[00:00] <Jordan_U> My keyboard is working in X after it was broken by bug #254840 but my touchpad is still not working
[00:29] <mbrigdan> how are new versions named? Just a random adjective + animal that start with the same letter?
[00:38] <Hobbsee> and hte letters are going in the order of hte alphabet now, yes.
[00:39] <tanath> hm, after my last update & reboot, my up arrow key asks me to save a screenshot...
[00:40] <tanath> the other arrow keys work right
[00:40] <tanath> what's this 'evdev-managed keyboard' thing that is the new default in the Keyboard applet?
[00:41] <Hobbsee> interesting.
[00:42] <tanath> at least my mousewheel scrolls now :)
[00:44] <mbrigdan> would it be safe to run Intrepid in VirtualBox?
[00:45] <tanath> hm, my right alt key is funkey. in setting shortcuts in applet it shows up as ISO Level3 Shift
[00:46] <csky_max> 255008
[00:46] <csky_max> bug 255008
[00:46] <csky_max> tanath: ^
[00:47] <tanath> :)
[00:47] <tanath> i just reset the kb shortcut for screenshot, and it says my prtscn button is Insert
[00:47] <tanath> up still does that though
[00:48] <csky_max> i would reset all keyboard settings using "defaults" button in keyboard settings applet
[00:48] <csky_max> that fixed my keyboard issues
[00:48] <tanath> i did that
[00:48] <tanath> changed to 'evdev-managed keyboard'
[00:48] <csky_max> i didn't do that part, still on PC105
[00:48] <tanath> now i'm redoing the keyboard shortcuts in that applet
[00:48] <tanath> the kb shortcuts applet that is
[00:49] <tanath> i have to do that every time i change keyboard settings
[00:49] <mbrigdan> actually, how would I even go about installing Intrepid in virtualbox?
[00:49] <tanath> i set my kb to microsoftinet in xorg.conf, and now it defaults to 'evdev-managed keyboard'
[00:50] <scizzo-> mbrigdan: its broken afaik
[00:50] <scizzo-> mbrigdan: that is installing it in virtualbox
[00:50] <scizzo-> mbrigdan: it even says so in the launchpad information on alpha3 download page
[00:50] <mbrigdan> scizzo-: really? "Darn"
[00:50] <mbrigdan> oh well
[00:51] <csky_max> tanath: the problem it fixed for me was, key repeat wasn't working. "defaults" fixed that.
[00:51] <scizzo-> bug 246067
[00:51] <csky_max> your mileage may vary.
[00:51] <tanath> csky_max: haven't had a prob with that yet
[00:52] <tanath> things seem a bit speedier too now :)
[00:52] <tanath> which reminds me, has anyone else had probs with facebook in firefox?
[00:52] <tanath> it always goes incredibly slowly since my upgrade to ibex
[00:53] <csky_max> you could try adding firebug plugin, look for errors
[00:53] <tanath> hm
[00:53] <tanath> it's weird though, happens on old and new facebook
[00:53] <tanath> but when i try in another browser, it usually loads in a fraction of the time
[00:54] <csky_max> tanath: maybe a few weeks old behavior now, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=500433
[00:54] <csky_max> could be facebook related too, that thread is not an intrepid user
[00:54] <tanath> ah, feels great to be able to finally use my scroll wheel again :D
[00:55] <tanath> cathartic, even
[00:55] <csky_max> now bind it to the desktop cube... joy
[00:55] <tanath> lol
[00:55] <tanath> no need. kb works for that ;)
[00:56] <tanath> ctrl+alt+[left/right]
[00:56] <tanath> oh, wtf. that's not working now :-/
[00:57] <tanath> weird
[00:57] <tanath> still configured right. plugin is enabled. maybe my arrow keys are more messed up than i thought
[00:58] <tanath> left & right work fine in text areas though
[00:58] <tanath> hm.. my right alt-key is really messed
[00:59] <tanath> ctrl+(right alt)+[left/right] = beep
[00:59] <tanath> left alt = nothing
[00:59] <tanath> works as alt though
[01:00] <tanath> that ubuntuforums thread is from 2k7
[01:00] <tanath> this is more recent
[01:01] <csky_max> Oops, I missed the year, sorry.
[01:01] <tanath> started with ibex upgrade
[01:01] <tanath> hehe
[01:01] <csky_max> I'd definitely toss Firebug into your plugins and see what errors on page it shows
[01:01] <csky_max> "chugging" shouldn't happen
[01:02] <tanath> woohoo, my scroll wheel and thumb buttons work :D
[01:03] <tanath> i be happy now
[01:03] <tanath> now i just need an up key
[01:06] <mbrigdan> someone should make a plugin like desktop cube, except the cube should be a helicopter
[01:06] <mbrigdan> that would be awesome
[01:06] <mbrigdan> I don't know how you would make the desktops to it though
[01:06] <mbrigdan> *map
[01:07] <tanath> o.O
[01:07] <tanath> hm, now that firebug is installed, FB is fast again
[01:08] <tanath> reasonably quick anyway
[01:11] <tanath> oh, another thing. the other day after previous x server update, i lost my mouse & keyboard 'cause they weren't configured in xorg.conf
[01:11] <tanath> had to boot from livecd to fix
[01:12] <tanath> since i get no video output when switching to virtual terminals
[01:12] <tanath> and when booting
[01:19] <csky_max> I try not to ever touch xorg.conf
[01:19] <csky_max> It always ends in tears
[01:19] <tanath> lol
[01:20] <tanath> occasionally it ends happily :P
[01:20] <csky_max> I've constructed them from scratch back when you had to. Now, if Ubuntu doesn't make it right for me, I slap Ubuntu till it does.
[01:20] <tanath> like now my mouse works properly
[01:20] <tanath> lol
[01:21] <tanath> it fails now though. i had left it to determine its own defaults or whatever, and they at least had some functionality
[01:22] <tanath> but without keyboard & mouse configured, i ended up at login screen with no mouse or keyboard
[01:23] <tanath> anyone heard of CRAMES?
[01:24] <tanath> http://spectrum.ieee.org/aug08/6479
[01:25] <tanath> researchers tweaked linux on a PDA to effectively double it's RAM
[01:25] <tanath> by setting aside some RAM for compressed RAM
[01:28] <tanath> "We were thinking only of embedded systems when we first engineered CRAMES. But since then we've also been working on some exciting possibilities involving general-purpose computers (which might allow us to compress our acronym for this data compression, fittingly enough, to CRAM)."
[01:30] <mbrigdan> hmm, but doesn't compression and decompression _always_ cause a performance hit somewhere?
[01:30] <tanath> it's very slight
[01:30] <mbrigdan> makes sense
[01:31] <tanath> "Indeed, our testing revealed that ripping out this much memory results in a performance penalty of just 0.2 percent on average and 9.2 percent in the worst case."
[01:31] <mbrigdan> you could also try to do all the compression when they wouldn't notice, such as during low loads
[01:31] <mbrigdan> except that doesn't really work with ram
[01:32] <mbrigdan> usually high load = high ram usage
[01:33] <tanath> i'm wondering if they've released their tweaks, and if they can be implemented. i wouldn't mind effectively doubling my memory for free :P
[01:34] <mbrigdan> would probably need to be implemented into the kernel though
[01:34] <tanath> yeah
[01:35] <tanath> but this CRAMES algorithm has already been used in a smartphone that's on the market...
[01:36] <mbrigdan> you could find their patent, and um, "borrow" some ideas. I think using a patent in free software is allowed to some degree.
[01:36] <tanath> so doesn't that mean the code must be open/available?
[01:36] <mbrigdan> I don't think so
[01:36] <mbrigdan> patents are tricky
[01:36] <mbrigdan> especially in the US
[01:36] <tanath> hm..
[01:36] <tanath> i wasn't thinking about patents, i was just thinking about how it was done with linux
[01:37] <tanath> so the could would have to be free
[01:37] <mbrigdan> in Sweden for example, you can't patent software, because it is the product of an algorithm
[01:37] <tanath> yeah, the US has a big battle in that area
[01:38] <mbrigdan> in canada, there is no laws related to software copyright
[01:38] <tanath> hmm, my right ctrl key is messed up
[01:38] <tanath> so bring it out in canada :D
[01:38] <mbrigdan> they "could" sue you for lost profits, but they would need to prove it
[01:39] <tanath> if i hold down the right ctrl key, it repeats
[01:39] <tanath> i just figured this out because i have google desktop, which uses ctrl+ctrl...
[01:39] <mbrigdan> The government is trying to bring in killer DCMA laws though, and I really, really, want the bill to be killed
[01:39] <tanath> same
[01:40] <tanath> that's politics for you
[01:40] <tanath> big business has the influence
[01:40] <mbrigdan> Although, its still presued at the request of the copy holder, so it still might not be that effective
[01:40] <tanath> trying to use the law to prop up failing business models
[01:41] <tanath> one can hope...
[01:41] <mbrigdan> I hope the bill dies, preferably violently
[01:41] <tanath> but in the end it'll be inevitable. the business model will fail
[01:41] <tanath> it's growing pains right now, methinks
[01:41] <mbrigdan> I mean, to some degree, you need copyright laws
[01:41] <mbrigdan> but that bill is too much
[01:41] <tanath> not _necessarily_
[01:42] <tanath> the internet and other technologies are changing the way things are done
[01:42] <mbrigdan> seriously, we have next to no laws on software up here, its not the most conductive to releasing costly software if its legal to share it with all your friends
[01:42] <mbrigdan> it is changing though
[01:43] <mbrigdan> it would be awesome if everything was free, but thats a bit overly utopian
[01:43] <tanath> when everything can be represented as information, and information can be copied freely...
[01:43] <tanath> without economic penalty
[01:43] <tanath> that's a game changer if ever there was one
[01:43] <mbrigdan> yup
[01:44] <tanath> especially with things like the new personal fabs / 3d printers
[01:44] <mbrigdan> Me and a friend once designed a society where everything was free for a school project
[01:44] <tanath> oh?
[01:44] <tanath> price would simply take a different meaning, methinks
[01:44] <mbrigdan> it survived by selling code to the rest of the world
[01:44] <tanath> money is really just representative...
[01:45] <tanath> hm
[01:45] <mbrigdan> but you needed an IQ over 130 to join though, so it was a little restrictive
[01:45] <tanath> i thought you meant, like a global society
[01:45] <tanath> hah
[01:45] <mbrigdan> nope
[01:45] <mbrigdan> that would be harder
[01:45] <tanath> in 150 years, maybe everyone could be a part :P
[01:46] <mbrigdan> maybe
[01:46] <tanath> unless you think the "singularity" is coming, and nearer
[01:47] <mbrigdan> a UK company designed a system of hunter killer drones and satellites called SkyNet...
[01:47] <mbrigdan> if you've seen terminator...
[01:47] <mbrigdan> gah, need to find my XP setup disk
[01:48] <mbrigdan> hopefully VirtualBox will have better compatibility than wine
[02:08] <tanath> damnit, i need my up key back :P
[02:25] <tanath> arg, i did something to cause imwheel to startup when X does, but i forget what
[02:26] <tanath> that's what was causing my scroll wheel to not work
[02:26] <tanath> it crashed and that's why my scroll wheel worked.
[02:27] <mbrigdan> thats a little strange
[02:27] <mbrigdan> ubuntu uses the generic linux kernel right?
[02:29] <tanath> nvm
[02:29] <tanath> imwheel config
[02:29] <tanath> my up key works again too
[02:45] <mbrigdan> whats the ubuntu+2 channel for?
[02:46] <RAOF> Is there one?
[02:46] <mbrigdan> yes
[02:46] <mbrigdan> invite only
[02:46] <RAOF> Then it's not official.
[02:47] <mbrigdan> actually, it forwards here
[02:47] <mbrigdan> hmm
[02:47] <mbrigdan> ok, thats really odd
[02:48] <mbrigdan> I was kick due to invite only before, but now it just forwards here
[02:48] <mbrigdan> whatever...
[03:24] <mbrigdan> cool, virtual box seems to simulate windows fine
[03:24] <mbrigdan> now I can play all those games that don't run in wine
[03:26] <RAOF> mbrigdan: With any form of 3d acceleration?
[03:26] <mbrigdan> I'm not sure
[03:26] <RAOF> I'm pretty sure the answer is "no".
[03:27] <mbrigdan> doesn't it emulate _everything_ though? So it would work, just not very fast.
[03:29] <RAOF> It does indeed emulate everything.  But the video card that it emulates doesn't do 3d.
[03:29] <mbrigdan> gerr
[03:29] <mbrigdan> oh well
[03:30] <mbrigdan> better than 10,000 FIXME: blah blah errors
[03:30] <RAOF> And you really wouldn't want emulated 3d, anyway.  It'd be unusable.
[03:30] <mbrigdan> cool, wine can play halo
[03:31] <mbrigdan> I notice that I haven't been nailed for being totally off-topic yet, so is it safe to say the #ubuntu+1 is a lot more relaxed than #ubuntu?
[03:32] <RAOF> mbrigdan: Yes.  Because it's lower-traffic.
[03:32] <mbrigdan> much lower traffic
[03:32] <RAOF> Should anyone actually be talking in here the tolerance for off-topic will go down.
[03:34] <mbrigdan> makes sense
[03:35] <mbrigdan> where would I look if I wanted to do some _very_ light development?
[03:36] <RAOF> Development into what?
[03:36] <RAOF> Development _of_ what, I mean.
[03:37] <mbrigdan> um
[03:37] <RAOF> If you want to help Ubuntu, it's pretty easy to do some packaging fixes; #ubuntu-motu would be the place to start.
[03:37] <mbrigdan> anything that doesn't have a deadline
[03:37] <RAOF> !contribute
[03:37] <RAOF> That link is also good for Ubuntu :)
[03:42] <jhb1608> do anybody know how to help me fix the Genius Mousepen 8x6 issue, and plus how do I install VMware in my latest ubuntu?
[04:03] <mbrigdan> on the SkyRocket screen saver, how can I use the keyboard commands that supposedly come with it?
[04:07] <RAOF> mbrigdan: I doubt that they are active when it's used as a screensaver.
[04:07] <mbrigdan> hmm
[04:07] <mbrigdan> you know how I could change the settings for a screen saver?
[04:07] <mbrigdan> I can't seem to find a way
[04:07] <RAOF> mbrigdan: You help me work on launchpad.net/screensaver-settings
[04:08] <RAOF> mbrigdan: The short answer is that you edit (or copy) a .desktop file in /usr/share/applications/screensavers
[04:08] <mbrigdan> >.>
[04:08] <mbrigdan> you would think someone would have coded an interface
[04:08] <mbrigdan> its a rather useful feature
[04:09] <mbrigdan> Language: C# ?? Isn't C# a windows only thing?
[04:09] <crdlb> if only
[04:10] <RAOF> crdlb: I'd have preferred to write it in python, but the guy who started it knew C#.
[04:10] <crdlb> the prophet Icaza has brought it to us in the form of Mono ;)
[04:10] <crdlb> RAOF: vala :P
[04:10] <RAOF> vala != CIL
[04:10] <mbrigdan> I only really know C++, is that similar to C#?
[04:10] <crdlb> vala ~= C# though
[04:11] <mbrigdan> I sorta know python
[04:11] <crdlb> mbrigdan: thankfully, no
[04:11] <mbrigdan> I want to learn is a better word
[04:11] <mbrigdan> (for my knowledge of python)
[04:11] <RAOF> mbrigdan: C++ is not unlike C#.  C#, java, C++ share fairly similar syntax.
[04:11] <mbrigdan> (more of a phrase than a word)
[04:11] <mbrigdan> ah
[04:11] <crdlb> C# is much simpler than C++, and it's basically a java clone
[04:12] <mbrigdan> Seeing the reaction to C#, I don't think I really want or need to learn it
[04:12] <RAOF> Right.  No turing-complete type system, for example.
[04:12] <RAOF> mbrigdan: crdlb's reaction is not typical.
[04:12]  * RAOF really likes the idea of the CLI, C# isn't a bad language, and the standard library isn't totally rubbish.
[04:12] <mbrigdan> actually, I've seen a few more people than him react that way
[04:13] <mbrigdan> lots of people seem to harbour a dislike to it
[04:13] <crdlb> RAOF: the truth is that GLib is the One True Standard Library at least for me
[04:13] <RAOF> There certainly is a vocal minority, yes.
[04:13] <crdlb> honestly, I get sick of python sometimes because of how many things it lacks compared to glib
[04:13] <RAOF> crdlb: GLib is awesome for C.  But I won't write any gui code in C.
[04:14] <crdlb> a good example: g_get_user_config_dir
[04:14]  * mbrigdan googles GLib
[04:14] <RAOF> Hell, yes.
[04:15] <RAOF> There's python-xdg or something, but glib is nicely XDG compliant.
[04:15] <crdlb> and python-xdg means no windows support
[04:15] <RAOF> System.Environment.GetSpecialDir(UserConfigDir)
[04:17] <mbrigdan> holy crap, my firefox is using 162MB of memory
[04:18] <LSD|Ninja> only 162? :P
[04:18] <RAOF> Only 162 Mb?
[04:19] <crdlb> haha, I was going to say it too, but I refrained
[04:23] <mbrigdan> hehe, your's use more?
[04:27] <mbrigdan> is it bad that cpuburn can heat my system up to about 60-63C? (Depending on room temperature)
[04:28] <RAOF> No.  That'd be considered very cool for some systems.
[04:28] <mbrigdan> awesome
[04:36] <DanaG> Oh yeah, rss-glx needs to use NICE and use fps limit.
[04:36] <DanaG> Otherwise, it's way CPU-rapeagey.
[04:36] <DanaG> And it looks rather horrid, too.
[04:37] <RAOF> DanaG: DEBDIFF!
[04:37] <RAOF> :)
[05:09] <DanaG> Interesting....
[05:09] <DanaG> pulseaudio from iwl3945->ipw2200 works better than pulseaudio from iwl3945->wired
[05:09] <DanaG> (through the router on the latter, of course.)
[05:12] <DanaG> Now, if only I could think of an actual use for that....
[05:12] <DanaG> My best speakers are the ones hooked to my cardbus sound card... which is in the laptop that has most of my music.
[06:53] <scyrma> how's the weather like in KDE 4.1 in Intrepid? I've been holding on kde from Hardy, but with the latest libs a few keys don't work anymore.. (like arrow up!)
[06:53] <scyrma> so I might go for the full upgrade
[06:55] <cycom> Oh my god.  I could kiss the Ibex devs.
[06:55] <cycom> My mighty mouse works.
[06:55] <cycom> It works without me having to DO anything.
[06:56] <scyrma> funny.. mine just stopped working in kdm :(
[06:56] <cycom> well, I'm a gnome user.
[06:56] <scyrma> :)
[06:56] <cycom> this is literally the first time I've been able to get it working on anything other than a mac.
[06:56] <scyrma> I might become one ..
[06:57] <cycom> scyrma: Linus' opinion aside, I rather enjoy gnome.
[06:58] <scyrma> there's something strange happening.. when I press "arrow up", it starts ksnapshot..
[06:58] <RAOF> scyrma: KDE works, for a sufficiently loose definition of works.
[06:58] <cycom> scyrma: funny keybindings?
[06:58] <scyrma> looked that up, nothing changed since yesterday..
[06:58]  * RAOF 's definition of "works" seems fairly strictly aligned with "does things like GNOME", actually.
[06:59] <scyrma> RAOF, I guess it's time I see for myself, I guess
[06:59] <scyrma> I kinda liked my setup, so .. a bit afraid of change, strangely
[06:59] <scyrma> sounds like "1+1=3 for sufficiently large values of 1"
[07:00]  * scyrma types the dreaded aptitude line
[07:00] <cycom> I literally just got hardy right where I wanted it today, but when I heard that my mighty mouse bug was fixed in intrepid ibex, I had to switch.
[07:03] <cycom> OH MY GOD! Suspend/resume works!
[07:03] <cycom> hehe, I didn't even get connected from ssh!
[07:03] <cycom> I'm pleased as punch.
[08:43] <mattik> Hello, In intrepid I got this error in KDE starting: The file or folder /home/mattik/Desktop/ does not exist.
[08:44] <mattik> Is it fixed in kde 4.2 or is it coming to Intrepid?
[09:38] <mattik> Hello, In intrepid I got this error in KDE starting: The file or folder /home/mattik/Desktop/ does not exist.
[09:40] <gnomefreak> mattik:  does ~/Desktop work?
[09:42] <mattik> gnomefreak: Hello, It is same error as before this /home/Desktop is different place as Desktp I see. I heared this is some property
[09:43] <mattik> I mean /home/mattik/Desktop
[09:43] <gnomefreak> mattik: im sorry its early here. what do you mean?
[09:43] <gnomefreak> with ~/Desktop gives same error?
[09:44] <mattik> Oh sorry
[09:44] <mattik> I haven't got Desktop
[09:44] <mattik> folder
[09:45] <mattik> It's Työpöytä, finnish
[09:46] <mattik> Maybe localization is not ready yet
[09:47] <mattik> I have to change some environment variable?
[09:52] <mattik> gnomefreak: I think you use gnome :) But do you remeber where is file where I have to change Desktop to Työpöytä. It's under .kde maybe?
[09:52] <gnomefreak> mattik:  i use 4 or 5 DE including kde3 and 4
[09:52] <mattik> ok
[09:53] <gnomefreak> mattik: yes its in ~/.kde
[09:53] <gnomefreak> if you haave a ~/.kde4 than use that. im not sure if that transfer is finished yet
[09:56] <mattik> is it under share folder
[09:57] <mattik> I mean /.kde/share
[09:58] <gnomefreak> mattik:  im not looking at it atm but should be
[09:58] <gnomefreak> mattik: give me a minute ill look but i have brace on hand
[09:59] <mattik> thank you :)
[10:05] <gnomefreak> what exactly are you doing? im talking to a dev about this
[10:06] <gnomefreak> System Settings -> About Me -> Paths
[10:06] <gnomefreak> that is where you should find it
[10:08] <gnomefreak> be back in a few, smoke
[10:09] <mattik> thank you :)
[10:14] <gnomefreak> is that what you were looking for?
[10:17] <mattik> gnomefreak: yes :), thank you very much
[10:17] <gnomefreak> any time
[10:20] <mattik> flash doesn't work in konqueror yet, but it worked right in firefox.
[10:22] <gnomefreak> mattik: you might have to add it in konq's prefernces
[10:22] <gnomefreak> like you do with opera
[10:22] <gnomefreak> unless kde changed that
[10:27] <mattik> it's using flashplugin-alternative, I scanned it and it installed this path automatically. It have to been flashplugin-nonfree?
[10:31] <gnomefreak> mattik: yes
[10:32] <mattik> hmm. I have to find it some other way than scanning
[10:33] <gnomefreak> update-alternatives?
[10:34] <gnomefreak> be back booting kde
[11:02] <quentusrex23> How is the new ATI linux support? within the last year
[11:03] <LSD|Ninja> Intrepid is supposed to have the open source drivers. I haven't tested them yet as the only machine I'm prepared to waste as a Linux machine has an nVidia card in it
[11:08] <quentusrex23> thanks LSD|Ninja. Do you know where I can find people to ask about the support?
[12:06] <scyrma> well, just for reference... moving my old .kde and .kde4 out of the way fixed my problems... kde4 working "fine"
[12:06]  * scyrma can happily go home now
[13:38] <mattik> Hello, Is it possible to get restricted drivers for Ati Mobility Radeon X700
[13:41] <mattik> I have installed Ubuntu Intrepid Alpha, but it said my GPU doesn't have restricted drivers possibility. In Hardy it was possible.
[15:07] <phomes> I just installed intrepid next to my hardy install. I then copied ~/.ssh over from the hardy one. But for some reason it won't accept my password. Could this be an intrepid bug or am I just doing it wrong?
[15:10] <phomes> remote version is OpenSSH_4.7p1 Debian-8ubuntu1.2 btw
[15:15] <ssam> have you checked that its not a blacklisted key?
[15:15] <ssam> or that the permissions are right
[15:15] <ssam> try running ssh with verbose output
[15:17] <phomes> yes. I made a new one after the blacklist. I tried with -v and all looks good up till it asking for my password. It works fine on hardy still
[15:19] <ssam> i have moved keys between machines and installs before without problems
[15:38] <cypherdelic> Hey guys my Keyboardbindings are totally fucked up
[15:38] <cypherdelic> cant use arrow keys properly in any application
[15:38] <cypherdelic> sry for language
[15:38] <cypherdelic> uuh
[15:39]  * cypherdelic lays down on a guilloutine and says: just do it
[15:45] <johanbr> After the last round of updates, myCtrl key no longer works in gnome. Also, keypresses don't repeat any more. Has anyone else seen this?
[15:50] <cypherdelic> bla arrow key check
[15:51] <cypherdelic> still i cant use my arrow key to go back and edit what i wrot
[15:51] <cypherdelic> :(
[15:51] <cypherdelic> i cant file a bug
[15:51] <cypherdelic> ;)
[15:53] <cypherdelic> letme do a reboot first with reconfigured keybindings
[16:08] <johanbr> It's just the arrow keys that don't repeat... weird.
[16:15] <jimmyspark> when's gnome gonna get a face lift like kde?
[16:27] <cypherdelic> NO! Still i cant use arrow keys in typing :(((((( very annoying
[16:28] <johanbr> cypherdelic: If I set the gnome keyboard preferences to "Generic" and "Evdev controlled", the arrow keys work, kind of. But they don't repeat...
[16:28] <cypherdelic> evdev controlled, hold on
[16:30] <cypherdelic> so wim reassigning with evdev managed
[16:30] <cypherdelic> now the tags are XF86
[16:30] <cypherdelic> how to delte ones i dont use? mabye thes block arrow keys
[16:31] <cypherdelic> because they have this 0x## sheme
[16:31] <johanbr> Delete what?
[16:31] <cypherdelic> a minding
[16:31] <cypherdelic> deactivate it in gnome-keybingings-properties
[16:31] <cypherdelic> binding
[16:33] <cypherdelic> i dont see any way, but switch back to Generic 105 Key and reassign the ones i use with ne bindings of the ones that i want to be delted
[16:33] <cypherdelic> then switch to ev and reconfigur the ones i use
[16:33] <cypherdelic> isnt there an easier way to deactivate a keybinding?
[16:34] <cypherdelic> :(
[16:34] <cypherdelic> oh btw arrows work, so i just ignore this old bindings, tz
[16:36] <cbr> does the new network-manager package work?
[16:38] <johanbr> cbr: Haven't tried yet, but the n-m package from the PPA works. I think they're more or less the same.
[16:38] <cbr> which ppa?
[16:39] <johanbr> https://launchpad.net/~network-manager/+archive
[16:39] <cbr> thanks
[16:42] <jtechidna> hmm, well an updated knetworkmanager isn't in Intrepid yet it seems, I guess I'll have to enable that ppa
[16:42] <cbr> that's why i was interested as well :p
[16:43] <jtechidna> it removed network-manager-kde <.<
[16:43] <cypherdelic> I remember i could switch the behauviour of running processes for example to restart (when closed) where do i do i that, i remembered it in session?
[16:44] <cbr> /var/lib/dpkg/info/network-manager.postinst: 35: /usr/share/update-notifier/notify-reboot-required: not found
[16:44] <cbr> aww crap
[16:44] <cbr> the installation failed
[16:45] <cbr> actually it didnt
[16:45] <cbr> but it sounded a warning
[16:47] <cbr> crap, it says network-manager isn't configured
[16:47] <johanbr> Edit /var/lib/dpkg/info/network-manager.postinst and comment out the notify-reboot-required line.
[16:49] <cbr> i guess it updates it
[16:49] <cbr> because the line is uncommented again
[16:50] <cbr> can i just run configure on it somehow?
[16:50] <cbr> with dpkg?
[16:50] <cbr> so it wont actually update the file from the .deb?
[16:51] <cbr> o
[16:51] <cbr> --configure
[16:52] <cbr> k, trying it out
[16:54] <lokpest> Will Ibex have kde3 in repo? I got both yes and no as ansers
[16:54] <lokpest> answers*
[16:55] <Serega> hi there
[16:56] <Serega> guys, after a recent update my arrow keys stopped to work in KDE4. Though they work fine in ttys and xev shows events
[16:57] <johanbr> Happened to me in gnome too.
[16:57] <johanbr> I wonder which package is buggy, if it happens in both kde and gnome.
[16:58] <Serega> johanbr: oh. cool...
[16:58] <Serega> let's figure out together :)
[16:59] <JontheEchidna> lokpest: Ibex will only have kde3 versions of applications where a stable version for kde4 isn't available
[16:59] <Serega> most annoying issue when coding
[16:59] <JontheEchidna> otherwise it's all kde4
[16:59] <lokpest> isnt kde3 maintained at all?
[17:00] <lokpest> I think that some folks that run kde3 and dont like kde4 might fork kde3
[17:00] <jimmyspark> kde 4 is a bit wierd
[17:00] <JontheEchidna> lol no, a fork isn't going to happen
[17:01]  * lokpest likes kde4 btw
[17:01] <jimmyspark> its not very consistent the styling
[17:01] <JontheEchidna> jimmyspark: what do you mean?
[17:02] <JontheEchidna> all the apps seem pretty consistent to me
[17:02] <jimmyspark> well the vista style styling is cool, but as soon as you hit the menu bar or move away from the desktop the widget set it totally different and much more conservative
[17:02] <JontheEchidna> ah, plasma vs rest of the destkop
[17:03] <JontheEchidna> well there are some conservative plasma themes out ther
[17:03] <cbr> yeah, seems to work well
[17:03] <cbr> can't try wifi cuz i dont have any networks available here
[17:15] <Unksi> hmm, whats up with network-manager-kde? is it getting replaced soon? :)
[17:15] <ryanakca> When I try to start X, I get '(EE) Failed to load module "nv" (module does not exist, 0) (EE) No drivers available.'  ... same thing happens with nvidia and vesa. What should I install?
[17:17] <cbr> there were rumours about there being a network-manager plasmoid in preparation
[17:17] <Unksi> ok
[17:17] <cbr> but nothing specific
[17:18] <johanbr> ryanakca: Try xserver-xorg-video-nv
[17:19] <johanbr> And xserver-xorg-video-vesa
[17:21] <ryanakca> johanbr: same problem
[17:40] <cypherdelic> OK, Arrow Keys left and right work for my now, but I still cant use the Up-Arrow to cycle through what i have said (or i.e.e terminal history)
[17:40] <cypherdelic> What he does is a Screenshot :/
[17:40] <cypherdelic> But i definetly put Screenshot to Print Key in gnome-keybinding-properties
[17:41] <cypherdelic> but that dont work on that key :/
[17:43] <cypherdelic> no matter what keys i bind to the screenshot function, it will only work with up-arrow ;X
[17:44] <ryanakca> What is intrepid's equivalend of nvidia-glx-new?
[17:44] <ryanakca> s/lend/lent/g
[17:44] <cypherdelic> nvidia-glx-1##
[17:44] <cypherdelic> ##=version you ant
[17:47] <ryanakca> cypherdelic: thanks
[17:48] <cypherdelic> now prob had the same issue when firstly rebooted into intrepid ;)
[17:50] <cypherdelic> any suggestions to my Up-Arrow key problem binding stays on Screenshot :(
[17:52] <JonPackard> Good news about bug 246067 - It seems to have been fixed in the last kernel update (2.6.26-5)!
[17:52] <JonPackard> any chance somebody else can confirm this? :)
[17:54] <bardyr> Hey, does anyone know when nm-0.7 hits the repos or if there are any pre rls debs?
[17:55] <johanbr> It's there already (but may not have hit your local mirror yet).
[19:33] <bardyr> Hey, i just upgraded (update-manager -d) to intrepid from hardy, but what ever i try to do, X will only run in low res mode.
[19:33] <bardyr> it seems like it wont even read the xorg.conf file
[19:33] <bardyr> any known issues?
[20:41] <k0p> when I can get the last intrepid iso?
[20:42] <Serega> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/intrepid/alpha-3/
[20:42] <Serega> k0p: here
[20:43] <k0p> Serega, thanks
[20:43] <k0p> another question
[20:43] <Serega> np
[20:43] <Serega> go ahead
[20:44] <k0p> packages after have advocates on revu will test on intrepid repositories?