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poolielifeless:  did you read curtis's "http is stateless" message?00:22
lifelessnot yet00:23
lifelessah yes I have00:24
lifelesshes right that http is stateless, because it is00:24
lifelessapps built on it don't have to be00:24
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Rinchen>> changing topic to reflect new entry msg which has help information00:24
lifelessI was there when the code in question was written; as stuart - who wrote it - says00:24
Hobbseeoh dear.  aliens.00:31
intellectronicayeah, we told them many times that having a sprint on Mars is not such a great idea, but they wouldn't listen00:34
Hobbseehaha :)00:36
Hobbseeintellectronica: the question is...do they have beer on mars?00:36
intellectronicano, only scotch and soda. that's another problem with conducting sprints there00:38
intellectronicaanyway, i think i'm about to be abducted by the tooth fairy. long day tomorrow00:39
poolielifeless, the mind boggles...00:57
poolie"ip does not guarantee reliable delivery, therefore ...."00:57
lifelesspoolie: you have to build layers01:03
poolieexactly01:03
lifelessdid my mail come out funky ?01:03
poolieno, i'm agreeing with you01:03
lifelessk :)01:03
poolieif curtis is trying to say upper layers will have no richer functionality than the lower ones then life will be pretty miserable :)01:04
pooliei'm just venting astonishment :)01:04
spivAstonishment was my reaction too.01:04
pooliei'm also a bit annoyed the bug 131165 is wontfix01:05
ubottuLaunchpad bug 131165 in launchpad "thank you for your bug report appears in wrong window" [Low,Won't fix] https://launchpad.net/bugs/13116501:05
spiv"deliberate tradeoff that is working as designed" does not imply "not bug".01:05
pooliemm01:07
pooliewell, "wontfix" does not imply "not bug"01:07
pooliei disagree with the decision not the categorization01:07
spivI was referring to Curtis's message.01:09
poolieoh, right, yes01:10
spivAnyway, I just dumped a quick idea in the bug.01:10
poolieme too01:13
lifelessI like the way Launchpad Home takes up two rows01:40
lifelessoh wow, we had the russion linguists out too01:42
lifelesspoolie: had you noticed: Launchpad is hosting service for open source projects that's big on collaboration.01:42
poolielol01:45
poolieis very cheap.01:45
poolieyou like.01:46
pooliedo you mean the tab label 'lp home' wraps?01:46
poolieit doesn't on my bigger screen01:46
poolieat least it wraps properly, that's quite nice01:46
lifelessit does, I have my window about 800 px wide01:48
nbjaymehello how do you create a project group? must it exist as a project? i am in the test website of launchpad and cannot figure it out. please help.04:23
nbjaymealso is there a way to delete a project you have created?04:24
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seb128hi08:46
seb128who do I need to ping when a bug gets spam? like somebody sending advertisement for his website08:47
Nafalloseb128: ghostbusters :-)08:51
* Nafallo hides08:51
meoblast001ahhh09:37
meoblast001No such Launchpad account: meoblast00109:37
meoblast001what did i do wrong?09:37
wgrantmeoblast001: Is that from bzr?09:37
meoblast001i think09:38
wgrantI think it's fairly clear what it means - what's your Launchpad username?09:38
meoblast001meoblast001 i think09:38
meoblast001h/o09:38
meoblast001they dont even have usernames do they09:38
meoblast001h/o i'll go check09:38
wgrantThey do. What does https://launchpad.net/people/+me say in the url?09:38
meoblast001https://launchpad.net/~meoblast09:38
meoblast001hmmm09:38
wgrantRight.09:39
meoblast001where did the 001 go?09:39
wgrantI suspect that you didn't enter it.09:39
meoblast001this is my first time to really sit down and get to know Launchpad09:39
wgrantYou may change your username if you wish.09:39
meoblast001wgrant: click that link... it says meoblast001 there09:39
meoblast001but my url doesnt have the 00109:39
persiameoblast001: The display name the the id string may be different09:40
persias/the/and/09:40
wgrantmeoblast001: Display names and usernames are quite distinct. Mine are 'William Grant' and 'wgrant', for example.09:40
meoblast001bzr: ERROR: Generic bzr smart protocol error: Permission denied: "/~meoblast/xeiso": Not enough information.09:40
wgrantThat09:40
meoblast001maybe im not doing something right09:40
wgrantYou're not.09:40
meoblast001bzr push bzr+ssh://meoblast@bazaar.launchpad.net/~meoblast/xeiso09:40
wgrantIt needs to be ~person/project/branch09:40
meoblast001explain project and branch09:40
meoblast001i never commited to version control before09:41
wgrantbranch is an arbitrary name that you choose.09:41
meoblast001i just knew it existed and downloaded from it09:41
wgrantproject is the project that the code is for.09:41
meoblast001xeiso is the project i think09:41
meoblast001now what's the branch?09:41
wgrantWhatever you want.09:41
wgrantMaybe main, maybe trunk.09:41
wgrantMaybe gklrjfiosdfjsoi09:41
meoblast001what "should" i use09:41
wgrantI would suggest main.09:42
meoblast001based on this09:42
meoblast001it looks like trunk09:42
wgrantBut trunk is fine too. Whatever you feel like.09:42
meoblast001https://launchpad.net/xeiso/09:42
meoblast001does that look like its trunk?09:42
* meoblast001 is learning python and version control all in 1 day O_o09:42
wgrantThe series is named trunk, but that's just the default name, and has little to do with branches.09:42
meoblast001so what shold i type?09:43
wgrantmeoblast001: A good combination.09:43
wgrantmeoblast001: bzr push lp:~meoblast/xeiso/main09:43
meoblast001ok09:43
meoblast001i typed bzr push bzr+ssh://meoblast@bazaar.launchpad.net/~meoblast/xeiso/main09:43
meoblast001im afraid09:44
wgrantYou can use lp:~/meoblast/xeiso/main as a shortcut, but either will work fine.09:44
meoblast001if i messed up, xeiso could be ruined O_o09:44
wgrantI doubt it.09:44
meoblast001i still dont get the random red lines in xchat09:44
meoblast001what are those for?09:44
meoblast001cuz one just popped up09:44
meoblast001and it's been irritating me that i dont know what they do09:45
wgrantI think they are there to let you know when you switched away from the window or tab, so you know where you have to read from to catch up.09:45
wgrantBut I haven't used XChat for a couple of years.09:45
meoblast001wtf im not gonna upload 40 megs09:45
meoblast001are they crazy09:45
meoblast001what did i put in there that shouldnt be in there09:45
meoblast001can i stop this process?09:46
wgrantCtrl+C...09:46
meoblast001well... i just hit the x09:46
wgrantOh, what are you doing it in?09:46
meoblast001omg09:46
meoblast001a wav file09:46
meoblast001thats why09:46
wgrantHeh.09:46
meoblast001wgrant: for my new commit, should it say "Deleted Unneeded Nexuiz Files" ?09:48
meoblast001if i deleted an unneeded wav and a few jpgs09:48
wgrantmeoblast001: Just deleting them won't do any good.09:48
wgrantAs they'll be present in old revisions.09:48
meoblast001well... i really didnt upload them yet09:49
meoblast001i dont think09:49
wgrantIf you've committed them, they're in your repository.09:49
meoblast001i commited them to a local database?09:49
meoblast001i think09:49
wgrantYes.09:49
wgrantWhen you push, you push all revisions.09:49
meoblast001exactly09:49
meoblast001if the files dont exist09:49
meoblast001it cant push them09:49
meoblast001right?09:49
wgrantIt can and will, because they're still in the revision history.09:50
wgrantThat's how version control works.09:50
wgrantThat's the point of version control.09:50
meoblast001so how do i remove them?09:50
wgrant#bzr would be a good place to ask.09:50
wgrantUnless they were added in the last few revisions, there's probably not much hope.09:50
meoblast001they were added in the last revision09:51
wgrantYou might be able to get away with running 'bzr uncommit', removing them, and recommitting.09:51
wgrantThat might still not fully remove them - I'm not sure exactly how pushing works. But it's worth a try.09:52
meoblast001ok i uncommited09:52
meoblast001its reporting missing data09:53
meoblast001i has a better idea09:53
meoblast001wgrant: i really messed this up09:56
wgrantmeoblast001: #bzr people can generally help people out of a lot of bad situations.09:56
meoblast001wgrant: no one is answering09:58
meoblast001wgrant: whatif i purge bzr?09:58
meoblast001i just backed up my changes09:58
meoblast001to my desktop09:58
meoblast001bzr: ERROR: Target directory "xeiso" already exists.09:58
meoblast001it wont branch now09:58
meoblast001because i deleted xeiso09:58
meoblast001nvm09:59
meoblast001it cd'd me into the trash bin with it09:59
meoblast001didnt know that was possible09:59
ephracisHey, I just recently moved my project to launchpad and imported my code from sourceforge. So now the trunk runs imports now and then, but I want to ditch sourceforge svn and only use bazaar on launchpad for hosting my code. How can I turn the svn import branch into a "normal" bazaar repo for my project?11:48
intellectronicaephracis: i think that you can't simply because that branch is owned by ~vcs-imports, and you'll want your main bzr branch to be owned by your team, so you'll probably have to get the imported branch and push it as yours11:57
intellectronicabut i'm no expert - perhaps one of the code guys, like thumper or mwhudson would be able to give you a better answer11:57
wgrantephracis: I'd such 'bzr branch'ing it locally, then just push it to somewhere that you can edit.11:58
wgrantThen set that as the main branch for your project, thus making the ~vcs-imports one like any other branch.11:59
arnarlhi, the staging test-server seems to submit to launchpad.net13:02
wgrantarnarl: Where?13:24
arnarlI tried to register a new project at staging.launchpad.net, and when I submitted it (twice because of an error in my data) it sent me to launchpad.net13:25
arnarlwgrant: there is a certain possiblity of pebcak13:26
wgrantIt worked for me.13:26
arnarlI've closed the window so I don't have the history13:26
arnarlbut I'm quite sure that I was redirected because I had the real launchpad.net window next to it13:27
arnarland no submits there13:27
arnarlbut not really a problem as I was going to registrer the project anyway13:27
arnarlThe reason I tried the staging server was that I wondered about registering a metaproject13:28
wgrantYou have to ask a Launchpad admin to register a project group.13:29
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arnarlI can do that after the projects are created right?13:29
arnarlsub-projects13:30
wgrantYes.13:33
arnarlgreat, thnx :-)13:33
colbracIs it normal that galapagos needs multiple hours for the initial import of a small project from sf.net svn? (31 revs)?14:36
meoblast001hi14:47
meoblast001how would i link a project to my team?14:48
persiameoblast001: It's generally done by granting the team control over bugs on the project, and setting the project trunk branch to the team branch.14:52
meoblast001?14:53
persiaErm.  I'm not able to break that down more: maybe someone else can help?14:53
meoblast001im new to launchpad14:55
meoblast001i found out how awesome it is when i did some work on Xeiso14:55
meoblast001im new to version control too14:55
meoblast001persia: ahh warning sign15:00
meoblast001https://code.launchpad.net/mox\15:00
meoblast001https://code.launchpad.net/mox15:00
meoblast001idk15:01
meoblast001im gonna mess with this i guess15:01
Myrttihello15:04
Myrttiis this the right place to talk about login to wiki.ubuntu.com using openid from launchpad?15:04
Myrttisince - it don't work.15:04
elmoMyrtti: have you got javascript or cookies disabled?15:05
Myrttinot that I know of15:05
MyrttiI'm using epiphany and got weird error message in the wiki15:05
elmowhat happens when you try to log in?15:05
MyrttiOpenID error: Nonce already used or out of range.15:06
elmowhat's your LP ID?15:06
Myrttiunsurprisingly Myrtti15:07
meoblast001any idea what "bzr: ERROR: At bzr+ssh://meoblast@bazaar.launchpad.net/~mysticgalaxies/mox/devel you have a valid .bzr control directory, but not a branch or repository. This is an unsupported configuration. Please move the target directory out of the way and try again." might mean?15:10
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elmoMyrtti: can you try logging into help.ubuntu.com, just out of interest?15:14
* Myrtti rolls her thumbs15:15
Myrttitrying15:16
Myrttistill loading15:18
MyrttiI guess it's not going anywhere15:19
meoblast001any idea about that error?15:20
MyrttiProxy Error15:21
MyrttiThe proxy server received an invalid response from an upstream server.15:21
MyrttiThe proxy server could not handle the request GET /community/.15:21
Myrtti502 yay15:21
elmoMyrtti: according to the logs your browser is sending the same nonce repeatedly15:21
elmoMyrtti: can you try completely stopping/killing the browser, restarting and trying again?15:21
Myrttiwohoo.15:21
Myrttisure, I'll reboot while I'm at it, compiz got flaky15:22
meoblast001Myrtti: "<Myrtti> Proxy Error" was that directed towards me or elmo?15:27
elmomeoblast001: me15:28
Myrttithat was fun15:28
meoblast001ok15:28
Myrttiwhen I launched the browser, I was logged in, I logged out and now I can't login with the openid again15:29
* meoblast001 cant figure this out15:30
meoblast001bzr: ERROR: Transport operation not possible: http does not support mkdir()15:31
meoblast001=/15:31
Myrttimeoblast001: what about "bzr+ssh://meoblast@bazaar.launchpad.net/~mysticgalaxies/mox/devel mysticalgalaxies"15:35
kikohey there15:35
elmoMyrtti: err, I can't see you logging in or out, on our logs.  are you sure you don't have a proxy in front of you?15:36
meoblast001Myrtii: bzr: ERROR: extra argument to command push: mysticgalaxies15:36
Myrttioh.15:36
Myrttielmo: again, not that I know of.15:36
elmoMyrtti: well, not being funny, but you might want to ask your ISP or whoever provides your net connection, because it looks very strongly like that's the case15:37
elmoMyrtti: at 15:31, I see you getting the /Myrtti page on the wiki, but I don't see any login/logout related requests hit our server _at all_ from you15:37
Myrtti... and I spesifically cleared out my cookies, and logged in15:38
MyrttiApache/2.2.8 (Ubuntu) mod_ssl/2.2.8 OpenSSL/0.9.8g Server at wiki.ubuntu.com Port 443 | The proxy server could not handle the request GET /15:46
MyrttiAND according to my browser now I'm logged in. -______-15:47
Myrttilike. WTH?!15:47
Myrttiwell, atleast to help.ubuntu.com15:47
Myrttiok, getting confused, fetching coffee15:48
Myrttiyay. now I got Zero Sized Reply16:01
Myrttiyay! now it worked16:17
VladimirMelohi there, anyone who works with rosetta around?16:43
intellectronicaVladimirMelo: i don't think there's anyone around, but i can try to help, or you could ask your question on launchpad itself16:50
jtvVladimirMelo: hi, I'm here, though a bit busy16:50
VladimirMelojtv: ok, thanks17:03
jtvVladimirMelo: go ahead?17:04
VladimirMelojtv: I'm one of brazilian team administrators17:04
VladimirMelojtv: and I have a question...17:04
VladimirMelojtv: why rosetta don't have just the strings out of upstream catalogs?17:05
VladimirMelodoesnt*17:05
jtvVladimirMelo: you're saying there are more strings than in the original template?17:05
jtvVladimirMelo: I guess you're talking about Ubuntu translations?17:05
VladimirMelojtv: i'm saying we should just translate the string which are not in upstream17:06
jtvVladimirMelo: like what you get when you select the "untranslated" filter, you mean?17:06
VladimirMelojtv: yeah, but we gotta import all files to each release17:07
jtvVladimirMelo: ideally, that is exactly what should happen.  But sometimes something may need to be translated differently in Ubuntu, e.g. because of differences in terminology or other standards between upstream and Ubuntu17:07
VladimirMelojtv: I understand, but I think rosetta should get a kind of diff to be translated, not the entire file17:08
jtvVladimirMelo: That's the "untranslated" filter.17:09
jtvVladimirMelo: it's also up to the translation teams to watch out for too many differences, and to inform their members about not creating unnecessary differences.17:09
VladimirMelojtv: so, rosetta would merge the diff to upstream file...17:11
VladimirMelojtv: yeah, but we're gonna import all over again each release, right?17:11
jtvVladimirMelo: we generally can't merge to upstream, because there are so many completely different upstreams!17:11
jtvVladimirMelo: we import again, but that updates and adds.  You don't actually lose anything.17:12
VladimirMelojtv: I mean merge to files which are translated from upstream17:13
jtvVladimirMelo: who is "upstream" in this case?17:14
VladimirMelojtv: gnome po files17:14
VladimirMelojtv: rosett would show the patch strings and we would translate just them17:15
jtvVladimirMelo: one thing we're looking at is allowing you to e.g. export just the Ubuntu changes, and send those to the Gnome translators.17:15
VladimirMelojtv: gnome po files+diff=ubuntu po files, right?17:15
jtvVladimirMelo: pretty much, yes.17:15
VladimirMelojtv: and the other direction?17:16
VladimirMelojtv: gnome > ubuntu17:16
jtvVladimirMelo: the Ubuntu people produce those translations and upload them to Launchpad.17:17
VladimirMelojtv: but we want to get gnome strings and just complete the translations17:18
jtvVladimirMelo: I guess I still don't see what the problem is...  Isn't the "untranslated" filter what you want for that?17:19
VladimirMelojtv: because brazilian ubuntu translators are also gnome translators17:19
VladimirMelojtv: no, because we make some revisions between releases17:20
VladimirMelojtv: and it's hard to work on gnome and ubuntu everytime17:21
VladimirMelojtv: we want to bring gnome strings to ubuntu17:22
Myrtti... doesn't launchpad pull translations from the previous release to the next?17:22
jtvMyrtti: yes, it does17:23
VladimirMeloMyrtti: we translators gotta confirm each string17:23
jtvVladimirMelo: but the problem is that it takes too long for the upstream updates to get into the Ubuntu translations, right?17:23
VladimirMelojtv: yeah, you're right... gnome 2.24 is not at rosetta yet17:24
VladimirMeloI mean, translations17:24
jtvVladimirMelo: is that the version for Intrepid?17:24
VladimirMelojtv: yep17:25
VladimirMelojtv: and we will have to import xfce, gnome and kde POs17:25
VladimirMelojtv: merging manually those that have different strings17:26
VladimirMelojtv: it's hard to call translators to work with this, they think it's boring17:26
VladimirMeloand it is... :)17:27
VladimirMelojtv: we gotta download the file, change it and upload17:27
jtvVladimirMelo: why not change it in the web UI?17:27
VladimirMelojtv: because we have to check other strings and it's not easy to do it over launchpad17:28
jtvVladimirMelo: check them in what way?17:29
VladimirMelojtv: e.g. 'delete' can be translated as 'excluir' or 'remover'... 'excluir' is the right one...17:29
VladimirMelojtv: and we have to find the others 'delete' to fix it17:30
jtvVladimirMelo: if it's per PO file, do you know about the new search feature?17:30
VladimirMeloother 'delete's17:30
VladimirMelojtv: yeas, this is a useful feature, but these fixes are many times already done in upstream17:31
jtvVladimirMelo: ...and you shouldn't have to do them again.17:31
VladimirMelojtv: no?17:32
VladimirMelojtv: what I should do?17:32
jtvVladimirMelo: what should happen is that the translation team checks the "changed in Launchpad" strings from time to time, and where it makes sense, re-unifies messages with the upstream ones.17:33
jtvVladimirMelo: so not entering/fixing them again, but saying "this message can use the same translation as upstream."17:33
VladimirMelojtv: how they check?17:33
jtvVladimirMelo: a view filter: "items changed in Launchpad."17:34
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jtvVladimirMelo: for those messages, the current upstream translation will show up as a suggestion marked "Packaged:"17:34
VladimirMelojtv: I didn't know that17:35
VladimirMelojtv: how long it takes to check upstream messages?17:35
jtvVladimirMelo: there's still the problem that it takes a long time to import the upstream files, of course.17:36
jtvVladimirMelo: to be honest I have no idea how long it takes; it would depend mainly on how many there are!17:36
VladimirMelojtv: because we have one, maybe two months between gnome and ubuntu releases17:37
jtvVladimirMelo: so the import cycle is still the big problem...17:38
VladimirMelojtv: we don't know how to check differences between them in so short time... and fix them17:38
VladimirMelojtv: I see now what's the real trouble17:38
VladimirMelojtv: thanks17:40
jtvVladimirMelo: it's also useful for me, so thank you.17:40
VladimirMelojtv: ok, I'll try to work with these filters17:41
jtvVladimirMelo: it's not perfect, but I hope they help!17:42
VladimirMelojtv: ok, thanks again17:42
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Rinchen 18:58
Rinchen>> come join the LP dev meeting in #launchpad-meeting18:58
Rinchen 18:58
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stefanlsdCan anyone help me what i should check with this - MD5 sum of uploaded file does not match existing file in archive / Files specified in DSC are broken or missing, skipping package unpack verification...22:00
salgadocprov, can you help stefanlsd?22:01
cprovstefanlsd: are you using the same orig.tar.gz ubuntu does ?22:05
WhoopieHi, I have a PPA at launchpad. I'd be interested when older packages superceeded by newer uploads are deleted from the PPA. thank22:05
cprovWhoopie: yes, they are removed from the archive.22:06
stefanlsdcprov: it should be. I received the files from a grab-merge from merges.ubuntu.com22:06
Whoopiecprov: how long does it take? just curious22:06
stefanlsdcprov: gonna try reget them and compare md5's22:06
cprovWhoopie: immediately once there is no index referencing it.22:07
stefanlsdcprov: yeah, just got it again. they are identical...22:07
cprovWhoopie: 'referencing' as the orig being used by a newer version, for instance.22:08
Whoopiecprov: hmm, ok. because I built a new package and the older one is still there. It was 5 hours ago.22:08
cprovWhoopie: doesn't it use the same orig ?22:09
Whoopieit does22:09
cprovWhoopie: so.22:10
stefanlsdcprov: any ideas?22:11
cprovstefanlsd: 6f30d5907b75ef76809c19e0103d78f4a5fb027c 734954 python-xml_0.8.4.orig.tar.gz22:11
cprovstefanlsd: it's broken, see https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/python-xml/0.8.4-10ubuntu222:11
cprovstefanlsd: specifically https://launchpadlibrarian.net/13278701/python-xml_0.8.4.orig.tar.gz22:12
stefanlsdcprov: I used a grab merge and it auto downloaded it and thats what22:13
stefanlsdi got. heh :)22:13
stefanlsdcprov: where does PPA generate its md5's from?   Not from merges.ubuntu.com?22:15
cprovstefanlsd: don't worry, just rebuild the source using the ubuntu orig, this way you save a 800k upload22:15
cprovstefanlsd: ehe, no, obviously not, it has directly access to the file uploaded to soyuz (in general)22:17
cprovstefanlsd: anyway, now you know how it works and how to fix your upload, right ?  I will be out for some minutes, let me know if I can help with anything else.22:19
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stefanlsdcprov-afk: yeah. just gonna download orig.  anyway i can force ppa upload without doing a delete?22:20
stefanlsdmm. i deleted the _source.upload file... seems to be going again...22:21
cprov-afkstefanlsd: sorry, are you talking about the dput error ?22:21
stefanlsdcprov-afk: nodnod. dput was complaining...22:22
cprov-afkstefanlsd: your upload has failed, PPA has not trace about it whatsoever.22:22
stefanlsdcprov-afk: aah. ok. thanks. that makes sense.  Im trying to upload again. Thanks for your time and assistance22:22
cprov-afkstefanlsd: `dput -f xxx.changes` or remove the '.upload' file22:22
cprov-afkstefanlsd: np, you are welcome.22:23
onoxwhy does the description not parse newlines anymore?22:24
emgentproblem solved fake sync by doko22:26
emgent  * Fake sync (different .orig.tar.gz).22:26
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