[00:00] <bdmurray> Yes, absolutely.  Especially in this case as we can provide more detailed instructions for the Ubuntu openoffice.org maintainer
[00:00] <nhandler> Yes it is jthan. I personally won't patch bugs that have not been confirmed
[00:01] <jthan> nhandler: I wouldn't either, could be a big waste of time
[00:01] <jthan> bdmurray: so it's a start for me.
[00:01] <jthan> nhandler: How do you patch a bug, anyhow?
[00:02] <nhandler> jthan: I can't get you a link right now (FF is acting up). But they have many guides in the wiki. The #ubuntu-motu channel is also filled with people that can help you
[00:02] <jthan> nhandler: okay. Thanks much.\
[00:04] <bdmurray> jthan: So if you look at the bug now you'll see how I've updated it
[00:05] <jthan> bdmurray: yeah. And I'm already registered with launchpad
[00:05] <jthan> Well that's a start for me.
[00:06] <bdmurray> Great!  If you have any questions feel free to ask.
[00:07] <jthan> bdmurray: thanks. I appreciate the help. As I said toward the end of the month programming classes begin so I might try to get into that end of bug fixing (the actual fixing :-P)
[00:10] <lifeless> bdmurray: did you see my link yesterday ?
[00:11] <bdmurray> lifeless: I seem to recall skimming it very briefly
[00:11] <lifeless> k, mission achieved then
[00:12] <bdmurray> not a very big mission?
[00:12] <lifeless> get you to see the link
[00:13] <lifeless> not big at all :)
[00:15] <patchcr> I am new to the BugSquad
[00:15] <patchcr> I figured this would be the best place to start
[00:16] <patchcr> anyone willing to chat pvt me to help me find a niche?
[00:17] <LimCore> is it a good idea to install now pgp5 from interpid (to tets https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/php-imagick/+bug/203023)  and later just wait untill it is in hardy?  Im on production box, dont want to screw it up
[00:18] <bdmurray> patchcr: Is there a particular application or package that you like a lot or are interested in?  I think that is the best place to start.
[00:19] <LimCore> * php5
[00:20] <patchcr> Um,  I am particularly interested in working on audio packages but I'm not very familiar with the package structure.  I haven't done any formal bug hunting for Ubunutu
[02:51] <jedijf> hey, we are trying to get setup for Global and the --update is failing with error 768 - any ideas?
[02:53] <anakron> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/255179  >> must be in Wishlist!
[02:55] <anakron> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dbus-python/+bug/255178 >> Must be in Wishlist
[03:05] <anakron> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/plasmoid-quickaccess/+bug/255183  >> Must be in Wishlist
[03:08]  * Hobbsee ponders a "this is a wishlist" thing when filing.
[03:09] <anakron> ok
[04:00] <charlie-tca> Need some advice here. I have a bug 153744 that I would like to have verified. Debian released an update on
[04:00] <charlie-tca> July 4, 2008 for tinyproxy. Can I request this be used to verify if the bug was fixed?
[04:59] <anakron> Hey, i want to know how to Help with packaged that need to be sync
[05:26] <persia> anakron: How do you mean?
[05:29] <anakron> I wanna know how i can help in package that need to be sync
[05:31] <anakron> cause every time that im looking for bugs i saw: Please sync ...[package]...from Debian...
[05:31] <persia> There's usually not much that can be done with those.
[05:32] <persia> For the most part, they are filed by developers who have already tested everything, and are just a request to the archive-admins to perform a sync.
[05:32] <persia> If you really want to work on them, you might check to see if either the submitter or someone with a comment including "ACK" is a member of the ubuntu-dev group.
[05:33] <persia> If they aren't, and neither of the sponsors groups are subscribed, you might review the Sync Request Process on the wiki, and chat with the submitter or commenters to see how the bug is progressing.
[05:34] <persia> Typically, it's not a good idea to add more comments to these bugs unless you are a developer, but sometimes bugs of that format are submitted that aren't quite right.
[05:35] <persia> More generally, if you want to work with those, I'd recommend working with the MOTU to learn how they work, and process some yourself: at this point you'd be in a better position to help others who might have filed such bugs (but be very careful not to annoy developers by providing help when they don't want or need it)
[05:45] <anakron> ok thx, but i think that my skills are less than average jojo cause i dont know develop apps so i cant do much.
[05:45] <anakron> i dont know how to develop apps so i cant do much.
[05:49] <persia> anakron: In that case, I'll recommend ignoring the "Please sync..." bugs until you've learned more :)  There's plenty of other bugs about.
[05:50] <anakron> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ktorrent/+bug/255128 >>> Must be in whislist!
[05:50] <anakron> :-) ok
[05:51] <mrooney> persia: thanks :)
[05:52] <persia> mrooney: No.  Thank you for EeeBotu and all your help with bugs.
[05:52] <persia> Saying nice things is the only means I have to recompensate you for the effort.
[05:53] <mrooney> Well you are quite welcome!
[05:56] <anakron> persia!
[05:56] <persia> anakron: ?
[05:56] <anakron> who can work in bugs that says : please sponsor?
[05:57] <persia> anakron: Can you give an example of such a bug?
[05:57] <anakron> i know that are some groups that sponsor some packaged
[05:57] <anakron> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libgweather/+bug/254832
[05:58] <anakron> can be assigned to the group that is related to it?
[05:58] <persia> Those represent requests for developers who can upload to review the work of developers who can not yet upload.  Nothing really to do from a triage perspective.
[05:58] <anakron> ok
[05:58] <persia> They very much shouldn't be assigned, as that will block anyone other from the assignee from reviewing the work.
[05:58] <persia> (Well, a sponsor will assign themselves, but nobody else should assign those)
[05:59] <anakron> ok
[06:08] <dholbach> good morning
[06:08] <anakron> good night in Chile
[06:08] <anakron> :-)
[06:08] <anakron> but its good to
[06:08] <anakron> too
[06:09] <dholbach> hey anakron! :)
[06:09] <dholbach> my friends in Chile :-)
[06:09] <dholbach> all set up for the Bug Jam? :)
[06:11] <anakron> yeah
[06:11] <dholbach> ROCK and ROLL :)
[06:11]  * dholbach hugs anakron
[06:12] <anakron> we are going to do it on saturday but the place could change to other city. We all be connected by #ubuntu-cl  channel
[06:13] <anakron> there will work Pedro Villavicencio
[06:13] <dholbach> so you
[06:13] <dholbach> 're not sure about the place yet?
[06:14] <dholbach> not in Santiago?
[06:14] <anakron> the place is for people that is near to Santiago.
[06:14] <anakron> The first city that was proposed was Talca, but it seems to be better that must be santiago
[06:14] <dholbach> as soon as you've decided on the place, can you add the information to the wiki?
[06:15] <dholbach> oh... you can do both, Talca AND Santiago :-)
[06:15] <dholbach> two Bug Jams in Chile - WOW :-)
[06:15] <anakron> it can be
[06:17] <dholbach> I'm totally excited about all the jams in south and central america - there's just so much going on :)
[06:17] <anakron> We have so many people that arrived to 5-a-day team in all the country, but im not pretty sure that we can do it in both cities or other cause i think that they should an experienced person that should guide if its necesary
[06:22] <dholbach> right, that's of course preferrable
[06:27] <anakron> i wanna do something here, in Concepción ( i study here, im from Puerto Montt) but i feel that we dont have a people to do it great. Im not talking about 20 or 30, we dont have more than 10 people who are really involved into bugs and its too late to set a place for it if we want to do it. So, if we want to work in Bug Jam its necessary to travel to Talca or Santiago.
[06:28] <dholbach> if you study there, don't you think you could get a room at the university or school?
[06:28] <dholbach> 10 people sounds great and shouldn't be a burden for the school/university
[06:29] <dholbach> but if you stick to IRC that's fine too :)
[06:30] <anakron> But ill try to convince Ubuntu-cl Leaders to do it in both cities
[06:31] <anakron> Its too hard to get a room if you dont have any teacher that help you
[06:32] <dholbach> OK
[06:33] <dholbach> chuckf has worked on a presentation - I hope he's OK with sharing it - that might help presenters around the globe
[06:33] <anakron> and im not studying anything that could be related to computers sciences
[06:34] <anakron> so its more difficult
[06:34] <anakron> That could be great!
[06:34] <anakron> Sometimes its too difficult to explain some things that must be learned with hard work
[06:35] <dholbach> I think an initial presentation that explains the concepts really helps people get started
[06:35] <dholbach> but you're right: diving into bug reports and trying to make them more useful is something that requires people to actually do it and learn while they review those bugs
[06:36] <anakron> yeah but can have a glossary
[06:36] <dholbach> Awsoonn worked on screencast "how to assign source packages to bugs filed just against Ubuntu"
[06:36] <dholbach> that could help too
[06:37]  * Awsoonn perks up
[06:37] <dholbach> it's amazing what good work people come up with lately :)
[06:37] <dholbach> hey Awsoonn! :)
[06:37] <Awsoonn> heyya~
[06:37] <dholbach> Awsoonn: the screencast looks great - we can publish it on videos.ubuntu.com no problem
[06:38] <Awsoonn> sweet
[06:38] <Awsoonn> I have a friend that is an audiophile, he's gonna redo the sound for me he says
[06:38] <dholbach> Awsoonn: I just thought I'd ask heno and bdmurray about their plans for a youtube channel (if they want a separate one or if we're going to stick it onto the ubuntudevelopers channel)
[06:39] <dholbach> Awsoonn: oh great - do you think it'll make it in time for the GBJ?
[06:39] <anakron> i was looking for something like that for weeks!
[06:39] <Awsoonn> anakron: :) you have no idea how happy I am to hear that
[06:39] <dholbach> anakron: I linked to two interviews of Brian - you could check them out in the meantime
[06:40] <dholbach> both on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RunningBugJam (Material)
[06:40] <dholbach> Awsoonn: it's done very well - I like it
[06:41] <anakron> Sometimes you find the same information in some wikis, but it are not so good
[06:41] <Awsoonn> sweet, I'll keep 'em comming then
[06:41] <dholbach> ROCK! :)
[06:42] <Awsoonn> anakron: I'm putting a lot of effort in the wiki now, so anything that you think is unclear, shout out
[06:43] <anakron> ok
[06:44] <anakron> hey, i got an error when i trying to update 5-a-day
[06:44] <anakron> in hardy
[06:44] <anakron> in intrepid i dont have any problem
[06:44] <anakron> but i do the same that is in the wiki in both cases
[06:45] <anakron> In Hardy appears and bzr error that Says that i dont have a bazzar branches.
[06:45] <anakron> It was so strange
[06:46] <dholbach> is it bug 192502?
[06:46] <dholbach> errrr
[06:46] <anakron> but in intrepid, i tried it (last friday i got update from 5-a-day) and works fine
[06:46] <dholbach> bug 193502
[06:46] <anakron> yeah
[06:47] <anakron> i didnt find it to confirm it
[06:47] <anakron> but its really solved
[06:48] <dholbach> I'll dive into it later so the problem is solved for the GBJ
[06:49] <anakron> Hey Daniel
[06:50] <anakron> https://launchpad.net/~dholbach  Who is the person that appear in your shirt?
[06:50] <anakron> XD its like Chuck Norris
[06:53] <dholbach> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bud_Spencer (actor in silly beat-em-up movies in the 80s - we loved them as kids: http://www.auslandsjahr.eu/2007/08/16/bud-spencer-and-terence-hill-slaps/ )
[06:53] <anakron> :O jaja ok
[10:14] <qense> hello
[14:15] <dholbach> hi Grantbow
[14:15] <dholbach> Grantbow: maybe we can figure the 5-a-day bug out on IRC :)
[14:16] <dholbach> it's a bit weird what's happening in your case
[14:16] <nhandler> What is the bug Daniel?
[14:16] <dholbach> hi nhandler - it's bug 193502
[14:17] <dholbach> Grantbow: do you think you could  cd ~/.5-a-day-grantbow; bzr info  and paste the output here?
[14:19] <nhandler> Ok, I haven't had that error before Daniel. And just as a heads up, with the dark human theme in Intrepid, it is hard to see the frame around the 5-a-day-applet that appears when you drag a url over it
[14:19] <dholbach> nhandler: do you have an idea how we could fix this?
[14:20] <dholbach> it'd be nice to have something that works well in hardy and intrepid
[14:20] <dholbach> it'd be nice if we could iron those bugs out before the weekend so it'll work for everybody new during the Global Bug Jam
[14:22] <nhandler> Do you think this might have to do with some people using LP edge and other people using the normal LP?
[14:24] <dholbach> it should always be   bazaar.launchpad.net/~<lpid>/<lpproduct>/<branchname>
[14:25] <dholbach> the weird thing is it never happened to me whatever other crazy bugs I ran into during working on 5-a-day
[14:25] <nhandler> Well, some people were getting this error "bzrlib.errors.NotBranchError: Not a branch: "https://code.launchpad.net/"."
[14:26] <dholbach> that should be taken care of in 0.46
[14:26] <dholbach> bazaar.launchpad.net redirected them to code.launchpad.net for a non-existing branch
[14:26] <dholbach> (that was when checking for the up-to-date-ness)
[14:27] <nhandler> Ok. I don't have much experience with bzr. I was just looking through the various error messages and comments
[14:28] <dholbach> no problem - the bug has become a bit messy due to people following up with various (likely unrelated) problems with bzr over the releases
[14:29] <dholbach> I hope we iron them all out now :)
[14:30] <nhandler> I sent you a /msg a while ago, but is there any reason 5-a-day has not been added to the universe repository? I saw a needs-packaging bug for it. You added a few comments that made it look like the only reason it wasn't added to universe in hardy was because it was past FF.
[14:31] <dholbach> yeah maybe we should get it into intrepid :)
[14:32] <thekorn> hey dholbach!
[14:32] <dholbach> hey thekorn!
[14:35] <thekorn> are there still issue with bzr and 5-a-day?
[14:35] <dholbach> seems like it
[14:35] <thekorn> issues
[14:35] <dholbach> and I don't know why
[14:35] <thekorn> I thin kthere a many different issues in this bug
[14:35] <dholbach> yes
[14:36] <dholbach> and they changed over time
[14:36] <thekorn> one class is, where people did not run   bzr launchpad-login <username>
[14:36] <dholbach> where is that required?
[14:37] <dholbach> 5-a-day should be able to tell from ~/.5-a-day
[14:37] <dholbach> although  bzr launchpad-login  is definitely more elegant
[14:37] <thekorn> oh sorry I misread some comments
[14:38] <dholbach> I never used that command
[14:38]  * dholbach hugs super-thekorn
[14:38] <dholbach> he knows everything about LP
[14:38] <thekorn> bzr lp-login is not required because 5-a-day is using bzr+ssh:// explicitly
[14:39] <dholbach> yeah, launchpad-login would be much nicer
[14:41] <dholbach> thekorn: filed a bug for it
[14:41] <dholbach> if nobody else does it, I'll do it after the Global Bug Jam
[14:42] <thekorn> ok, I try to find out where all this "not a branch errors" come from
[14:42] <thekorn> global bug jam is this weekend?
[14:43] <dholbach> yeah
[14:43] <dholbach> that's why I'd like to have that bzr bug ironed out :)
[14:44] <dholbach> in the version 0.46 (not released yet, but pushed) I catch the NoBranchError when checking the for the up-to-date-ness of the branch over http
[14:48] <thekorn> question is: why are this errors so fdifferent and hard to reproduce
[14:48] <dholbach> I'm sure that some of them were fixed in the meantime
[15:03] <bddebian> Boo
[15:03] <dholbach> hi bddebian!
[15:03] <bddebian> Hi dholbach
[16:09] <patchcr> is anyone willing to help me get started on the bugsquad?
[16:10] <patchcr> I just need some guidance and I hear there is a bugjam going on soon.
[16:17] <techno_freak> patchcr, sure, hope you read through https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/HowToTriage
[16:20] <patchcr> thanks techno_freak I'll look through that.  I'll come back here with questions.
[16:21] <techno_freak> patchcr, sure, any time :)
[16:47] <bdmurray> pedro_: I've reimplemented http://people.ubuntu.com/~brian/reports/yesterday/
[16:47] <bdmurray> However, it is now really bugs 'since' yesterday
[16:48] <pedro_> bdmurray: niice, the summary is new right? it looks great ;-)
[16:48] <bdmurray> hmm, I think that was always there
[16:48] <pedro_> bdmurray: could it be moved up instead?
[16:49] <bdmurray> Oh you mean the numbers at the bottom not the bug title?
[16:49] <bdmurray> Yeah, I should be able to do that
[16:49] <pedro_> bdmurray: yes
[16:49] <pedro_> bdmurray: great, thanks !
[16:54] <thekorn> bdmurray, hi, are you using py-lp-bugs for creating this 'bugs reported since yesterday' page?
[16:55] <thekorn> I'm wondering about this last few bugs, they should not be there
[16:55] <thekorn> because this are only newly added tasks
[17:00] <tuxmaniac> is' nt there supposed to be a meeting here with respect to Global Bug jam?
[17:00]  * tuxmaniac checks back with the date
[17:01]  * techno_freak pokes dholbach 
[17:01] <bdmurray> thekorn: yeah, I'm using the --dc feature of bughelper
[17:01] <dholbach> hello everybody :)
[17:02] <dholbach> who's here for the Global Bug Jam Preparation? :)
[17:02] <tuxmaniac> !
[17:02] <techno_freak> me
[17:02] <dholbach> who else? :)
[17:02] <tuxmaniac> tazz: is
[17:03] <bdmurray> me ;)
[17:03] <dholbach> pedro_, jcastro: around too? :)
[17:03] <pedro_> yes yes yes
[17:03] <dholbach> ROCK :)
[17:03] <dholbach> let's have a quick round of introductions - who's here and where are you going to run your Bug Jam?
[17:04]  * techno_freak from Indian Team, we are going to be active from Bangalore, Chennai and Mumbai
[17:04] <dholbach> techno_freak: which location are you going to be at?
[17:04]  * dholbach is from the Berlin team :)
[17:04]  * tuxmaniac is from India and part of the ubuntu india LoCo. I am in the process of colecting a few people together in Chennai and doing a bug jam
[17:05] <dholbach> nice
[17:05]  * heno waves
[17:05]  * snap-l is from the Michigan Team, representing the SE Michigan area.
[17:05] <tuxmaniac> if no venue, I am hosting a few at my house. :-)
[17:05] <dholbach> tuxmaniac: nice :)
[17:05]  * tuxmaniac 's real world nick is Aanjhan. 
[17:05] <tuxmaniac> thants it from me
[17:06] <dholbach> bdmurray in the lair in Portland?
[17:06] <dholbach> pedro_ in Chile? :)
[17:06] <bdmurray> dholbach: that's right!
[17:06] <dholbach> ROCK :)
[17:06] <pedro_> dholbach: yes sr, we currently have 3 nodes one at Talca (south of Chile), Santiago (main city) and at Antofagasta (north)
[17:06] <dholbach> so do we have final open questions regarding the organisation and going-ons?
[17:07] <dholbach> pedro_: and in Concépcion?
[17:07]  * dholbach might have got the name wrong :)
[17:07] <tuxmaniac> dholbach: do we have some kind of a tracking to see where each team stands? say, ubuntu-in team's efforts
[17:07] <tazz> <== gaurav chaturvedi, mumbai MH india
[17:07]  * dholbach meant Concepción
[17:07] <pedro_> dholbach: there's no one from there this time :-(
[17:08] <dholbach> hi tazz
[17:08] <dholbach> pedro_: anakron?
[17:08] <tazz> dholbach
[17:08] <pedro_> dholbach: no idea about him, haven't talked with him recently
[17:08] <tuxmaniac> dholbach: I meant some kind of statistic generation?
[17:08] <dholbach> tuxmaniac: it'd be great if you asked people to use 5-a-day with the team name set and a tag set
[17:09] <dholbach> I added that informaton to the GlobalBugJam page
[17:09] <dholbach> stats will be up at http://daniel.holba.ch/5-a-day-stats/
[17:09] <tuxmaniac> ok nice!
[17:09] <dholbach> and thanks to the work of nand we have http://people.ubuntu.com/~dholbach/bugjam.png
[17:09] <patchcr> i'm done reading through the triage page
[17:09] <dholbach> pedro_: I talked to him this morning
[17:10] <techno_freak> patchcr, good :)
[17:10] <patchcr> I am looking at a bug 255386
[17:10] <pedro_> dholbach: nice!, I'll send him an email then ;-)
[17:11] <techno_freak> patchcr, cool, feel free to ask us if you need any help :)
[17:11] <tuxmaniac> dholbach: and i am still unclear how one can start working on thebugs. Just open up the bug list to people and start squashing?
[17:11] <dholbach> chuckf has worked on a presentation - I hope he's OK with sharing it - that might help presenters around the globe
[17:11] <dholbach> tuxmaniac: bdmurray is working on a bug list
[17:11] <tuxmaniac> some might be first timers. So do you have any suggestions?
[17:11] <tuxmaniac> aah great then
[17:11] <patchcr> doesn't seem to be a lot of information there... I guess I'd like to watch a triage in real time to see
[17:11] <dholbach> and Awsoonn worked on a screencast - I guess it'll be up in time
[17:12]  * tuxmaniac just observerved that the MOTU science team packages have 288 open bugs. And will be interested in getting them triaged.
[17:12] <dholbach> tuxmaniac: sounds good :)
[17:12] <dholbach> do we have any other questions?
[17:12] <techno_freak> patchcr, you can see other FF bugs and have a look at how triager has handled them, that might give you some idea :)
[17:12] <patchcr> so look through the confirmed bugs on launchpad?
[17:13] <tuxmaniac> dholbach: it would be great to have the ubot3 bot around inthe loco channels as well
[17:13] <techno_freak> patchcr, incomplete, as it would contain questions for more information ;)
[17:13] <dholbach> tuxmaniac: I think it makes more sense for people to hang out here
[17:13] <patchcr> oh, ok
[17:13] <tuxmaniac> dholbach: hmm true.
[17:13] <dholbach> tuxmaniac: as most people experts will hang out here as well
[17:14] <dholbach> the organisation and andvertising of the event went alright?
[17:15] <tuxmaniac> dholbach: still a final blog left :-)
[17:15]  * tuxmaniac has mailed the local linux users group mailing lists
[17:15] <dholbach> great
[17:15] <tuxmaniac> and the loco team
[17:15] <techno_freak> we had good response to the prep sessions we had, hope we get atleast twice the numbers :)
[17:15] <dholbach> be sure to take pictures and for extra points: try to take a few notes on what hurdles your new contributors faced
[17:15] <tuxmaniac> techno_freak: mail the FSUG Bangalore guys and tazz please do the same at ILUG Bom
[17:15] <dholbach> it'd be nice if we can get those hurdles out of the way for the next Bug Jams
[17:16] <techno_freak> tuxmaniac, i will do to ILUGBom, am not in FSUG ;)
[17:16] <dholbach> please mail me whatever you find
[17:16] <tuxmaniac> dholbach: sure
[17:16] <dholbach> you guys ROCK :)
[17:16] <tuxmaniac> techno_freak: Subscribe
[17:16] <tuxmaniac> :)
[17:17] <dholbach> I'll definitely be around during the Berlin Jam (Saturday) and I'm sure we'll have a great time
[17:17] <dholbach> any other open questions?
[17:17] <tuxmaniac> dholbach: thanks for a great initiative! Am sure it will be a big success and good fun
[17:18] <dholbach> yeah, that's what I think - I was only partly involved in it - you've all done great work in pulling this off :)
[17:18] <tuxmaniac> nothing from I side as of now
[17:18] <techno_freak> :)
[17:19] <dholbach> nice :)
[17:20] <dholbach> OK everybody... I'll keep you posted about the presentation, final bug lists, screencasts and whatever else
[17:20] <dholbach> if you have further questions just mail bdmurray, pedro_ or me - we all want to make sure your Bug Jam is a success and good fun
[17:20] <dholbach> thanks for being part of this :)
[17:21] <techno_freak> thanks and wish you the same :) lets rock on!!
[17:21] <pedro_> thanks you all guys ;-)
[17:21] <dholbach> :-)
[17:22] <tuxmaniac> thank you.
[17:23] <dholbach> have a great rest of your day - see you!
[17:33] <bdmurray> Does anybody know what is up with the wiki?
[17:36] <pedro_> bdmurray: Aug 06 11:02:50 <agy>	I have placed wiki.ubuntu.com in read-only mode. Maintenance should take approximately 90 minutes to complete. <- that was about an hour ago
[17:37] <bdmurray> pedro_: cool, thanks
[17:37] <pedro_> you're welcome
[17:59] <Grantbow> dholbach: ping
[18:00] <Grantbow> my bzr info says: Standalone tree (format: pack-0.92) Location: branch root .
[18:01] <Grantbow> oops, I think I missed him
[18:02] <james_w> Grantbow: if you put that in the bug report he'll see it
[18:09] <Grantbow> james_w: ok, thanks.  We've been playing tag on the bug for days and he asked me to ping him.  Is he at LinuxWorld?  maybe I'll see him there.
[18:09] <james_w> I don't think he is
[18:09] <Grantbow> ok.  The bug he and I have been working on is #193502
[18:10] <james_w> let me have a look
[18:10] <james_w> bug 193502
[18:14] <tuxmaniac> 5-a-day --add-team doesnt work for me. http://paste.ubuntu.com/34829/ is the eror message. Is there something else I have to add in ~/ ?
[18:16] <Grantbow> tuxmaniac: I'm not an expert, but I think you can edit ~/.5-a-day-team manually
[18:18] <tuxmaniac> Grantbow: hmm thanks. But I was follwoing what the wiki page mentioned. So just create that file and say the team name should work like ~/.5-a-day right?
[18:18] <james_w> Grantbow: it looks like your previous problems meant that you got a local branch, but not a remote one
[18:18] <james_w> have you tried saving all of your bug numbers and removing your local branch and starting again?
[18:18] <Grantbow> james_w: not yet, will do.
[18:19] <james_w> Grantbow: if you save the files from ~/.5-a-day-<lpid> we can keep resurrect your data when it's working
[18:20] <Grantbow> it's a directory with a single file in it: data.
[18:20] <james_w> yeah, just copy the data file to somewhere else for a minute
[18:21] <james_w> tuxmaniac: yeah, you should be able to create the file yourself, then it should work
[18:21] <james_w> tuxmaniac: ~/.5-a-day-<lpid>/team
[18:21] <tuxmaniac> james_w: ok
[18:23] <thekorn> tuxmaniac, the problem seems to be that the ~/.5-a-day-<lpid> directory does not exist for you
[18:23] <thekorn> I think this is a bug
[18:23] <tuxmaniac> thekorn: yeah i figured that out :-) now --add-team works
[18:23] <tuxmaniac> created it manually
[18:24] <tuxmaniac> thekorn: but who created this directory?
[18:24] <tuxmaniac> thekorn: I mean creates
[18:24] <thekorn> tuxmaniac, it should becreated by 5-a-day on one of the first runs
[18:25] <tuxmaniac> thekorn: hmm
[18:25] <tuxmaniac> thekorn: I have not run it yet. Just getting things setup for GBJ :-)
[18:25] <thekorn> but it is uncommon that a user at a first action adds a team
[18:26] <thekorn> yes, exactly this directory is created when you run --add <bugnumber>
[18:26] <thekorn> tuxmaniac, so it is a bug that it is not created when running --add-team
[18:26] <tuxmaniac> true.
[18:26]  * tuxmaniac rises one bug !!
[18:26] <tuxmaniac> yaya!
[18:26] <thekorn> tuxmaniac, I will point dholbach to this tomoroow
[18:27] <tuxmaniac> 5 - 1 for today
[18:27] <tuxmaniac> :-)
[18:27] <thekorn> good job!
[18:28] <techno_freak> tuxmaniac, use 5-a-day applet ;)
[18:28] <Grantbow> james_w: mine is working now.  With the correct ssh key it created the branch.  Thanks for your help :-)
[18:30] <tuxmaniac> techno_freak: somehow I was unsure how it works. So manual update is better for me :-)
[18:31] <techno_freak> tuxmaniac, there is a drop down in the applet where you can select the team
[18:38] <tuxmaniac> techno_freak: what do you have under ~/.5-a-day-<lpid> folder?
[18:39] <techno_freak> tuxmaniac, data
[18:40] <squinky86> I had a new package request and wanted to know if all the data was correct before I had to log off for the day. It is bug #255406. What data is required for a new package request?
[18:43] <tuxmaniac> squinky86: use REVU for reviews. http://revu.tauware.de/
[18:43] <tuxmaniac> squinky86: all NEW packages will go through REVU (one must get 2 Acks from MOTUs there) before it is uploaded into the repos
[18:44] <squinky86> tuxmaniac: Thank you. Is this documented anywhere?
[18:45] <tuxmaniac> squinky86: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/REVU
[18:45] <squinky86> Ah, just found it :). Thank you very much!
[19:05] <techno_freak> which package should bug on user management should be on?
[19:21] <Awsoonn> techno_freak: what bug#?
[19:22] <techno_freak> Awsoonn, bug #255249
[19:26] <Awsoonn> kde issue it seems, so I would put it under kdebase.
[19:27] <Awsoonn> I don't know a lot about kde, so if there is a better package for it, I wouldn't mind being corrected. :)
[19:28] <yuriy> techno_freak: kde-guidance for the user management utility
[19:28] <yuriy> and add the tag kde-guidance-userconfig please
[19:28] <bdmurray> they mention useradd not working either though right?
[19:28] <yuriy> right, could be a different problem
[19:29] <yuriy> but I don't know how kdm decides what users to display in the list. useradd creates a user without a password AFAIK (i.e. they can't log in) so maybe it checks for that
[19:30] <techno_freak> yuriy, thanks
[19:30] <yuriy> so they need to check if the user is actually getting added to /etc/passwd, and if they can su to them
[19:30] <yuriy> or just type in the username at the console or kdm
[20:17] <squinky86> I created a gpg key, uploaded the package to revu, but the package is not showing up in the "Your packages" section of revu.
[20:18] <bdmurray> squinky86: that question is probably best answered in #ubuntu-motu
[20:18] <squinky86> bdmurray: thanks
[20:28] <Awsoonn> hello
[20:29] <bdmurray> hi
[20:29] <Awsoonn> got the new screencast ready
[20:30] <Awsoonn> whenever daniel decides to upload it to videos.ubuntu.com
[20:39] <thekorn> Awsoonn, wow this is cool, do you have an url to your screencast?
[20:40] <Awsoonn> yea
[20:41] <Awsoonn> http://sushi.homelinux.com/packages.avi  i thnk ^^
[20:42] <thekorn> it returns a 404Error
[20:45] <Awsoonn> http://sushi.homelinux.com/package.avi
[20:50] <Awsoonn> hi
[20:50] <aliciapg> hi
[20:51] <james_w> Awsoonn: the video is rockin', nice work
[20:52] <Awsoonn> thanks!
[20:54] <thekorn> Awsoonn, good work!
[21:28] <bdmurray> is there some new editmoin magic needed?
[21:32] <james_w> bdmurray: the wiki uses lp openid for login now, would that have something to do with it?
[21:32] <bdmurray> james_w: probably, I was hoping someone else had figured it out
[21:33] <bdmurray> ah, it was just a new session cookie
[22:10] <dupondje> Can somebody help me how to enable proposed ? cause I need to test a bugfix :s
[22:11] <dupondje> http://people.ubuntu.com/~ubuntu-archive/pending-sru.html says the newest kernel in -proposed is 2.6.24-20.38, but I enabled proposed but I don't get it installed
[22:11] <persia> dupondje: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/EnableProposed
[22:12] <dupondje> persia: did that, but I don't get the newest -proposed version :s
[22:13] <bdmurray> I'm showing it as being available
[22:14] <bdmurray> Awsoonn: could your resort the bug lists with the highest bug numbers at the top for the Hug Day?
[22:16] <mattik> Hello, how can I trace adept_installer in Kubuntu Intrepid. I haven't done tracing outputs in Ubuntu.
[22:17] <mattik> it crashed me
[22:20] <persia> mattik: Did you get an entry in /var/crash ?
[22:21] <persia> dupondje: Have you updated your sources list since enabling proposed?
[22:21] <persia> (or rather your apt cache: sorry for the confusion)
[22:22] <mattik> persia: Hello. I don't have /var/crash. It closed silent
[22:22] <mattik> I have /var/crash, but not entry there
[22:22] <dupondje> persia: yes I did, but seems u need to install packages one by one, and its not upgrading them all with apt-get upgrade :)
[22:23] <persia> dupondje: Right.  As the documentation suggests, run `sudo aptitude -t hardy-proposed`
[22:24] <persia> mattik: Try enabling apport (from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/EnableProposed)
[22:24] <mattik> persia: Thank you :)
[22:24] <persia> Don't actually enable proposed (unless you have other reasons to do so), but enabling apport will get you the crash report, and you can use apport-retrace to get the stack trace.
[22:25] <dupondje> finally updated the bug now :D
[22:29] <mattik> persia: I tried. Icon waited some time in panel, but apport didn't start.
[22:31] <persia> mattik: Did you cause a crash?
[22:33] <mattik> persia: yes, crash comes when I try example in /var/crash but no with adept_installer
[22:35] <mattik> I have reported this bug, but I don't have very much info about it
[22:35] <Awsoonn> bdmurray: np
[22:35] <persia> mattik: Interesting.  While your computer will now generate crash reports from which you can extract useful data, it seems your original problem has gone away.  Anyway, next time you get a crash, you should get a report, and you can run the retracer
[22:36] <mattik> ok
[22:36] <mattik> thank you
[22:37] <Awsoonn> _cool_
[22:37] <mattik> I wonder is it some code error, that it without warnings close program right, but wrong place
[22:37] <bdmurray> Awsoonn: great thanks!  I belive people tend to work top to bottom so having the freshest ones at the top makes sense to me at least
[22:42] <mattik> persia: Thank you :) I'm tired. I go to sleep now
[22:43] <mattik> good night
[22:43] <persia> mattik: Sleep well.  With luck, you'll either find your bug, or it will never bother you again.