| johnJe_ | hello, please i need some advice.. im taking a linux class, and i have a 18 pages final essay... i was thinking about how to compile the kernel, but there is really not that much to talk about.. please can someone help me with an interesting topic about linux | 00:19 |
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| zoredache | johnJe_: what are you studying to become? | 00:21 |
| zoredache | I suspect you could get 18 pages out of something security related.. | 00:21 |
| zoredache | Perhaps you would write something trying to convincing people that the right to fork is what is keeping linux from becoming popular? | 00:22 |
| zoredache | or just write something about what you think it would take for Linux to be useable on everyones desktop | 00:23 |
| johnJe_ | i see | 00:23 |
| johnJe_ | that would be nice | 00:23 |
| johnJe_ | thanks for the tip | 00:23 |
| johnJe_ | CIS is my major | 00:23 |
| johnJe_ | but first time taking a linux class | 00:23 |
| zoredache | of course you could also simply write a paper bashing linux... find a list of all the various flawas, and point them out. Then to make your paper great, suggest solutions | 00:24 |
| zoredache | I know you could very easily fill up 18 pages with all the complaints everyone seems to have | 00:25 |
| yuka_ | hello, i'm trying to customize my top panel. i'm on a laptop and when i first tried using the trackpad after install, the mouse went crazy and moved a lot of the icons. i am now trying to move everything back. i currently have the icons all together on the left. i want to split it the way it was at default, with the shutdown, time, battery, etc icons on the right hand side. but i can't seem to be able to do it. any ideas? | 01:35 |
| yuka_ | i right click and select move, but it only moves the icons around each other, it won't move the icon to the far right side | 01:36 |
| yuka_ | and also, my battery and wireless icon doesn't even have a 'move' option | 01:36 |
| bassboi | add a spacer | 01:49 |
| ari_stress | hi all | 01:55 |
| ari_stress | i'm new with xubuntu :D | 01:55 |
| ari_stress | i'm impressed, it's so light and fast | 01:56 |
| yuka_ | bassboi: that did it, must have deleted the original one, thanks! | 02:00 |
| Genelyk | aammm | 03:37 |
| The-Kernel | besides wifi-rader, what are some other good wifi/wireless applications? | 04:46 |
| owen1 | i can't see borders around windows (where the minimize button is). when i click on the 'window manager' setting i get this message: "these setting can't work with your current window manager (unknown)" any idea? | 05:00 |
| Agent_bob | when i launch it, it comes up with the default background and panels but then the panels vanish, and right click does nothing. i can alt+f2 run xfce4-panel and get them back. but nothing seems | 05:12 |
| Agent_bob | to be sticky. any thoughts on why ? | 05:12 |
| Agent_bob | anyone that knows some about xfce4? when i launch it, it comes up with the default background and panels but then the panels vanish, and right click does nothing. i can alt+f2 run xfce4-panel and get them back. but nothing seems to be sticky. any thoughts on why ? (and i'll stop repeting now.) | 06:09 |
| bassboi | what you mean nothing seems to be sticky? | 06:10 |
| Agent_bob | next login it's same thing all over again | 06:12 |
| bassboi | well, when you log out, check the box, "save session for future logins" | 06:12 |
| Agent_bob | what box ? | 06:13 |
| bassboi | there should be a checkbox underneath the 6 buttons when you wanna quit | 06:13 |
| Agent_bob | i press the "quit" button and the gui goes away | 06:13 |
| bassboi | applications ~> quit | 06:13 |
| bassboi | ? | 06:13 |
| Agent_bob | xfce menu > quit yes | 06:13 |
| bassboi | :| | 06:13 |
| bassboi | it gives me a an option on what to do... shutdown, restart, logout, hibernate, etc. | 06:14 |
| bassboi | i can't help you then, sorry :| | 06:14 |
| Agent_bob | ummm i saw those one time. seems that one may have to use a ?dm to get those options ? | 06:14 |
| Agent_bob | i could start gdm and test i guess | 06:15 |
| bassboi | ok | 06:15 |
| bassboi | try that | 06:15 |
| bassboi | i know i have a lot of gnome crap running when i use xfce | 06:15 |
| Agent_bob | hmm guess i'll have to set a password to be able to use gdm to login | 06:17 |
| Agent_bob | ok test says that it works and saves changes if using a dm now i'll see if i can see why it's not working without one | 06:20 |
| Agent_bob | ok i think i may have found it in menu>settings>startup and session> autosave session check box not ticked. | 06:24 |
| Agent_bob | bah everything but the panel still crashes. | 06:25 |
| Agent_bob | ah here is some interesting jargon http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/?show=da289823 | 06:26 |
| bassboi | weird :| | 06:29 |
| Agent_bob | i'll go play with this some more... thanks just the same. | 06:37 |
| akatsuki_ | hello | 08:59 |
| akatsuki_ | i remove my network manager from my xfce menu :( | 09:00 |
| akatsuki_ | how can i get it back | 09:00 |
| TheSheep | akatsuki_: press alt+f2 and type nm-applet | 09:01 |
| akatsuki_ | ok | 09:02 |
| akatsuki_ | no one is there | 09:02 |
| akatsuki_ | i mean | 09:03 |
| akatsuki_ | nothing appears | 09:03 |
| akatsuki_ | when i do that | 09:03 |
| akatsuki_ | so what else | 09:04 |
| akatsuki_ | any suggestion? | 09:04 |
| TheSheep | right-click on the panel, select 'add item' and select 'system notification area' | 09:04 |
| TheSheep | sorry, it's "Sytem Tray" | 09:05 |
| TheSheep | it has a white "i" as an icon | 09:05 |
| akatsuki_ | wow | 09:09 |
| akatsuki_ | but now | 09:09 |
| akatsuki_ | 3 network managers appear lol | 09:09 |
| akatsuki_ | and if i try to remove one | 09:09 |
| akatsuki_ | i will remove all:S | 09:09 |
| TheSheep | akatsuki_: open a terminal, and type 'killall nm-applet' | 09:11 |
| TheSheep | akatsuki_: then press alt+f2 and type 'nm-applet' in there | 09:12 |
| TheSheep | you did not remove the network-manager icon itself, you removed the whole notification area where program put their icons | 09:12 |
| TheSheep | so the icon wasn't showing, but it was running | 09:12 |
| akatsuki_ | oh | 09:13 |
| akatsuki_ | that works | 09:13 |
| akatsuki_ | i see | 09:13 |
| akatsuki_ | thanks | 09:14 |
| akatsuki_ | i want to learn, not just fallow instructions.. if you dont care | 09:14 |
| akatsuki_ | can you tell me what exactly means nm-applet | 09:14 |
| akatsuki_ | and how this resolve it | 09:14 |
| akatsuki_ | ? | 09:17 |
| TheSheep | akatsuki_: sorry, was afk | 09:25 |
| TheSheep | akatsuki_: nm-applet is the name of the program that's reponsible for displaying the network manager icon | 09:25 |
| TheSheep | akatsuki_: you had it started several times, but because you didn't have the icon area on your panel, the icon wasn't showing | 09:26 |
| akatsuki_ | i see | 09:40 |
| akatsuki_ | thanks for the info | 09:40 |
| akatsuki_ | but it seems nm-applet is not only netowrk manger but also the battery charge viewer | 09:40 |
| akatsuki_ | isnt? | 09:40 |
| TheSheep | akatsuki_: no, that's gnome-power-manager | 10:02 |
| TheSheep | akatsuki_: they just display their icons in the notification area | 10:02 |
| Myrtti | so the notification area is missing? | 10:02 |
| akatsuki_ | i see | 10:02 |
| akatsuki_ | gnome? | 10:02 |
| akatsuki_ | so xfce use a bit of gnome | 10:02 |
| akatsuki_ | i see | 10:02 |
| TheSheep | akatsuki_: not really, it uses the best programs for the yob that are around | 10:05 |
| TheSheep | akatsuki_: some of them happen to be the same as gnome | 10:05 |
| akatsuki_ | i see | 10:06 |
| akatsuki_ | well i had try both and i prefer xfce | 10:06 |
| akatsuki_ | it seems for me a bit more stable and also a lot faster | 10:06 |
| akatsuki_ | i wonder why most people prefer gnome or kde | 10:06 |
| TheSheep | akatsuki_: kde is more similar to windows, and people are accustomed to that | 10:27 |
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| edmoore | hi all. So I like the look of xubuntu, thought the caveat is that I am new to linux so may not be able to qualify that. So I have a couple of questions - what do I loose out on by using xubuntu over straight gnobe ubuntu | 10:58 |
| edmoore | I don't care about filly bits like compiz/fusion, but is there anything more fundamental? | 10:59 |
| wols_ | not really. it's a matter of preference | 11:00 |
| edmoore | like do lots of preograms in the universe repo only work with gnome? the question probably reveals a lack of understanding of x-systems in general, hich I humbly admit to. | 11:00 |
| edmoore | oh hi wols | 11:00 |
| edmoore | fancy seeing you here. | 11:00 |
| wols_ | even if. if you install a gnome program it gets its required dependencies and will work like normal | 11:00 |
| wols_ | so if you want evolution, you can just install it | 11:00 |
| wols_ | it of course drags in a lot of garbage which will then use memory :) | 11:00 |
| TheSheep | edmoore: thunar doesn't have samba support out of the box | 11:01 |
| edmoore | ha, it's mainly a headless server that will be cli most of the time, but occassionally I will want to start x and do something | 11:01 |
| edmoore | so I think the way to do this is to install ubuntu server and then apr-get xfce. Or would you recommend instead installing xubuntu and maybe get the server bits afterwards? | 11:02 |
| edmoore | apt-get* | 11:02 |
| edmoore | Again, feeling my way through brand new territory here, though very much enjoying learning. | 11:02 |
| edmoore | so sorry if it's all a bit ignorant | 11:03 |
| wols_ | edmoore: you can just install xubuntu-desktop if you want xubuntu | 11:04 |
| wols_ | not just xfce. that won't giev you xubuntu | 11:04 |
| edmoore | so what extra does it give me? Is it just Oo (or equivalent) type stuff I can get as I need it, or is there more still? | 11:04 |
| wols_ | apt-cache show xubuntu-desktop | 11:06 |
| edmoore | so for instance, I'm not too bothered if I have no mail client or office program out of the box. But if the differences are more deep, I'm all ears. | 11:06 |
| edmoore | ok so there isn't that much in apt-cache show xubuntu-desktop. I will install the whole lot then | 11:07 |
| edmoore | just trying to keep it lean as it's basically just doing numerical sims 99% of the time :) | 11:08 |
| adamw9678 | Hello all | 11:19 |
| adamw9678 | I am trying to open an executable program but it keep opening in in abiword, What do I need to open it with? | 11:22 |
| microwaver | Hello, does anyone have a good tutorials on thunar / menu working in Xcfe | 11:25 |
| edmoore | TheSheep: so if I add xubuntu-desktop ontop of ubuntu-server (with samba installed) should I be good or do i need to do something further? | 11:31 |
| TheSheep | edmoore: xubuntu-desktop has samba alsready, it's just thunar (the file manager) that cannot use it directly, and it's a common problem for users who want to use it togethr with windows machines | 11:35 |
| TheSheep | edmoore: if you install xubuntu-desktop on ubuntu-server, it's pretty much the same as if you installed xubuntu directly | 11:36 |
| edmoore | sure | 11:38 |
| edmoore | ok, well I guess there's a fix for thunar floating about on the web somewhere | 11:38 |
| edmoore | TheSheep: I assume it's also easy enough to get the system to boot without loading X by default? | 11:39 |
| TheSheep | edmoore: yes, just modify the /etc/rc.d links | 11:40 |
| lboken | hi every one i need some help i try to configure a samba share folder (called music)so i can put all my music in one pc and ahve access to all the others and one is in windows xp. i see the server and all on my windows but when i try to login server/username (with the good password) it doesnt go in the login box comeback can some one help me to find out what wrong? | 11:59 |
| lboken | thanks in advance | 11:59 |
| adamw9678 | What bit of software should I use to open a bin file? | 13:46 |
| edmoore | to edit it or run it? | 13:47 |
| adamw9678 | To run it. When I try to open it it opens in abiword? | 13:47 |
| edmoore | ./<name of file> | 13:49 |
| adamw9678 | In the terminal? | 13:49 |
| edmoore | yeah | 13:51 |
| edmoore | once you're in the correct directory | 13:51 |
| adamw9678 | sudo? | 13:51 |
| adamw9678 | sorry I'm still learning how to use the terminal | 13:52 |
| TheSheep | usually you don't want to run all the programs with sudo | 13:53 |
| TheSheep | sudo is only for the things you want to allow modifying your system | 13:53 |
| adamw9678 | the icon is on the desktop | 13:53 |
| TheSheep | adamw9678: open your home directory with the file manager, enter the Desktop directory, right-click on the empty space and select 'open terminal here' | 13:54 |
| TheSheep | adamw9678: you might need to add the 'x' file permission to that file (in file properties) to be able to run it | 13:54 |
| edmoore | sudo means Super User DO - so it allows you to do things with super user permissions - i.e. permission to do anything. It's quite powerful as a result, and you should only use it if you try to do something and get permission denied errors, or similar | 13:56 |
| edmoore | and you actually know that you want to do what you want to do | 13:56 |
| TheSheep | at least that's the theory :) | 13:56 |
| edmoore | :) | 13:57 |
| adamw9678 | It has come back saying permission denied? | 13:57 |
| shane | anyone had any problems with keyboard failure?it is xubuntu hardy 8.04 on a laptop and the keys worked fine until a few days ago,the shift keys are the only ones that have disapeered,no response from them atall | 13:57 |
| JannoTT | !launchpad | 14:20 |
| ubottu | Launchpad is a collection of development services for Open Source projects. It's Ubuntu's bug tracker, and much more; see https://launchpad.net/ | 14:20 |
| JannoTT | Soo strange. When i surf the web it is soo slow. And ping in online games is 10000 but when i download something over http it comes with rs max free user speed. :/. | 14:23 |
| naxxtor | hmm, load balanced web proxy? | 14:24 |
| naxxtor | OR your ISP QoSes the heck out of anything but HTTP >_< | 14:24 |
| JannoTT | Dunno :P | 14:25 |
| rabby | hi | 14:29 |
| vinnl | Hey rabby | 14:29 |
| rabby | is there anyone who has a capi (avm isdn fritz!card) running within xubuntu? | 14:29 |
| rabby | it does not show any error, the driver runs, is loaded and everything looks fine. but it does not receive any data :( | 14:30 |
| rabby | capiinfo is full of zeroes, which is not very nice, i guess..? | 14:30 |
| MrNaz | what's the best music player for xubuntu? preferably one that doesnt require installing 20 only vaguely related libs | 16:32 |
| MrNaz | totem is ok, but it doesn't cut it for managing large playlists | 16:32 |
| MrNaz | or even playing them | 16:32 |
| TheSheep | MrNaz: I use mpd with Sonata, but you probably won't like it | 16:43 |
| TheSheep | MrNaz: many people like Exaile as it's similar to Amarok | 16:43 |
| TheSheep | maxamillion: QuodLibet is pretty nice too | 16:43 |
| TheSheep | maxamillion: sorry | 16:44 |
| TheSheep | MrNaz: that was for you too :) | 16:44 |
| MrNaz | heh | 16:46 |
| MrNaz | thanks | 16:46 |
| TheSheep | MrNaz: they are all pretty heavy, if you want something light, then go for BeepMediaPlayer or such, but it only has playlist like the old winamp | 16:47 |
| MrNaz | well | 16:50 |
| MrNaz | i have no problem with the old winamp | 16:50 |
| MrNaz | small, light, effective | 16:50 |
| MrNaz | they dont make software like they used to | 16:50 |
| TheSheep | MrNaz: then you will like bmp (beep media player) | 16:50 |
| TheSheep | MrNaz: it can even use winamp's skins | 16:50 |
| Myrtti | audacious! | 16:51 |
| TheSheep | ah, right, forgot bmp was discontinued :) | 16:52 |
| WARlrus | Hi, I've got a 256Mb RAM Dell laptop with 1.5Ghz processor, will I be better using Xubuntu or Ubuntu? | 16:53 |
| MrNaz | WARlrus probably xubuntu | 16:54 |
| MrNaz | its designed to be light & tasty | 16:55 |
| MrNaz | WARlrus that being said... i have a dual core 2.2ghz laptop w 2gb ram and i'm running xubuntu | 16:55 |
| WARlrus | Whats the main disadvantages of xubuntu then? What do I lose compared to Ubuntu? | 16:56 |
| TheSheep | WARlrus: it's not a question of hardware as much as your personal preference in this case | 16:56 |
| TheSheep | WARlrus: both will work | 16:56 |
| TheSheep | WARlrus: xubuntu uses a different set of applications and different desktop, file manager, panels, window manager, etc. | 16:56 |
| TheSheep | WARlrus: they are simplier, some people like it, some not | 16:57 |
| WARlrus | but if I'm not that bothered about pretty graphics, its got pretty much the same functionality? | 16:57 |
| TheSheep | WARlrus: it has less, for example the file manager doesn't support browsing network natively | 16:58 |
| TheSheep | (windows network) | 16:58 |
| TheSheep | WARlrus: of course, you can mix-and-match programs from all flavors of ubuntu | 16:58 |
| TheSheep | so you can install something from ubuntu, kubuntu, etc. | 16:59 |
| WARlrus | Okay, but it has all the same stuff in terms of wireless network etc? | 17:00 |
| TheSheep | WARlrus: yes, under the hood it's the same, pretty much | 17:00 |
| WARlrus | Awesome :-) Stuff like openoffice works as well? That's the main thing I'm after using... | 17:01 |
| TheSheep | it works, but it's not installed by default, you have to add it, it comes with abiword and gnumeric by default, which are faster and lighter, but less feature-rich | 17:02 |
| WARlrus | Do they work with .docx files do you know? | 17:03 |
| TheSheep | no idea, I'll kill the first person who sends me a docx file :) | 17:03 |
| WARlrus | Hehe... I use them a lot on my Windoze box at home/college, and just want a laptop that runs well and can use new format Office docs | 17:04 |
| WARlrus | even XP doesn't run on my laptop :P lol | 17:04 |
| TheSheep | might be a little difficult | 17:05 |
| WARlrus | How so? | 17:05 |
| TheSheep | WARlrus: as far as I know only the new office supports that format, that's their way of collecting the tax, you see | 17:09 |
| TheSheep | but there might be some support for it in openoffice already, no idea, you'd have to check | 17:09 |
| TheSheep | you can also just save in normal .doc or even (gasp) in something standard and portable, like opendocument format | 17:10 |
| JinKazama | hi all | 17:41 |
| JinKazama | I can't read in Pidgin the cyrillic characters. Somone any suggestion ? | 17:46 |
| Salix_ | Hello! What does this mean? | 17:50 |
| Salix_ | (npviewer.bin:7542): Gtk-WARNING **: /usr/lib/gtk-2.0/2.10.0/engines/libxfce.so: wrong ELF class: ELFCLASS64 | 17:50 |
| Salix_ | I get it if I try to use the toolbar of Firefox... | 17:50 |
| Salix_ | (a few buttons are out of order and grey and the location field does not offer anything... :-( ) | 17:51 |
| mikeblack | hello, i have my intel graphics driver installed, how do i know, which chipset i have, so i can write this in my xorg.conf ? | 17:51 |
| TheSheep | Salix_: it means you are trying to use a 64 bit library on a 32-bit system | 17:53 |
| TheSheep | mikeblack: lshw | 17:53 |
| Salix_ | TheSheep: But I have AMD64... and if I log in as another user then there is no problem at all...!?! | 17:54 |
| mikeblack | ok, i'll try it | 17:55 |
| TheSheep | Salix_: maybe some firefox extension that runs in a 32-bit sandbox is trying to access that library? | 17:55 |
| Salix_ | TheSheep: is it possible if one of the user has it the other one don't? | 17:56 |
| Salix_ | TheSheep: is there a way to figure out which extension is it? | 17:56 |
| TheSheep | Salix_: well, extensions are installed per user, so yes | 17:57 |
| TheSheep | Salix_: I guess a trieal-and-error, unless there are some tools for debugging firefox | 17:57 |
| PsynoKhi0 | JinKazama: have you activated proper language support? | 17:58 |
| JinKazama | I can't find in Pidgin language or encoding setings . | 18:00 |
| Salix_ | TheSheep: I see exactly the same extensions installed in both cases. I start trial&error method. | 18:00 |
| PsynoKhi0 | JinKazama: if you go to Applications > System > Language support | 18:01 |
| JinKazama | its OK for other applications. I have problem only Pidgin | 18:01 |
| TheSheep | Salix_: if you don't care what causes it, you can just delete the .mozilla directory (after possibly backing up the bookmarks) | 18:03 |
| TheSheep | Salix_: oh, do both users use the same gtk theme? | 18:03 |
| JinKazama | if someone send mi a message with cyrillic charecters it come something like that: Âèæ äàëè ðàáîòè ðàäèîòî âå÷å. | 18:05 |
| zoredache | Selix_ , TheSheep mozilla extensions can be installed system wide... It isn't the default behavior though... | 18:09 |
| mikeblack | in lshw: configuration: driver=agpgart-intel module=intel_agp | 18:09 |
| mikeblack | is that the graphics card | 18:10 |
| mikeblack | and if yes, which one should i write in the xorg.conf | 18:10 |
| mikeblack | ? | 18:10 |
| TheSheep | zoredache: and such a system-wide extension couldn't possible cause different behaviors for different users, right? | 18:10 |
| mikeblack | intel_agp or agpgart-intel? | 18:10 |
| zoredache | TheSheep: it shouldn't... | 18:12 |
| TheSheep | mikeblack: no, the graphics card is something like: product: Mobile GM965/GL960 Integrated Graphics Controller | 18:12 |
| TheSheep | mikeblack: and ubuntu detects which driver to use automagically | 18:13 |
| mikeblack | but i must write this in xorg.conf | 18:14 |
| mikeblack | or not? | 18:14 |
| TheSheep | mikeblack: it should already be there upon install, you don't have to change anything | 18:14 |
| mikeblack | ok, thx | 18:15 |
| mikeblack | stop | 18:17 |
| mikeblack | but in my xorg.conf under Device | 18:17 |
| mikeblack | there is only "Identifier" | 18:17 |
| mikeblack | no "driver" | 18:17 |
| mikeblack | or sth | 18:17 |
| TheSheep | mikeblack: does it work? | 18:18 |
| mikeblack | no, actually not | 18:19 |
| TheSheep | mikeblack: does it display you a configuration dialog? | 18:19 |
| TheSheep | (was it working before you started editing xorg.conf?) | 18:19 |
| mikeblack | i did not edit it | 18:20 |
| mikeblack | i opened it | 18:20 |
| mikeblack | i read it | 18:20 |
| mikeblack | ... | 18:20 |
| mikeblack | =) | 18:20 |
| TheSheep | mikeblack: so it was like that right after install already? | 18:20 |
| mikeblack | yes | 18:20 |
| TheSheep | mikeblack: a perfectly normla, standard install from the cd? | 18:20 |
| TheSheep | normal | 18:20 |
| mikeblack | yes | 18:20 |
| TheSheep | argh, then we have a bug | 18:21 |
| TheSheep | mikeblack: and when you try to start X, what happens exactly? | 18:21 |
| TheSheep | mikeblack: for example. when you run 'sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart' | 18:21 |
| mikeblack | the x server starts | 18:21 |
| mikeblack | everthing is normal | 18:22 |
| TheSheep | that's good :) | 18:22 |
| mikeblack | yes ^^ | 18:23 |
| mikeblack | but i want to install the graphics driver | 18:24 |
| mikeblack | but | 18:24 |
| TheSheep | mikeblack: it's installed already, otherwise your computer would be unable to display graphics | 18:24 |
| mikeblack | it was already installed in synaptic | 18:24 |
| mikeblack | yeah | 18:24 |
| mikeblack | but for games, ... | 18:25 |
| mikeblack | =) | 18:25 |
| mikeblack | are they working? | 18:25 |
| mikeblack | already | 18:25 |
| mikeblack | ? | 18:25 |
| mikeblack | sry for my bad language | 18:26 |
| TheSheep | it should be using either Intel or i810 driver, I guess, you can check/set it in 'sudo displayconfig-gtk', but be careful, you can break it | 18:26 |
| mikeblack | but i'm from germany | 18:26 |
| mikeblack | yes | 18:26 |
| TheSheep | why don't you just try some game that uses 3d? | 18:26 |
| mikeblack | k | 18:26 |
| TheSheep | planetpenguin-racer for example :P | 18:27 |
| mikeblack | ok, it works ^^ | 18:42 |
| mikeblack | i'm leaving now | 18:42 |
| mikeblack | cu | 18:43 |
| seek3r | hello. I have a question about xubuntu and package compatibility, if anyone cares to answer it. | 19:01 |
| zoredache | no need to ask if you can ask. Just ask your question... :) | 19:01 |
| totalwormage | ask it | 19:01 |
| totalwormage | :] | 19:01 |
| * totalwormage hifives zoredache | 19:01 | |
| seek3r | okay, what I wanted to know was if I can install a package intended for etch debian on it. I belive it is xubuntu 7.04 that I will be using | 19:02 |
| seek3r | Or would I be better off compiling the application from source? | 19:02 |
| TheSheep | seek3r: depends on the package | 19:02 |
| seek3r | :) | 19:02 |
| zoredache | seek3r: it is possible... but it would be vety dependant on the application | 19:02 |
| seek3r | ummmm. okay. its aircrack-ng. :) | 19:03 |
| TheSheep | seek3r: lowl-level stuff, close to the kernel will probably not work | 19:03 |
| zoredache | seek3r: you could get the source for the etch package and just rebuild a new package | 19:03 |
| seek3r | I cant get it from the usual repositorry, as I do not have network access on the xubuntu machine | 19:03 |
| seek3r | hmmmmmmmm. | 19:04 |
| TheSheep | seek3r: http://packages.ubuntu.com/ | 19:04 |
| seek3r | source it is, then, I guess. was hoping I could use the .deb package, tho. bummer. | 19:04 |
| seek3r | can I download the package from there using a windows machine, then copy it over? | 19:04 |
| seek3r | I have network acces with an xp box. | 19:05 |
| TheSheep | seek3r: yes | 19:05 |
| Kefga_X | Is there a way to trigger a program to run when my laptop switches to battery power? | 19:05 |
| seek3r | ah. very nice indeed. | 19:06 |
| TheSheep | Kefga_X: it is possible in general, but I don't know any details | 19:09 |
| seek3r | nother question. downloading packages from the repository website, will it resove the dependencies for me, or do i need to work that out on my own.? | 19:09 |
| TheSheep | seek3r: the latter | 19:09 |
| Kefga_X | TheSheep: hmm, thanks anways, back to google! | 19:09 |
| seek3r | thought so, but I had to ask. thanks much. :) | 19:09 |
| zoredache | the packages site will tell you what you need though | 19:09 |
| TheSheep | seek3r: there is some program that can resolve deps and prepare a zip for you, but it needs another linux I think | 19:09 |
| TheSheep | get-zip or something | 19:10 |
| TheSheep | apt-zip | 19:10 |
| seek3r | yah. well, the website gave me a list of dependent packages, I will just download them all and hope they had the page right. :) | 19:10 |
| seek3r | using a windoze box right now. no linux available at the moment. :( | 19:11 |
| TheSheep | seek3r: the deps can have their deps in turn... | 19:11 |
| zoredache | you could always try booting the livecd on your xp desktop or setting up wubi or something... | 19:11 |
| seek3r | oh yeh, I know. dependency hell ..... been there, done that. :( | 19:11 |
| seek3r | yeah, but I dont have a live disc handy, only the alternate install. :( | 19:12 |
| seek3r | didnt wanna have to download and burn it again. :( | 19:12 |
| seek3r | and we are talking laptop city here, no desktops at all. :) | 19:13 |
| seek3r | I have several of them, each one kind of kitted out for a diffrent "mission", as it were. :) | 19:13 |
| seek3r | I kind of wanted xubuntu for the one, because its a little lower end machine. | 19:14 |
| seek3r | one more stupid question. will the i386 versions of things run on an amd chip? I belive so, but wanted to make sure. | 19:17 |
| zoredache | yes | 19:17 |
| seek3r | thought they might. I guess the amd version is just optimized code? not really worried about maximum performance for my purposes, just that it functions. | 19:18 |
| seek3r | I would assume that it is core system and packages, as long as they all match, right? | 19:19 |
| TheSheep | it won't allow you to install package from work architecture | 19:20 |
| seek3r | okay. not a problem there. :) | 19:20 |
| Kefga_X | Is there an easy way to edit the Applications menu in Xubuntu? | 19:24 |
| PsynoKhi0 | Kefga_X: you mean with a GUI tool rather than manually as described here? http://wiki.xfce.org/howto/customize-menu | 19:35 |
| Kefga_X | PsynoKhi0: yes | 19:35 |
| PsynoKhi0 | http://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?pid=359516 this is the closest I could find... it's about making the menu editor access your standard Application entries | 19:39 |
| PsynoKhi0 | still gotta get your hands dirty :) | 19:39 |
| Kefga_X | PsynoKhi0: eh, you can't win them all, thanks though | 19:45 |
| LetsGo67 | I cannot play sound, because my sound device is being used, how can I find out what is using it? | 19:50 |
| PsynoKhi0 | Kefga_X: np... shame though, it's easy as pie in GNOME | 19:52 |
| TheSheep | LetsGo67: try: lsof /dev/dsp | 19:55 |
| TheSheep | LetsGo67: or 'lsof | grep snd' | 19:55 |
| LetsGo67 | xfce-mcs-, xfce4-mix, firefox, firefox, firefox, and firefox | 19:58 |
| TheSheep | my bet would be that it's either firefox, firefox, firefox or firefox | 19:58 |
| LetsGo67 | :D | 19:58 |
| LetsGo67 | I can't hear anything, TheSheep. | 19:59 |
| LetsGo67 | Now I killed Firefox. | 19:59 |
| LetsGo67 | TheSheep: works now, thanks for your help! | 20:00 |
| LetsGo67 | ttyl | 20:00 |
| WARlrus | Hi, I'm having trouble installing xubuntu - the installer gets to 15% and then the computer locks up :S | 21:01 |
| vinnl | WARlrus, you mean you can't move the cursor or it just stops installing? | 21:03 |
| WARlrus | Can't move the cursor | 21:03 |
| vinnl | Hmm, then I wouldn't know what the problem is :( | 21:04 |
| vinnl | Do you have enough RAM? | 21:04 |
| WARlrus | 256Mb | 21:04 |
| vinnl | That should work | 21:04 |
| vinnl | What you could do is try installing with the Alternate CD | 21:04 |
| WARlrus | Where can I get that? | 21:04 |
| vinnl | The same place you downloaded the Desktop CD | 21:05 |
| WARlrus | Thanks :) | 21:06 |
| WARlrus | Whats different about the alternate CD? | 21:06 |
| vinnl | It's not graphical | 21:09 |
| vinnl | It might look a little scary but it's in essence the same | 21:09 |
| WARlrus | Ah okay :) | 21:09 |
| vinnl | :) | 21:09 |
| WARlrus | My laptop is very slow when running the first stages of the installer | 21:11 |
| WARlrus | may that have anything to do with it? | 21:12 |
| vinnl | Might be, the alternate installer is lighter on resources so if that's the problem it could solve it :) | 21:12 |
| WARlrus | Excellent, now just have to wait 30 mins for it to download :'( | 21:12 |
| vinnl | I'm feeling your pain ;-) | 21:13 |
| WARlrus | I get the feeling this is going to be a long night :-D lol | 21:13 |
| vinnl | :P | 21:13 |
| vinnl | At least we're close in timezones then :P | 21:14 |
| WARlrus | Where abouts are you? | 21:15 |
| vinnl | The Netherlands | 21:15 |
| WARlrus | I'm UK :) | 21:15 |
| WARlrus | and the installers just done the same thing again... lol | 21:15 |
| vinnl | Never give up, eh? :P | 21:15 |
| WARlrus | Yeah -.- | 21:15 |
| jarnos | I wonder why USB-powered external hdd remains spinning after I shut down computer? | 21:38 |
| zoredache | some usb drives never spin down | 21:40 |
| jarnos | zoredache: If I remember right, the same drive did spin down when connected to another computer. | 21:41 |
| jarnos | zoredache: Additionally, this drive spins down by delay, but I am not sure it works with the problematic computer. | 21:52 |
| WARlrus | Hi :) I'm still having trouble with the xubuntu install. I'm running the alternative installer now, and it is failing on "Select and install software". is this a step I can skip and then come to once the system is up and running? | 22:57 |
| zoredache | it would kinda depend on how much it was able to successfully install | 23:00 |
| WARlrus | Well I can skip to the next step | 23:03 |
| WARlrus | I think... | 23:03 |
| WARlrus | what could be causing that error? | 23:03 |
| zoredache | bad download, or bad burn to the cd are the most likely causes | 23:04 |
| zoredache | did you do a disk verify? | 23:04 |
| WARlrus | Righty, I'll re-burn the CD then :) | 23:04 |
| WARlrus | No, good idea lol | 23:04 |
| zoredache | one of the boot options is to verify the disk | 23:04 |
| WARlrus | Running that now, we'll see what that throws up | 23:05 |
| WARlrus | Ahhh! Corrupted CD | 23:11 |
| WARlrus | right, lets burn a new one | 23:11 |
| zoredache | you might try burning slower... or maybe faster... or something | 23:11 |
| zoredache | since the cd is corrupt you might want to double check the md5 of the iso you downloaded just to be sure you aren't starting with a bad download | 23:12 |
| zoredache | !md5 | 23:12 |
| ubottu | To verify your Ubuntu ISO image (or other files for which an MD5 checksum is provided), see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/VerifyIsoHowto or http://www.linuxquestions.org/linux/answers/LQ_ISO/Checking_the_md5sum_in_Windows | 23:12 |
| WARlrus | Cheers :) I've done MD5 has testing before, just need to find the supposed hash of the download | 23:14 |
| WARlrus | Yeah, checksums are the same :) Re-burning it is! | 23:15 |
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