[00:00] My keyboard is working in X after it was broken by bug #254840 but my touchpad is still not working [00:00] Launchpad bug 254840 in xorg-server "[intrepid] mouse and keyboard stop working under gdm and gnome" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/254840 [00:29] how are new versions named? Just a random adjective + animal that start with the same letter? [00:38] and hte letters are going in the order of hte alphabet now, yes. [00:39] hm, after my last update & reboot, my up arrow key asks me to save a screenshot... [00:40] the other arrow keys work right [00:40] what's this 'evdev-managed keyboard' thing that is the new default in the Keyboard applet? [00:41] interesting. [00:42] at least my mousewheel scrolls now :) [00:44] would it be safe to run Intrepid in VirtualBox? [00:45] hm, my right alt key is funkey. in setting shortcuts in applet it shows up as ISO Level3 Shift [00:46] 255008 [00:46] bug 255008 [00:46] Launchpad bug 255008 in xorg-server "Up arrow key mapped to Print [screen]" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/255008 [00:46] tanath: ^ [00:47] :) [00:47] i just reset the kb shortcut for screenshot, and it says my prtscn button is Insert [00:47] up still does that though [00:48] i would reset all keyboard settings using "defaults" button in keyboard settings applet [00:48] that fixed my keyboard issues [00:48] i did that [00:48] changed to 'evdev-managed keyboard' [00:48] i didn't do that part, still on PC105 [00:48] now i'm redoing the keyboard shortcuts in that applet [00:48] the kb shortcuts applet that is [00:49] i have to do that every time i change keyboard settings [00:49] actually, how would I even go about installing Intrepid in virtualbox? [00:49] i set my kb to microsoftinet in xorg.conf, and now it defaults to 'evdev-managed keyboard' [00:50] mbrigdan: its broken afaik [00:50] mbrigdan: that is installing it in virtualbox [00:50] mbrigdan: it even says so in the launchpad information on alpha3 download page [00:50] scizzo-: really? "Darn" [00:50] oh well [00:51] tanath: the problem it fixed for me was, key repeat wasn't working. "defaults" fixed that. [00:51] bug 246067 [00:51] your mileage may vary. [00:51] Launchpad bug 246067 in linux "Kernel panic during boot in VirtualBox with kernel 2.6.26.3-generic" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/246067 [00:51] csky_max: haven't had a prob with that yet [00:52] things seem a bit speedier too now :) [00:52] which reminds me, has anyone else had probs with facebook in firefox? [00:52] it always goes incredibly slowly since my upgrade to ibex [00:53] you could try adding firebug plugin, look for errors [00:53] hm [00:53] it's weird though, happens on old and new facebook [00:53] but when i try in another browser, it usually loads in a fraction of the time [00:54] tanath: maybe a few weeks old behavior now, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=500433 [00:54] could be facebook related too, that thread is not an intrepid user [00:54] ah, feels great to be able to finally use my scroll wheel again :D [00:55] cathartic, even [00:55] now bind it to the desktop cube... joy [00:55] lol [00:55] no need. kb works for that ;) [00:56] ctrl+alt+[left/right] [00:56] oh, wtf. that's not working now :-/ [00:57] weird [00:57] still configured right. plugin is enabled. maybe my arrow keys are more messed up than i thought [00:58] left & right work fine in text areas though [00:58] hm.. my right alt-key is really messed [00:59] ctrl+(right alt)+[left/right] = beep [00:59] left alt = nothing [00:59] works as alt though [01:00] that ubuntuforums thread is from 2k7 [01:00] this is more recent [01:01] Oops, I missed the year, sorry. [01:01] started with ibex upgrade [01:01] hehe [01:01] I'd definitely toss Firebug into your plugins and see what errors on page it shows [01:01] "chugging" shouldn't happen [01:02] woohoo, my scroll wheel and thumb buttons work :D [01:03] i be happy now [01:03] now i just need an up key [01:06] someone should make a plugin like desktop cube, except the cube should be a helicopter [01:06] that would be awesome [01:06] I don't know how you would make the desktops to it though [01:06] *map [01:07] o.O [01:07] hm, now that firebug is installed, FB is fast again [01:08] reasonably quick anyway [01:11] oh, another thing. the other day after previous x server update, i lost my mouse & keyboard 'cause they weren't configured in xorg.conf [01:11] had to boot from livecd to fix [01:12] since i get no video output when switching to virtual terminals [01:12] and when booting [01:19] I try not to ever touch xorg.conf [01:19] It always ends in tears [01:19] lol [01:20] occasionally it ends happily :P [01:20] I've constructed them from scratch back when you had to. Now, if Ubuntu doesn't make it right for me, I slap Ubuntu till it does. [01:20] like now my mouse works properly [01:20] lol [01:21] it fails now though. i had left it to determine its own defaults or whatever, and they at least had some functionality [01:22] but without keyboard & mouse configured, i ended up at login screen with no mouse or keyboard [01:23] anyone heard of CRAMES? [01:24] http://spectrum.ieee.org/aug08/6479 [01:25] researchers tweaked linux on a PDA to effectively double it's RAM [01:25] by setting aside some RAM for compressed RAM [01:28] "We were thinking only of embedded systems when we first engineered CRAMES. But since then we've also been working on some exciting possibilities involving general-purpose computers (which might allow us to compress our acronym for this data compression, fittingly enough, to CRAM)." [01:30] hmm, but doesn't compression and decompression _always_ cause a performance hit somewhere? [01:30] it's very slight [01:30] makes sense [01:31] "Indeed, our testing revealed that ripping out this much memory results in a performance penalty of just 0.2 percent on average and 9.2 percent in the worst case." [01:31] you could also try to do all the compression when they wouldn't notice, such as during low loads [01:31] except that doesn't really work with ram [01:32] usually high load = high ram usage [01:33] i'm wondering if they've released their tweaks, and if they can be implemented. i wouldn't mind effectively doubling my memory for free :P [01:34] would probably need to be implemented into the kernel though [01:34] yeah [01:35] but this CRAMES algorithm has already been used in a smartphone that's on the market... [01:36] you could find their patent, and um, "borrow" some ideas. I think using a patent in free software is allowed to some degree. [01:36] so doesn't that mean the code must be open/available? [01:36] I don't think so [01:36] patents are tricky [01:36] especially in the US [01:36] hm.. [01:36] i wasn't thinking about patents, i was just thinking about how it was done with linux [01:37] so the could would have to be free [01:37] in Sweden for example, you can't patent software, because it is the product of an algorithm [01:37] yeah, the US has a big battle in that area [01:38] in canada, there is no laws related to software copyright [01:38] hmm, my right ctrl key is messed up [01:38] so bring it out in canada :D [01:38] they "could" sue you for lost profits, but they would need to prove it [01:39] if i hold down the right ctrl key, it repeats [01:39] i just figured this out because i have google desktop, which uses ctrl+ctrl... [01:39] The government is trying to bring in killer DCMA laws though, and I really, really, want the bill to be killed [01:39] same [01:40] that's politics for you [01:40] big business has the influence [01:40] Although, its still presued at the request of the copy holder, so it still might not be that effective [01:40] trying to use the law to prop up failing business models [01:41] one can hope... [01:41] I hope the bill dies, preferably violently [01:41] but in the end it'll be inevitable. the business model will fail [01:41] it's growing pains right now, methinks [01:41] I mean, to some degree, you need copyright laws [01:41] but that bill is too much [01:41] not _necessarily_ [01:42] the internet and other technologies are changing the way things are done [01:42] seriously, we have next to no laws on software up here, its not the most conductive to releasing costly software if its legal to share it with all your friends [01:42] it is changing though [01:43] it would be awesome if everything was free, but thats a bit overly utopian [01:43] when everything can be represented as information, and information can be copied freely... [01:43] without economic penalty [01:43] that's a game changer if ever there was one [01:43] yup [01:44] especially with things like the new personal fabs / 3d printers [01:44] Me and a friend once designed a society where everything was free for a school project [01:44] oh? [01:44] price would simply take a different meaning, methinks [01:44] it survived by selling code to the rest of the world [01:44] money is really just representative... [01:45] hm [01:45] but you needed an IQ over 130 to join though, so it was a little restrictive [01:45] i thought you meant, like a global society [01:45] hah [01:45] nope [01:45] that would be harder [01:45] in 150 years, maybe everyone could be a part :P [01:46] maybe [01:46] unless you think the "singularity" is coming, and nearer [01:47] a UK company designed a system of hunter killer drones and satellites called SkyNet... [01:47] if you've seen terminator... [01:47] gah, need to find my XP setup disk [01:48] hopefully VirtualBox will have better compatibility than wine [02:08] damnit, i need my up key back :P [02:25] arg, i did something to cause imwheel to startup when X does, but i forget what [02:26] that's what was causing my scroll wheel to not work [02:26] it crashed and that's why my scroll wheel worked. [02:27] thats a little strange [02:27] ubuntu uses the generic linux kernel right? === csky_max is now known as csky_max_afk [02:29] nvm [02:29] imwheel config [02:29] my up key works again too [02:45] whats the ubuntu+2 channel for? [02:46] Is there one? [02:46] yes [02:46] invite only [02:46] Then it's not official. [02:47] actually, it forwards here [02:47] hmm [02:47] ok, thats really odd [02:48] I was kick due to invite only before, but now it just forwards here [02:48] whatever... [03:24] cool, virtual box seems to simulate windows fine [03:24] now I can play all those games that don't run in wine [03:26] mbrigdan: With any form of 3d acceleration? [03:26] I'm not sure [03:26] I'm pretty sure the answer is "no". [03:27] doesn't it emulate _everything_ though? So it would work, just not very fast. [03:29] It does indeed emulate everything. But the video card that it emulates doesn't do 3d. [03:29] gerr [03:29] oh well [03:30] better than 10,000 FIXME: blah blah errors [03:30] And you really wouldn't want emulated 3d, anyway. It'd be unusable. [03:30] cool, wine can play halo [03:31] I notice that I haven't been nailed for being totally off-topic yet, so is it safe to say the #ubuntu+1 is a lot more relaxed than #ubuntu? [03:32] mbrigdan: Yes. Because it's lower-traffic. [03:32] much lower traffic [03:32] Should anyone actually be talking in here the tolerance for off-topic will go down. [03:34] makes sense [03:35] where would I look if I wanted to do some _very_ light development? [03:36] Development into what? [03:36] Development _of_ what, I mean. [03:37] um [03:37] If you want to help Ubuntu, it's pretty easy to do some packaging fixes; #ubuntu-motu would be the place to start. [03:37] anything that doesn't have a deadline [03:37] !contribute [03:37] To contribute and help out with Ubuntu, see http://www.ubuntu.com/community/participate [03:37] That link is also good for Ubuntu :) [03:42] do anybody know how to help me fix the Genius Mousepen 8x6 issue, and plus how do I install VMware in my latest ubuntu? === DanaG1 is now known as DanaG [04:03] on the SkyRocket screen saver, how can I use the keyboard commands that supposedly come with it? [04:07] mbrigdan: I doubt that they are active when it's used as a screensaver. [04:07] hmm [04:07] you know how I could change the settings for a screen saver? [04:07] I can't seem to find a way [04:07] mbrigdan: You help me work on launchpad.net/screensaver-settings [04:08] mbrigdan: The short answer is that you edit (or copy) a .desktop file in /usr/share/applications/screensavers [04:08] >.> [04:08] you would think someone would have coded an interface [04:08] its a rather useful feature [04:09] Language: C# ?? Isn't C# a windows only thing? [04:09] if only [04:10] crdlb: I'd have preferred to write it in python, but the guy who started it knew C#. [04:10] the prophet Icaza has brought it to us in the form of Mono ;) [04:10] RAOF: vala :P [04:10] vala != CIL [04:10] I only really know C++, is that similar to C#? [04:10] vala ~= C# though [04:11] I sorta know python [04:11] mbrigdan: thankfully, no [04:11] I want to learn is a better word [04:11] (for my knowledge of python) [04:11] mbrigdan: C++ is not unlike C#. C#, java, C++ share fairly similar syntax. [04:11] (more of a phrase than a word) [04:11] ah [04:11] C# is much simpler than C++, and it's basically a java clone [04:12] Seeing the reaction to C#, I don't think I really want or need to learn it [04:12] Right. No turing-complete type system, for example. [04:12] mbrigdan: crdlb's reaction is not typical. [04:12] * RAOF really likes the idea of the CLI, C# isn't a bad language, and the standard library isn't totally rubbish. [04:12] actually, I've seen a few more people than him react that way [04:13] lots of people seem to harbour a dislike to it [04:13] RAOF: the truth is that GLib is the One True Standard Library at least for me [04:13] There certainly is a vocal minority, yes. [04:13] honestly, I get sick of python sometimes because of how many things it lacks compared to glib [04:13] crdlb: GLib is awesome for C. But I won't write any gui code in C. [04:14] a good example: g_get_user_config_dir [04:14] * mbrigdan googles GLib [04:14] Hell, yes. [04:15] There's python-xdg or something, but glib is nicely XDG compliant. [04:15] and python-xdg means no windows support [04:15] System.Environment.GetSpecialDir(UserConfigDir) [04:17] holy crap, my firefox is using 162MB of memory [04:18] only 162? :P [04:18] Only 162 Mb? [04:19] haha, I was going to say it too, but I refrained [04:23] hehe, your's use more? [04:27] is it bad that cpuburn can heat my system up to about 60-63C? (Depending on room temperature) [04:28] No. That'd be considered very cool for some systems. [04:28] awesome [04:36] Oh yeah, rss-glx needs to use NICE and use fps limit. [04:36] Otherwise, it's way CPU-rapeagey. [04:36] And it looks rather horrid, too. [04:37] DanaG: DEBDIFF! [04:37] :) === DanaG1 is now known as DanaG [05:09] Interesting.... [05:09] pulseaudio from iwl3945->ipw2200 works better than pulseaudio from iwl3945->wired [05:09] (through the router on the latter, of course.) [05:12] Now, if only I could think of an actual use for that.... [05:12] My best speakers are the ones hooked to my cardbus sound card... which is in the laptop that has most of my music. [06:53] how's the weather like in KDE 4.1 in Intrepid? I've been holding on kde from Hardy, but with the latest libs a few keys don't work anymore.. (like arrow up!) [06:53] so I might go for the full upgrade [06:55] Oh my god. I could kiss the Ibex devs. [06:55] My mighty mouse works. [06:55] It works without me having to DO anything. [06:56] funny.. mine just stopped working in kdm :( [06:56] well, I'm a gnome user. [06:56] :) [06:56] this is literally the first time I've been able to get it working on anything other than a mac. [06:56] I might become one .. [06:57] scyrma: Linus' opinion aside, I rather enjoy gnome. [06:58] there's something strange happening.. when I press "arrow up", it starts ksnapshot.. [06:58] scyrma: KDE works, for a sufficiently loose definition of works. [06:58] scyrma: funny keybindings? [06:58] looked that up, nothing changed since yesterday.. [06:58] * RAOF 's definition of "works" seems fairly strictly aligned with "does things like GNOME", actually. [06:59] RAOF, I guess it's time I see for myself, I guess [06:59] I kinda liked my setup, so .. a bit afraid of change, strangely [06:59] sounds like "1+1=3 for sufficiently large values of 1" [07:00] * scyrma types the dreaded aptitude line [07:00] I literally just got hardy right where I wanted it today, but when I heard that my mighty mouse bug was fixed in intrepid ibex, I had to switch. [07:03] OH MY GOD! Suspend/resume works! [07:03] hehe, I didn't even get connected from ssh! [07:03] I'm pleased as punch. [08:43] Hello, In intrepid I got this error in KDE starting: The file or folder /home/mattik/Desktop/ does not exist. [08:44] Is it fixed in kde 4.2 or is it coming to Intrepid? [09:38] Hello, In intrepid I got this error in KDE starting: The file or folder /home/mattik/Desktop/ does not exist. [09:40] mattik: does ~/Desktop work? [09:42] gnomefreak: Hello, It is same error as before this /home/Desktop is different place as Desktp I see. I heared this is some property [09:43] I mean /home/mattik/Desktop [09:43] mattik: im sorry its early here. what do you mean? [09:43] with ~/Desktop gives same error? [09:44] Oh sorry [09:44] I haven't got Desktop [09:44] folder [09:45] It's Työpöytä, finnish [09:46] Maybe localization is not ready yet [09:47] I have to change some environment variable? [09:52] gnomefreak: I think you use gnome :) But do you remeber where is file where I have to change Desktop to Työpöytä. It's under .kde maybe? [09:52] mattik: i use 4 or 5 DE including kde3 and 4 [09:52] ok [09:53] mattik: yes its in ~/.kde [09:53] if you haave a ~/.kde4 than use that. im not sure if that transfer is finished yet [09:56] is it under share folder [09:57] I mean /.kde/share [09:58] mattik: im not looking at it atm but should be [09:58] mattik: give me a minute ill look but i have brace on hand [09:59] thank you :) [10:05] what exactly are you doing? im talking to a dev about this [10:06] System Settings -> About Me -> Paths [10:06] that is where you should find it [10:08] be back in a few, smoke [10:09] thank you :) [10:14] is that what you were looking for? [10:17] gnomefreak: yes :), thank you very much [10:17] any time [10:20] flash doesn't work in konqueror yet, but it worked right in firefox. [10:22] mattik: you might have to add it in konq's prefernces [10:22] like you do with opera [10:22] unless kde changed that [10:27] it's using flashplugin-alternative, I scanned it and it installed this path automatically. It have to been flashplugin-nonfree? [10:31] mattik: yes [10:32] hmm. I have to find it some other way than scanning [10:33] update-alternatives? [10:34] be back booting kde [11:02] How is the new ATI linux support? within the last year [11:03] Intrepid is supposed to have the open source drivers. I haven't tested them yet as the only machine I'm prepared to waste as a Linux machine has an nVidia card in it [11:08] thanks LSD|Ninja. Do you know where I can find people to ask about the support? === Terry is now known as Guest60846 [12:06] well, just for reference... moving my old .kde and .kde4 out of the way fixed my problems... kde4 working "fine" [12:06] * scyrma can happily go home now === jtechidna is now known as JontheEchidna [13:38] Hello, Is it possible to get restricted drivers for Ati Mobility Radeon X700 [13:41] I have installed Ubuntu Intrepid Alpha, but it said my GPU doesn't have restricted drivers possibility. In Hardy it was possible. [15:07] I just installed intrepid next to my hardy install. I then copied ~/.ssh over from the hardy one. But for some reason it won't accept my password. Could this be an intrepid bug or am I just doing it wrong? [15:10] remote version is OpenSSH_4.7p1 Debian-8ubuntu1.2 btw [15:15] have you checked that its not a blacklisted key? [15:15] or that the permissions are right [15:15] try running ssh with verbose output [15:17] yes. I made a new one after the blacklist. I tried with -v and all looks good up till it asking for my password. It works fine on hardy still [15:19] i have moved keys between machines and installs before without problems [15:38] Hey guys my Keyboardbindings are totally fucked up [15:38] cant use arrow keys properly in any application [15:38] sry for language [15:38] uuh [15:39] * cypherdelic lays down on a guilloutine and says: just do it [15:45] After the last round of updates, myCtrl key no longer works in gnome. Also, keypresses don't repeat any more. Has anyone else seen this? [15:50] bla arrow key check [15:51] still i cant use my arrow key to go back and edit what i wrot [15:51] :( [15:51] i cant file a bug [15:51] ;) [15:53] letme do a reboot first with reconfigured keybindings === stefanlsdx is now known as stefanlsd [16:08] It's just the arrow keys that don't repeat... weird. [16:15] when's gnome gonna get a face lift like kde? === stefanlsdx is now known as stefanlsd [16:27] NO! Still i cant use arrow keys in typing :(((((( very annoying [16:28] cypherdelic: If I set the gnome keyboard preferences to "Generic" and "Evdev controlled", the arrow keys work, kind of. But they don't repeat... [16:28] evdev controlled, hold on [16:30] so wim reassigning with evdev managed [16:30] now the tags are XF86 [16:30] how to delte ones i dont use? mabye thes block arrow keys [16:31] because they have this 0x## sheme [16:31] Delete what? [16:31] a minding [16:31] deactivate it in gnome-keybingings-properties [16:31] binding [16:33] i dont see any way, but switch back to Generic 105 Key and reassign the ones i use with ne bindings of the ones that i want to be delted [16:33] then switch to ev and reconfigur the ones i use [16:33] isnt there an easier way to deactivate a keybinding? [16:34] :( [16:34] oh btw arrows work, so i just ignore this old bindings, tz [16:36] does the new network-manager package work? [16:38] cbr: Haven't tried yet, but the n-m package from the PPA works. I think they're more or less the same. [16:38] which ppa? [16:39] https://launchpad.net/~network-manager/+archive [16:39] thanks [16:42] hmm, well an updated knetworkmanager isn't in Intrepid yet it seems, I guess I'll have to enable that ppa [16:42] that's why i was interested as well :p [16:43] it removed network-manager-kde <.< [16:43] I remember i could switch the behauviour of running processes for example to restart (when closed) where do i do i that, i remembered it in session? === jtechidna is now known as JontheEchidna [16:44] /var/lib/dpkg/info/network-manager.postinst: 35: /usr/share/update-notifier/notify-reboot-required: not found [16:44] aww crap [16:44] the installation failed [16:45] actually it didnt [16:45] but it sounded a warning [16:47] crap, it says network-manager isn't configured [16:47] Edit /var/lib/dpkg/info/network-manager.postinst and comment out the notify-reboot-required line. [16:49] i guess it updates it [16:49] because the line is uncommented again [16:50] can i just run configure on it somehow? [16:50] with dpkg? [16:50] so it wont actually update the file from the .deb? [16:51] o [16:51] --configure [16:52] k, trying it out [16:54] Will Ibex have kde3 in repo? I got both yes and no as ansers [16:54] answers* [16:55] hi there [16:56] guys, after a recent update my arrow keys stopped to work in KDE4. Though they work fine in ttys and xev shows events [16:57]