[00:19] <johnJe_> hello, please i need some advice.. im taking a linux class, and i have a 18 pages final essay... i was thinking about how to compile the kernel, but there is really not that much to talk about.. please can someone help me with an interesting topic about linux
[00:21] <zoredache> johnJe_: what are you studying to become?
[00:21] <zoredache> I suspect you could get 18 pages out of something security related..
[00:22] <zoredache> Perhaps you would write something trying to convincing people that the right to fork is what is keeping linux from becoming popular?
[00:23] <zoredache> or just write something about what you think it would take for Linux to be useable on everyones desktop
[00:23] <johnJe_> i see
[00:23] <johnJe_> that would be nice
[00:23] <johnJe_> thanks for the tip
[00:23] <johnJe_> CIS is my major
[00:23] <johnJe_> but first time taking a linux class
[00:24] <zoredache> of course you could also simply write a paper bashing linux...  find a list of all the various flawas, and point them out.  Then to make your paper great, suggest solutions
[00:25] <zoredache> I know you could very easily fill up 18 pages with all the complaints everyone seems to have
[01:35] <yuka_> hello, i'm trying to customize my top panel. i'm on a laptop and when i first tried using the trackpad after install, the mouse went crazy and moved a lot of the icons. i am now trying to move everything back. i currently have the icons all together on the left. i want to split it the way it was at default, with the shutdown, time, battery, etc icons on the right hand side. but i can't seem to be able to do it. any ideas?
[01:36] <yuka_> i right click and select move, but it only moves the icons around each other, it won't move the icon to the far right side
[01:36] <yuka_> and also, my battery and wireless icon doesn't even have a 'move' option
[01:49] <bassboi> add a spacer
[01:55] <ari_stress> hi all
[01:55] <ari_stress> i'm new with xubuntu :D
[01:56] <ari_stress> i'm impressed, it's so light and fast
[02:00] <yuka_> bassboi: that did it, must have deleted the original one, thanks!
[03:37] <Genelyk> aammm
[04:46] <The-Kernel> besides wifi-rader, what are some other good wifi/wireless applications?
[05:00] <owen1> i can't see borders around windows (where the minimize button is). when i click on the 'window manager' setting i get this message: "these setting can't work with your current window manager (unknown)"  any idea?
[05:12] <Agent_bob>   when i launch it, it comes up with the default background and panels but then the panels vanish, and right click does nothing.     i can alt+f2 run xfce4-panel and get them back.    but nothing seems
[05:12] <Agent_bob> to be sticky.   any thoughts on why ?
[06:09] <Agent_bob>    anyone that knows some about xfce4?  when i launch it,  it comes up with the default background and panels but then the panels vanish, and right click does nothing.  i can alt+f2 run xfce4-panel and get them back.   but nothing seems to be sticky.   any thoughts on why ?           (and i'll stop repeting now.)
[06:10] <bassboi> what you mean nothing seems to be sticky?
[06:12] <Agent_bob> next login it's same thing all over again
[06:12] <bassboi> well, when you log out, check the box, "save session for future logins"
[06:13] <Agent_bob> what box ?
[06:13] <bassboi> there should be a checkbox underneath the 6 buttons when you wanna quit
[06:13] <Agent_bob> i press the "quit" button and the gui goes away
[06:13] <bassboi> applications ~> quit
[06:13] <bassboi> ?
[06:13] <Agent_bob> xfce menu > quit    yes
[06:13] <bassboi> :|
[06:14] <bassboi> it gives me a an option on what to do... shutdown, restart, logout, hibernate, etc.
[06:14] <bassboi> i can't help you then, sorry :|
[06:14] <Agent_bob> ummm i saw those one time.     seems that one may have to use a ?dm   to get those options ?
[06:15] <Agent_bob> i could start gdm and test i guess
[06:15] <bassboi> ok
[06:15] <bassboi> try that
[06:15] <bassboi> i know i have a lot of gnome crap running when i use xfce
[06:17] <Agent_bob> hmm guess i'll have to set a password to be able to use gdm to login
[06:20] <Agent_bob> ok test says that it works and saves changes if using a dm     now i'll see if i can see why it's not working without one
[06:24] <Agent_bob> ok i think i may have found it in  menu>settings>startup and session> autosave session check box not ticked.
[06:25] <Agent_bob> bah  everything but the panel still crashes.
[06:26] <Agent_bob> ah   here is some interesting jargon    http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/?show=da289823
[06:29] <bassboi> weird :|
[06:37] <Agent_bob> i'll go play with this some more...    thanks just the same.
[08:59] <akatsuki_> hello
[09:00] <akatsuki_> i remove my network manager from my xfce menu :(
[09:00] <akatsuki_> how can i get it back
[09:01] <TheSheep> akatsuki_: press alt+f2 and type nm-applet
[09:02] <akatsuki_> ok
[09:02] <akatsuki_> no one is there
[09:03] <akatsuki_> i mean
[09:03] <akatsuki_> nothing appears
[09:03] <akatsuki_> when i do that
[09:04] <akatsuki_> so what else
[09:04] <akatsuki_> any suggestion?
[09:04] <TheSheep> right-click on the panel, select 'add item' and select 'system notification area'
[09:05] <TheSheep> sorry, it's "Sytem Tray"
[09:05] <TheSheep> it has a white "i" as an icon
[09:09] <akatsuki_> wow
[09:09] <akatsuki_> but now
[09:09] <akatsuki_> 3 network managers appear lol
[09:09] <akatsuki_> and if i try to remove one
[09:09] <akatsuki_> i will remove all:S
[09:11] <TheSheep> akatsuki_: open a terminal, and type 'killall nm-applet'
[09:12] <TheSheep> akatsuki_: then press alt+f2 and type 'nm-applet' in there
[09:12] <TheSheep> you did not remove the network-manager icon itself, you removed the whole notification area where program put their icons
[09:12] <TheSheep> so the icon wasn't showing, but it was running
[09:13] <akatsuki_> oh
[09:13] <akatsuki_> that works
[09:13] <akatsuki_> i see
[09:14] <akatsuki_> thanks
[09:14] <akatsuki_> i want to learn, not just fallow instructions.. if you dont care
[09:14] <akatsuki_> can you tell me what exactly means nm-applet
[09:14] <akatsuki_> and how this resolve it
[09:17] <akatsuki_> ?
[09:25] <TheSheep> akatsuki_: sorry, was afk
[09:25] <TheSheep> akatsuki_: nm-applet is the name of the program that's reponsible for displaying the network manager icon
[09:26] <TheSheep> akatsuki_: you had it started several times, but because you didn't have the icon area on your panel, the icon wasn't showing
[09:40] <akatsuki_> i see
[09:40] <akatsuki_> thanks for the info
[09:40] <akatsuki_> but it seems nm-applet is not only netowrk manger but also the battery charge viewer
[09:40] <akatsuki_> isnt?
[10:02] <TheSheep> akatsuki_: no, that's gnome-power-manager
[10:02] <TheSheep> akatsuki_: they just display their icons in the notification area
[10:02] <Myrtti> so the notification area is missing?
[10:02] <akatsuki_> i see
[10:02] <akatsuki_> gnome?
[10:02] <akatsuki_> so xfce use a bit of gnome
[10:02] <akatsuki_> i see
[10:05] <TheSheep> akatsuki_: not really, it uses the best programs for the yob that are around
[10:05] <TheSheep> akatsuki_: some of them happen to be the same as gnome
[10:06] <akatsuki_> i see
[10:06] <akatsuki_> well i had try both and i prefer xfce
[10:06] <akatsuki_> it seems for me a bit more stable and also a lot faster
[10:06] <akatsuki_> i wonder why most people prefer gnome or kde
[10:27] <TheSheep> akatsuki_: kde is more similar to windows, and people are accustomed to that
[10:58] <edmoore> hi all. So I like the look of xubuntu, thought the caveat is that I am new to linux so may not be able to qualify that. So I have a couple of questions - what do I loose out on by using xubuntu over straight gnobe ubuntu
[10:59] <edmoore> I don't care about filly bits like compiz/fusion, but is there anything more fundamental?
[11:00] <wols_> not really. it's a matter of preference
[11:00] <edmoore> like do lots of preograms in the universe repo only work with gnome? the question probably reveals a lack of understanding of x-systems in general, hich I humbly admit to.
[11:00] <edmoore> oh hi wols
[11:00] <edmoore> fancy seeing you here.
[11:00] <wols_> even if. if you install a gnome program it gets its required dependencies and will work like normal
[11:00] <wols_> so if you want evolution, you can just install it
[11:00] <wols_> it of course drags in a lot of garbage which will then use memory :)
[11:01] <TheSheep> edmoore: thunar doesn't have samba support out of the box
[11:01] <edmoore> ha, it's mainly a headless server that will be cli most of the time, but occassionally I will want to start x and do something
[11:02] <edmoore> so I think the way to do this is to install ubuntu server and then apr-get xfce. Or would you recommend instead installing xubuntu and maybe get the server bits afterwards?
[11:02] <edmoore> apt-get*
[11:02] <edmoore> Again, feeling my way through brand new territory here, though very much enjoying learning.
[11:03] <edmoore> so sorry if it's all a bit ignorant
[11:04] <wols_> edmoore: you can just install xubuntu-desktop if you want xubuntu
[11:04] <wols_> not just xfce. that won't giev you xubuntu
[11:04] <edmoore> so what extra does it give me? Is it just Oo (or equivalent) type stuff I can get as I need it, or is there more still?
[11:06] <wols_> apt-cache show xubuntu-desktop
[11:06] <edmoore> so for instance, I'm not too bothered if I have no mail client or office program out of the box. But if the differences are more deep, I'm all ears.
[11:07] <edmoore> ok so there isn't that much in apt-cache show xubuntu-desktop. I will install the whole lot then
[11:08] <edmoore> just trying to keep it lean as it's basically just doing numerical sims 99% of the time :)
[11:19] <adamw9678> Hello all
[11:22] <adamw9678> I am trying to open an executable program but it keep opening in in abiword, What do I need to open it with?
[11:25] <microwaver> Hello, does anyone have a good tutorials on thunar / menu working in Xcfe
[11:31] <edmoore> TheSheep: so if I add xubuntu-desktop ontop of ubuntu-server (with samba installed) should I be good or do i need to do something further?
[11:35] <TheSheep> edmoore: xubuntu-desktop has samba alsready, it's just thunar (the file manager) that cannot use it directly, and it's a common problem for users who want to use it togethr with windows machines
[11:36] <TheSheep> edmoore: if you install xubuntu-desktop on ubuntu-server, it's pretty much the same as if you installed xubuntu directly
[11:38] <edmoore> sure
[11:38] <edmoore> ok, well I guess there's a fix for thunar floating about on the web somewhere
[11:39] <edmoore> TheSheep: I assume it's also easy enough to get the system to boot without loading X by default?
[11:40] <TheSheep> edmoore: yes, just modify the /etc/rc.d links
[11:59] <lboken> hi every one   i need some help i try to configure a samba share folder (called music)so i can put all my music in one pc and ahve access to all the others and one is in windows xp. i see the server and all on my windows but when i try to login server/username (with the good password) it doesnt go in the login box comeback can some one help me  to find out what wrong?
[11:59] <lboken> thanks in advance
[13:46] <adamw9678> What bit of software should I use to open a bin file?
[13:47] <edmoore> to edit it or run it?
[13:47] <adamw9678> To run it. When I try to open it it opens in abiword?
[13:49] <edmoore> ./<name of file>
[13:49] <adamw9678> In the terminal?
[13:51] <edmoore> yeah
[13:51] <edmoore> once you're in the correct directory
[13:51] <adamw9678> sudo?
[13:52] <adamw9678> sorry I'm still learning how to use the terminal
[13:53] <TheSheep> usually you don't want to run all the programs with sudo
[13:53] <TheSheep> sudo is only for the things you want to allow modifying your system
[13:53] <adamw9678> the icon is on the desktop
[13:54] <TheSheep> adamw9678: open your home directory with the file manager, enter the Desktop directory, right-click on the empty space and select 'open terminal here'
[13:54] <TheSheep> adamw9678: you might need to add the 'x' file permission to that file (in file properties) to be able to run it
[13:56] <edmoore> sudo means Super User DO - so it allows you to do things with super user permissions - i.e. permission to do anything. It's quite powerful as a result, and you should only use it if you try to do something and get permission denied errors, or similar
[13:56] <edmoore> and you actually know that you want to do what you want to do
[13:56] <TheSheep> at least that's the theory :)
[13:57] <edmoore> :)
[13:57] <adamw9678> It has come back saying permission denied?
[13:57] <shane> anyone had any problems with keyboard failure?it is xubuntu hardy 8.04 on a laptop and the keys worked fine until a few days ago,the shift keys are the only ones that have disapeered,no response from them atall
[14:20] <JannoTT> !launchpad
[14:23] <JannoTT> Soo strange. When i surf the web it is soo slow. And ping in online games is 10000 but when i download something over http it comes with rs max free user speed. :/.
[14:24] <naxxtor> hmm, load balanced web proxy?
[14:24] <naxxtor> OR your ISP QoSes the heck out of anything but HTTP >_<
[14:25] <JannoTT> Dunno :P
[14:29] <rabby> hi
[14:29] <vinnl> Hey rabby
[14:29] <rabby> is there anyone who has a capi (avm isdn fritz!card) running within xubuntu?
[14:30] <rabby> it does not show any error, the driver runs, is loaded and everything looks fine. but it does not receive any data :(
[14:30] <rabby> capiinfo is full of zeroes, which is not very nice, i guess..?
[16:32] <MrNaz> what's the best music player for xubuntu? preferably one that doesnt require installing 20 only vaguely related libs
[16:32] <MrNaz> totem is ok, but it doesn't cut it for managing large playlists
[16:32] <MrNaz> or even playing them
[16:43] <TheSheep> MrNaz: I use mpd with Sonata, but you probably won't like it
[16:43] <TheSheep> MrNaz: many people like Exaile as it's similar to Amarok
[16:43] <TheSheep> maxamillion: QuodLibet is pretty nice too
[16:44] <TheSheep> maxamillion: sorry
[16:44] <TheSheep> MrNaz: that was for you too :)
[16:46] <MrNaz> heh
[16:46] <MrNaz> thanks
[16:47] <TheSheep> MrNaz: they are all pretty heavy, if you want something light, then go for BeepMediaPlayer or such, but it only has playlist like the old winamp
[16:50] <MrNaz> well
[16:50] <MrNaz> i have no problem with the old winamp
[16:50] <MrNaz> small, light, effective
[16:50] <MrNaz> they dont make software like they used to
[16:50] <TheSheep> MrNaz: then you will like bmp (beep media player)
[16:50] <TheSheep> MrNaz: it can even use winamp's skins
[16:51] <Myrtti> audacious!
[16:52] <TheSheep> ah, right, forgot bmp was discontinued :)
[16:53] <WARlrus> Hi, I've got a 256Mb RAM Dell laptop with 1.5Ghz processor, will I be better using Xubuntu or Ubuntu?
[16:54] <MrNaz> WARlrus probably xubuntu
[16:55] <MrNaz> its designed to be light & tasty
[16:55] <MrNaz> WARlrus that being said... i have a dual core 2.2ghz laptop w 2gb ram and i'm running xubuntu
[16:56] <WARlrus> Whats the main disadvantages of xubuntu then? What do I lose compared to Ubuntu?
[16:56] <TheSheep> WARlrus: it's not a question of hardware as much as your personal preference in this case
[16:56] <TheSheep> WARlrus: both will work
[16:56] <TheSheep> WARlrus: xubuntu uses a different set of applications and different desktop, file manager, panels, window manager, etc.
[16:57] <TheSheep> WARlrus: they are simplier, some people like it, some not
[16:57] <WARlrus> but if I'm not that bothered about pretty graphics, its got pretty much the same functionality?
[16:58] <TheSheep> WARlrus: it has less, for example the file manager doesn't support browsing network natively
[16:58] <TheSheep> (windows network)
[16:58] <TheSheep> WARlrus: of course, you can mix-and-match programs from all flavors of ubuntu
[16:59] <TheSheep> so you can install something from ubuntu, kubuntu, etc.
[17:00] <WARlrus> Okay, but it has all the same stuff in terms of wireless network etc?
[17:00] <TheSheep> WARlrus: yes, under the hood it's the same, pretty much
[17:01] <WARlrus> Awesome :-) Stuff like openoffice works as well? That's the main thing I'm after using...
[17:02] <TheSheep> it works, but it's not installed by default, you have to add it, it comes with abiword and gnumeric by default, which are faster and lighter, but less feature-rich
[17:03] <WARlrus> Do they work with .docx files do you know?
[17:03] <TheSheep> no idea, I'll kill the first person who sends me a docx file :)
[17:04] <WARlrus> Hehe... I use them a lot on my Windoze box at home/college, and just want a laptop that runs well and can use new format Office docs
[17:04] <WARlrus> even XP doesn't run on my laptop :P lol
[17:05] <TheSheep> might be a little difficult
[17:05] <WARlrus> How so?
[17:09] <TheSheep> WARlrus: as far as I know only the new office supports that format, that's their way of collecting the tax, you see
[17:09] <TheSheep> but there might be some support for it in openoffice already, no idea, you'd have to check
[17:10] <TheSheep> you can also just save in normal .doc or even (gasp) in something standard and portable, like opendocument format
[17:41] <JinKazama> hi all
[17:46] <JinKazama> I can't read in Pidgin the cyrillic characters. Somone any suggestion ?
[17:50] <Salix_> Hello! What does this mean?
[17:50] <Salix_> (npviewer.bin:7542): Gtk-WARNING **: /usr/lib/gtk-2.0/2.10.0/engines/libxfce.so: wrong ELF class: ELFCLASS64
[17:50] <Salix_> I get it if I try to use the toolbar of Firefox...
[17:51] <Salix_> (a few buttons are out of order and grey and the location field does not offer anything... :-( )
[17:51] <mikeblack> hello, i have my intel graphics driver installed, how do i know, which chipset i have, so i can write this in my xorg.conf ?
[17:53] <TheSheep> Salix_: it means you are trying to use a 64 bit library on a 32-bit system
[17:53] <TheSheep> mikeblack: lshw
[17:54] <Salix_> TheSheep: But I have AMD64... and if I log in as another user then there is no problem at all...!?!
[17:55] <mikeblack> ok, i'll try it
[17:55] <TheSheep> Salix_: maybe some firefox extension that runs in a 32-bit sandbox is trying to access that library?
[17:56] <Salix_> TheSheep: is it possible if one of the user has it the other one don't?
[17:56] <Salix_> TheSheep: is there a way to figure out which extension is it?
[17:57] <TheSheep> Salix_: well, extensions are installed per user, so yes
[17:57] <TheSheep> Salix_: I guess a trieal-and-error, unless there are some tools for debugging firefox
[17:58] <PsynoKhi0> JinKazama: have you activated proper language support?
[18:00] <JinKazama> I can't find in Pidgin language or encoding setings .
[18:00] <Salix_> TheSheep: I see exactly the same extensions installed in both cases. I start trial&error method.
[18:01] <PsynoKhi0> JinKazama: if you go to Applications > System > Language support
[18:01] <JinKazama> its OK for other applications. I have problem only Pidgin
[18:03] <TheSheep> Salix_: if you don't care what causes it, you can just delete the .mozilla directory (after possibly backing up the bookmarks)
[18:03] <TheSheep> Salix_: oh, do both users use the same gtk theme?
[18:05] <JinKazama> if someone send mi a message with ﻿cyrillic charecters it come something like that:  ﻿Âèæ äàëè ðàáîòè ðàäèîòî âå÷å.
[18:09] <zoredache> Selix_ , TheSheep  mozilla extensions can be installed system wide...  It isn't the default behavior though...
[18:09] <mikeblack> in lshw: configuration: driver=agpgart-intel module=intel_agp
[18:10] <mikeblack> is that the graphics card
[18:10] <mikeblack> and if yes, which one should i write in the xorg.conf
[18:10] <mikeblack> ?
[18:10] <TheSheep> zoredache: and such a system-wide extension couldn't possible cause different behaviors for different users, right?
[18:10] <mikeblack> intel_agp or agpgart-intel?
[18:12] <zoredache> TheSheep: it shouldn't...
[18:12] <TheSheep> mikeblack: no, the graphics card is something like: product: Mobile GM965/GL960 Integrated Graphics Controller
[18:13] <TheSheep> mikeblack: and ubuntu detects which driver to use automagically
[18:14] <mikeblack> but i must write this in xorg.conf
[18:14] <mikeblack> or not?
[18:14] <TheSheep> mikeblack: it should already be there upon install, you don't have to change anything
[18:15] <mikeblack> ok, thx
[18:17] <mikeblack> stop
[18:17] <mikeblack> but in my xorg.conf under Device
[18:17] <mikeblack> there is only "Identifier"
[18:17] <mikeblack> no "driver"
[18:17] <mikeblack> or sth
[18:18] <TheSheep> mikeblack: does it work?
[18:19] <mikeblack> no, actually not
[18:19] <TheSheep> mikeblack: does it display you a configuration dialog?
[18:19] <TheSheep> (was it working before you started editing xorg.conf?)
[18:20] <mikeblack> i did not edit it
[18:20] <mikeblack> i opened it
[18:20] <mikeblack> i read it
[18:20] <mikeblack> ...
[18:20] <mikeblack> =)
[18:20] <TheSheep> mikeblack: so it was like that right after install already?
[18:20] <mikeblack> yes
[18:20] <TheSheep> mikeblack: a perfectly normla, standard install from the cd?
[18:20] <TheSheep> normal
[18:20] <mikeblack> yes
[18:21] <TheSheep> argh, then we have a bug
[18:21] <TheSheep> mikeblack: and when you try to start X, what happens exactly?
[18:21] <TheSheep> mikeblack: for example. when you run 'sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart'
[18:21] <mikeblack> the x server starts
[18:22] <mikeblack> everthing is normal
[18:22] <TheSheep> that's good :)
[18:23] <mikeblack> yes ^^
[18:24] <mikeblack> but i want to install the graphics driver
[18:24] <mikeblack> but
[18:24] <TheSheep> mikeblack: it's installed already, otherwise your computer would be unable to display graphics
[18:24] <mikeblack> it was already installed in synaptic
[18:24] <mikeblack> yeah
[18:25] <mikeblack> but for games, ...
[18:25] <mikeblack> =)
[18:25] <mikeblack> are they working?
[18:25] <mikeblack> already
[18:25] <mikeblack> ?
[18:26] <mikeblack> sry for my bad language
[18:26] <TheSheep> it should be using either Intel or i810 driver, I guess, you can check/set it in 'sudo displayconfig-gtk', but be careful, you can break it
[18:26] <mikeblack> but i'm from germany
[18:26] <mikeblack> yes
[18:26] <TheSheep> why don't you just try some game that uses 3d?
[18:26] <mikeblack> k
[18:27] <TheSheep> planetpenguin-racer for example :P
[18:42] <mikeblack> ok, it works ^^
[18:42] <mikeblack> i'm leaving now
[18:43] <mikeblack> cu
[19:01] <seek3r> hello. I have a question about xubuntu and package compatibility, if anyone cares to answer it.
[19:01] <zoredache> no need to ask if you can ask.  Just ask your question... :)
[19:01] <totalwormage> ask it
[19:01] <totalwormage> :]
[19:01]  * totalwormage hifives zoredache 
[19:02] <seek3r> okay, what I wanted to know was if I can install a package intended for etch debian on it. I belive it is xubuntu 7.04 that I will be using
[19:02] <seek3r> Or would I be better off compiling the application from source?
[19:02] <TheSheep> seek3r: depends on the package
[19:02] <seek3r> :)
[19:02] <zoredache> seek3r: it is possible... but it would be vety dependant on the application
[19:03] <seek3r> ummmm. okay. its aircrack-ng. :)
[19:03] <TheSheep> seek3r: lowl-level stuff, close to the kernel will probably not work
[19:03] <zoredache> seek3r: you could get the source for the etch package and just rebuild a new package
[19:03] <seek3r> I cant get it from the usual repositorry, as I do not have network access on the xubuntu machine
[19:04] <seek3r> hmmmmmmmm.
[19:04] <TheSheep> seek3r: http://packages.ubuntu.com/
[19:04] <seek3r> source it is, then, I guess. was hoping I could use the .deb package, tho. bummer.
[19:04] <seek3r> can I download the package from there using a windows machine, then copy it over?
[19:05] <seek3r> I have network acces with an xp box.
[19:05] <TheSheep> seek3r: yes
[19:05] <Kefga_X> Is there a way to trigger a program to run when my laptop switches to battery power?
[19:06] <seek3r> ah. very nice indeed.
[19:09] <TheSheep> Kefga_X: it is possible in general, but I don't know any details
[19:09] <seek3r> nother question. downloading packages from the repository website, will it resove the dependencies for me, or do i need to work that out on my own.?
[19:09] <TheSheep> seek3r: the latter
[19:09] <Kefga_X> TheSheep: hmm, thanks anways, back to google!
[19:09] <seek3r> thought so, but I had to ask. thanks much. :)
[19:09] <zoredache> the packages site will tell you what you need though
[19:09] <TheSheep> seek3r: there is some program that can resolve deps and prepare a zip for you, but it needs another linux I think
[19:10] <TheSheep> get-zip or something
[19:10] <TheSheep> apt-zip
[19:10] <seek3r> yah. well, the website gave me a list of dependent packages, I will just download them all and hope they had the page right. :)
[19:11] <seek3r> using a windoze box right now. no linux available at the moment. :(
[19:11] <TheSheep> seek3r: the deps can have their deps in turn...
[19:11] <zoredache> you could always try booting the livecd on your xp desktop or setting up wubi or something...
[19:11] <seek3r> oh yeh, I know. dependency hell ..... been there, done that. :(
[19:12] <seek3r> yeah, but I dont have a live disc handy, only the alternate install. :(
[19:12] <seek3r> didnt wanna have to download and burn it again. :(
[19:13] <seek3r> and we are talking laptop city here, no desktops at all. :)
[19:13] <seek3r> I have several of them, each one kind of kitted out for a diffrent "mission", as it were. :)
[19:14] <seek3r> I kind of wanted xubuntu for the one, because its a little lower end machine.
[19:17] <seek3r> one more stupid question. will the i386 versions of things run on an amd chip? I belive so, but wanted to make sure.
[19:17] <zoredache> yes
[19:18] <seek3r> thought they might. I guess the amd version is just optimized code? not really worried about maximum performance for my purposes, just that it functions.
[19:19] <seek3r> I would assume that it is core system and packages, as long as they all match, right?
[19:20] <TheSheep> it won't allow you to install package from work architecture
[19:20] <seek3r> okay. not a problem there. :)
[19:24] <Kefga_X> Is there an easy way to edit the Applications menu in Xubuntu?
[19:35] <PsynoKhi0> Kefga_X: you mean with a GUI tool rather than manually as described here? http://wiki.xfce.org/howto/customize-menu
[19:35] <Kefga_X> PsynoKhi0: yes
[19:39] <PsynoKhi0> http://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?pid=359516 this is the closest I could find... it's about making the menu editor access your standard Application entries
[19:39] <PsynoKhi0> still gotta get your hands dirty :)
[19:45] <Kefga_X> PsynoKhi0: eh, you can't win them all, thanks though
[19:50] <LetsGo67> I cannot play sound, because my sound device is being used, how can I find out what is using it?
[19:52] <PsynoKhi0> Kefga_X: np... shame though, it's easy as pie in GNOME
[19:55] <TheSheep> LetsGo67: try: lsof /dev/dsp
[19:55] <TheSheep> LetsGo67: or 'lsof  | grep snd'
[19:58] <LetsGo67> xfce-mcs-, xfce4-mix, firefox, firefox, firefox, and firefox
[19:58] <TheSheep> my bet would be that it's either firefox, firefox, firefox or firefox
[19:58] <LetsGo67> :D
[19:59] <LetsGo67> I can't hear anything, TheSheep.
[19:59] <LetsGo67> Now I killed Firefox.
[20:00] <LetsGo67> TheSheep: works now, thanks for your help!
[20:00] <LetsGo67> ttyl
[21:01] <WARlrus> Hi, I'm having trouble installing xubuntu - the installer gets to 15% and then the computer locks up :S
[21:03] <vinnl> WARlrus, you mean you can't move the cursor or it just stops installing?
[21:03] <WARlrus> Can't move the cursor
[21:04] <vinnl> Hmm, then I wouldn't know what the problem is :(
[21:04] <vinnl> Do you have enough RAM?
[21:04] <WARlrus> 256Mb
[21:04] <vinnl> That should work
[21:04] <vinnl> What you could do is try installing with the Alternate CD
[21:04] <WARlrus> Where can I get that?
[21:05] <vinnl> The same place you downloaded the Desktop CD
[21:06] <WARlrus> Thanks :)
[21:06] <WARlrus> Whats different about the alternate CD?
[21:09] <vinnl> It's not graphical
[21:09] <vinnl> It might look a little scary but it's in essence the same
[21:09] <WARlrus> Ah okay :)
[21:09] <vinnl> :)
[21:11] <WARlrus> My laptop is very slow when running the first stages of the installer
[21:12] <WARlrus> may that have anything to do with it?
[21:12] <vinnl> Might be, the alternate installer is lighter on resources so if that's the problem it could solve it :)
[21:12] <WARlrus> Excellent, now just have to wait 30 mins for it to download :'(
[21:13] <vinnl> I'm feeling your pain ;-)
[21:13] <WARlrus> I get the feeling this is going to be a long night :-D lol
[21:13] <vinnl> :P
[21:14] <vinnl> At least we're close in timezones then :P
[21:15] <WARlrus> Where abouts are you?
[21:15] <vinnl> The Netherlands
[21:15] <WARlrus> I'm UK :)
[21:15] <WARlrus> and the installers just done the same thing again... lol
[21:15] <vinnl> Never give up, eh? :P
[21:15] <WARlrus> Yeah -.-
[21:38] <jarnos> I wonder why USB-powered external hdd remains spinning after I shut down computer?
[21:40] <zoredache> some usb drives never spin down
[21:41] <jarnos> zoredache: If I remember right, the same drive did spin down when connected to another computer.
[21:52] <jarnos> zoredache: Additionally, this drive spins down by delay, but I am not sure it works with the problematic computer.
[22:57] <WARlrus> Hi :) I'm still having trouble with the xubuntu install. I'm running the alternative installer now, and it is failing on "Select and install software". is this a step I can skip and then come to once the system is up and running?
[23:00] <zoredache> it would kinda depend on how much it was able to successfully install
[23:03] <WARlrus> Well I can skip to the next step
[23:03] <WARlrus> I think...
[23:03] <WARlrus> what could be causing that error?
[23:04] <zoredache> bad download, or bad burn to the cd are the most likely causes
[23:04] <zoredache> did you do a disk verify?
[23:04] <WARlrus> Righty, I'll re-burn the CD then :)
[23:04] <WARlrus> No, good idea lol
[23:04] <zoredache> one of the boot options is to verify the disk
[23:05] <WARlrus> Running that now, we'll see what that throws up
[23:11] <WARlrus> Ahhh! Corrupted CD
[23:11] <WARlrus> right, lets burn a new one
[23:11] <zoredache> you might try burning slower... or maybe faster... or something
[23:12] <zoredache> since the cd is corrupt you might want to double check the md5 of the iso you downloaded just to be sure you aren't starting with a bad download
[23:12] <zoredache> !md5
[23:14] <WARlrus> Cheers :) I've done MD5 has testing before, just need to find the supposed hash of the download
[23:15] <WARlrus> Yeah, checksums are the same :) Re-burning it is!