[00:01] <Riddell> any volunteers to take charge of next week's alpha?
[02:20] <jtechidna> Hmm, what color are we using for Done in the Todo list?
[02:23] <jtechidna> Currently on the Kickoff changes, we have all the apps we wanted as favorites
[02:23] <jtechidna> and I've just committed a fix so that changing tabs requires a click
[02:23] <jtechidna> I only see the ability to show the names of the applications in KMenu, not kickoff
[02:24] <jtechidna> and I assume that changing the back arrow to breadcrumbs would take some work. You might want to look at Lancelot if you want something like that
[02:28] <yuriy> jtechidna: green? I guess nothing's done yet hence the question?
[02:28] <yuriy> actually, let's go for lightgreen, same as for hug days
[02:29] <jtechidna> ok
[02:35] <jtechidna> wiki is being slooow
[03:27] <vorian> nixternal_: yes, we do!
[03:38] <vorian> nixternal_: any ideas on where we might be able to get some kubuntu cd's?
[03:38]  * vorian looks around
[05:20] <nixternal_> vorian: ask JR about that...I am in contact about getting a KDE event box as well
[05:21]  * nixternal_ beds
[05:21] <nixternal_> g'nite
[06:03] <xevious-> where could i download the version upgrade tool manually (to upgrade 7.10 to 8.04)? my system just crashed midway through an upgrade and rebooted and the upgrade tool was removed from /tmp
[06:04] <xevious-> i think it'll continue fine if i can get that upgrade tool
[06:18] <xevious-> sorry i'll do my own tech support
[09:01] <Nightrose> Riddell: no aliens? OMG ;-)
[09:01]  * Nightrose will watch it anyway though
[09:59] <Tonio__> Riddell: hey
[10:00] <Tonio__> Riddell: is kde4 running desktop files in /etc/xdg/autostart ?
[10:00] <Tonio__> Riddell: that's for the kdebluetooth autostart for gnome/xfce
[10:01] <gnomefreak> where is desktop config in kde4 in intrepid?
[10:01] <gnomefreak> i cant find it :(
[10:01] <Tonio__> gnomefreak desktop config ?
[10:01] <Tonio__> gnomefreak: is systemsettings/desktop ?
[10:02] <gnomefreak> Tonio__: i think so. let me check with him again to make sure
[10:02] <gnomefreak> mattik > gnomefreak: I think you use gnome :) But do you  remeber where is file where I have to change Desktop  to Työpöytä. It's under .kde maybe?
[10:03] <gnomefreak> i cant find it in ~/.kde  or ~/.kde4
[10:03] <gnomefreak> kde4 is pretty much empty for some reason
[10:04] <Tonio_> to change the folder corresponding to your desktop file ?
[10:04] <Tonio_> desktop folder, sorry ?
[10:04] <Tonio_> that was previously in kcontrol/default dirs
[10:05] <Tonio_> I don't know if that still exists
[10:05] <Tonio_> gnomefreak: got it :)
[10:05] <Jucato> System Settings -> About Me -> Paths
[10:05] <Tonio_> systemsettings/about me
[10:05] <Tonio_> arf
[10:05] <Jucato> :P
[10:06] <gnomefreak> thanks ;) im waiting for his responce
[10:06]  * gnomefreak cant type
[10:07] <Tonio_> Jucato: that shouldn't feet in "about me" to be honnest
[10:07] <Jucato> Tonio_: KDE 4 was just following Kubuntu's lead :)
[10:07] <Tonio_> Jucato: btw, how to change name, email etc... ? I can't see that in "about me"
[10:07] <Jucato> About Me -> Password & User Account ?
[10:09] <Tonio_> Jucato: I don't have that with intrepid
[10:09] <Tonio_> about me leads to default path directly
[10:09] <Jucato> uh oh
[10:09] <Tonio_> Jucato: do you have intrepid ?
[10:10] <Tonio_> that can be a bug :)
[10:10] <Jucato> could be. I'll check
[10:10] <Tonio_> k
[10:10]  * Jucato was just doing from memor y:P
[10:14] <Riddell> Tonio_: it should use autostart
[10:15] <Jucato> Tonio_: I have it here
[10:15] <Jucato> Tonio_: can you try "kcmshell4 kcm_useraccount"?
[10:17] <Tonio_> Riddell: yep, but in /usr/share or /etc/xdg ?
[10:17] <Tonio_> Riddell: I remember we patched kde3 for this
[10:17] <Tonio_> Riddell: kdebluetooth kde4 uploaded
[10:18] <Tonio_> Jucato: desktop file not found
[10:18] <Tonio_> Jucato: the file is in the kdepasswd package
[10:18] <Tonio_> Riddell: shoudln't we install that one by default ?
[10:19] <gnomefreak> he said thanks it was what he was looking for
[10:19] <Riddell> Tonio_: either
[10:19] <Tonio_> Riddell: ok
[10:20] <Tonio_> Riddell: shouldn't jubuntu-desktop install kdepasswd ?
[10:20] <Tonio_> Riddell: beeing able to change my settings (name, email...) is important imho
[10:20] <Jucato> mine's installed
[10:20] <Jucato> although.. my upgrade from hardy to intrepid was less than... smooth :)
[10:21] <Riddell> Tonio_: apt-cache rdepends suggets that it does
[10:22] <Tonio_> hum......
[10:22] <Tonio_> argh.....amarok-kde4 removed my kubuntu-desktop.....
[10:23] <Tonio_> Riddell: then maybe kubuntu-desktop should just recommend amarok-kde3 :)
[10:23] <Tonio_> Riddell: any opinion on this ?
[10:23] <Riddell> Tonio_: it does
[10:24] <Tonio_> hum then I don't understand why my kubuntu-desktop has gone....
[10:24] <Tonio_> Riddell: sorry for the stupid question then ;)
[10:24] <Riddell> installing amarok-kde4 doesn't remove kubuntu-desktop here
[10:25] <Tonio_> weird.... well I got my all dpkg broken 2 days ago, that may explain :)
[10:25] <Tonio_> I had to do a :
[10:25] <Tonio_> dpkg -l | cut -d" " -f3 | sudo xargs apt-get -y --force-all --reinstall
[10:26] <Tonio_> Riddell: the kind of command that frightens quite a bit :)
[10:27] <Tonio_> Riddell: fyi, kdebluetooth4 currently doesn't support the bluetooth:/ protocol
[10:28] <Tonio_> Riddell: btw since we don't have konqueror-kde3, that didn't either work with intrepid and the old kdebluetooth
[10:28] <Tonio_> Riddell: so I replaced the package directly, since all other features are there and do work
[10:28] <Jucato> Tonio_: I don't think kdeblue4 has bluetooth:/ implemented yet
[10:29] <Tonio_> Jucato: it doesn't
[10:29] <Tonio_> Jucato: but that was broken with kdebluetooth-kde3 and konqueror-kde4 btw :)
[10:29] <Tonio_> Jucato: so going with the kde4 version will not break any feature
[10:29] <Jucato> Tonio_: yeah, I don't think you can use kde3 kioslaves in konqueror4 :)
[10:30] <Tonio_> Jucato: so let's go with kbluetooth4
[10:34] <Riddell> Tonio_: groovy
[10:35] <Tonio_> Riddell: uploaded, should be in the archives today
[10:35] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'll check the svn regularly to make sure we have the bluetooth ioslave ready for the release
[10:44] <Riddell> mornfall: comment for you http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/3597#comment-7921
[10:45] <mornfall> No, it's not done automatically yet. But we, as of alpha6, keep the information tidy.
[10:57] <devfil> Riddell: there?
[10:58] <Riddell> hi devfil
[10:58] <devfil> Riddell: can you upload http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/35048/ please?
[11:00] <mornfall> It's high time to get breakfast. I've been hacking on darcs for 9 hours I guess.
[11:11] <gnomefreak> how do you add search in konq?
[11:11] <gnomefreak> s/search/web search
[11:12] <Riddell> devfil: excellent, thanks
[11:12] <Riddell> devfil: I think smarter already did that but he failed to push it to the branch, so your win :)
[11:13] <devfil> Riddell: ;)
[11:36] <vorian> gnomefreak: install kong-plugins
[11:36] <gnomefreak> i did thanks
[11:36] <vorian> :)
[11:37] <vorian> actually, it would be konq
[11:37]  * vorian looks at kong
[11:37] <vorian> morning anyhow
[14:59] <Tonio_> Riddell: http://wiki.mozilla.org/User:Pjohnsen/MozillaQtBuild
[14:59] <Tonio_> Riddell: a friend of mine, mozilla developper, told me that's supposed to be stable and working...
[14:59] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'm testing
[15:00] <Riddell> Tonio_: JontheEchidna was going to try that yesterday
[15:00] <Tonio_> Riddell: hehe, okay
[15:00] <JontheEchidna> I did too
[15:00] <JontheEchidna> ^_^
[15:00] <yuriy> and?
[15:01] <JontheEchidna> It needs a lot of work
[15:01] <Riddell> we want screenshots
[15:01] <JontheEchidna> ok :P
[15:01] <JontheEchidna> http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c355/Woremar/ffqt.jpg
[15:01] <JontheEchidna> default theme has no icons for back/forward/home buttons
[15:01] <JontheEchidna> tabs look a bit messed up too
[15:02] <yuriy> those can be gotten from apachelogger's theme
[15:02] <JontheEchidna> yeah
[15:02] <JontheEchidna> that's what I ended up doing
[15:02] <Riddell> that seems to work
[15:02] <JontheEchidna> but typing in the search box at addons.mozilla.org causes a crash :P
[15:03] <Riddell> details
[15:03] <JontheEchidna> I reported it at https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=449512
[15:04] <JontheEchidna> Oh, and the only way to make things like the "File" or "Edit" menu go away is to select something from the menu
[15:04] <JontheEchidna> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=449575
[15:04] <JontheEchidna> plus it won't compile with gcc 4.3.1
[15:05] <JontheEchidna> but on the plus side
[15:05] <JontheEchidna> Qt widgets in webpages look nice
[15:05] <Tonio_> well if it is just a matter of theme, that's easilly fixable
[15:06] <JontheEchidna> and it uses the Qt open file dialog
[15:06] <JontheEchidna> ^_^
[15:06] <JontheEchidna> KDE's is better, but it's a start
[15:07] <yuriy> ah, so still no decent open with application dialog then?
[15:08] <JontheEchidna> eh, Qt's is tolerable
[15:08] <JontheEchidna> it doesn't do all that crap that makes me mad at gtk's
[15:09] <JontheEchidna> hopefully it gets in to shape for Firefox 3.1
[15:12] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: how do you generate the configure file ?
[15:12] <nixternal> mornin'
[15:12] <JontheEchidna> you need a ~/.mozconfig file
[15:12] <JontheEchidna> and autotools123
[15:13] <JontheEchidna> be warned that it fails to compile with gcc 4.3
[15:13] <JontheEchidna> or maybe it was autoconf123 or something...
[15:14] <JontheEchidna> adept to the rescue here.
[15:15] <JontheEchidna> autoconf2.13
[15:15] <yuriy> KDE4 kdebluetooth :O
[15:15] <yuriy> yes!
[15:15] <yuriy> now to only get rid of knm...
[15:17] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: I get a hudge bunch of issues with any autoconf version
[15:17] <JontheEchidna> oh
[15:17] <JontheEchidna> and after you install autoconf2.13
[15:17] <JontheEchidna> do a make -f client.mk
[15:17] <apachelogger> yuriy: my theme is based on the offical theme, so I guess it would happen eitherway ;-)
[15:19] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: /home/tonio/Bureau/temp/mozilla-qt/configure: 791: Syntax error: word unexpected (expecting ")")
[15:19] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: did you saw that one ?
[15:19] <JontheEchidna> nope
[15:19] <Tonio_> hum....... intrepid ?
[15:20] <JontheEchidna> yes
[15:21] <Tonio_> ***BUG in Autoconf--please report*** AC_ARG_VAR
[15:22] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: I have a bunch of issues like that one when performing the autoconf
[15:22] <JontheEchidna> o.o
[15:22] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: which mozconfig did you use ?
[15:22] <JontheEchidna> I copied an pasted mine from a wiki page, let me see if I can find it
[15:23] <Tonio_> http://wiki.mozilla.org/User:Pjohnsen/MozillaQtBuild
[15:23] <Tonio_> I suspect that one ?
[15:23] <JontheEchidna> yes
[15:23] <Tonio_> well then I must say I don't understanf
[15:23] <Tonio_> a friend of mine has the exact same issue...
[15:25]  * nixternal kicks vorian in the shin for not putting digikam-kde4 into the PPA for us Hardy users
[15:42] <apachelogger> it is hot hot hot
[15:43] <Riddell> good, I'm wanting a nice sunny week for akademy
[15:43] <Riddell> spose I should look up what time I'm leaving at some point
[15:44] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: did you have to manually link gcc to gcc-4.2 ?
[15:44] <JontheEchidna> I just used the binary
[15:44] <JontheEchidna> <.<
[15:45]  * apachelogger should organize the travel to froscon
[15:48] <Tonio_> k
[15:48] <JontheEchidna> Oh and btw, adept3 doesn't work when launched with kdesudo
[15:48] <nixternal> vorian: you need to add cmake to the depends on digikam-kde4
[15:49] <apachelogger> Riddell: btw, gstreamer backend still doesn't start
[15:49] <apachelogger> ...phonon's that is ;-)
[15:50] <Riddell> apachelogger: doesn't start?
[15:51] <apachelogger> Riddell: well, phonon complains about not being able to access the device
[15:52] <apachelogger> and throws Object::connect: No such signal Phonon::Gstreamer::MediaObject::availableSubtitlesChanged()
[15:52] <apachelogger> Object::connect: No such signal Phonon::Gstreamer::MediaObject::availableAudioChannelsChanged()
[15:52] <apachelogger> to stdin
[15:52] <Riddell> apachelogger: does the xine backend work better?
[15:52] <apachelogger> stdout even
[15:52] <apachelogger> Riddell: yes
[15:52] <apachelogger> where better is - it works
[15:52] <Riddell> sound doesn't seem to work for me at all
[15:52] <Riddell> apachelogger: guess we should change to that then, makes it consistent with amarok1 too
[15:53] <apachelogger> yes
[15:53] <Riddell> apachelogger: in #kde-devel I was discussing with eean about how to get video working with compositing on
[15:53] <Riddell> we need to change phonon-xine to use x11 rather than xv I believe
[15:53] <apachelogger> shouldn't xine autodetect?
[15:54]  * apachelogger doesn't remember issues with video and compositing
[15:54] <Riddell> dunno
[15:55] <apachelogger> Riddell: works here
[15:55] <apachelogger> on intel
[15:56] <Riddell> apachelogger: with xine?
[15:56] <apachelogger> yes
[15:58] <Riddell> so it does
[15:58] <Riddell> well that settles is, out with gstreamer!
[15:58] <apachelogger> fedora 10 doesn't work that well in vbox ... first time, since I left suse, that I see a kernel panic ;-)
[16:17] <apachelogger> hm
[16:17] <apachelogger> Riddell: I think xine's colors might be a bit screwed up
[16:20] <Riddell> xine or phonon-xine?
[16:22] <nixternal> http://www.flickr.com/photos/nixternal/sets/72157606595255611/ <- pictures of the tornado damange by my house
[16:26] <apachelogger> Riddell: phonon-xine actually
[16:26] <apachelogger> xine is using xshm and shows the colors right
[16:26] <apachelogger> phonon-xine however messes with the colors
[16:26] <apachelogger> or maybe it's dragonplayer
[16:26]  * apachelogger checks
[16:27] <apachelogger> seems to be phonon
[16:27] <apachelogger> very strange though
[16:28] <apachelogger> it definitely worked at some point
[16:37] <apachelogger> http://aplg.kollide.net/screencasts/mountmanager.ogv
[16:37] <apachelogger> Tonio_: ^
[16:41] <Riddell> nixternal: breezy
[16:41] <Serega__> hey guys
[16:41] <Riddell> apachelogger: what's that?
[16:41] <Riddell> hi Serega__
[16:41] <nixternal> Riddell: just a bit :)
[16:42] <Serega__> after recent update I got weird keyboard behavior, does anybody know something about this issue? :)
[16:42] <Serega__> arrow keys don't work
[16:43] <apachelogger> Riddell: a qt based fstab manager
[16:43] <apachelogger> maybe we can get the upstream author to make it KDE and write a kcm
[16:44] <Riddell> apachelogger: that would be good
[16:46] <JontheEchidna> brb, rebooting
[16:46] <Tonio_> apachelogger: wat do you use to play this ?
[16:47] <Tonio_> apachelogger: is it http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php/MountManager?content=76502 ?
[16:49] <apachelogger> Tonio_: yes
[16:49] <Tonio_> apachelogger: ok
[16:49] <apachelogger> Tonio_: any ogg capable player
[16:49] <Tonio_> apachelogger: dragonplayer fails to play it :)
[16:49] <apachelogger> works here :P
[16:49] <Tonio_> hu ?
[16:50] <apachelogger> Tonio_: just download and rename to .ogg
[16:50] <apachelogger> then it should work for sure
[16:50]  * apachelogger needs to change the desktop file
[16:51] <Tonio_> apachelogger: doesn't ;)
[16:51] <apachelogger> ohhh
[16:51] <apachelogger> Tonio_: intrepid?
[16:51] <Tonio_> apachelogger: yes, with phonon-xine backend
[16:51] <apachelogger> are you sure it's xine?
[16:52] <Tonio_> apachelogger: how to ?
[16:52] <apachelogger> check in systemsettings
[16:52] <Tonio_> apachelogger: can't find anything related to phonon in systemsettings
[16:52] <Tonio_> where ?
[16:52] <apachelogger> even devs have the issue
[16:52] <apachelogger> Tonio_: at the top there is a searchbar :P
[16:53] <apachelogger> once you wrote "phon" the sound icon is left over
[16:53] <apachelogger> and that is where phonon gets configured ;-)
[16:53] <Tonio_> so stupid.......... why "sound ?
[16:53] <apachelogger> because it is for sound primarily I guess
[16:53] <Tonio_> apachelogger: it is xine
[16:54] <Tonio_> apachelogger: can be due to my video driver btw
[16:54] <Tonio_> I use the opensource radeon
[16:54] <apachelogger> probably that
[16:54] <apachelogger> omg
[16:54] <apachelogger> tere is a gigantic fly
[16:54] <apachelogger> and when I say gigantic, I really mean gigantic
[16:54] <apachelogger> and ugly
[16:54]  * apachelogger shudders
[16:55] <mornfall> apachelogger: Gigantic? 10cm? :P
[16:55] <apachelogger> at least
[16:55] <mornfall> Wee.
[16:55]  * apachelogger doesn't even want to look at it
[16:55] <mornfall> Run!
[16:55] <apachelogger> but it is eating the table, so...
[16:55] <mornfall> Run for life!
[16:55]  * apachelogger gets his sonic screwdriver
[16:55] <apachelogger> take that!
[16:56] <apachelogger> waaaah
[16:56] <apachelogger> now it's eating my arm
[16:56]  * apachelogger runs
[16:57] <mornfall> : - )
[16:57] <apachelogger> that was pretty awful :S
[16:57] <mornfall> apachelogger: Have you tested Adept yet?
[16:58] <apachelogger> mornfall: more like - "took a look at it"
[16:58] <mornfall> Maybe the fly was a warning.
[16:58] <mornfall> You should, really. ; - )
[16:58] <Tonio_> brb...
[16:58] <apachelogger> will do
[16:58] <apachelogger> apparently time for dinner now
[16:58] <mornfall> Enjoy.
[16:58] <apachelogger> thx
[16:58]  * apachelogger throws the laptop away
[16:58] <mornfall> Hopefully it's fly-free.
[17:07]  * Serega searches for anybody who experienced disabled arrow keys
[17:08] <yuriy> me!
[17:08] <yuriy> seems to be fixed now though after a reboot
[17:08] <JontheEchidna> works fine here
[17:09] <yuriy> Serega: it was interacting weirdly with keyboard layouts, but works now after updating last night and rebooting
[17:15] <Serega> yuriy: heh, interesting, I'm up to date now and have rebooted twice :) please point me where to dig for the roots of problem if you know
[17:19] <yuriy> sorry, no ideas, I was glad it solved itself
[17:19] <yuriy> Serega: however if you unplug the keyboard and plug it back in, arrow keys work, but changing keyboard layouts does not
[17:20] <yuriy> Serega: then if you apply any changes in the keyboard layouts config, that works but arrow keys don't
[17:20] <yuriy> рад что теперь не надо выклучать клавиатуру что-бы так пичатать
[17:22] <yuriy> Serega: (так.. опять нужно писать учиться)
[17:24] <Riddell> testers wanted http://www.kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/system-config-printer-kde_0.10_all.deb
[17:27] <JontheEchidna> oh hey, I never reconfig'd the printer when I installed intrepid
[17:28] <JontheEchidna> this would be a good time to do it
[17:29] <JontheEchidna> configured the printer ok
[17:29] <JontheEchidna> printing the testpage
[17:30] <JontheEchidna> btw, <3 the new gdebi
[17:30] <Riddell> yay
[17:31] <JontheEchidna> I wonder how windows printer sharing will work ...
[17:31] <Riddell> you can add an smb printer if you know the URL (no browsing yet)
[17:32] <Riddell> ipp printers should just show up to cups
[17:44] <digistyl3> anyone knows where are systemsettings modules installed?
[17:47] <Riddell> /usr/lib/kde4/
[17:51] <Serega__> yuriy: lol, thanks :)
[17:51] <Serega__> damn... are that netsplits?
[17:53] <yuriy> Serega: no, I think it's just you
[17:54] <Serega> yuriy: do you mean intermittent connection on my side?
[17:54] <yuriy> yeah
[17:55] <Serega> doh!
[17:55] <Serega> :)
[17:56] <digistyl3> Riddell: thanks, but i'm looking for a kde3 module, disk & filesystems
[17:56] <Riddell> digistyl3: dpkg -L kde-guidance
[17:57] <digistyl3> thank, didn't know it had to start with "kcm_" :)
[18:12] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: did it do anything?
[18:12] <JontheEchidna> oh, I couldn't find the printer
[18:14] <Riddell> what you need is one of these nifty printer auto-install features :)
[18:14] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: well does it run at least?
[18:15] <JontheEchidna> does what run?
[18:15] <Riddell> system-config-printer-kde
[18:15] <JontheEchidna> oh, yeah it does
[18:15] <Riddell> good good
[18:15] <JontheEchidna> I used it to configure my local printer
[18:15] <yuriy> JontheEchidna: a printer is a pretty big object to lose
[18:15] <JontheEchidna> :P
[18:16] <JontheEchidna> I'm hacking on it to give the apply and revert buttons icons
[18:17] <JontheEchidna> once s-c-p-kde is "done" it'd nice to get a pykde port too...
[18:17] <Riddell> I was actually thinking of doing that tonight
[18:17] <Riddell> but now I'm distracted by network-manager breaking
[19:03] <JontheEchidna> heh, plugins don't work too well with firefox-qt
[19:43] <Serega> wow, kwin eats much CPU even on idle input :-\
[19:45] <yuriy> plasma in 4.1 is still eating memory :-\
[19:46] <JontheEchidna> memleak?
[19:46] <yuriy> probably, though not as bad as in 4.0 I think
[19:46] <yuriy> and kwin is using a lot of CPU now too, that didn't happen before
[19:47] <yuriy> Xorg eating memory like crazy as usual
[19:47] <yuriy> and it's all probably nvidia bugs
[19:47] <Serega> heh, I have leaving my KDE4.1 desktop for days and it was quite stable at the finish
[19:48] <Serega> maybe due to low quantity of plasma widgets
[19:48] <yuriy> I don't have anything other than a clock and the default things on the panel, and the lock/log out widget
[19:49] <Serega> 2 more than me :)
[19:51] <JontheEchidna> according to ksysguard plasma is taking 7.8 MB memory and 18 MB shared memory
[19:51] <Serega> damn... I'm totally confused: arrow keys work in twm as well for xterm and konsole, in KDE4.1 neither for konsole nor xterm, but xev utility SHOWS keypresses
[20:04] <jcastro> apachelogger: around?
[21:08] <lontra> i'm sorry for posting this in two places but i think that place may be the more appropriate channel so ... will it be supported to upgrade from 8.04 to 8.10 with the kde 4.1 packages from the PPA?
[21:14] <JontheEchidna> The transition should go smoothly
[21:15] <JontheEchidna> since the packages have the same names as those in the official hardy repos
[21:16] <yuriy> JontheEchidna: I think that'll take some work... right now I'm pretty sure you have to remove all hardy kde4 packages to upgrade
[21:16] <vorian> hmmm
[21:16] <JontheEchidna> well it shouldn't be different than using the 4.0.x packages from hardy or hardy backports
[21:17] <vorian> more transitional packages neede will be
[21:19] <lontra> so ultimately my best bet for the smoothest transition possible would be to use the kde3 packages?
[21:22] <ScottK> That's the official upgrade patch, so my guess would be yes.
[21:22] <lontra> ScottK: thanks ... i can wait till october for kde4 ;)
[21:36] <\sh> Riddell: I just tested qbzr (intrepid) on hardy with kde4.1 ppa .. works...uploaded to the ppa just now
[21:38] <Riddell> \sh: why not test for backports?
[21:43] <ScottK> Riddell: I really would like to se the entire thing moved to backports.
[21:43] <ScottK> The whole unsigned repository + DNS cache poisoning thing gives me the willies.
[21:48] <JontheEchidna> http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c355/Woremar/lancelot.jpg
[21:49] <JontheEchidna> if revu was working....
[21:49] <JontheEchidna> for me
[21:49] <JontheEchidna> I'd upload plasmoid-lancelot there
[22:00] <Serega> cool
[22:00] <awry> can anyone confirm a bug in kfontview-1.1 (kde-4.1) on hardy?
[22:01] <awry> it doesn't render any fonts for me :(
[22:01] <JontheEchidna> oh, that's what was wrong. I needed to have it use ftp
[22:01] <digistyl3> JontheEchidna: that looks cool :)
[22:02] <JontheEchidna> digistyl3: actually the author is going to do a new theme: http://ivan.fomentgroup.org/blog/2008/08/07/lancelot-3in1/
[22:03] <digistyl3> awry: you mean the default font viewer application in kde 4.1?
[22:04] <awry> digistyl3: yes
[22:04] <awry> if i double click on a truetype or opentype font
[22:04] <awry> the font viewer pops up and displays nothing
[22:05] <awry> it doesn't render the font
[22:05] <awry> but if i open the same font in the font viewer from 3.5.9, it works as expected
[22:05] <awry> likewise, dolphin displays a blank preview in the preview pane
[22:05] <digistyl3> it doesn't seem to crash here
[22:06] <awry> it doesn't crash for me either
[22:06] <awry> it just doesn't display anything
[22:06] <digistyl3> i mean it doesn't display blanks ;)
[22:06] <awry> huh
[22:06] <digistyl3> do you know anyone who had the same problem?
[22:06] <awry> no, that's why i'm asking here before filing a bug ;)
[22:07] <awry> maybe i'm missing a lib/pkg
[22:07] <awry> but all deps/suggests for kde-workspace-bin are installed...
[22:08] <digistyl3> i heard about some font related problems, but the source of the problem was in fact ubuntu, not kde 4.1, but it's strange that it works with kde3's viewer, and not with kde4's
[22:09] <Serega> yuriy: ping?
[22:10] <JontheEchidna> vorian: I reuploaded plasmoid-flickr.
[22:10] <JontheEchidna> Oh, and you can't do watches on kde-look stuff
[22:11] <yuriy> Serega: pong
[22:11] <JontheEchidna> unless that prefix on all the downloads isn't random...
[22:11] <awry> digistyl3: yeah, i wouldn't be surprised if it's a packaging or build problem
[22:11] <Serega> yuriy: could you please confirm bug #255861
[22:11] <Serega> ?
[22:11]  * Serega hugs ubottu
[22:11] <JontheEchidna> Oh, well it still doesn't come in a form that could be watched
[22:13] <yuriy> Serega: no, as I said, it works for me now
[22:14] <apachelogger> jcastro: hi
[22:14] <Serega> ah...
[22:14] <yuriy> is it behaving the same way as I described?
[22:15] <jcastro> apachelogger: hi, when you ask someone to file a bug upstream, can you mention it to them to link the bug with "Also affects project" instead of just putting the URL in the comments?
[22:15] <jcastro> apachelogger: it helps me track how well we link bugs upstream if there's a task created vs. just a link in the comments.
[22:15] <Serega> yuriy: I should try to unplug and plug my keyboard, right?
[22:16] <apachelogger> jcastro: I regulary walk through the kde bugs and add th URLs, but I guess a bit of education for the crowds can't be bad :)
[22:17] <jcastro> apachelogger: yeah that would help out alot.
[22:17] <yuriy> Serega: yeah
[22:17] <jcastro> apachelogger: once we get +upstreamreport fixed up it'll all make sense and then it'll be obvious to people what to do
[22:17] <jcastro> (heh)
[22:18]  * Serega wonders PS/2 keyboard plug can be detected by OS...
[22:19] <apachelogger> jcastro: cool
[22:19] <Serega> yuriy: no changes :(
[22:19] <Serega> sorry
[22:19] <Serega> looks like it is not the same
[22:28]  * apachelogger looks
[22:28]  * apachelogger pokes yuriy
[22:29] <SolarWar> hey apachelogger, thanks for advocating my package (http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=qlix) - I have made the recommended changes, please re-advocate when you have a chance (hope i'm not being too persistent :) )
[22:29] <SolarWar> woops
[22:29] <SolarWar> i'm too late!
[22:29]  * SolarWar weeps gently in a corner
[22:30]  * Serega sorrows about his qsynth package :(
[22:30] <SolarWar> is it on revu?
[22:31] <Serega> SolarWar: yep. I was pointed to the Debian mentors, they're silent
[22:31] <Serega> I have rebuilt qsynth package from scratch
[22:32] <SolarWar> i don't see it on revu's listings :-/
[22:32] <Nightrose> SolarWar: ^
[22:32] <Nightrose> ;-)
[22:32] <SolarWar> hey apachelogger, thanks for advocating my package (http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=qlix) - I have made the recommended changes, please re-advocate when you have a chance (hope i'm not being too persistent :) )
[22:32] <SolarWar> i should've waited
[22:32] <SolarWar> now it looks like i'm stalking him
[22:33] <Nightrose> *lol* you are right? :P
[22:33] <Nightrose> no need to hide it
[22:33] <Nightrose> we are all stalking apachelogger
[22:33] <Nightrose> cause he's such a cute guy ;-)
[22:34] <SolarWar> hah!
[22:34] <apachelogger> stalkers!
[22:34] <apachelogger> omg
[22:35] <SolarWar> you need a new identity
[22:35] <SolarWar> and a pair of mustache-glasses
[22:36] <apachelogger> right
[22:37] <apachelogger> https://edge.launchpad.net/~we-love-harald
[22:37] <apachelogger> ^ my stalker group :P
[22:37]  * apachelogger is wondering whether he already wrote his question
[22:37] <apachelogger> well
[22:38] <apachelogger> yuriy: is there a reason we don't link all kde packages to KDE as upstream project instead of creating new lp projects for every package?
[22:39] <JontheEchidna> bah, why isn't lancelot showing up in revu....?
[22:40] <apachelogger> because we don't wanna revu it? :P
[22:40] <JontheEchidna> :P
[22:40] <JontheEchidna> I dput it half an hour ago
[22:40] <JontheEchidna> btw what happened to the revu mailing list?
[22:41] <apachelogger> picard fired stupid blue torpedo thingies at it
[22:42] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: could you revu plasmoid-flickr?
[22:44]  * Serega got really tired w/o arrow keys
[22:44]  * Serega whimpers
[22:44] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: you know
[22:44] <apachelogger> I do
[22:45] <apachelogger> groupies have higher revu priority than non-groupies :P
[22:45] <JontheEchidna> :P
[22:46] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: drop debian/cdbs
[22:46] <apachelogger> and use the one in cdbs instead
[22:46] <JontheEchidna> wait, what?
[22:47] <yuriy> apachelogger: don't know, wasn't me. Riddell ?
[22:47] <yuriy> Serega: :-\
[22:48] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: master Riddell moved that stuff to the cdbs package
[22:48] <apachelogger> so you can remove the debian/cdbs stuff
[22:48] <JontheEchidna> cool
[22:48] <JontheEchidna> so a build-dep on cdbs should automagically get the stuff it needs?
[22:48] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: well, you need to change the include in debian/rules
[22:48] <apachelogger> but other than that - yes
[22:49] <JontheEchidna> what would I change it to?
[22:49] <apachelogger> *shrug*
[22:49] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: take a look at pimlibs
[22:49] <JontheEchidna> kk
[22:49] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: and make libplasma-dev a versioned build-dep
[22:49] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: s/KDE4/KDE 4/g
[22:50] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: section: kde IMHO
[22:50] <JontheEchidna> oops
[22:50] <JontheEchidna> wasn't supposed to be utils
[22:51] <apachelogger> *testbuildering*
[23:05] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: looks goodly otherwise
[23:05] <JontheEchidna> k, reuploading then
[23:06] <apachelogger> Nightrose: do you have the deb yet? :P
[23:06] <apachelogger> plasmoid-flickr
[23:06] <Nightrose> nope
[23:06] <apachelogger> Nightrose: http://aplg.kollide.net/tmp/plasmoid-flickr_0.1-0ubuntu1_i386.deb
[23:07] <apachelogger> Y. M. C. A.
[23:07]  * apachelogger is singing
[23:07] <apachelogger> :P
[23:07] <Nightrose> :P
[23:08] <JontheEchidna> :P
[23:50] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: do you want to go through plasmoid-previewer as well?
[23:50] <JontheEchidna> It still has licensing issues
[23:50] <JontheEchidna> upstream licensing issues
[23:50] <apachelogger> still no response?
[23:51]  * apachelogger also notes that this doesn't prevent packaging improvements ;-)
[23:51] <JontheEchidna> nope
[23:51] <JontheEchidna> It's in playground though
[23:51] <apachelogger> oh well
[23:52]  * apachelogger moves out for fixing
[23:54] <JontheEchidna> oh, I know why plasmoid-lancelot never showed up
[23:54] <JontheEchidna> I tried uploading the wrong file
[23:55] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: http://websvn.kde.org/?view=rev&revision=843803
[23:55] <apachelogger> edit the orig.tar.gz and add the copying
[23:55] <apachelogger> mention in the changelog that you did that
[23:55] <apachelogger> and that it also got added to upstream's SVN
[23:55] <JontheEchidna> ok
[23:56] <apachelogger> section: kde
[23:56] <apachelogger> version for libplasma-dev
[23:56] <apachelogger> I wouldn't mention the KParts
[23:57] <apachelogger> it really doesn't matter to a user how it works as long as it works ;-)
[23:57] <apachelogger> line 4 in copyright exceeds 80 chars
[23:57] <apachelogger> drop debian/cdbs as well
[23:59] <JontheEchidna> having a kde svn account certainly has it's advantages ;-)
[23:59] <apachelogger> ha!
[23:59] <apachelogger>   pbuilder-satisfydepends-dummy: Depends: cbds which is a virtual package.
[23:59] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna:  :P