[02:01] <sommer> ScottK: dkim section added: http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/mail-filtering.html
[02:04] <ScottK> sommer: amavisd-new doesn't use dkim-filter.
[02:05] <ScottK> sommer: It uses libmail-dkim-perl and it's in recommends so it'll get installed automagically.
[02:05] <sommer> ScottK: it just uses regular domain keys?
[02:05] <ScottK> No, uses the perl lib, not the milter.
[02:05] <sommer> ScottK: right right... I'll adjust that
[02:06] <ScottK> No need to tell them to install anything.  It's just there and working.
[02:06] <sommer> sure, does the rest make sense?
[02:06] <sommer> I wasn't entirely sure what to add
[02:07] <ScottK> Subtle point is it's based on the signing domain, not the From in the message.  Usually those will match, but it's not inevitable.
[02:07] <ScottK> If you look at any message from me sent in the last year or so, it'll be signed.  When you look at the signature, there's a d=kitterman.com.  That's what it keys off of.
[02:08] <ScottK> I'd make it clear that whitelist in this context means do not do any spam or virus filtering.
[02:08] <sommer> good point
[02:10] <nxvl> ScottK: did you had chance to take a look at courier?
[02:11] <ScottK> nxvl: Not yet.
[02:11] <nxvl> ok
[02:11] <nxvl> :D
[02:11] <ScottK> Up to my eyeballs in $WORK right now.
[02:11] <nxvl> ScottK: what did you work in?
[02:12] <ScottK> I'm a consultant and work on a lot of different things.
[02:13] <ScottK> Currently we have no babysitter for our 5 year old for three weeks, so I'm mostly watching her and running teenagers around during the day while my wife's at work and then I try to catch up in the evenings.
[02:15] <nxvl> ScottK: that sounds hard
[02:15] <ScottK> Yeah, it's only for a few weeks.
[02:15] <nxvl> ScottK: how many kids did you have?
[02:16] <nxvl> ScottK: just the 5 year old girl?
[02:16] <ScottK> No.  Also 14 and 16 year old girls too.
[02:18] <nxvl> ScottK: hard age for being a father
[02:18] <ScottK> Fortunately I do believe that violence can solve problems and the boys know that, so they keep an appropriate distance.
[02:19]  * nxvl loves ScottK 
[02:19] <nxvl> ScottK: that's the key
[02:19] <nxvl> if get daughters i will have the same policy
[02:41] <sommer> kirkland: is the raid boot stuff ready for real hardware testing?
[02:41]  * sommer thinking about starting the documentation of that area
[03:06] <dthacker> I've noticed ScottK needs MIR's written for ClamAV.   Is there a guide to writing them?
[03:06] <ScottK> Yes.
[03:06]  * ScottK digs up some links
[03:07] <ScottK> dthacker: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MainInclusionProcess
[03:07] <ScottK> dthacker: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ClamavSpamassassinInMain lists what we are in need of.
[03:08] <dthacker> thanks.  I'll do some reading tonight.
[03:28] <ScottK> dthacker: Thanks. Feel free to ask questions.  It's mostly just grinding through stuff.
[03:30] <ryoohki> anyone know why rbash( the restricted bash) was removed from the bash .deb package?  I can still hard link /bin/bash to /bin/rbash but a apt-get update will alter that
[03:47] <kirkland> sommer: the stuff i blogged about this week, yes
[03:48] <kirkland> sommer: i'm working on another patch for grub
[03:51] <sommer> kirkland: cool, just wanted to make sure the BootDegradedRaid page is still the latest instructions
[03:57] <kirkland> sommer: yup yup ;-)
[05:21] <sommer> kirkland: I've added your ppa to my sources.list, but when I do an apt-get upgrade it's not pulling anything
[05:21] <sommer> kirkland: are the new packages in the main repos?
[05:22] <kirkland> sommer: oh, jeez, sorry
[05:23] <kirkland> sommer: yeah, it's in main now
[05:23] <kirkland> lemme update that part of the wiki page
[05:23] <sommer> cool
[05:25] <nxvl> kirkland: can you please apply a patch for me and see if it works?
[05:25] <kirkland> sommer: sorry for missing that earlier
[05:25] <kirkland> sommer: i'm editing now
[05:25] <nxvl> kirkland: ScottK has been unsucseful appling it
[05:25] <sommer> kirkland: that's cool, just wanted to make sure I wasn't missing anything :)
[05:25] <kirkland> sommer: sorry, my fault
[05:25] <nxvl> kirkland: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/254681
[05:26] <uvirtbot`> Launchpad bug 254681 in courier "please merge courier 0.60.0-1 from debian sid" [Undecided,Incomplete]
[05:26] <nxvl> (and reopen the bug report if it worked)
[05:31] <kirkland> nxvl: nope, it doesn't apply for me either
[05:31] <kirkland> sommer: wiki updated
[05:32] <nxvl> kirkland: can you paste the whole process (ls on the dir, command and output) please
[05:33] <kirkland> nxvl
[05:33] <kirkland> nxvl: mkdir courier
[05:33] <kirkland> nxvl: cd courier
[05:33] <kirkland> nxvl: apt-get source courier
[05:33] <nxvl> ok
[05:33] <kirkland> nxvl: wget http://launchpadlibrarian.net/16527829/courier_0.60.0-1ubuntu1.debdiff
[05:33] <nxvl> that's the problem
[05:33] <kirkland> k
[05:34] <nxvl> kirkland: can you please dget the debian version -> http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/c/courier/courier_0.60.0-1.dsc
[05:36] <nxvl> and apply the patch against it
[05:36] <sommer> kirkland: so I set one of the drives to faulty using "sudo mdadm --manage --set-faulty /dev/md0 /dev/sdb1", and it booted fine... is that expected?
[05:36] <sommer> kirkland: or should I physically unplug one of the drives?
[05:36] <kirkland> sommer: yeah, that's expected
[05:36] <kirkland> sommer: "set-faulty" is different
[05:37] <kirkland> sommer: that tells mdadm to "expect" a drive as faulty
[05:37] <sommer> kirkland: oooohhhh, heh that makes sense
[05:37] <kirkland> sommer: this is really about what happens when an unexpected failure occurs
[05:37] <sommer> kirkland: okay, I'll get physical on this thing ;-)
[05:37] <kirkland> sommer: if you're dealing with physical hardware, unpluging the cable is the best alternative, sorry
[05:37] <kirkland> sommer: i did my physical testing with USB thumb drives :-)
[05:38] <sommer> heh, that's cool... I really haven't used software raid much, so this is good experience
[05:40] <kirkland> sommer: yeah, it's a good thing to know
[05:41] <sommer> heeh http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQXECBdPgEA
[05:41] <kirkland> yikes
[05:41] <sommer> ya, it's getting late :)
[06:58] <sommer> kirkland: party!
[06:58] <sommer> kirkland: everything worked as advertised... very cool
[06:58]  * sommer goes to sleepy time
[08:23] <kraut> moin
[09:39] <Armilliary> I'm trying to get examples for a preseed file, and `sudo debconf-get-selections --installer` gives me the following error: "could not open /var/log/installer/cdebconf/questions.dat". I realise that there was a security issue with the root password being readable in that file, but is there a way to recover any of the other answers?
[09:59] <Drazha> how much RAM is required for a small scale LAMP and SAMBA to work on ubuntu-server?
[10:04] <hads> Define small scale?
[10:04] <Drazha> well basically a development system, I am developing an application in PHP, and I only need the small server on a VM to develop it on
[10:05] <Drazha> so like, 1 user accessing it really
[10:05] <hads> 64MB would work, 128MB would be nicer, 512MB would be plenty
[10:05] <thefish> Drazha: ive done stuff in 64M, ymmv
[10:06] <Drazha> kewl, so 128 I setup is just fine
[10:06] <thefish> 128 is plenty
[10:06] <Drazha> ok next stupid one, is there a shell utility to setup the network interface and samba?
[10:06] <thefish> i run ocs-ng (an automatic inventory system) in 128 - +-100 clients
[10:07] <thefish> Drazha: yep, is called vi :D
[10:07] <hads> +m :)
[10:08] <_ruben> grmbl .. why is setting up dual wan configs always so tedious :p
[10:08] <thefish> Drazha: what kind of setup do you want?
[10:09] <Drazha> thefish: just to reconfigure the ip address (to avoid the vi route) and to setup a samba share?
[10:09] <thefish> Drazha: thats pretty simple
[10:09] <hads> nano or other similar editors may be easier to get to grips with
[10:09] <thefish> for the ip address, youll want to edit /etc/network/interfaces
[10:09] <soren> _ruben: what's the difficulty?
[10:10] <_ruben> soren: finding a decent solution to get routing properly
[10:10] <thefish> mmm, if you want to use nano, its best to `ln -s /usr/bin/nano /usr/bin/editor-for-wimps` first :)
[10:10] <_ruben> soren: i've managed to get it working before, just forgot how ;)
[10:10] <thefish> _ruben: doing fancy routing? ip route no doing its job?
[10:10] <hads> heh, meany.
[10:10] <Drazha> hads I know how to use vi, i am just being lazy
[10:11] <hads> Oh, well then just stop doing that :)
[10:11] <thefish> Drazha: you probably have "iface eth0 inet dhcp" in your interfaces file?
[10:11] <Drazha> yeah well... i was hoping for a curses ui or smth
[10:11] <Drazha> thefish: havent checked yet, probably
[10:12] <thefish> Drazha: you can gtksu {some-gui-editor} /etc/network/interfaces
[10:12] <thefish> not sure of the gnome gui text editor
[10:12]  * _ruben grabs his hard-copy of LARTC again...
[10:12] <Drazha> actually i am a rhel/centos user, decided to try out ubuntu-server, see how painful for my routine its gonna be
[10:12] <thefish> :)
[10:12] <thefish> nothing to be ashamed of
[10:13] <Drazha> not ashamed, just too damn sleepy and bored enough to punish myself with this mini project
[10:13] <thefish> Drazha: iirc interfaces file is the same in rhel/centos
[10:13] <thefish> so you should be fine
[10:14] <thefish> to jog your memory... http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/setting-up-an-network-interfaces-file/
[10:14] <Drazha> thefish thanks
[10:14] <soren> _ruben: Define "routing properly" :)
[10:16] <thefish> Drazha: for samba, just copy one of the examples - all you really need is [sharename] and path = /path/to/share, the rest is optional
[10:16] <_ruben> soren: have both inbound and outbound traffic flowing, no loadbalancing, but being able to send specific traffic over a specific link
[10:16] <Drazha> thefish: yeap, thanks...
[10:17] <soren> _ruben: ip route add src <blah>
[10:25] <exot> hello, how can I specify multiple IP address for exported directory for /etc/exprts
[10:34] <soren> exot: man exports
[10:34] <exot> soren, it doesn't show
[10:34] <soren> Sure it does.
[10:34] <soren>        # sample /etc/exports file
[10:34] <soren>        /               master(rw) trusty(rw,no_root_squash)
[10:35] <thefish> _ruben: you need metric for that no?
[10:35] <_ruben> thefish: nah, thats only needed for loadbalancing afaik .. just needa mess with multiple routing tables a bit, and then find a decent way to automate things
[10:36] <_ruben> sucky part is that one of the uplinks is dhcp and the other static ip
[10:36] <soren> exot: That line will export / read-write to master and trusty, and trusty additionally does not get his root squashed.
[10:38] <thefish> _ruben: metric is for costing a route innit? how would you use a metric for load balancing?
[10:38] <_ruben> thefish: if you want uneven loadbalancing
[10:39] <thefish> ?
[10:40] <thefish> not trying to be an ass, want to learn - ive never used it for that purpose :)
[10:41] <exot> soren,  got it .. thank you :)
[10:43] <_ruben> thefish: say you have 2 mbit line and an 8mbit line ... you'd give one line a metric of 1 and the other 4 .. so 'unevenly balance'
[10:43] <thefish> cool
[10:44] <thefish> so the metric is something that the balancer takes into consideration when deciding which to balance to?
[10:44] <thefish> fair enough
[10:45] <thefish> what are you using for the load balancing?
[10:46] <_ruben> im not doing any loadbalancing in this case .. we do have loadbalancers for our bigger websites tho (based on linux virtual server project)
[10:47] <thefish> cool
[10:48] <thefish> ive just done it with ripv2
[10:48] <thefish> and it "just knows"
[10:48] <thefish> think rip just calulates the hops though
[10:48] <thefish> so ye, metric would be useful to tweak it
[10:49] <thefish> _ruben: the vsp does network load balancing?
[10:50] <thefish> just checking out "balance" looks cool
[10:51] <Armilliary> ﻿I'm trying to get examples for a preseed file, and `sudo debconf-get-selections --installer` gives me the following error: "could not open /var/log/installer/cdebconf/questions.dat". I realise that there was a security issue with the root password being readable in that file, but is there a way to recover any of the other answers?
[12:52] <billio> Hi, I've been running Ubuntu-desktop for a while now and have decided to replace the OS on my server with Ubuntu.
[12:53] <billio> I've installed 8.04.1 from CD and got it booting up and started adding a few extras.
[12:54] <billio> I normally run my server with the screen unplugged and access with ssh. This all works OK so far.
[12:54] <billio> I want to be abole to use emacs on the server over ssh, but when I try to install it, apt-get insists that
[12:55] <billio> I need all the X11 packages. How can I get around this?
[13:08] <steven3> hello!
[13:09] <steven3> i have a quesiton that pertains to how much a server can handle, is that ok to ask in here?
[13:11] <ScottK> Yes
[13:13] <steven3> im going to have two scripts which access a mysql db, and thousands of people will be accessing it per hour, constantly for the entire month. is there a way to estimate how much bandwidth this will cost?
[13:13] <steven3> :)
[13:13] <Deeps> perform the queries for a set smaller sample over a set small time frame, and multiply up
[13:15] <steven3> ah i see. thanks! then, i have an alternative question: is there a way i can split the chores up between multiple servers, as to avoid going over my bandwidth limit? for example, will it lower the bandwidth if i put the db onto a different server than the scripts?
[13:16] <ScottK> There are ways, but that won't do it as the query to and the reply from the db server would actually use more bandwidth.
[13:19] <lukehasnoname> billio: Try installing emacs22-nox
[13:38] <gegema> May I ask for a good link for instruction on how to set up samba on a headless server? [Running Ubuntu 8.04.1]
[13:42] <sommer> gegema: you could try: http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html
[13:42] <gegema> sommer - Thanks!
[13:42] <sommer> gegema: if you notice any problems, or if anything is unclear please let me know :)
[13:46] <power> hi
[13:46] <power> i wonder where the libapache2-mod-security go ?
[14:02] <thefish> power: i think it was removed from debian cos of licensing issues
[14:03] <thefish> http://packages.ubuntu.com/feisty/web/libapache2-mod-ifier seems similar but never tried it, otherwise its a manual install
[14:04] <power> thanks,ill check it
[14:05] <power> too bad,that mod-sec is removed
[14:09] <chmac> Anyone know how to split a file into <2M chunks of *complete lines*?
[14:09] <chmac> `split -b2M` cuts lines in half at exactly 2M
[14:14] <billio> lookhasnoname: that's a last resort - I have been using the X version of emacs from my server
[14:14] <billio> under Mandrake with only the basic X11 library. I hate all these dependencies based on
[14:15] <billio> someones ideas of what is required as opposed to what is really needed.
[14:16] <billio> Looks like I'll have to build it from source....
[14:19] <lukehasnoname> hold on
[14:20] <lukehasnoname> anyone: isn't there a --no-recommends switch in apt-get that only d/ls required dependencies
[15:27] <gegema> sommer: Ok am ready to ask a question (althought simple) about Samba
[15:28] <gegema> sommer: I got it set-up to a point where I can access the Samba share from the windows machines..now how do I access network drives on the windows network from the ubuntu box? (for example if the drive is accessed by going to \\server1 in windows, how do I get to that directory from within Ubuntu?)
[15:29] <sommer> gegema: good question... that's not really covered in the guide just yest
[15:30] <sommer> gegema: there's multiple ways, the smbclient utility acts something like an ftp client, but I find the simplest way is to mount a windows share to a folder in my home directory
[15:31] <sommer> gegema: for that use sudo mount -t cifs //server/share mount_dir
[15:32] <thefish> fusesmb can also be pretty useful - specially if you want to "browse"
[15:32] <sommer> gegema: you may need the smbfs package as well (if you don't already have it)
[15:32] <kirkland> sommer: great, thanks for testing!
[15:33] <sommer> kirkland: np
[15:33] <gegema> sommer: mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on //server << getting this error
[15:34] <thefish> ^ thats probably name resolution - maybe try replacing "server" with "ip address"
[15:34] <uvirtbot`> thefish: Error: "thats" is not a valid command.
[15:34] <thefish> or fwdn
[15:34] <thefish> fqdn even :)
[15:35] <sommer> gegema: ya you may want to be sure you can ping the host by name, and try by IP to be sure
[15:35] <sommer> gegema: also are you trying to mount the share or browse the server?
[15:36] <gegema> hmm.. ok... didn't have smbfs at first... so I insattled it and tried the mount again.. got a different error this time (mount error 13 = Permission denied
[15:36] <gegema> Refer to the mount.cifs(8) manual page (e.g.man mount.cifs)
[15:36] <sommer> because to use a mount you'll need to use the entire share path
[15:37] <sommer> gegema: ah, try sudo mount -t cifs -o username=youruser,password=yourpass //server/share mount_point
[15:37] <gegema> sommer: I want to mount a share (a network drive within the windows network - MS SBS btw) so I can use it as a backup drive.
[15:37] <sommer> gegema: I believe you can leave the password bit off and it will prompt you
[15:38] <gegema> sommer: sorry for being dumb... on the username and password > are we refering to my username and pass on the Ubuntu box or my username and pass on the windows domain?
[15:38] <sommer> gegema: the windows username and password, but if your ubuntu username matches your windows username, it may just prompt you for your windows password
[15:40] <gegema> sommer: Perfect, mounted succesfully!
[15:40] <gegema> am assuming adding this mount point in my fstab with the -o argument would work?
[15:40] <sommer> gegema: party!
[15:41] <sommer> gegema: yep, it works in fstab... you may want to do a quick google to confirm the exact syntax though
[15:42] <gegema> sommer: Ok, Thanks a bunch for your help :)
[15:42] <sommer> gegema: np
[15:51] <gegema> sommer: back to bug you again... I want the windows user to have rw rights on the Ubuntu share (windows and Ubuntu accounts use different usernames and passwords) Is the answer setting "security=user" in smb.conf? or do the username and pass on each machine have to be identical?
[15:54] <sommer> gegema: all you should have to do is to set the permissions on the directory appropriate for the nobody user... if you followed the serverguide when setting up a share
[15:56] <sommer> gegema: that is if you don't what the windows user to have to enter a password
[15:57] <gegema> sommer: But am sharing the entire home directory of the linux machine... not sure if its wise to chown the home directory with nobody.nogroup
[15:58] <sommer> gegema: ya in that case you'll probably want to add the windows user to the system... basically create a linux user usering adduser then do smbpasswd -a username
[15:58] <sommer> gegema: windows user to the linux system that is
[15:59] <sommer> gegema: then you can give the necessary permissions to just that user
[16:01] <gegema> sommer: in my case, windows user account are being managed by Active Directory... saw an empty shell on the server guide for active directory integration...was wanting to see if I could get around having to add each individual windows user as a user on the linux machine as well
[16:02] <sommer> gegema: ah, then you'll want to check out the likewise-open section... it walks you through adding the linux machine to the AD domain
[16:02] <gegema> cool beans... thanks
[16:02] <sommer> welcome
[16:16] <lukehasnoname> "They don't have a dual model with community and enterprise bits. I don't see how anybody's going feel real comfortable, without the certifications and support and enterprise nature of those bits, feeling comfortable running those in a mission-critical environment. " -Jim Whitehurst, Red Hat CEO
[16:16] <lukehasnoname> on Ubuntu
[16:18] <soren> Uh, err... I can't even make sense of that.
[16:18] <soren> And if I could, I probably wouldn't agree :)
[16:19] <sommer> bits usually give me comfort :)
[16:19] <soren> How is it more comforting that the stuff you're deploying hasn't been tested by the community at large?
[16:20] <lukehasnoname> he uses the term "bits" in the interview to refer to software
[16:20] <lukehasnoname> http://news.cnet.com/8301-1001_3-10002150-92.html
[16:20] <sommer> why would a certificate bring comfort?  it all comes down to your relationship with the vender in the end
[16:21] <lukehasnoname> Search "ubuntu" on that page to see the paragraph I'm referencing
[16:22] <edmoore> ok definitive answer. about to do software raid1 on hardy. 2 x 250gb discs. 4gb ram. so. 8BG swap, 242gb / on each. Or.... can i be more clever?
[16:23] <edmoore> I am totally new and see lots of confusing answers
[16:24] <lukehasnoname> edmoore: how much physical ram do you have? 4GB?
[16:24] <edmoore> yep
[16:24] <edmoore> so i read swap should be ~2x ram
[16:24] <soren> Bah.
[16:25] <soren> That was back in ancient times when virtual memory managers were brain dead.
[16:25] <lukehasnoname> From my limited knowledge, and reading of "Ubuntu Server Administration", make a 100 MB /boot part, swap that is 1-2x RAM, and from there it's variable
[16:26] <edmoore> 2 3 partitions on each one
[16:26] <lukehasnoname> depending, it's recommended to have dedicated /var, /home parts
[16:26] <edmoore> what defines the size of the boot partition?
[16:26] <soren> I'm not saying that you might not need the 8GB. It depends on what you're using the server for, but the "swap should be twice the size of your ram" paradigm has expired.
[16:26] <edmoore> so then that's 4 partitions - /boot, /var, /home, swap
[16:26] <lukehasnoname> 100MB static. It's the dir where the boot files are located, the kernel, AFAIK
[16:26] <soren> edmoore: Do yourself a favour and use LVM.
[16:27] <lukehasnoname> but don't put /boot on the LVM
[16:27] <lukehasnoname> I don't think you can
[16:27] <soren> Right.
[16:27] <soren> /boot seperately and then everything else on lvm.
[16:28] <edmoore> I don't think I'm going to be pushing things particularly
[16:28] <lukehasnoname> 100 MB boot (ext2), rest to LVM with 4GB swap, 15 GB? to / (root), and the rest to some mix of /var, /home depending
[16:29] <lukehasnoname> LVM, among other things, allows easier adding and resizing of volumes
[16:30] <edmoore> LVM asside for one sec (I'll come back to it), I want 100mb for /boot, 8gb for swap, and the rest is all my 'stuff'
[16:30] <edmoore> so I have about 240gb for 'stuff' - you're advocating 3 partitions, a /root, /var/, and /home
[16:31] <edmoore> ?
[16:31] <edmoore> sorry if I am coming across as a trogolodyte - I am totally new to all this
[16:31] <lukehasnoname> what is this server going to do
[16:32] <lukehasnoname> file, print, web, database, etc
[16:32] <edmoore> numerical sim, bit of web, all my degree work
[16:32] <edmoore> hence the desire for raid 1 (for the degree work)
[16:33] <edmoore> it probably won't be under heavy hard-disk usage
[16:33] <edmoore> though the numerical sim stuff can lock up a cpu core and a bunch of ram for days at a time
[16:34] <edmoore> so simplicity over cleverness is probably more my criteria - I'm not looking to sqeeze every bit of juice out of a heavily loaded webserver, if you see what i mean.
[16:35] <lukehasnoname> if you use a load of RAM you might want a big swap. Also, if you don't plan on running a large or critical web site or DB, I'd suggest 30GB /(root), and the rest to /home. In other words, 100MB /boot, then LVM (4-8GB swap, 30 GB root, rest to /home)
[16:37] <edmoore> cool - out of interest, why split up root and home?
[16:38] <edmoore> and once i have done the partitioning in the partition manager during installation, how do i tell it which bits to use for what? I know about setting which to boot from and which to swap from, but then telling it which for /home and which for /root
[16:39] <lukehasnoname> edmoore: Many reasons to split directories into different partitions when possible. Big reason for splitting off /home and /var from the root system is so you can reinstall the OS without formatting the /home and /var parts where your personal settings/files and your website are
[16:40] <edmoore> ah that of course makes sense
[16:40] <lukehasnoname> edmoore: When you define a volume in the LVM and go back to the partition manager, it will ask you where you want to "mount" the volume.
[16:40] <edmoore> so I have to use LVM?
[16:46] <lukehasnoname> no
[16:46] <lukehasnoname> but it's handy
[16:46] <edmoore> ok. when I come to do this in anger in about 1h, I might come on irc if i need help in real time, if that's ok :)
[16:46] <lukehasnoname> http://www.freeos.com/articles/3921/
[16:46] <lukehasnoname> I didn't read it, I just googled. Anyway, it might help
[16:47] <lukehasnoname> answer your question about LVM
[16:47] <lukehasnoname> not so much the technical instructions, but the "Whys" and whatnot.
[16:47] <edmoore> yes, why is always more useful
[16:48] <edmoore> It's why I built a server in the first place - I want to get the why behind linux. then the how should follow quite trivially
[16:48] <edmoore> he says.
[16:54] <edmoore> so lukehasnoname, when I come to do this for real in a bit, I should make 2 physical partitions per disc - 100mb for /boot and "the rest"
[16:54] <lukehasnoname> I've been using Linux on my desktop for the past 5 months (100%) and for the past 2 years on and off. Also, I've been hanging on the IRC and the wiki all summer, and read a few books and a lot of magazines.
[16:54] <edmoore> then make the /root, /home and swap using kvm?
[16:54] <edmoore> lvm*
[16:54] <lukehasnoname> edmoore: I don't know how to set up raid
[16:54] <edmoore> ok, well the ubuntu wiki article is useful
[16:54] <lukehasnoname> ask someone else about RAID, but but without RAID, you're right
[16:55] <edmoore> though the one on lvm on raid says I need the alternate install cd
[16:55] <edmoore> ok, well if anyone reading this wants to help me out, that'd be grand
[16:58] <lukehasnoname> the alternate install is for desktops. If you're using the server install then that's the same thing
[16:58] <lukehasnoname> er
[16:58] <lukehasnoname> the installation instructions are the same, IIRC
[17:08] <habriel__> i need set up a vpn with ubuntu server
[17:11] <habriel__> i am looking someone guide
[17:11] <habriel__> i have installed ubuntu server 8.04
[17:19] <habriel__> hi
[17:19] <habriel__> anyone there
[17:20] <soulc> yeah but they are 3733t3
[17:20] <habriel__> hi soulc
[17:20] <soulc> do you haveanother machine?
[17:20] <habriel__> do you know about ubuntu server
[17:21] <soulc> I am running it
[17:22] <soulc> https://help.ubuntu.com/ I got all the help I needed here
[17:22] <habriel__> ok
[17:22] <soulc> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Servers
[17:24] <habriel__> where are you from my friend
[17:26] <soulc> maine us
[17:29] <thefish> habriel__: what kind of vpn do you want? what will it be for? how many users?
[17:30] <habriel__> i need to have 10 users
[17:34] <habriel__> and the clients will be xp
[17:42] <habriel> hi
[17:43] <habriel> thefis
[17:43] <habriel> are you there
[17:48] <thefish> habriel sorry just leaving
[17:48] <thefish> i would recommend looking at either openvpn
[17:48] <thefish> or nomachine
[17:48] <thefish> nomachine is not a traditional vpn, but it is very efficient
[17:49] <thefish> openvpn is free, nomachine is commercial oss
[17:51] <thefish> have a google for those, nomachine is trivial to install, just make sure you know what it does, openvpn is a bit more tricky but its more of a "traditional" vpn
[17:52] <soulc> can anyone direct me to a resource for hardy spam controll?  I upgraded to hardy and now none of the spam is detected.... it is all marked good
[17:56] <soulc> logfile output http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/35130
[17:57] <thefish> soulc: you probably lost your bayesian dbs, if you have a lot of spam, you can use this to train sa again
[17:57] <thefish> soulc: i would recommend adding DCC and maybe razor/pyzor
[17:57] <soulc> the previous was after the upgrade here is before the upgrade http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/35132/
[17:58] <soulc> razor is on already
[17:58] <soulc> what is DSS
[17:58] <soulc> er
[17:58] <soulc> DCC
[17:58] <thefish> dcc yep
[17:58] <thefish> :)
[17:58] <thefish> distributed checksum clearinghouse
[17:58] <thefish> similar concept to razor
[17:58] <soulc> yeah it was just bam here is all this spam again
[17:59] <thefish> heh
[17:59] <thefish> i need to leave, good luck :)
[17:59] <soulc> thanks
[18:00] <habriel_> but i won't have any problem with the client xp
[18:01] <ScottK> soulc: Is spamassassin still enabled?
[18:01] <habriel_> for example if i use openvpn
[18:01] <soulc> yeah
[18:01] <soulc> still enabled
[18:03] <soulc> if you look at both pastes you'll see that the number of messages is pretty much the same just now it is all good instead of the mostly crap that is really is
[18:04]  * ScottK will be back later.
[18:14] <edmoore> so, anyone around able to help me out with the installation of software raid1 and lvm?
[18:14] <edmoore> I'm sitting here ready with the screen on [!!] Partition disks
[18:17] <lukehasnoname> I think Ubuntu should have a voip server
[18:17] <lukehasnoname> like, a mumble server hosted by Ubuntu.com or similar
[18:18] <lukehasnoname> that would require a fat amount of bandwidth
[18:18] <lukehasnoname> anyway, edmoore, is raid already configured?
[18:19] <edmoore> no
[18:19] <edmoore> doing that now
[18:20] <edmoore> so, as i can always go back, I guess, shall i partition each disc into raid 1 with 200mb and 'the rest' and then try and see if I can do lvm afterwards on 'the rest'?
[18:21] <lukehasnoname> hm I really don't know the order of events when configuring RAID, that's why I asked if it was out of the way :/ you'll have to wait for someone else to ask
[18:21] <soulc> yeah so the damn spamassassin local.cf file had been overwirtten
[18:32] <edmoore> soren, are you about?
[18:45] <edmoore> lukehasnoname: I think you can go into lvm having set up partitions on raid1
[18:47] <lukehasnoname> Hold on I'm working on... my work, bbiab
[18:47] <edmoore> ok
[18:51] <edmoore> does anyone here know why, when trying to change the partition settings for a partition, I don't seem to be able to change any of them? It just displays a list - eg: 'Use as: Ext3 journalling file system' which I want to change as use as physical volume for Raid. but how do you change these settings?
[18:52] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #255776 in freeradius (universe) "freeradius lacks eap-tls eap-ttls eap-peap on hardy" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/255776
[19:51] <edmoore> how do I make ubuntu server autoload from a reboot, i.e. not need me to login?
[19:52] <edmoore> i only want to have to login to do admin, if it reboots it should just load up and carry on webserving
[19:59] <bogey-> iptables-1.4.0-40.1
[20:00] <bogey-> I am having a senior moment. I do not have the firewall installed, I do not have anything setup for hosts.allow and hosts.deny. Yet my box is refusing all connections except from the local subnet. What should I check to see if it is blocking other subnets?
[20:06] <dthacker> bogey-: can you ping the other subnets?
[20:17] <bogey-> dthacker: i iz dumb, lulz
[20:17] <bogey-> dthacker: the GATEWAY device is not the same as the others. I need to setup a RIP broadcast for our legacy servers
[20:17] <bogey-> soz m8
[20:37] <soren> edmoore: I am now.
[20:38] <edmoore> soren: too late, she cried
[20:38] <edmoore> am all installed
[20:38] <edmoore> adding repos now, infact
[20:59] <emgent> \sh:  hey! :)
[21:51] <habriel> hi
[22:36] <habriel> hello all what's better for a network where the client will be win xp , vpn, openvpn, i only whant to have the next services ftp,mail, vnc
[23:10] <edmoore> help - have just rebooted my server (for the first time since automatic reboot after installation) and it is hanging on (initramfs)
[23:22] <m11> hello
[23:25] <m11> i am haveing same problem as this post: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=679877
[23:25] <m11> using proftpd and joomla
[23:26] <m11> joomla 1.5 wont work if i dont enable ftp layer and it dont want accept correct user/pass and path that i set in gproftpd. anyone got clue how to fix that ?