[08:30] <xien> hi
[08:30] <xien> is this a channel to discuss op decisions about banning people?
[08:31] <bazhang> xien, in which channel
[08:33] <xien> #ubuntu-pl
[08:48] <xien> so?
[08:50] <jussi01> yes, but you need to wait for the -pl ops
[08:50] <pressenter> Im here.
[08:51] <xien> yes, he is here - the one who banned me
[08:56] <jussi01> xien: Im not an op there, so dont have a say in the matter. but please explain your issue and those with a say can then comment.
[08:57] <xien> ok
[08:59] <xien> i've told that a girl on a channel dances on a pipe, which op considered as an offence towards her, so he banned me
[08:59] <xien> but that was just a joke
[08:59] <pressenter> Oh but xien
[09:00] <xien> oh but pressenter - she didn't say that she was offended
[09:00] <pressenter> please do add that in the maentime you lied to me privately that that user told you that she does not consider it an offence.
[09:00] <xien> she didn't also say that she was offended
[09:01] <xien> she just said that joke was stupid
[09:02] <pressenter> No, she said that you are... hmm. how to put this? Earning your bad reputation points? Something like that.
[09:03] <pressenter> Than you called me an as*hole, which i am but still, you lied to me, thats why that ban is staying.
[09:06] <xien> that was not a lie but misunderstaning, now i see it and admit: she didn't als say that she was offended
[09:06] <xien> it is *you* who considered this as an offence
[09:06] <xien> but that was not all
[09:07] <xien> then i was offended by her calling me an idiot on that channel you've banned me for an "offence"
[09:07] <xien> but you refused to ban her
[09:08] <xien> what's wrong? some people are treated more fair, and another less fair? why don't you follow your own rules?
[09:08] <pressenter> Well, after calling me an as*hole, you can easily see that i had no trouble in understanding her point of view. ;)
[09:09] <pressenter> Yet, please continue.
[09:09] <xien> primo: i called you an asshole *after* you've banned me
[09:09] <xien> secundo: i did it in private message, not channel, cause that was my private opinion about you
[09:12] <pressenter> Yet, you argued with that user that pole dancing is not offending. ;)
[09:12] <pressenter> What was she suppose to say?
[09:13] <xien> not argued, but wanted to discuss with her
[09:13] <pressenter> "Oh, sorry, youre right, im dreaming about this"?
[09:13] <xien> yes, you are
[09:13] <xien> i was asking her about opinion of your ban
[09:14] <xien> and liked her to admit that pole dancing is nothing offending
[09:15] <xien> remember that she *didn't* say she was offended, and i still feel offended by her calling me an idiot
[09:15] <pressenter> Which she dod not.
[09:15] <xien> yes, she did say that
[09:15] <pressenter> *did
[09:16] <pressenter> You mean to tell me, that she did admit that pole dancing is nothing offending?
[09:16] <xien> no, she didn't want discuss about that
[09:18] <xien> ok, consider this: calling someone "pole dancer" isn't an offence in this country, it's more like a joke
[09:19] <pressenter> Which country?
[09:20] <xien> in your country, and mine: poland
[09:20]  * Myrtti lols
[09:20] <bazhang> irc-land
[09:20] <Myrtti> hah. Pole dancer *cough*
[09:20] <pressenter> Its a lame irc joke, and only when you say it to a guy.
[09:21] <Myrtti> if you say so
[09:21] <pressenter> I think so, correct me if im wrong.
[09:21] <xien> and when you say it to a girl it may mean that she expresses her sexuality (which that woman *did* not once, not twice - showing her pictures on a channel)
[09:21] <Myrtti> I find it funny though - we do have pole dancing studios here for excersising in Finland
[09:22] <pressenter> Myrtti: Hah, that one i did not know. xD
[09:23] <pressenter> Myrtti: Yet still, the sense of his words was a bit else, if you know what i mean.
[09:23] <Myrtti> yeah, apparently it's quite hip and cool in Hollywood as sports or excersice
[09:24]  * Myrtti shrugs
[09:24] <Myrtti> Pole dancer thing was funny though
[09:24] <Myrtti> as a separate issue
[09:24] <Myrtti> I lolled :-P
[09:24] <xien> :)
[09:25] <xien> pressenter: please don't force your understanding, remember the context
[09:25] <pressenter> I do remembre it.
[09:26] <xien> a person came and ask for help, girl said that she doesn't know about ubuntu, i've said that she only dances pole here
[09:26] <pressenter> Or are you going to tell me now that the context was pole excersise?
[09:26] <xien> nothing offending about that
[09:27] <pressenter> Besides we are here because we do not know what to do with this situation.
[09:27] <pressenter> We would be glad if some staff would hell.
[09:27] <pressenter> *help
[09:28] <pressenter> Should that ban stay or shall i take it off?
[09:28] <xien> pressenter: it's not about this ban only
[09:29] <xien> its about you being inconsequential
[09:29] <xien> ban her for offending me or unban me as i didn't offend her
[09:35] <pressenter> xien: Now you should tell me what other nicks are you using on ubuntu-pl.
[09:36] <pressenter> She has been banned, but youre not, cause you are still sitting there under some other nicks.
[09:36] <pressenter> Please give them to me, so i can ban them too.
[09:41] <jpds> ubot5: join #ubuntu-ir
[09:43] <pressenter> Thought so.
[09:53] <xien> she was banned and unbanned a minute after that, so she can join - my ban still stays
[09:54] <pressenter> She was unbanned 10 minutes later.
[09:54] <pressenter> I told you, give me your other nicks.
[09:55] <pressenter> You said nothing.
[09:55] <pressenter> You request consequence of me, but refuse it yourself.
[09:56] <xien> she was unbanned and can join - i still can't with my main nickname and you know it
[09:56] <pressenter> Yet still you are there, and you know it, you told me that straight "in the eyes".
[09:57] <xien> yes, i want to see her joining channel to prove it that she can
[09:58] <pressenter> Erm... lol?
[09:58] <pressenter> 10:48 -!- mode/#ubuntu-pl [-b *!*=szkodnik@*.ssp.dialog.net.pl] by pressenter
[09:58] <xien> still remember that i didn't offend her so there was no reason to ban me - which started all this stupid discussion
[09:58] <pressenter> Was that a problem?
[09:59]  * Myrtti sighs
[10:00] <pressenter> Myrtti: Should i take off his ban?
[10:01] <Myrtti> I'm a bit lost with what is going on and what has happened - but you both seem to be having "assume bad faith" thing here
[10:01] <Myrtti> neither trusts one another
[10:02] <xien> well... i must admit that i expected more positive solution from pressenter
[10:02] <xien> he seem to be prejudiced somehow to me
[10:03] <Myrtti> and so do you
[10:03] <Myrtti> with your extra nicks on -pl
[10:03] <Myrtti> pan, meet kettle
[10:03] <xien> :)
[10:03] <bazhang> pot
[10:03]  * Myrtti rolls her eyes
[10:03] <pressenter> Ech, i ain;t got time for this ish.
[10:04] <Myrtti> whatEVAH
[10:05] <xien> seems that i've been unbanned
[10:05] <xien> thank you
[19:26] <jpds> ubot5: join #ubuntu-ie
[19:29] <jpds> ubot5: join #ubuntu-my
[23:04] <Nafallo> lol. Philip5... alla fredrik fran telia.com bannade? vad var det om? :-)
[23:45] <Philip5> måste jag nog satt fel
[23:45] <Philip5> var korvmacka som dök upp igen tror jag
[23:55] <Nafallo> Philip5: -b ? :-)
[23:55] <Philip5> jo
[23:56] <Nafallo> that wasn't helpful :-P
[23:56]  * Nafallo sets -b