[00:19] hello, please i need some advice.. im taking a linux class, and i have a 18 pages final essay... i was thinking about how to compile the kernel, but there is really not that much to talk about.. please can someone help me with an interesting topic about linux [00:21] johnJe_: what are you studying to become? [00:21] I suspect you could get 18 pages out of something security related.. [00:22] Perhaps you would write something trying to convincing people that the right to fork is what is keeping linux from becoming popular? [00:23] or just write something about what you think it would take for Linux to be useable on everyones desktop [00:23] i see [00:23] that would be nice [00:23] thanks for the tip [00:23] CIS is my major [00:23] but first time taking a linux class [00:24] of course you could also simply write a paper bashing linux... find a list of all the various flawas, and point them out. Then to make your paper great, suggest solutions [00:25] I know you could very easily fill up 18 pages with all the complaints everyone seems to have [01:35] hello, i'm trying to customize my top panel. i'm on a laptop and when i first tried using the trackpad after install, the mouse went crazy and moved a lot of the icons. i am now trying to move everything back. i currently have the icons all together on the left. i want to split it the way it was at default, with the shutdown, time, battery, etc icons on the right hand side. but i can't seem to be able to do it. any ideas? [01:36] i right click and select move, but it only moves the icons around each other, it won't move the icon to the far right side [01:36] and also, my battery and wireless icon doesn't even have a 'move' option [01:49] add a spacer [01:55] hi all [01:55] i'm new with xubuntu :D [01:56] i'm impressed, it's so light and fast [02:00] bassboi: that did it, must have deleted the original one, thanks! [03:37] aammm [04:46] besides wifi-rader, what are some other good wifi/wireless applications? [05:00] i can't see borders around windows (where the minimize button is). when i click on the 'window manager' setting i get this message: "these setting can't work with your current window manager (unknown)" any idea? [05:12] when i launch it, it comes up with the default background and panels but then the panels vanish, and right click does nothing. i can alt+f2 run xfce4-panel and get them back. but nothing seems [05:12] to be sticky. any thoughts on why ? [06:09] anyone that knows some about xfce4? when i launch it, it comes up with the default background and panels but then the panels vanish, and right click does nothing. i can alt+f2 run xfce4-panel and get them back. but nothing seems to be sticky. any thoughts on why ? (and i'll stop repeting now.) [06:10] what you mean nothing seems to be sticky? [06:12] next login it's same thing all over again [06:12] well, when you log out, check the box, "save session for future logins" [06:13] what box ? [06:13] there should be a checkbox underneath the 6 buttons when you wanna quit [06:13] i press the "quit" button and the gui goes away [06:13] applications ~> quit [06:13] ? [06:13] xfce menu > quit yes [06:13] :| [06:14] it gives me a an option on what to do... shutdown, restart, logout, hibernate, etc. [06:14] i can't help you then, sorry :| [06:14] ummm i saw those one time. seems that one may have to use a ?dm to get those options ? [06:15] i could start gdm and test i guess [06:15] ok [06:15] try that [06:15] i know i have a lot of gnome crap running when i use xfce [06:17] hmm guess i'll have to set a password to be able to use gdm to login [06:20] ok test says that it works and saves changes if using a dm now i'll see if i can see why it's not working without one [06:24] ok i think i may have found it in menu>settings>startup and session> autosave session check box not ticked. [06:25] bah everything but the panel still crashes. [06:26] ah here is some interesting jargon http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/?show=da289823 [06:29] weird :| [06:37] i'll go play with this some more... thanks just the same. [08:59] hello [09:00] i remove my network manager from my xfce menu :( [09:00] how can i get it back [09:01] akatsuki_: press alt+f2 and type nm-applet [09:02] ok [09:02] no one is there [09:03] i mean [09:03] nothing appears [09:03] when i do that [09:04] so what else [09:04] any suggestion? [09:04] right-click on the panel, select 'add item' and select 'system notification area' [09:05] sorry, it's "Sytem Tray" [09:05] it has a white "i" as an icon [09:09] wow [09:09] but now [09:09] 3 network managers appear lol [09:09] and if i try to remove one [09:09] i will remove all:S [09:11] akatsuki_: open a terminal, and type 'killall nm-applet' [09:12] akatsuki_: then press alt+f2 and type 'nm-applet' in there [09:12] you did not remove the network-manager icon itself, you removed the whole notification area where program put their icons [09:12] so the icon wasn't showing, but it was running [09:13] oh [09:13] that works [09:13] i see [09:14] thanks [09:14] i want to learn, not just fallow instructions.. if you dont care [09:14] can you tell me what exactly means nm-applet [09:14] and how this resolve it [09:17] ? [09:25] akatsuki_: sorry, was afk [09:25] akatsuki_: nm-applet is the name of the program that's reponsible for displaying the network manager icon [09:26] akatsuki_: you had it started several times, but because you didn't have the icon area on your panel, the icon wasn't showing [09:40] i see [09:40] thanks for the info [09:40] but it seems nm-applet is not only netowrk manger but also the battery charge viewer [09:40] isnt? [10:02] akatsuki_: no, that's gnome-power-manager [10:02] akatsuki_: they just display their icons in the notification area [10:02] so the notification area is missing? [10:02] i see [10:02] gnome? [10:02] so xfce use a bit of gnome [10:02] i see [10:05] akatsuki_: not really, it uses the best programs for the yob that are around [10:05] akatsuki_: some of them happen to be the same as gnome [10:06] i see [10:06] well i had try both and i prefer xfce [10:06] it seems for me a bit more stable and also a lot faster [10:06] i wonder why most people prefer gnome or kde [10:27] akatsuki_: kde is more similar to windows, and people are accustomed to that === Twinkletoes|W is now known as Guest10749 === Twinkletoes|W_ is now known as Twinkletoes|W [10:58] hi all. So I like the look of xubuntu, thought the caveat is that I am new to linux so may not be able to qualify that. So I have a couple of questions - what do I loose out on by using xubuntu over straight gnobe ubuntu [10:59] I don't care about filly bits like compiz/fusion, but is there anything more fundamental? [11:00] not really. it's a matter of preference [11:00] like do lots of preograms in the universe repo only work with gnome? the question probably reveals a lack of understanding of x-systems in general, hich I humbly admit to. [11:00] oh hi wols [11:00] fancy seeing you here. [11:00] even if. if you install a gnome program it gets its required dependencies and will work like normal [11:00] so if you want evolution, you can just install it [11:00] it of course drags in a lot of garbage which will then use memory :) [11:01] edmoore: thunar doesn't have samba support out of the box [11:01] ha, it's mainly a headless server that will be cli most of the time, but occassionally I will want to start x and do something [11:02] so I think the way to do this is to install ubuntu server and then apr-get xfce. Or would you recommend instead installing xubuntu and maybe get the server bits afterwards? [11:02] apt-get* [11:02] Again, feeling my way through brand new territory here, though very much enjoying learning. [11:03] so sorry if it's all a bit ignorant [11:04] edmoore: you can just install xubuntu-desktop if you want xubuntu [11:04] not just xfce. that won't giev you xubuntu [11:04] so what extra does it give me? Is it just Oo (or equivalent) type stuff I can get as I need it, or is there more still? [11:06] apt-cache show xubuntu-desktop [11:06] so for instance, I'm not too bothered if I have no mail client or office program out of the box. But if the differences are more deep, I'm all ears. [11:07] ok so there isn't that much in apt-cache show xubuntu-desktop. I will install the whole lot then [11:08] just trying to keep it lean as it's basically just doing numerical sims 99% of the time :) [11:19] Hello all [11:22] I am trying to open an executable program but it keep opening in in abiword, What do I need to open it with? [11:25] Hello, does anyone have a good tutorials on thunar / menu working in Xcfe [11:31] TheSheep: so if I add xubuntu-desktop ontop of ubuntu-server (with samba installed) should I be good or do i need to do something further? [11:35] edmoore: xubuntu-desktop has samba alsready, it's just thunar (the file manager) that cannot use it directly, and it's a common problem for users who want to use it togethr with windows machines [11:36] edmoore: if you install xubuntu-desktop on ubuntu-server, it's pretty much the same as if you installed xubuntu directly [11:38] sure [11:38] ok, well I guess there's a fix for thunar floating about on the web somewhere [11:39] TheSheep: I assume it's also easy enough to get the system to boot without loading X by default? [11:40] edmoore: yes, just modify the /etc/rc.d links [11:59] hi every one i need some help i try to configure a samba share folder (called music)so i can put all my music in one pc and ahve access to all the others and one is in windows xp. i see the server and all on my windows but when i try to login server/username (with the good password) it doesnt go in the login box comeback can some one help me to find out what wrong? [11:59] thanks in advance [13:46] What bit of software should I use to open a bin file? [13:47] to edit it or run it? [13:47] To run it. When I try to open it it opens in abiword? [13:49] ./ [13:49] In the terminal? [13:51] yeah [13:51] once you're in the correct directory [13:51] sudo? [13:52] sorry I'm still learning how to use the terminal [13:53] usually you don't want to run all the programs with sudo [13:53] sudo is only for the things you want to allow modifying your system [13:53] the icon is on the desktop [13:54] adamw9678: open your home directory with the file manager, enter the Desktop directory, right-click on the empty space and select 'open terminal here' [13:54] adamw9678: you might need to add the 'x' file permission to that file (in file properties) to be able to run it [13:56] sudo means Super User DO - so it allows you to do things with super user permissions - i.e. permission to do anything. It's quite powerful as a result, and you should only use it if you try to do something and get permission denied errors, or similar [13:56] and you actually know that you want to do what you want to do [13:56] at least that's the theory :) [13:57] :) [13:57] It has come back saying permission denied? [13:57] anyone had any problems with keyboard failure?it is xubuntu hardy 8.04 on a laptop and the keys worked fine until a few days ago,the shift keys are the only ones that have disapeered,no response from them atall [14:20] !launchpad [14:20] Launchpad is a collection of development services for Open Source projects. It's Ubuntu's bug tracker, and much more; see https://launchpad.net/ [14:23] Soo strange. When i surf the web it is soo slow. And ping in online games is 10000 but when i download something over http it comes with rs max free user speed. :/. [14:24] hmm, load balanced web proxy? [14:24] OR your ISP QoSes the heck out of anything but HTTP >_< [14:25] Dunno :P [14:29] hi [14:29] Hey rabby [14:29] is there anyone who has a capi (avm isdn fritz!card) running within xubuntu? [14:30] it does not show any error, the driver runs, is loaded and everything looks fine. but it does not receive any data :( [14:30] capiinfo is full of zeroes, which is not very nice, i guess..? [16:32] what's the best music player for xubuntu? preferably one that doesnt require installing 20 only vaguely related libs [16:32] totem is ok, but it doesn't cut it for managing large playlists [16:32] or even playing them [16:43] MrNaz: I use mpd with Sonata, but you probably won't like it [16:43] MrNaz: many people like Exaile as it's similar to Amarok [16:43] maxamillion: QuodLibet is pretty nice too [16:44] maxamillion: sorry [16:44] MrNaz: that was for you too :) [16:46] heh [16:46] thanks [16:47] MrNaz: they are all pretty heavy, if you want something light, then go for BeepMediaPlayer or such, but it only has playlist like the old winamp [16:50] well [16:50] i have no problem with the old winamp [16:50] small, light, effective [16:50] they dont make software like they used to [16:50] MrNaz: then you will like bmp (beep media player) [16:50] MrNaz: it can even use winamp's skins [16:51] audacious! [16:52] ah, right, forgot bmp was discontinued :) [16:53] Hi, I've got a 256Mb RAM Dell laptop with 1.5Ghz processor, will I be better using Xubuntu or Ubuntu? [16:54] WARlrus probably xubuntu [16:55] its designed to be light & tasty [16:55] WARlrus that being said... i have a dual core 2.2ghz laptop w 2gb ram and i'm running xubuntu [16:56] Whats the main disadvantages of xubuntu then? What do I lose compared to Ubuntu? [16:56] WARlrus: it's not a question of hardware as much as your personal preference in this case [16:56] WARlrus: both will work [16:56] WARlrus: xubuntu uses a different set of applications and different desktop, file manager, panels, window manager, etc. [16:57] WARlrus: they are simplier, some people like it, some not [16:57] but if I'm not that bothered about pretty graphics, its got pretty much the same functionality? [16:58] WARlrus: it has less, for example the file manager doesn't support browsing network natively [16:58] (windows network) [16:58] WARlrus: of course, you can mix-and-match programs from all flavors of ubuntu [16:59] so you can install something from ubuntu, kubuntu, etc. [17:00] Okay, but it has all the same stuff in terms of wireless network etc? [17:00] WARlrus: yes, under the hood it's the same, pretty much [17:01] Awesome :-) Stuff like openoffice works as well? That's the main thing I'm after using... [17:02] it works, but it's not installed by default, you have to add it, it comes with abiword and gnumeric by default, which are faster and lighter, but less feature-rich [17:03] Do they work with .docx files do you know? [17:03] no idea, I'll kill the first person who sends me a docx file :) [17:04] Hehe... I use them a lot on my Windoze box at home/college, and just want a laptop that runs well and can use new format Office docs [17:04] even XP doesn't run on my laptop :P lol [17:05] might be a little difficult [17:05] How so? [17:09] WARlrus: as far as I know only the new office supports that format, that's their way of collecting the tax, you see [17:09] but there might be some support for it in openoffice already, no idea, you'd have to check [17:10] you can also just save in normal .doc or even (gasp) in something standard and portable, like opendocument format [17:41] hi all [17:46] I can't read in Pidgin the cyrillic characters. Somone any suggestion ? [17:50] Hello! What does this mean? [17:50] (npviewer.bin:7542): Gtk-WARNING **: /usr/lib/gtk-2.0/2.10.0/engines/libxfce.so: wrong ELF class: ELFCLASS64 [17:50] I get it if I try to use the toolbar of Firefox... [17:51] (a few buttons are out of order and grey and the location field does not offer anything... :-( ) [17:51] hello, i have my intel graphics driver installed, how do i know, which chipset i have, so i can write this in my xorg.conf ? [17:53] Salix_: it means you are trying to use a 64 bit library on a 32-bit system [17:53] mikeblack: lshw [17:54] TheSheep: But I have AMD64... and if I log in as another user then there is no problem at all...!?! [17:55] ok, i'll try it [17:55] Salix_: maybe some firefox extension that runs in a 32-bit sandbox is trying to access that library? [17:56] TheSheep: is it possible if one of the user has it the other one don't? [17:56] TheSheep: is there a way to figure out which extension is it? [17:57] Salix_: well, extensions are installed per user, so yes [17:57] Salix_: I guess a trieal-and-error, unless there are some tools for debugging firefox [17:58] JinKazama: have you activated proper language support? [18:00] I can't find in Pidgin language or encoding setings . [18:00] TheSheep: I see exactly the same extensions installed in both cases. I start trial&error method. [18:01] JinKazama: if you go to Applications > System > Language support [18:01] its OK for other applications. I have problem only Pidgin [18:03] Salix_: if you don't care what causes it, you can just delete the .mozilla directory (after possibly backing up the bookmarks) [18:03] Salix_: oh, do both users use the same gtk theme? [18:05] if someone send mi a message with cyrillic charecters it come something like that: Âèæ äàëè ðàáîòè ðàäèîòî âå÷å. [18:09] Selix_ , TheSheep mozilla extensions can be installed system wide... It isn't the default behavior though... [18:09] in lshw: configuration: driver=agpgart-intel module=intel_agp [18:10] is that the graphics card [18:10] and if yes, which one should i write in the xorg.conf [18:10] ? [18:10] zoredache: and such a system-wide extension couldn't possible cause different behaviors for different users, right? [18:10] intel_agp or agpgart-intel? [18:12] TheSheep: it shouldn't... [18:12] mikeblack: no, the graphics card is something like: product: Mobile GM965/GL960 Integrated Graphics Controller [18:13] mikeblack: and ubuntu detects which driver to use automagically [18:14] but i must write this in xorg.conf [18:14] or not? [18:14] mikeblack: it should already be there upon install, you don't have to change anything [18:15] ok, thx [18:17] stop [18:17] but in my xorg.conf under Device [18:17] there is only "Identifier" [18:17] no "driver" [18:17] or sth [18:18] mikeblack: does it work? [18:19] no, actually not [18:19] mikeblack: does it display you a configuration dialog? [18:19] (was it working before you started editing xorg.conf?) [18:20] i did not edit it [18:20] i opened it [18:20] i read it [18:20] ... [18:20] =) [18:20] mikeblack: so it was like that right after install already? [18:20] yes [18:20] mikeblack: a perfectly normla, standard install from the cd? [18:20] normal [18:20] yes [18:21] argh, then we have a bug [18:21] mikeblack: and when you try to start X, what happens exactly? [18:21] mikeblack: for example. when you run 'sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart' [18:21] the x server starts [18:22] everthing is normal [18:22] that's good :) [18:23] yes ^^ [18:24] but i want to install the graphics driver [18:24] but [18:24] mikeblack: it's installed already, otherwise your computer would be unable to display graphics [18:24] it was already installed in synaptic [18:24] yeah [18:25] but for games, ... [18:25] =) [18:25] are they working? [18:25] already [18:25] ? [18:26] sry for my bad language [18:26] it should be using either Intel or i810 driver, I guess, you can check/set it in 'sudo displayconfig-gtk', but be careful, you can break it [18:26] but i'm from germany [18:26] yes [18:26] why don't you just try some game that uses 3d? [18:26] k [18:27] planetpenguin-racer for example :P [18:42] ok, it works ^^ [18:42] i'm leaving now [18:43] cu [19:01] hello. I have a question about xubuntu and package compatibility, if anyone cares to answer it. [19:01] no need to ask if you can ask. Just ask your question... :) [19:01] ask it [19:01] :] [19:01] * totalwormage hifives zoredache [19:02] okay, what I wanted to know was if I can install a package intended for etch debian on it. I belive it is xubuntu 7.04 that I will be using [19:02] Or would I be better off compiling the application from source? [19:02] seek3r: depends on the package [19:02] :) [19:02] seek3r: it is possible... but it would be vety dependant on the application [19:03] ummmm. okay. its aircrack-ng. :) [19:03] seek3r: lowl-level stuff, close to the kernel will probably not work [19:03] seek3r: you could get the source for the etch package and just rebuild a new package [19:03] I cant get it from the usual repositorry, as I do not have network access on the xubuntu machine [19:04] hmmmmmmmm. [19:04] seek3r: http://packages.ubuntu.com/ [19:04] source it is, then, I guess. was hoping I could use the .deb package, tho. bummer. [19:04] can I download the package from there using a windows machine, then copy it over? [19:05] I have network acces with an xp box. [19:05] seek3r: yes [19:05] Is there a way to trigger a program to run when my laptop switches to battery power? [19:06] ah. very nice indeed. [19:09] Kefga_X: it is possible in general, but I don't know any details [19:09] nother question. downloading packages from the repository website, will it resove the dependencies for me, or do i need to work that out on my own.? [19:09] seek3r: the latter [19:09] TheSheep: hmm, thanks anways, back to google! [19:09] thought so, but I had to ask. thanks much. :) [19:09] the packages site will tell you what you need though [19:09] seek3r: there is some program that can resolve deps and prepare a zip for you, but it needs another linux I think [19:10] get-zip or something [19:10] apt-zip [19:10] yah. well, the website gave me a list of dependent packages, I will just download them all and hope they had the page right. :) [19:11] using a windoze box right now. no linux available at the moment. :( [19:11] seek3r: the deps can have their deps in turn... [19:11] you could always try booting the livecd on your xp desktop or setting up wubi or something... [19:11] oh yeh, I know. dependency hell ..... been there, done that. :( [19:12] yeah, but I dont have a live disc handy, only the alternate install. :( [19:12] didnt wanna have to download and burn it again. :( [19:13] and we are talking laptop city here, no desktops at all. :) [19:13] I have several of them, each one kind of kitted out for a diffrent "mission", as it were. :) [19:14] I kind of wanted xubuntu for the one, because its a little lower end machine. [19:17] one more stupid question. will the i386 versions of things run on an amd chip? I belive so, but wanted to make sure. [19:17] yes [19:18] thought they might. I guess the amd version is just optimized code? not really worried about maximum performance for my purposes, just that it functions. [19:19] I would assume that it is core system and packages, as long as they all match, right? [19:20] it won't allow you to install package from work architecture [19:20] okay. not a problem there. :) [19:24] Is there an easy way to edit the Applications menu in Xubuntu? [19:35] Kefga_X: you mean with a GUI tool rather than manually as described here? http://wiki.xfce.org/howto/customize-menu [19:35] PsynoKhi0: yes [19:39] http://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?pid=359516 this is the closest I could find... it's about making the menu editor access your standard Application entries [19:39] still gotta get your hands dirty :) [19:45] PsynoKhi0: eh, you can't win them all, thanks though [19:50] I cannot play sound, because my sound device is being used, how can I find out what is using it? [19:52] Kefga_X: np... shame though, it's easy as pie in GNOME [19:55] LetsGo67: try: lsof /dev/dsp [19:55] LetsGo67: or 'lsof | grep snd' [19:58] xfce-mcs-, xfce4-mix, firefox, firefox, firefox, and firefox [19:58] my bet would be that it's either firefox, firefox, firefox or firefox [19:58] :D [19:59] I can't hear anything, TheSheep. [19:59] Now I killed Firefox. [20:00] TheSheep: works now, thanks for your help! [20:00] ttyl [21:01] Hi, I'm having trouble installing xubuntu - the installer gets to 15% and then the computer locks up :S [21:03] WARlrus, you mean you can't move the cursor or it just stops installing? [21:03] Can't move the cursor [21:04] Hmm, then I wouldn't know what the problem is :( [21:04] Do you have enough RAM? [21:04] 256Mb [21:04] That should work [21:04] What you could do is try installing with the Alternate CD [21:04] Where can I get that? [21:05] The same place you downloaded the Desktop CD [21:06] Thanks :) [21:06] Whats different about the alternate CD? [21:09] It's not graphical [21:09] It might look a little scary but it's in essence the same [21:09] Ah okay :) [21:09] :) [21:11] My laptop is very slow when running the first stages of the installer [21:12] may that have anything to do with it? [21:12] Might be, the alternate installer is lighter on resources so if that's the problem it could solve it :) [21:12] Excellent, now just have to wait 30 mins for it to download :'( [21:13] I'm feeling your pain ;-) [21:13] I get the feeling this is going to be a long night :-D lol [21:13] :P [21:14] At least we're close in timezones then :P [21:15] Where abouts are you? [21:15] The Netherlands [21:15] I'm UK :) [21:15] and the installers just done the same thing again... lol [21:15] Never give up, eh? :P [21:15] Yeah -.- [21:38] I wonder why USB-powered external hdd remains spinning after I shut down computer? [21:40] some usb drives never spin down [21:41] zoredache: If I remember right, the same drive did spin down when connected to another computer. [21:52] zoredache: Additionally, this drive spins down by delay, but I am not sure it works with the problematic computer. [22:57] Hi :) I'm still having trouble with the xubuntu install. I'm running the alternative installer now, and it is failing on "Select and install software". is this a step I can skip and then come to once the system is up and running? [23:00] it would kinda depend on how much it was able to successfully install [23:03] Well I can skip to the next step [23:03] I think... [23:03] what could be causing that error? [23:04]