked" foto's
[01:02] <vorian> :P
[01:02] <JontheEchidna> :P
[01:02] <vorian> OH NOES!
[01:02] <JontheEchidna> http://pastebin.com/d61286449
[01:02] <vorian> here comes GLOBAL WARMIN!!!
[01:02] <vorian> run
[01:02] <JontheEchidna> heh
[01:03] <vorian> JontheEchidna: why not use dput?
[01:03] <JontheEchidna> maybe I need my lp name as the login
[01:03] <JontheEchidna> vorian: that is dput
[01:03] <vorian> weird
[01:03] <vorian> JontheEchidna: merge your account?
[01:04] <JontheEchidna> huh?
[01:04] <JontheEchidna> I remade my etc/dput.cf file when I reinstaled
[01:04] <vorian> nono
[01:04] <vorian> on revu, there is an option to merge accounts
[01:04] <vorian> sign in with your open id
[01:05] <JontheEchidna> oh, that must be new
[01:05] <vorian> "Logged in as vorian. Merge REVU Accounts  Your packages  Logout."
[01:05] <JontheEchidna> hrm, now what was that revu password...
[01:06] <vorian> JontheEchidna: use your openid from lp
[01:06] <vorian> JontheEchidna: do you like me hilighting your name every 5 seconds? :P
[01:06] <JontheEchidna> not really :P
[01:09]  * Hobbsee waves
[01:09]  * Hobbsee highlights vorian repeatedly.
[01:10] <vorian> hi Hobbsee :)
[01:10] <Hobbsee> heya!
[01:11] <JontheEchidna> still failing after account merge :(
[01:11] <vorian> it's a bad habit
[01:11] <vorian> JontheEchidna: did you try that gpg <<EOT thingy?
[01:11] <vorian> bah!
[01:11] <vorian> sorry
[01:11] <JontheEchidna> I got my old password and stuff
[01:11] <JontheEchidna> and merged properly
[01:11] <vorian> NCommander!
[01:12] <vorian> not here i see
[01:15] <ScottK> Normally if someone puts bugs in LP about PPA stuff, I just mark them invalid and laugh.
[01:15] <ScottK> For the Hardy KDE4 stuff is there an established plan for PPA bugs?
[01:16] <vorian> they should be filed as kubuntu-members-kde4 bugs
[01:16] <ScottK> Is there a bug tracker in there?
[01:17] <vorian> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members-kde4
[01:17] <vorian> small, but yes
[01:17] <vorian> hmm
[01:17] <ScottK> Those are subscriptions, not a different place for bugs.
[01:18] <ScottK> For example, https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/python-qt4/+bug/255045 is still an Ubuntu bug, but it shouldn't be because it's against the PPA package.
[01:18] <vorian> hmm
[01:20] <ScottK> My suggestion (generally) is to get Riddell to shove these over in hardy-backports (it has a separate bug tracker).  They'd be signed then too and I'd feel WAY better about that from a security perspective.
[01:21] <vorian> sounds like a good idea
[01:24] <mornfall> Oh yeah. What I wouldn't do...
[02:41] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: bug 255183
[02:43] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Did you search the different security databases they list in the template?
[02:45] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: Yeah, I couldn't find anything relating to the package
[02:45] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Dunno if it's actually required, but when I've done MIR in the past (I've done more than a dozen) I list them with the exact search I used and say none.
[03:50] <JontheEchidna> Hmm, there seems to be a lot of low-hanging fruit for kubuntu default settings. Maybe I should get off my ass one of these days and make some improvements...
[03:51] <JontheEchidna> but for now, bed. ;-)
[04:58] <digistyl3> hi there, will there be a Disk & Filesystems module in System Tools for KDE 4.1?
[05:01] <yuriy> digistyl3: someone needs to port it
[05:02] <digistyl3> yuriy: so currently noone is on it?
[05:10] <yuriy> digistyl3: no
[05:54] <supert0nes> does anyone else's folderview get scroll bars that don't line up with the plasmoid window?
[05:54] <supert0nes> shoot wrong channel, although ahh nevermind i'll ask in kubuntu-kde4
[07:56] <chmj> lo all
[08:59] <_StefanS_> morning
[09:01] <_StefanS_> Jucato: you therE?
[09:02] <_StefanS_> anyone know what to do if kde4 fails to start after kdm login ? - I'm just trying out intrepid and did a dist-upgrade from hardy
[09:03] <_StefanS_> all I have is the background wallpaper from kdm, and nothing else happens. I do remember that it was an easy fix last time, just cant remember what it was :D
[09:05] <davmor2> Riddell: you know the issue yesterday with X? Well when I tested an alt cd latter on I found out that there were missing kernel modules would that affect X?
[09:09] <_StefanS_> well it turns out the session that kdm had as default didn't work... selecting "KDE" in the Menu in kdm solved it
[10:21] <Riddell> mornfall: adept alpha 6 working super
[10:22] <Riddell> mornfall: still a crash on exit though http://paste.ubuntu.com/34665/
[10:23] <Riddell> seems to do some clever finding similar packages when I search
[10:23] <Riddell> how does it decide which tags to offer?
[10:38] <mornfall> Riddell: It uses xapian suggestions for extending the query, basically.
[10:38] <mornfall> Morning, too.
[10:38] <mornfall> Riddell: The crash on exit, yes, for some reason it doesn't happen on a source build with enabled debug. :|
[10:43] <Riddell> it also didn't start with kdesudo the first time I tried it, but has now.  a problem for Tonio I think
[10:45] <Riddell> I'd be tempted to have the Apply Changes button available on all pages
[10:49] <mornfall> Riddell: Yeah, me too, and I guess people will complain about it...
[10:49] <mornfall> Riddell: But they usually complain more if it *is* everywhere. It seems.
[11:04] <Riddell> mornfall: doing an upgrade it seems to have got stuck on Hal
[11:05] <mornfall> Riddell: Do you have terminal output around?
[11:05] <Riddell> http://www.kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/adept-stuck.png
[11:05] <mornfall> Uhm.
[11:06] <mornfall> Can you strace -p `pgrep dpkg` maybe?
[11:06] <mornfall> It doesn't seem to be doing anything, hm, dangerous.
[11:06] <Riddell> hang on, something has happened
[11:07] <Riddell> http://www.kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/adept-stuck2.png
[11:07] <mornfall> Riddell: Can you resize the window to make the error fit in?
[11:08] <mornfall> (I am adding a scrollbar to todo, it seems... :)
[11:08] <Riddell> http://paste.ubuntu.com/34676/
[11:08] <mornfall> Riddell: Nono, in the adept window...
[11:09] <mornfall> Below "the error was:" it's too long to fit.
[11:09] <Riddell> http://www.kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/adept-stuck3.png
[11:09] <mornfall> Interesting.
[11:09] <mornfall> dpkg just died...
[11:09] <mornfall> Well, hit OK. This is something I can't do much about I guess...
[11:10] <mornfall> I mean, the hal post-install script died with an error. Nothing I can fix. Maybe make the error more malleable. :)
[11:14] <Riddell> crash..
[11:15] <Riddell> http://paste.ubuntu.com/34682/
[11:16] <Riddell> with this on command line http://paste.ubuntu.com/34683/
[11:16] <Riddell> running dpkg --configure -a manually and hal restarts fine
[11:21] <mornfall> Oh, hmm, seems I don't really handle exceptions from recovery.
[11:22] <mornfall> Do you think it's related to Adept that invoke-rc.d fails to start hal?
[11:22] <mornfall> I have no idea how that could happen.
[11:23] <mornfall> Ah, yes, indeed, the recovery code needs some fixing.
[11:23] <mornfall> But it doesn't explain the mysterious "hal failed to start" problem.
[11:24] <Riddell> if I downgrade hal then do a dist-upgrade again from the command line it all works fine
[11:25] <mornfall> And when you try from adept?
[11:25] <Riddell> it works fine
[11:25] <mornfall> ...
[11:26] <Riddell> so, hmm, shrug, who knows
[11:26] <mornfall> What would you suggest? : - )
[11:26] <mornfall> I've TODO-ed the recovery crash, it's easy-fix.
[11:26] <Riddell> ignore it until anyone else reports the same issue I'd suggest :)
[11:27] <mornfall> Riddell: Well, if the recovery doesn't crash, it should lead everyone through it, maybe with some minor scars. If recovery fails, it *is supposed* to tell user to hit ok to exit adept and run dpkg --configure -a... (And not crash, right.)
[11:28] <Riddell> oh, hmm
[11:28] <mornfall> Which for mysterious errors of this kind is probably the next best thing to magic that we can do.
[11:28] <Riddell> if I run it through kdesudo then it stalls on upgrading hal again
[11:28] <mornfall> Oh...
[11:29] <mornfall> Kdesudo dislikes adept seriously.
[11:29] <Riddell> it does seem to
[11:29]  * Riddell eyes up Tonio_ 
[11:30] <Tonio_> ?
[11:30] <Tonio_> hum it segfaults, indeed :)
[11:31] <Riddell> /usr/lib/kde4/libexec/kdesu.distrib "adept updater"   that works fine
[11:31] <Tonio_> Riddell: sudo adept_manager fails too
[11:31] <Riddell> Tonio_: we're talking about adept 3 alpaha in ~mornfall PPA
[11:31] <Tonio_> hum oki testing
[11:34] <Riddell> I wonder if it's to do with adept being a KUniqueApp again, that confused it before I remember
[11:34] <DRebellion> Riddell, I've been having a few hal issues after installing and purging kubuntu-kde4-desktop, don't know if it's related though.
[11:35] <mornfall> Riddell: Oh, it is?
[11:36] <mornfall> It's not.
[11:36] <mornfall>     KApplication app;
[11:36] <Riddell> mornfall: oh well, there goes that idea
[11:36] <mornfall> I'm wary of KUniqueApp after all the su issues. :)
[11:37] <Tonio_> Riddell: same problem with sudo on my side
[11:37] <Tonio_> Riddell: searching for a package results a segfault
[11:37] <mornfall> Tonio_: What distro?
[11:38] <mornfall> Tonio_: It shouldn't happen twice. Probably something about Xapian updates being mishandled somewhere. :|
[11:38] <Tonio_> mornfall: kubuntu intrepid
[11:38] <mornfall> Weird.
[11:38] <mornfall> Can you try running it again?
[11:39] <Tonio_> mornfall: yep
[11:40] <Tonio_> mornfall: well it now seems to work correctly with kdesudo
[11:40] <Tonio_> and sudo
[11:40] <mornfall> Right.
[12:32] <davmor2> Riddell: yay livecd is working again however the usplash went away again :(
[12:34] <Riddell> ho hum
[12:34] <Riddell> davmor2: so you have a kubuntu desktop?  could you send a screenshot?
[12:34] <davmor2> 2 ticks just trying the installer
[12:54] <JontheEchidna> Ok, so I'm having trouble running self-compiled Qt apps
[12:54] <JontheEchidna> Cannot mix incompatible Qt libraries
[12:54] <JontheEchidna> Aborted (core dumped)
[12:55] <Riddell> got gtk-qt-engine installed?
[12:55] <Riddell> well, that shouldn't really matter
[12:55] <Riddell> do you have two Qts on the system?
[12:55] <JontheEchidna> nope
[12:56] <JontheEchidna> (nope @ gtk-qt-engine
[12:56] <JontheEchidna> uh, I don't think I have 2 Qts
[12:56] <JontheEchidna> maybe Qt3 for where KDE3 apps need it
[12:56] <JontheEchidna> jonathan@jonathan-desktop:~/gitrepos/screenie$ ldd screenie | grep -i Qt
[12:56] <JontheEchidna>         libQtGui.so.4 => /usr/lib/libQtGui.so.4 (0xb763a000)
[12:56] <JontheEchidna>         libQtCore.so.4 => /usr/lib/libQtCore.so.4 (0xb740c000)
[12:57] <JontheEchidna> Hmm, several different .sos
[12:57] <mornfall> Seems I have found the double-free problem afterall...
[12:57] <JontheEchidna> I have an so.4.4
[12:58] <JontheEchidna> so.4.4.1
[12:58] <JontheEchidna> so.4
[12:58] <JontheEchidna> and just a plain old .so
[12:58] <JontheEchidna> how do I get it to link against the newest one?
[12:58] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: they should be symlinks
[12:58] <Riddell> mornfall: I always said you were a genius
[12:59] <mornfall> :P
[12:59] <JontheEchidna> they are symlinks
[12:59] <JontheEchidna> so why isn't it working...
[13:03] <JontheEchidna> Happens with multiple apps too
[13:05] <apachelogger> Riddell: http://aplg.kollide.net/kubuntu/debdiffs/kde4bindings_4.1.0-0ubuntu2_to_ubuntu3.diff
[13:06] <davmor2> Riddell: should be http://www.davmor2.co.uk/kde4.png
[13:06] <apachelogger> hm, some of my keyboard keys stopped working -.-
[13:07] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: uninstall kde-nightly
[13:07] <JontheEchidna> aaah
[13:07] <JontheEchidna> :(
[13:07] <JontheEchidna> well that sucks
[13:08]  * apachelogger needs to get his keyboard fixed
[13:09] <JontheEchidna> would I need to recompile stuff?
[13:09] <JontheEchidna> nope
[13:09] <JontheEchidna> thanks apachelogger
[13:09] <JontheEchidna> and idea if/when a fix for kde-nighlty could be made?
[13:11] <Riddell> ah good, looks like JontheEchidna's new plasma layout worked then
[13:11] <JontheEchidna> :)
[13:11] <Riddell> apachelogger: what does that do?
[13:11] <Riddell> seems like quite a generic binary name
[13:12] <Riddell> also /usr/share/kde4/apps/pykde4/kde4.py isn't executable
[13:21] <apachelogger> Riddell: indeed
[13:21]  * apachelogger screwed up
[13:21] <apachelogger> \sh: does pykde4 need to be executable?
[13:24] <apachelogger> Riddell: shouldn't the desktop effects be turned on in k-d-s?
[13:24] <apachelogger> rather than patching kdebase
[13:27] <vorian> morning
[13:28] <apachelogger> yo vorian
[13:28] <vorian> how goes?
[13:33] <mornfall> Morning.
[13:37] <vorian> yo
[13:38] <\sh> apachelogger: you mean pykdeuic4 ? yes
[13:38] <apachelogger> [15:47:35] <jjesse> "/usr/share/kde4/apps/pykde4/kde4.py"
[13:38] <apachelogger> [15:47:46] <\sh> apachelogger: please fix this for intrepid ;()
[13:38] <apachelogger> \sh: ^
[13:38] <apachelogger> vorian: sanity is leaving
[13:39] <vorian> sanity has left?
[13:40] <\sh> apachelogger: nope..this kde4.py does not need to be 755 just 644
[13:40] <apachelogger> does pykdeuic4?
[13:40] <\sh> it's been imported by some magic pyqt4 stuff
[13:40]  * apachelogger is wondering whether pykdeuic4 is
[13:40] <\sh> apachelogger: pykdeuic4 needs to be 755 because it's being executed
[13:41] <vorian> DRebellion: looking now
[13:41] <apachelogger> \sh: seems reasonable ;-)
[13:41]  * apachelogger installs python-kde4-dev
[13:42] <apachelogger> it's not right now -.-
[13:42] <\sh> apachelogger: in intrepid?
[13:42] <Riddell> apachelogger: it needs kdebase since that's where the test for blacklist is, k-d-s can only do a simple on or off nothing clever
[13:42] <apachelogger> yeah
[13:43] <\sh> apachelogger: yes..that's why I said, pls fix it..the package in the ppa seems to be more sane then intrepids one..
[13:43] <apachelogger> Riddell: ok
[13:43] <apachelogger> \sh: I am really wondering who made them differ that much :P
[13:44] <apachelogger> \sh: why do we need to link kde4.py to usr/bin anyway?
[13:44]  * apachelogger is looking at the hardy package
[13:44] <\sh> apachelogger: there is no link of kde4.py to /usr/bin...
[13:44] <\sh> apachelogger: pykdeuic4.py needs to be a symlink to /usr/bin/pykdeuic4
[13:45] <apachelogger> true
[13:45] <apachelogger> what about usr/lib/kde4/share/kde4/apps/pykde4/kde4.py usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/PyQt4/uic/widget-plugins/kde4.py
[13:45] <apachelogger> ^ from the hardy package
[13:45] <\sh> apachelogger: kde4.py needs to be symlinked to /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/PyQt4/uic/widget-plugins/
[13:46] <\sh> apachelogger: that's correct...this kde4.py is a plugin for pyqt4
[13:46] <apachelogger> you know
[13:46] <apachelogger> ruby > python :P
[13:46] <apachelogger> even packagingwise
[13:46] <\sh> apachelogger: without this, the real uic compiler of pyqt4 doesn't know about the kde4 widgets
[13:48] <\sh> apachelogger: most people do it manually every time..but this issue is now an upstream issue, actually...because the old upstream tarball worked like a charm ;)
[13:48] <\sh> (before it went into kde-svn)
[13:48] <apachelogger> yeah, I talked with sime
[13:49] <apachelogger> we came to the conclusion that cmake should create the links
[13:49] <apachelogger> looking at svn it still doesn't
[13:49] <\sh> apachelogger: that sounds very sane...if it's done correctly...but without pyqt4 you can't even use pykde4
[13:49] <\sh> so yes
[13:49]  * apachelogger fixes that god damn issue upstream
[13:50] <davmor2> Riddell: sorry Lunch.  The only issue I see with layout and visuals is the white around the volume control applet
[13:51] <\sh> apachelogger: it's just important that this issue is being dealt with before intrepid release
[13:54] <DRebellion> vorian, great
[14:51] <nixternal> good morning kubuntu!
[14:52] <Riddell> why, it's nixternal
[14:52] <nixternal> wasabi Riddell...how goeth your day thus far?
[14:53] <nixternal> vorian: we need to get some KDE and Kubuntu swag for Ohio Linux Fest before its to late
[14:53] <txwikinger> hi Riddell, nixternal
[14:53] <nixternal> hiya txwikinger
[14:55] <Riddell> nixternal: not bad, working hard on system-config-printer-kde at last
[14:55] <nixternal> woo :)
[14:56] <nixternal> well, system-config-printer for gnome doesn't pick up our office printers, so maybe I can help out once I figure out where the heck our printers even are right now
[14:56] <nixternal> the HP Toolbox thing can pick them up though
[14:56] <nixternal> well it picks up the HP printer but doesn't find the Xerox printer
[14:57] <Riddell> I've noticed a random HP icon in my systray, not sure where that came from but I want to get rid of it
[14:58] <nixternal> that is from the HP toolbox as I have seen it once
[15:06] <apachelogger> \sh: whom do I poke to get an ok on my patch?
[15:06] <\sh> apachelogger: for pykde4 and buildsystem? imho sime
[15:07] <apachelogger> k
[15:58] <Jucato> anyone tried installing kubuntu-restricted-extras on a fresh intrepid lately?
[15:59] <JontheEchidna> yeah
[15:59] <JontheEchidna> a few days ago
[15:59] <JontheEchidna> worked ok
[15:59] <Jucato> kinda strange... it wants to install a lot, like firefox ang libgnome stuff
[15:59] <JontheEchidna> yeah, I noticed that
[15:59] <Jucato> funky :)
[15:59] <JontheEchidna> well I already had firefox so I didn't see that
[15:59] <Jucato> if I use -R (or --no-install-recommends) it just installs the kubuntu-restricted-extras metapackage and nothing else
[16:02] <Jucato> ah I see... kubuntu-restricted-extras just has Recommends for the stuff it needs to install...
[16:04] <yuriy> maybe the java plugin recommends firefox and so on?
[16:04] <yuriy> or similar for flash
[16:05] <ScottK> Jucato: That's so you can remove some stuff without removing the metapackage.
[16:06] <Jucato> ScottK: the problem is that on the first install of kubuntu-restricted-extras on a fresh intrepid, it will install 64 packages :)
[16:07] <ScottK> Jucato: Yes.  That's how metapackages work.  It may be that some of the packages have excessive recommends.
[16:07] <ScottK> That's worth looking into and fixing.
[16:07] <Jucato> http://pastebin.com/m4398fd7f
[16:09] <ScottK> Jucato: Definitely some recommends that need to get pared down.
[16:09]  * Jucato nods
[16:11] <Jucato> ScottK: does apt-get automatically install suggests as well?
[16:12] <ScottK> Jucato: Not by default.
[16:12] <Jucato> oh. sun-java6-plugin depends on (a) firefox
[16:13] <Jucato> yep, that seems to be one of the offenders
[16:16] <ScottK> I'd suggest hunting down the one that wants gksu.
[16:18] <JontheEchidna> ubufox
[16:19] <JontheEchidna> I think
[16:19] <ScottK> Does it work with kdesudo?
[16:20]  * JontheEchidna doesn't know much about ubufox
[16:20] <Xand3r> apachelogger: school has started, i dont know i if i have time in the next weeks
[16:22] <mornfall> Btw., what's LPIA, really? "low power x86" is all I can find.
[16:22]  * ScottK restrains himself from urging people to ignore their studies.
[16:22] <Riddell> mornfall: that's it, Intel's mobile device variant of x86
[16:22] <ScottK> mornfall: That's pretty much it.  It's for smaller mobile devices.
[16:23] <Riddell> not sure what it's marketed as in the real world
[16:23] <Jucato> JontheEchidna: yeah, you're right. about ubufox
[16:24] <Jucato> firefox-3.0 recommends ubufox; ubufox depends on apturl, apturl depends on synaptic etc. etc.
[16:24] <mornfall> Ah, hm, interesting. http://news.cnet.com/Intels-third-stab-at-consumer-electronics/2100-1006_3-5837393.html
[16:26] <yuriy> is this the Atom or something else?
[16:26] <ScottK> Jucato: Then I think we need to look at ubufox and see if we can get it working on a more KDE like basis (or maybe do a KDE look equivalent as an alternate recommends).
[16:28] <Jucato> ScottK: but I'm wondering why sun-java6-plugin depends on firefox
[16:28] <Riddell> yuriy: that rings a bell
[16:28] <Jucato> (but then again, afaik, Konqueror doesn't need the -plugin actually, only the -bin)
[16:28] <yuriy> Riddell: I thinkt that's what's in the netbooks
[16:29] <mornfall> FAIK (and
[16:29] <mornfall> > according to [1]), Ubuntu's lpia "port" is only about compiling packages
[16:29] <mornfall> > using different optimization options.
[16:29] <mornfall> >
[16:29] <mornfall> > [1] http://lwn.net/Articles/247003/
[16:30] <Riddell> sounds about right
[16:38] <DRebellion> vorian, how's monkeystudio looking?
[16:41] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: could you sponsor bug 255171?
[16:42] <JontheEchidna> (see second debdiff)
[16:48] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: I'd need the new .orig
[16:48] <JontheEchidna> I'll upload it
[16:49] <Riddell> I wonder what the "Holsworthy Memorial Hall meetings" posting to kubuntu-users is about
[16:51] <JontheEchidna> Attachment ktorrent_3.1.2+dfsg.1.orig.tar.gz added to bug.
[16:55] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: looks good, uploading
[16:55] <JontheEchidna> cool
[16:56] <Riddell> hypercool!
[16:56] <Riddell> as they say in France
[16:56] <JontheEchidna> heh
[16:57] <davmor2> Riddell: I love the checkers board at restart :)
[16:59] <DRebellion> apachelogger, ping
[18:42] <devfil> Riddell: there?
[18:44] <Riddell> hi devfil
[18:45] <devfil> Riddell: I'm working to kdevelop FTBFS, it build-dep on libcvsservice-dev, it should be removed, right?
[18:45] <Riddell> devfil: yes I guess so, libcvsservice-dev isn't in KDE 4
[18:46] <devfil> Riddell: there is another problem, python2.5 (a build-dep on kdevelop) depends on libdb4.6, kdevelop build-dep on libdb-dev (is install libdb4.7 that conflicts with libdb4.6)
[18:46] <devfil> so, I should patch python2.5 or modify libdb-dev to libdb4.6-dev in build-dep?
[18:48] <devfil> Riddell: maybe build-dep on libdb4.6-dev instead of libdb-dev is the best thing to do
[18:50] <Riddell> devfil: why?  4.6 looks old
[18:50] <Riddell> oh, you said
[18:51] <devfil> it actually build-dep on 4.7
[18:51] <devfil> python2.5 on 4.6
[18:51] <Riddell> devfil: right, go with libdb4.6-dev for now I guess
[18:51] <devfil> ok
[19:03] <Riddell> 19:01 < DxOffEagle> Riddell: are you the go-to guy for the KDE4.1 packages for kubuntu? Seems like they forget to run update-mime-database...
[19:03] <Riddell> 19:03 < Riddell> mm, that should be done by dh_installmime
[19:03] <Riddell> note to self, or anyone else who cares to look ^^
[19:03]  * Riddell out to watch X-Files film!
[19:04] <Nightrose> ohhhhh Riddell - do tell what it is like when you get back ;-)
[19:04] <Nightrose> have fun
[19:16] <smarter> hey there
[19:23] <skreechmiester> Whoot upgraded Ubuntu
[19:23] <skreechmiester> Took a day :)
[19:44] <_gunni_> mornfall: Did someone already tested the apt packages in your ppa?
[19:44] <_gunni_> (For Hardy)
[19:46] <yuriy> _gunni_: aptitude is crashing now since I installed adept and kde4 from PPA, so I wouldn't recommend it right now
[19:47] <_gunni_> yuriy: ok
[19:49] <_gunni_> yuriy: How about apt-get? I dont use aptitude anyways
[19:51] <yuriy> umm it's acting a little weird but I don't know if that's normal
[19:51] <yuriy> it's just telling me 2 packages are held back and doing nothing about it
[19:51] <_gunni_> yuriy: That yould be normal
[19:52] <_gunni_> If you try to install one package of this you should get dependency problems displayed
[19:52] <_gunni_> I will just try myself
[19:58] <_gunni_> yuriy: For me there are no held packages
[19:59] <_gunni_> But aptitude crashing on upgrade, though update works with aptitude
[19:59] <skreechmiester> bug 255412
[20:18] <Arby> anybody around who can help me figure out why kio_sysinfo doesn't like binary files?
[20:19] <Arby> if I have the files in src/about/kubuntu/images/*.png present
[20:19] <Arby> I get this error when running debuild http://paste.ubuntu.com/34863/
[20:20] <Arby> if I remove the images directory and remove the entry from about/kubuntu/CMakeLists that installs those files then it compiles
[20:20] <Arby> looks awful but is able to compile install and run
[20:21] <Arby> no idea why
[20:21] <Arby> but apparently those png files require special handling
[20:21] <Arby> but what and how
[20:24] <mornfall> yuriy: Oh, hm. Maybe I should update aptitude there as well -- given libapt-pkg has been updated and APT is not famous for ABI compatibility.
[20:25] <_gunni_> mornfall: I now can give you a little update on the packages
[20:25] <_gunni_> Like yuriy said aptitude is broken, but apt-get functions, adept does not crash anymore on searching, but searching is buggy "fire" does not find firefox, but "firefox" does find it
[20:26] <_gunni_> After updating sources apply button is clickable, but has no function as there are no updates
[20:26] <mornfall> _gunni_: Well, there's no fire in firefox... it's a keyword-based search. You don't expect google to turn up firefox when you google for fire, do you?
[20:26] <_gunni_> In "details" only installed files work
[20:27] <mornfall> Indeed, that's not really a bug but missing features. I'll remove the tabs before final.
[20:27] <_gunni_> mornfall: well, in the old adept you start typing, and it started search, so i was used to
[20:27] <mornfall> (Unless I receive patches to implement them, that is.)
[20:27] <coreymon77> hi everybody!
[20:27] <coreymon77> im home!
[20:28] <_gunni_> mornfall: So thats the status for me now in hardy
[20:28] <coreymon77> anyone miss me?
[20:28] <_gunni_> Did not try upgrade yet, as there are no upgrades yes
[20:29] <mornfall> _gunni_: K, thanks for the report.
[20:30] <Nightrose> heya coreymon77 :)
[20:30] <Nightrose> what have you been up to?
[20:30] <coreymon77> hey
[20:30] <coreymon77> im back
[20:30] <coreymon77> ive been in israel
[20:31] <coreymon77> trip
[20:31] <coreymon77> just got home earlier today
[20:31] <coreymon77> 5 weeks
[20:31] <Nightrose> nice
[20:32] <skreechmiester> shalom
[20:32] <coreymon77> you to
[20:32] <coreymon77> o
[20:33] <coreymon77> its alright, everyone can calm down now, im back
[20:33] <coreymon77> :)
[20:33] <coreymon77> ;)
[20:34]  * skreechmiester hyperventilates
[20:35] <mornfall> ...
[20:51] <_gunni_> mornfall: Just one additional comment: As the search box is find-as-you-type, in my opinion its not clear, that "fire" does not find firefox
[20:52] <mornfall> _gunni_: Dunno. We'll see if additional comments appear on that.
[20:53] <mornfall> I actually dislike partial matches, because they pollute the search badly in other cases.
[20:53] <mornfall> And compromising valid results for fire getting to firefox sounds as a bad decision to me.
[20:53] <_gunni_> If for everyone else its ok, its ok for me, just my thoughts on it. Additionally its because old adept handled it like this
[20:53] <mornfall> Yes, I understand. But the search is very different now.
[20:54] <mornfall> It's also gotten much faster and accurate as a result. :)
[20:54] <_gunni_> Yes, much faster. Old adept was kinda slow at this point
[20:54] <JontheEchidna> That's one of my favorite 3.0 features, speed.
[20:55] <mornfall> JontheEchidna: Are there any others? *wink*
[20:56] <_gunni_> btw. does someone know a kde4 package with very few lines of code, to look at for learning how to hack kde?
[20:56] <_gunni_> Maybe a little application, not a lib for the start
[20:56] <skreechmiester> I shoudl install adept :(
[20:56] <mornfall> Just pleaaase don't look at adept. ; - )
[20:56] <skreechmiester> Ha ha
[20:56] <skreechmiester> it's intrepid only?
[20:56] <mornfall> skreechmiester: Hardy, Interpid, Debian.
[20:56] <mornfall> Intrepid*
[20:57] <mornfall> (A very persistent typo.)
[20:57] <skreechmiester> mornfall: That's what DBUS is for
[20:57] <JontheEchidna> mornfall: The GUI is also much more straightforward
[20:57] <_gunni_> skreechmiester: But on hardy it breaks aptitude, now (just a warning), apt-get will work
[20:58] <skreechmiester> What's aptitude ^_^
[20:58] <mornfall> _gunni_: Oh, can you try updating? It might have new aptitude in there.
[20:58] <skreechmiester> I got over that once i didn't need the tui
[20:58] <mornfall> _gunni_: Which hopefully won't crash anymore.
[20:59] <JontheEchidna> adept3 has been much better about crashes :P
[21:00] <mornfall> Good. Beta has even more fixes in that department already.
[21:01] <_gunni_> Ups, crash on upgrade ... but were just some xine packages, aptitude not there
[21:01] <mornfall> Duh.
[21:01] <mornfall> What kind of crash?
[21:02] <_gunni_> http://pastebin.com/m4a55cee0
[21:02] <mornfall> Extremely weird.
[21:03] <mornfall> Hardy hates me.
[21:03] <mornfall> _gunni_: Can you run in gdb and get a backtrace?
[21:03] <_gunni_> Downloading packages seem to run, but right after that it crashes
[21:03] <_gunni_> I dont know if i have the skill for that but i can try
[21:04] <mornfall> sudo gdb --args adept
[21:04] <mornfall> r
[21:04] <mornfall> when it crashes, type: bt
[21:04] <mornfall> paste all of it, then
[21:06] <_gunni_> Lol, now it dows not crash, but dont upgrade also
[21:06] <mornfall> Uhm...
[21:06] <_gunni_> Wait, i will try once more
[21:10] <_gunni_> mornfall: So, crashes only on exit now: http://pastebin.com/m7be51a0b ,but does not do the upgrade
[21:10] <mornfall> What'd you mean, does not do the upgrade?
[21:11] <mornfall> The exit crash is known and probably fixed already.
[21:11] <_gunni_> Pressing "upgrade" it shows the upgradable packages, pressing "apply changes" does download the packages, but not installing them
[21:12] <mornfall> Does it say anything in the GUI?
[21:12] <mornfall> Seems to be a problem with debconf of some sort.
[21:13] <mornfall> yuriy: Does Adept work for you on hardy? Especially installation/removal/upgrades?
[21:13] <yuriy> haven't actually had a chance to test it since upgrading to 4.1 took a while, I'll try now
[21:14] <_gunni_> mornfall: "Building dependency tree" ... "Reading State information" .." The operation finished successful ..."
[21:14] <mornfall> _gunni_: Quite interesting.
[21:15] <_gunni_> Right after that i can press upgrade again, and apply the same changes, as no changes were made
[21:15] <yuriy> mornfall: well for starters I can't launch it as root because sudo is broken for kde4 on hardy
[21:15] <mornfall> Ahw.
[21:16] <_gunni_> yuriy: For me it works with sudo, kdesu and kdesudo ...
[21:16] <mornfall> Although that part seems to work for _gunni_ ...
[21:16] <yuriy> _gunni_: kdesudo gives me command not found
[21:16] <_gunni_> Oh, you have to give the complete path to adept
[21:16] <yuriy> oh right, I knew that
[21:16] <_gunni_> kdesudo /usr/lib/kde4/bin/adept
[21:16]  * yuriy is tired of debugging
[21:17] <yuriy> mornfall: I did notice that it tries to create the xapian index when not launched as root
[21:17] <mornfall> yuriy: Hmm, indeed. I should probably fix that.
[21:18] <_gunni_> mornfall: Have the crash again, now i try to get a backtrace
[21:18] <smarter> Riddell: hi, I've made a fix for gpm ftbfs on lp:~kubuntu-members/guidance/powermanager-ubuntu (not tested, I don't have a pbuilder on my eee)
[21:18] <mornfall> _gunni_: There's something wrong with dpkg-preconfigure invocation -- and that means debconf trouble. But I have no idea why. :|
[21:19] <_gunni_> http://pastebin.com/m44e38903
[21:19] <smarter> Riddell: use bzr diff -r10..11 to get a nice debdiff ;)
[21:19]  * smarter disconnects
[21:20] <_gunni_> _gunni_: MAybe the backtrace can help at the crash
[21:21] <mornfall> _gunni_: Wow. Pretty obscure.
[21:21] <_gunni_> mornfall of course ... i dont talk to myself usual
[21:21] <yuriy> ok it runs with sudo but not kdesudo
[21:21] <mornfall> _gunni_: Could you try to run it in valgrind?
[21:22] <mornfall> Looks like some nasty corruption is going on somewhere.
[21:22] <yuriy> crashed when I clicked on a tag
[21:22]  * yuriy needs to get debugging symbols
[21:23] <_gunni_> mornfall: Just for the protocol: starting with sudo, adept gets my color scheme, starting with kdesu or kdesudo it stays grey
[21:23] <_gunni_> mornfall: I dont know valgrind, is it like gdb?
[21:23] <mornfall> _gunni_: Not really. Just run sudo valgrind /path/to/adept
[21:23] <mornfall> _gunni_: When it finishes, paste the output. It could be quite long though.
[21:23] <mornfall> It'll be quite slow.
[21:24]  * _gunni_ is installing valgrind
[21:24]  * yuriy would love a valgrind that makes the application not more than 5 times slower
[21:25] <mornfall> yuriy: Well, have you tried adept 2.1 in valgrind? 3.0 is a breeze.
[21:25] <_gunni_> yuriy: The crash you have could be because of old packages, had that crash yesterday
[21:25] <mornfall> 30 minute startup under callgrind.
[21:26] <_gunni_> mornfall: Should i try to reproduce the crash in valgrind?
[21:26] <mornfall> _gunni_: Yes, that would be great.
[21:27] <mornfall> It might not crash in valgrind, but it can still give the crash info.
[21:27] <_gunni_> Bingo, did crash on first try :)
[21:28] <yuriy> mornfall: only thing I've used valgrind on is the raytracer I was working on for class last year, so that was with the program *normally* using all of a CPU and then some
[21:28] <mornfall> Ah. Yeah, painful.
[21:28] <_gunni_> mornfall: http://pastebin.com/m37bcb7f3
[21:30] <mornfall> Wow, that's some pretty bad shit going on.
[21:30] <mornfall> But at least, it's a null pointer dereference.
[21:30] <mornfall> In allocator. Great.
[21:31] <mornfall> Without apparent corruption before.
[22:34] <Riddell> smarter: you don't seem to have pushed your changes to that branch
[22:35] <JontheEchidna> oh em gee!
[22:35] <JontheEchidna> http://blog.vlad1.com/2008/05/06/well-isnt-that-qt
[22:40]  * JontheEchidna feels tingly downloading the source
[22:47] <mornfall> :)
[22:48] <JontheEchidna> I just hope it doesn't die
[23:30] <devfil> Riddell: there?
[23:32] <Riddell> hi devfil
[23:32] <devfil> Riddell: can you take a look at https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdevelop/+bug/255458 ?
[23:34] <Riddell> ooh
[23:40] <Riddell> devfil: groovy, uploaded
[23:40] <devfil> thanks
[23:40] <Riddell> Nightrose: not a single alien in the x-files film
[23:45] <yuriy> Riddell: was is at as bad as I've read?
[23:45] <yuriy> *was it as
[23:46] <Riddell> yuriy: much like a run of the mill tv episode
[23:46] <Riddell> but without much spookyness