[00:41] <cshadowrun> ogra you still about?
[00:41] <cshadowrun> i got that virtualbox image up
[00:41] <cshadowrun> and it starts, but no GUI
[00:41] <cshadowrun> complains about alot of modprobe stuff
[00:41] <cshadowrun> and then gives me a login.
[00:42] <ogra> hmm
[00:43] <cshadowrun> whats the normal way of testing it? i could try doing it the normal way on my laptop
[00:43] <cshadowrun> that would be a workaround :P
[00:45] <cshadowrun> apparently my processor doesn't support hardware virtualisation, so there goes that idea
[00:46] <ogra> you can just use qemu
[00:46] <ogra> but it will be very slow
[00:46] <cshadowrun> thats ok i guess
[00:46] <ogra> kvm is just extending qemu with the CPU extensions
[00:47] <cshadowrun> if i can do it without KVM i can try it on my mainpc
[00:47] <cshadowrun> it's a c2q 2.4ghz with 4gb ram so that might speed things up :p
[00:47] <cshadowrun> so how do i run it in qemu?
[00:47] <cshadowrun> i have the qcow2 and ubuntu.kvm
[00:49] <ogra> i think the ubuntu kvm is a script that executes qemu with the right options
[00:49] <ogra> look into it
[00:49] <cshadowrun> hmm
[00:50] <cshadowrun> it runs kvm, not qemu
[00:50] <cshadowrun> kvm -soundhw all -m 256 -hda root.qcow2 "$@"
[00:52] <cshadowrun> i tried running it with qemu root.qcow2
[00:53] <cshadowrun> got the same set of errors as i did with virtualbox
[00:53] <cshadowrun> but this time i got a "blank" x session
[00:53] <cshadowrun> (The cursor is a black X, and the background is that grey crosshair type thing)
[00:53] <cshadowrun> oh wait nice there it is!
[01:04] <cshadowrun> lol you really meant it'd be slow :P
[01:05] <cshadowrun> i tried neverball and got like 0.1FPS, lol
[01:06] <ogra> heh
[01:06] <ogra> yeah that needs HW support
[01:11] <CShadowRun> hehe
[06:03] <persia> CShadowRun: You might want to look the kqemu-source package: it contains a kernel module that significantly increases qemu speed (although it's still slower than KVM).  I used it on one of my machines that didn't have kvm support with good results.
[06:06] <CShadowRun> sounds intresting
[06:07] <CShadowRun> installing it :)
[06:07] <persia> CShadowRun: Note that you'll need to compile it locally: the precompiled modules aren't available.  I use module-assistant for that, but you may find you prefer a different method.
[06:07] <CShadowRun> oh
[06:08] <CShadowRun> how would i compile it?
[06:08] <CShadowRun> i just installed the package from synaptic
[06:09] <CShadowRun> ah it installed a tar.gz
[06:09] <CShadowRun> configure make and install?
[06:10] <persia> I think the easiest way is to install module-assistant.
[06:10] <CShadowRun> already got it
[06:11] <persia> IF that doesn't do it automatically (I've forgotten), you'll want to look at /usr/share/doc/kqemu-source/README (or something like that)
[06:11] <persia> There should be an ncurses guided activity to handle the compilation and installation of the modules package.
[06:11] <persia> (and yes, this should be easier)
[06:13] <CShadowRun> yup its doing that now :)
[06:13] <CShadowRun> there we go, firing up ubuntu mobile now :)
[06:16] <CShadowRun> nah still as slow as before lol
[06:16] <CShadowRun> and now i have to sleep, it's 6:15am here :p
[06:24] <persia> Sleep well then :)
[08:06] <rredd4> is there a hardware support list for ubuntu mid?
[08:09] <persia> rredd4: None has been compiled.  It's known to work at least on the Samsung Q1U and the Kohjinsha SR series.  It ought work on anything with an Intel A100, A110, or Atom processor, and may well work on anything i586 or better.
[08:10] <persia> Mind you, for the latter case, you may need to manually inject an alternate kernel: it depends on the hardware.
[08:10] <rredd4> iphone 3g?
[08:10] <persia> For best results, you'll want a 6" or 7" touchscreen.
[08:11] <persia> No, that has an ARM processor.  Ubuntu Mobile only targets lpia right now, and the MID release has had issues described even for some models of the Eee.
[08:11] <rredd4> ok, thanks
[08:12] <rredd4> its good to hear that ubuntu is supporting mid devices tho@
[08:14] <persia> Yeah, although it will be even nicer when more devices that meet the requirements are on the market :)
[09:06] <asac> persia: is lool still on leave?
[09:07] <persia> asac: I'm going to say "yes" because I've not seen him about, but I've no specific information in my current memory store.
[09:09] <asac> persia: i think i need to push xulrunner-1.9 to PPA and midbrowser as well, is that correct?
[09:09] <asac> e.g. is midbrowser not startable atm?
[09:09] <persia> asac: You want to do an SRU for mobile.archive.ubuntu.com?
[09:09] <asac> not sure. we had a security update which invalidates the patches we have in mobile
[09:09] <persia> Yeah, it probably isn't, although I've not an up-to-date hardy MID installation running right now.
[09:10] <StevenK> asac: Merge them, we need the security update
[09:10] <asac> persia: so the procedure is to push it to PPA and then let you know?
[09:11] <asac> i usually did that through lool, and last time there was confusion about the PPA purpose and so on.
[09:11] <persia> asac: Yes, for anything locally patched in the PPA.  I think we can inherit updates from the main repos for things not already in the PPA.
[09:13] <asac> persia: you think there might be someone who wants to learn how to do it ... to serve as a backup in the future?
[09:14] <persia> Last I knew there were three authorised archive-admins for m.a.u.c, and two of them are here now :)
[10:11] <terbo> hallo
[11:01] <lool> Hey
[11:01] <lool> asac: hola
[11:01] <lool> asac: I'm coming back tomorrow
[11:02] <lool> asac: BTW there's a holiday/leave calendar on canonicaladmin since we're both canonical staff  ;)
[11:03] <lool> asac: We still have an old xulrunner-1.9 in ppa and mobile archive, as well as special but older langpacks
[11:03] <lool> asac: AFAIK, langpacks and xulrunner still need corresponding updates to their forks in the ppa
[11:25] <asac> lool: i told kylem how to update them before i left for the summit
[11:25] <asac> (langpacks)
[11:26] <asac> lool: did i upload a new midbrowser?
[11:27] <asac> lool: anyway. now out for lunch
[14:40] <lool> asac: sorry, not a lot in front of the computer; I'm not sure kyleN is caring for the UME langpacks -- he might be more interested in pushing langpacks to customer specific builds
[14:40] <lool> asac: I didn't understand what you meant with new midbrowser
[14:40] <asac> lool: he said he wanted to do that
[14:40] <asac> lool: 0.3.0...
[14:40] <asac> final
[14:40] <lool> asac: Ok, we should ask him then; last time I checked the langpacks were out of date sadly
[14:40] <asac> its was is needed to run with latest xulrunner 1.9.0.1
[14:41] <asac> the only change it has is that it opens up maxVersion in application.ini
[14:41] <lool> asac: Ok; so midbrowser and xulrunner-1.9 in ppa are ready?
[14:41] <lool> Right, I saw your moblin-commits@ diffs
[14:41] <lool> IIRC
[14:41] <asac> let me check . i am not sure about the current state - thats why i asked ;)
[14:41] <lool> s/diffs/diff
[14:42] <asac> lool: ok midbrowser was uploaded 25th Jul
[14:42] <asac> looks like thats the update
[14:42] <asac> lool: xulrunner isnt in the ppa
[14:42] <asac> so we need to do that
[14:42] <lool> xulrunner-1.9: version 1.9.0.1+build1+nobinonly-0ubuntu0.8.04.2+ume1 in http://ppa.launchpad.net/ubuntu-mobile/ubuntu hardy main <= 1.9.0.1+build1+nobinonly-0ubuntu0.8.04.3 in http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hardy-security main
[14:42] <asac> to get back the gconf backend feature
[14:43] <asac> lool: oops
[14:43] <lool> Looks like you have a newer version in -security of xulrunner-1.9 still (.3)
[14:43] <asac> well. ... that means i uploaded it 
[14:43] <asac> but the update that jdstrand pushed to security broke it again
[14:43] <asac> ok
[14:43] <asac> its just a version bump then
[14:43] <asac> lool: why is there no xulrunner-1.9 on https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mobile/+archive ?
[14:44] <lool> asac: Could you upload xulrunner-1.9 to u-m ppa?  I'd ask $someone to test them or test them myself and promote to main mobile archive
[14:44] <asac> is it superseeded by the archive build?
[14:44] <lool> asac: There is one
[14:44] <asac> i dont see it https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mobile/+archive
[14:44] <asac> but most likely its just in a different state
[14:44] <lool> 1  → 50  of 65 results 
[14:44] <lool> I see one published for hardy
[14:45] <lool> https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mobile/+archive/+index?start=50&batch=50
[14:47] <asac> lool: ok. midbrowser neds to be copied to the ubuntu-mobile archive too i think
[14:47] <asac> just remem ber that
[14:48] <lool> asac: You mean archive.mobile.u.c?
[14:48] <lool> asac: Sure, xulrunner and midbrowser at the same time
[14:48] <lool> asac: But I'll wait for your green light when you push .3+ume1
[14:50] <asac> lool: can you please test if the language packs still work with current midbrowser and xulrunner 
[14:50] <asac> otherwise i will update all that are in ppa as well
[14:50] <asac> or wait
[14:50] <asac> can you just install midbrowser from ppa and tell me whats the version in application.ini
[14:54] <lool> asac: Ok; I can't do all that today, will try to do that tomorrow
[14:54]  * lool got to go now
[14:56] <asac> lool: i will look and take care for the langpacks. just take your last days off ;)
[17:30] <CShadowRun> i assume when the ARM version comes out the n810 is gonna be one of the first to be supported?
[17:36] <ogra> unlikely
[17:37] <ogra> n810 has tons of closed source HW in it ... 
[17:37] <CShadowRun> :<