[00:00] * persia has a few things in /usr/share/icons, http://paste.ubuntu.com/34919/ is the package list. Everything seems to be in subdirectories. [00:00] k0p: also, please install the html (with it's images and everyting) in usr/share/doc/umit/html [00:02] RainCT, ok. so I need to fix it again [00:02] RainCT, if I lost advocate I fix icons too. [00:02] k0p: I've done some little changes - I'm uploading them now so that you can see a diff and check if you are happy with them [00:02] persia: I have those inside hicolor/??x??/apps/ directories === ktvbot is now known as Kopfgeldjaeger [00:04] RainCT, I don't have. [00:04] so RainCT only fix html path? [00:04] k0p: http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/diff.py?upid1=3212&upid2=3213 [00:04] k0p: Just fix, even though it costs you an advocate. Most of those that do REVU watch this channel, and are less likely to give you a second ack with known issues. Further, any of them can also cancel your advocation with a comment. [00:05] persia, so fix the icons and html right? [00:05] RainCT: I have a direct /usr/share/icons/application-default-icon.png, and 17directories full of various stuff. === evand is now known as evand|vacation [00:05] k0p: If you fix it, RainCT will likely give you back the advocation. If you don't, he might just comment and cancel your previous advocation :) [00:06] of course. [00:06] * persia hasn't reviewed the package, but very much doesn't think not updating because it might cost advocation makes any sense when the person suggesting the changes could override the advocation anyway... [00:06] but RainCT fix it in the diff [00:06] RainCT, do you fix it? [00:07] k0p: the html one no (wasn't sure how to do that) [00:07] and about the icons I still don't know if they are allowed to be there or not [00:07] RainCT, I'm seeing [00:07] I don't need ico [00:07] on ubuntu [00:07] so i'll remove it [00:07] it solves two problems. :) [00:07] oh. why do you install them if they aren't necessary? o_O [00:08] well I'm looking the umit code [00:08] I don't totally sure yet [00:08] but may be it's [00:08] wait please [00:09] RainCT, lacks a setup patch [00:09] I need to change html dir ;) [00:09] RainCT, can you wait 10 minutes? [00:09] I'll made necessary fixes. ok? [00:09] persia, thanks for you words :) [00:10] * RainCT is asking about the icons in #ubuntu-desktop [00:11] yeap because it's needed [00:11] k0p: Uhm, I think I'm going to bed (I wouldn't feel happy uploading while I'm half asleep anyway ;)), but I'll leave REVU open on a tab and look at it tomorrow morning [00:12] good night all [00:12] RainCT, ok. [00:12] RainCT, i'll fix it. [00:12] tomorrow if you can see it [00:12] please :) [00:12] good night [00:13] cy [00:31] Quick question. How many characters long can the short description in debian/control be? I know this is listed on some wiki page, but I am currently unable to locate that page. [00:35] nhandler: Debian policay says ~80 chars or less === zooko is now known as zookoafk [00:36] what needs to happen for this package to get to hardy? http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=screenruler [00:37] Thank you bobbo. [00:37] it would need to enter intrepid first and then be built for hardy-backports [00:37] nothing can go into hardy proper now. [00:38] crimsun: new apps can't be made available in the repos of hardy? [00:39] ianm_: correct. [00:39] do you know why that is? I mean that app was written on Hardy :) [00:39] hardy is frozen; anything new has to go into hardy-{proposed,updates}, hardy-security, or hardy-backports [00:40] ianm_: it's because nothing new (source package-wise) can enter a frozen pool [00:40] is that to maintain some sort of sanity for past releases? so they don't keep developing new problems? [00:42] hello [00:45] ianm_: yes (to the first). [00:46] crimsun: understandable. frustrating though (as an app developer) [00:50] jcastro: around? [00:50] oh-- I'd like to connect with a specific launchpad developer, he works for canonical, maybe he's in here (I'm bad with names...)-- I had lunch with you at OSCON, spanish on my shirt, give a shout if you're around [00:50] jcastro: why do we haven't had Ubuntu Open Week this release still? [00:52] err [00:52] DeveloperWeek [00:55] nxvl: pong ? [00:56] ianm_, kiko maybe? [00:57] emgent: check your mail [00:57] will do :) [00:58] emgent: i CCed you something i will like you to reply [00:58] :P [00:58] beuno: did he do the OSCON presentation on launchpad? [00:58] ianm_, yeap. Him (Christian Reis) and Rinchen (Joey Stanford) [00:59] beuno: were there any other canonical employees there? [00:59] ianm_, I don't know, I wasn't there :) [00:59] ianm_: there were a few I think, was he Brazilian? [00:59] nxvl: yeah i saw. will do :) [00:59] james_w: no [01:00] ianm_: http://en.oreilly.com/oscon2008/public/schedule/proceedings. Scroll down and you will see the Launchpad presentation. It only lists Kiki and Joey [01:00] ianm_: American? [01:00] Here is a direct link ianm_: http://en.oreilly.com/oscon2008/public/schedule/detail/3456 [01:00] nxvl: good luck :) [01:00] huats: thank you! I'm scared as hell [01:01] I am sure it'll be OK [01:01] :) [01:01] I would have +1 you but it is useless :) [01:02] james_w: yeah [01:03] ianm_: if it's Joey his picture is on the second link nhandler gave you [01:03] yeah that's him [01:03] huats: heh [01:03] huats: i apreciate it anyway :D [01:04] this has got to be the most helpful irc channel I've ever been in ;) [01:08] RainCT: thanks, i've updated on revu [01:20] ever I think that my package doesn't have issue some one discover ones.. :o lol [01:25] * ScottK wonders if "The Software shall be used for Good, not Evil" in the license means it has to go in multiverse [01:25] k0p: clear lesson: never think that, and there will never be any problems [01:26] ianm_, yeap.. [01:26] you're right :) === milosz_ is now known as deadchip [01:45] nxvl: there's one this cycle yes, probably won't announce dates and such until after the global bug jam [01:52] jcastro: awesome! [01:52] jcastro: you ROCK [01:53] nxvl: it's you guys that make it rock, I'm just a glorified calendar, heh [01:54] jcastro: :D [01:55] jcastro: the initial push is always the hardest [01:59] hehe [02:11] emgent: can you please take a look at Bug 255367 [02:11] Launchpad bug 255367 in dovecot "update-rc.d: warning: multiuser is deprecated; specify runlevels manually" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/255367 === superm1|away is now known as superm1 [04:07] any able to check to see if my package made it to revu? [04:07] I checked the site but it hasnt showed up and I sent it about an hour ago [04:08] What was the dput line you used? [04:08] dput revu my-package_source.changes [04:09] Ok. And it was PGP signed for sure? [04:09] yes [04:09] I have had packages revu'd before [04:11] ion_, the package is mythbuntu-log-grabber [04:15] ion_, any thoughts? [04:17] * ScottK gives nxvl a smack. [04:20] I’ve got nothing. [04:23] I got a comment on a recent revu that it FTBFS. I am unable to replicate that error. [04:23] Can anyone take a minute and try to build this: http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?upid=3187 [04:23] += please [04:29] tbielawa: it builds for me too [04:29] you may want to ask them how they built it [04:29] it may be something to do with build/clean interactions or something [04:29] james_w, thanks for testing that for me. I'll ask for how they built it when I submit my next upload [04:30] or even trying to build on a filesystem mounted noexec [04:30] do people do that? perhaps RainCT's home dir is mounted in that way. [04:34] I doubt it [04:34] it's a possibility though [04:34] any one here able to look at the revu system and see if my package is stuck? [04:34] it's not a supported way to build a package there though [04:34] s/there// [04:38] james_w: You are up late. [04:40] TheMuso: yep, day off tomorrow, and a weekend away, so I'm practising staying up :-) [04:40] james_w: hahaha sounds good. :p [04:41] time to crash though [04:41] bye TheMuso [04:43] james_w: Enjoy your time off. [04:45] regarding man pages: I'm packaging a game, the game takes no command line options, is a man page going to be required anyway? [04:47] Yes. [04:48] :) [04:55] ScottK: what are you applying the patch against? [04:56] ScottK: the courier one [04:56] ScottK: it's a debian new version vs merged version patch [04:57] any one here able to look at the revu system and see if my package is stuck? [04:58] foxbuntu: have you attempted to upload it again? [05:00] tbielawa, I havent, no [05:01] foxbuntu: might as well give it a try I think [05:02] tbielawa, alright === ApOgEE- is now known as Ap0g33 === Ap0g33 is now known as ApOgEE === ApOgEE is now known as ApOgEE- [05:31] tbielawa, no luck [05:32] tbielawa, any other help you can offer? [05:35] foxbuntu: I wish I could, I haven't got any administrative right to though. Sorry :( [05:36] o/ tbielawa long time no see [05:36] RoAkSoAx, hi to you! [05:36] tbielawa, thanks anyways [05:36] tbielawa, how is it being going for ya? [05:37] foxbuntu: did you merge your old REVU account and the new Openid one? [05:37] foxbuntu: Which package? [05:37] myhbuntu-log-grabber? [05:38] persia, yes [05:38] can anyone review http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=plasmoid-qalculate please :) [05:38] RoAkSoAx, things are well. School begins in about two weeks, I just started a free software club! lp.net/~fsag [05:38] fabrice_sp, I may not have [05:38] foxbuntu: What's your LP page? [05:38] tbielawa, cool, i'm already an engineer, supported my thesis 3 weeks ago :) [05:39] congrats RoAkSoAx [05:39] ! [05:39] ty :) [05:39] persia: how did you check the queue? with REVU admin superpowers or it's open to public? [05:39] persia, nickj-fox [05:39] nxvl: REVU admin superpowers [05:40] superpowers are kewl [05:40] haha [05:41] nxvl, you back already? [05:41] RoAkSoAx: cdbs, you lazy! [05:42] RoAkSoAx: yeah, i'm in PdM again [05:42] persia, https://launchpad.net/~nickj-fox [05:43] nxvl, i was following the example of others plamoids so... i'll work on other packages later :) i need to finish task of watchfiles/updates :P [05:44] RoAkSoAx: your package doesn't have a watch file [05:44] RoAkSoAx: you should add one [05:45] nxvl, i've tried but cant get the download hrefs from kde-look.org [05:46] then try harder [05:46] :D [05:46] will do :P [05:47] atta'boy! [05:49] foxbuntu: What do you get locally with `gpg --verify mythbuntu-log-grabber_0.1-0ubuntu1_source.changes`? 22D78758 seems to be in the keyring, but manual processing results in a ValidationFAILED!! message. [05:50] well i'm tired, bye all [05:50] persia, nick@work-lappy:~/Desktop/mythbuntu_branches$ gpg --verify mythbuntu-log-grabber_0.1-0ubuntu1_source.changes [05:50] gpg: Signature made Wed 06 Aug 2008 08:47:43 PM CDT using DSA key ID 22D78758 [05:50] gpg: Good signature from "Nick Fox " [05:50] foxbuntu: Extra strange. I'm really not sure why it doesn't work. [05:51] I wonder if this is related to an issue I had with revu today. [05:51] I'll put it back in the queue, and we can see what happens automatically: maybe my manual attempt broke it. [05:51] I went and did a wget -x on my latest .dsc uploaded there and it couldn't verify the upload [05:53] persia, alright I'll wait a bit longer, let me know if you want me to push it again [05:53] persia: can you please try to apply the patch against debian package and reopen the bug if it works on https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/254681 [05:53] Launchpad bug 254681 in courier "please merge courier 0.60.0-1 from debian sid" [Undecided,Incomplete] [05:57] persia, awesome...its in now [05:57] persia, you could look at it an try for an ACK too if you like ;) [05:57] foxbuntu: In that case, the failure was related to your key and account: having fixed your account, it just needed to be put back in queue. My attempt to manually jam it in place was apparently using a now deprecated procedure. [05:58] persia, ok thanks [05:58] * persia may, but is currently catching up on ~6 hours of communications backlog [05:59] persia, no big deal...thanks for your help [06:01] * RAOF is extremely glad he's inside, and not out in the thunderstorm. [06:02] RAOF: where are you based? [06:02] Sunny Sydney [06:02] * nxvl want's to visit Australia [06:03] It's kinda fun watching the windows bulge in as the thunder hits. [06:03] has anyone used manedit for building man pages? does anyone have suggestions for other utilities to use? [06:03] Dear lord. Hibernate works! [06:03] i have [06:03] once [06:03] lol [06:03] long time ago [06:03] tbielawa: I've generally used docbook & docbook2x to generate manpages. [06:04] it's cool and easy, as far as i remember [06:04] i generally ask upstream for manpages [06:04] <- lazy [06:05] nxvl: cool and easy? I wish it were _fun_ an easy :) [06:05] cool is in some degree fun [06:05] :) [06:06] but manpages aren't fun at all [06:06] :(\ [06:06] I was writing one for a utility I wrote for my workplace. Writing as in: by hand. It made [ !cool && !easy && !fun ] true [06:07] why? by hand is cooler, easier and less PITA than using tools [06:08] * nxvl hates using tools for formatting stuff [06:08] what i would do is: take a manpage and edit it's content [06:08] nice and easy [06:09] :) [06:11] RAOF: Interesting. We got rain up here, but no storms. [06:11] interesting: [06:11] public domain license [06:11] ack [06:12] $ manedit [06:12] Segmentation fault [06:12] heh [06:12] Seg faults are always fun [06:12] but at some points can drive you crazy [06:13] good morning [06:13] d'morning dholbach [06:13] hi tbielawa [06:14] dholbach: do you recall me mentioning that my office names servers after motu and main devs? [06:14] tbielawa: yes, I do - I still recall you saying "dholbach is about to be replaced" or something along those lines [06:15] dholbach: :p [06:15] well, the dholbach tftpserver has been virtualized, not depricated ;) [06:15] dholbach: hi! [06:16] tbielawa: man, those were the proudest 5 minutes of my life.... until you told me 'dholbach' was about to be replaced [06:16] hey nxvl [06:17] sorry about that dholbach. you're still loved @wvu CS department yet though :) [06:17] tbielawa: I'm idly curious if there is a 'stevenk' server [06:17] what> [06:17] tbielawa: your servers have our names (i still don't think one's got my) [06:17] tbielawa: that's good to hear :) === fabrice_sp_ is now known as fabrice_sp [06:17] tbielawa: Is the list of machines public? [06:18] someone need to blog about this [06:18] persia: it's not publicised anywhere, but I can aggregate a list pretty quickly :) === fabrice_ is now known as fabrice_sp [06:19] nxvl: looks like everybody likes your video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SLpoi5PlFP8) :-) [06:21] wow [06:21] 1220 people has saw my video in about 3 days? [06:22] nxvl: re segfaults, like failing hardware? :p [06:22] yeah, and like 250 in the first 15 minutes - that was amazing [06:22] \o/ [06:22] * dholbach hugs nxvl [06:22] * nxvl HUGS dholbach back [06:30] http://csee.wvu.edu/~tbielawa/servers_of_fame [06:30] names collected from the planet.ubuntu blog [06:31] minus a few obvious ones here and there... [06:32] like torvalds? [06:32] and murdock [06:32] ;) [06:33] dholbach: are you going to debconf? [06:34] my manager estated the law of server naming. He was a debian maintainer/contributer for DRBD back in the day === superm1 is now known as superm1|away [06:39] nxvl: no, I'm not [06:42] it's kind of long way from berlin :P [06:43] wgrant: thanks. [06:43] nxvl: doko is going (from Berlin :-)) [06:45] i wanted to go, but i make a misunderstunding on the sponsorship thing i didn't confirm [06:45] :( [06:45] so, no debconf for me this year [06:45] woohoo \o/ launchpad show all the e-mails again [06:53] dholbach: would you do me a favor [06:53] nxvl: I can try [06:53] dholbach: can you please try to apply patch on https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/courier/+bug/254681 against debian package and confir is it patchs [06:53] Launchpad bug 254681 in courier "please merge courier 0.60.0-1 from debian sid" [Undecided,Incomplete] [06:54] confirm* [06:54] nxvl: you mean if the patch applies? [06:54] yep [06:54] not to review the patch [06:54] just to check if the patch applies to the debian package [06:54] hang on a sec [06:56] nxvl: applies cleanly [06:56] hi ara [06:56] dholbach: ok, can you please reopen the bug report [06:57] hm? [06:57] dholbach: ScottK closes it as incomplete since he said it doesn't apply [06:57] I thought it was set to Incomplete? [06:57] Incomplete isn't closed [06:57] dholbach: sorry for interruption. But just a little ping onthe bug report I filed yesterday on 5-a-day [06:57] if you havent seen it yet [06:57] StevenK: yeah, but for sponsoring queue it is [06:57] :D [06:57] or kind of [06:57] Invalid would be closed. Incomplete is "more information" [06:57] dholbach: and Thank you! [06:58] tuxmaniac: I've seen it, but I just got up and am triaging my inbox [06:58] tuxmaniac: so it will take a while until I get to it [06:58] StevenK: and actually incomplete bugs are deleted, so they are kind of closed [06:58] dholbach: no no. I just wanted to confirm you have seen it. Just a little ping thats it. [06:58] tuxmaniac: yes, got it [06:59] morning all [06:59] well [06:59] i need to go back to work tomorrow [06:59] i hate the end of holidays [06:59] :( [07:00] i really need a FOSS related work [07:00] i hate suits [07:00] read you tomorrow [07:00] dholbach: thank you again! [07:00] np :) [07:01] * nxvl HUGS everyone [07:06] Help, I has been hugged. [07:06] http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=compcache-setup anyone? :-) [07:42] good morning [07:43] I am packaging navit for http://launchpad.net/~openstreetmap/+archive [07:43] there are several different guis available: gtk, cegui... [07:43] navit needs at least one in order to run [07:44] I would split the package into several plugin packages (the guis are actually plugins as far as I can see for no) [07:45] silwol: multiple binary packages would make sense: that way users only need to install what they need. [07:45] persia: how should the dependencies look like? [07:46] persia: should there be one package called navit which depends on navit-gui-gtk for example? [07:46] I would expect the GUIs to Depends: on the core, and the core to Recommends each of the GUIs with a | relation [07:46] is there an easy way that the user can just choose to install navit and get the default (currently gtk) gui? [07:47] Rather, nvait-gui-gtk depends on navit (as the GUI isn't going to work without the software), and navit Recommends: navit-gui-gtk | navit-gui-cegui | ... [07:48] You could have a virtual navit-gui, and have navit Recommend navit-gui, and each of the GUIs Provide: navit-gui, but this makes a new virtual package, and somehow I feel that new virtual packages should only go in Debian unless they are critical to Ubuntu in some way. [07:49] well, I will send an email to the debian-gis mailing list anyway. [07:49] it is just to have packages for now [07:49] in the ppa [07:50] would it be possible to have some meta-package which contains all the dependencies to a minimal set of packages that run? [07:54] You could, but I would expect that installing navit would do that in Recommends. [07:54] Alternately, installing navit-gui-gtk should get me the GUI and navit, so I can run things. [08:29] Any Kubuntu users here who would like to post the output of "echo $DESKTOP_SESSION"? [08:31] RAOF: default, but I'm no Kubuntu user :-P [08:31] * StevenK hides [08:31] StevenK: That's the output? That's less helpful than I was hoping for. [08:31] steven@liquified:~% echo $DESKTOP_SESSION [08:31] default [08:31] Crap. [08:32] There goes the simple xdg-open fix :( [08:32] :( [08:32] You're in gnome, aren't you? [08:32] I am [08:32] Why doesn't that say "gnome" then, damnit! [08:33] mine says default as well (running gnome) [08:33] The fact that mine says 'gnome' is obviously a local artefact. [08:33] Oh. Are either of you running Intrepid? [08:34] RAOF: no [08:34] morning everyone [08:34] good morning huats [08:34] morning tbielawa [08:34] StevenK: You running intrepid? [08:35] RAOF: Nope [08:35] RAOF: Mainly, I was trying to tease you [08:35] Woot! My hope is still alive that checking for DESKTOP_SESSION=gnome will be an accurate gnome-detection mechanism! [08:35] RAOF: Ask seb? [08:36] Good plan. [08:36] RAOF: you looked through all the values from `env', right? [08:37] tbielawa: Yup, indeed. [08:37] *nod* [08:37] good luck. [08:37] Candidates are GNOME_KEYRING, but that seems unreliable, and GDMSESSION, which is likewise. [08:38] heh. GNOME_DESKTOP_SESSION. [08:38] RAOF: I've "default" on intrepid [08:39] (mind you, I don't seem to have an underscore key on intrepid, but that's a different issue) [08:39] err, sorry: GNOME_DESKTOP_SESSION_ID [08:39] crimsun: On Intrepid? [08:39] Because that is _not_ set here. [08:40] Which is why xdg-open is broken. [08:40] no, this is 8.04.1 [08:40] Right. All you sane people on Hardy can shut up now, this only affects insane people running Intrepid. === Syntux_ is now known as Syntux [08:42] silly insane people. [08:49] what are the rules regarding adding functionality to an app in the package rather than from upstream? [08:56] directhex: Be very careful not to break anything, and also sent it upstream [08:59] hm, one itty bitty bug to iron out first [08:59] currently fails to work unless you use my new functionality :) [09:00] See, that would be part of the "be very careful" part :) [09:01] well, you know what it's like hacking other peoples' code. at least the new functionality works, and barring typos, THAT part was right first time === dholbach_ is now known as dholbach [09:48] done. [09:49] FilePlugin.cs | 17 +++++++++++++++-- [09:49] 1 file changed, 15 insertions(+), 2 deletions(-) [09:53] wait, still bugged === Tonio__ is now known as Tonio_ [10:02] directhex, what do you need? === ogra_ is now known as ogra [11:46] <\sh> fresspire/linspire back to debian base and not ubuntu anymore? what went wrong? I wonder [11:47] hi folks [11:48] hi [11:49] hahaha, found a delightful genius bug [11:49] it's a really cute bug ^_^ === Kaloz_ is now known as Kaloz [13:15] Hello [13:15] can someone review http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=amoebax ? Thanks [13:16] Hello [13:16] is this the correct command? requestsync --lp -s [13:17] isn't it? i.e. "intrepid" [13:17] yeah [13:18] james_w, no response from requestsync [13:19] james_w, Internet is fine [13:21] coolbhavi: you mean it sits there hung, or it just does nothing? [13:22] no output at all? [13:23] james_w, exactly.... it was fine yesterday [13:23] no idea what that will be, sorry [13:24] james_w, I mean its hung [13:28] james_w, from pas 45 mins [13:28] past* [13:29]