[00:49] <Hobbsee> right.  now iv'e been hit by this lack fo keyboard for X thing...what was the solution?  :)
[00:49] <RAOF> Let me grab it...
[00:51] <RAOF>        Option "AllowEmptyInput" "boolean"
[00:51] <RAOF> In ServerFlags
[00:52] <RAOF> You want to set that to false.
[00:52] <Hobbsee> hmmm.  i wonder what the actual syntax for that is.  i thought there was an EndServerFlags or something too
[00:53] <RAOF> Section "ServerFlags"
[00:53] <RAOF> foo
[00:53] <RAOF> EndSection
[00:57] <Hobbsee> RAOF: thanks, that's worked.
[00:57] <cwillu_> how much success am I likely to have running intrepids kernel + modules in hardy?
[00:58] <cwillu_> I'm trying to troubleshoot a suspend issue, and have the crazy notion that a newer kernel might have it fixed
[00:58] <RAOF> An entirely unsupported amount of success.
[00:58] <cwillu_> of course
[00:58] <RAOF> It may well work, however.
[00:58] <cwillu_> let me rephrase
[00:59] <cwillu_> if I do that, do I need to muck about with libc, or is just installing the kernel debs likely to be enough (in an completely unsupported sense)
[00:59] <RAOF> The latter.
[00:59] <cwillu_> oh, goodie
[01:01] <cwillu_> always an exciting day, the day I first make an unholy mix of ubuntu + ubuntu+1
[01:01] <JontheEchidna> = 2ubuntu + 1 :P
[01:02] <cwillu_> well, recall that ubuntu = 8.04.1, and ubuntu+1 == 8.10
[01:03] <JontheEchidna> you have a point
[01:04]  * cwillu_ hits apply
[01:12] <cwillu_> oooo!
[01:13] <cwillu_> it turned off!
[01:13] <crimsun> cwillu_: technically it's 8.04 (the point releases don't change the LSB Release
[01:14] <cwillu_> and it almost turned back on!
[01:15] <cwillu_> and blindly shutdown -h now<enter> made it turn off again!
[01:15]  * cwillu_ does a happy dance
[01:15] <cwillu_> now to see if nvidia wants to join the party :p
[01:16] <cwillu_> hmm
[01:16]  * RAOF 's laptop both suspends _and_ resumes with nvidia-glx-177 at the moment.
[01:16] <cwillu_> that looks an awful lot like compiz
[01:17]  * cwillu_ clicks suspend
[01:17]  * cwillu_ looks at the blinking power light
[01:17]  * cwillu_ clicks the power light button ish thing
[01:17] <cwillu_> A PASSWORD PROMPT!
[01:17]  * cwillu_ huggles RAOF 
[01:17] <crimsun> RAOF: as does mine, but it's using 169.12 from -proposed
[01:18] <RAOF> crimsun: That's because you're a cowering Hardy user.  Real men use Intrepid, and don't have working keyboards or mice in X!
[01:20] <JontheEchidna> heh
[01:22] <zerwas> Are there plans to use empathy instead of Pidgin in Intrepid?
[01:23] <RAOF> I don't believe so, no.
[01:24] <RAOF> I think that empathy will likely replace pidgin at some point, but not right now.
[01:24] <zerwas> RAOF: that's also what i think
[01:25] <zerwas> let's see how it goes with farsight
[01:25]  * cwillu_ huggles RAOF again
[01:26] <crimsun> RAOF: it's hard to break others' computers if one's doesn't even boot ;)
[01:32]  * cwillu_ huggles RAOF again and again and again\
[01:34] <mbrigdan> how exactly does pbuilder work?
[01:35] <JontheEchidna> It creates a minimal ubuntu installation, and then builds your package
[01:35] <mbrigdan> ah
[01:36] <JontheEchidna> well, more of a minimal package system
[01:36] <mbrigdan> so I just use pbuilder, and don't need to chroot or something?
[01:37] <JontheEchidna> right
[01:37] <JontheEchidna> it does that stuff for you
[01:37] <mbrigdan> I do need to be in the right dir though, right? (right as in where I created the pbuilder thing)
[01:38] <JontheEchidna> hmm, I don't know
[01:38] <JontheEchidna> it doesn't hurt I guess
[01:39] <RAOF> mbrigdan: No, you don't need to be in the right dir; pbuilder uses a bunch of conf files to determine what you mean.
[01:40] <mbrigdan> ah, ok
[01:40] <cwillu_> hmm
[01:40] <cwillu_> didn't notice that ndiswrapper isn't working
[01:40] <JontheEchidna> pbuilder ususally just works for me :P
[01:48] <mbrigdan> I just built bc (a calc app, I think) for intrepid. I'm going to guess that no-one needs it and that I have no reason to hold on to it anymore?
[01:49] <cwillu_> mbrigdan, you're gonna drop the arbitrary precision calculator?
[01:49] <cwillu_> you animal!
[01:50] <mbrigdan> just the .deb for intrepid, which i'm not using
[01:50] <mbrigdan> wow, bc is fast
[01:51] <ganymede> hello, i'm not too familiar with ubuntu since i do not use it frequently, but is there any plan to use a C-based system script system, so that system scripts do not have to be interpretted, thus speeding up start up times?
[01:53] <cwillu_> ganymede, system startup is io bound
[01:53] <cwillu_> ganymede, there's no gains to be had from that
[01:55] <rraj-be> i want to help ubuntu by reporting bugs in ubuntu 8.10. . .  . Where can i get ubuntu 8.10 for this
[01:56] <ganymede> cwillu_: in theory, yes, but certain people have measured increase of startup times, for example, for 29 seconds to 22 seconds, etc. (of course, there are a couple who have measured a decrease in boot speed)
[01:56] <ganymede> and by increase of startup times, i mean increase of startup speed
[01:56] <cwillu_> ganymede, 29->22 means there's a bug in the scripts somewhere, which should be fixed
[01:57] <rraj-be> could any one help me   <i want to help ubuntu by reporting bugs in ubuntu 8.10. . . . Where can i get ubuntu 8.10 for this>
[01:57] <cwillu_> !patience rraj-be,
[01:57] <ubottu> cwillu_: Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)
[01:58] <cwillu_> silly ubottu
[01:58] <rraj-be> :)
[01:58] <mluser-work> Anyone having problems with the vpn functionality of networkmanager after the last upgrade?
[01:58] <cwillu_> the only way the overhead of interpretation could cause a 7 second slowdown is if the bootup process was doing some hard computation for >10 seconds
[01:58] <rraj-be> cwillu  Sorry , . .  .. i am getting late to my college. .  .thats y i asked 2 times
[01:59] <cwillu_> rraj-be, might I suggest googling "ubuntu intrepid" :p
[01:59] <rraj-be> :)
[01:59] <rraj-be> k
[01:59] <ganymede> cwillu_: so ubuntu's RC scripts remain in bash?
[01:59] <cwillu_> but failing that, http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/intrepid/ will get you to the same place :p
[01:59] <cwillu_> ganymede, unless somebody can provide a good reason for them not to be
[02:00] <cwillu_> measurable increases are good, but the measurements need to be repeated, and it needs to be shown that they're due to interpretation overhead rather than poor/bugged design
[02:01] <ganymede> cwillu_: certain system calls need to be accessed during boot and this required C-based callouts to be added. these callouts were each statically linked, causing the rc system to bloat over time.
[02:01] <cwillu_> ganymede, eh?
[02:01] <cwillu_> 'open' is a system call
[02:01] <ganymede> cwillu_: oh, and then there's also the embedded systems problem...
[02:02] <cwillu_> ganymede, interpreted systems tend to have lower memory requirements than a statically built system
[02:02] <cwillu_> and if you're dealing with _really_ small systems, you're not using rc style bootup anyway
[02:03] <cwillu_> anyways, ubuntu isn't an embedded system (even ubuntu mobile isn't 'embedded' in the sense that it's usually meant)
[02:03] <cwillu_> (very stringent cpu and memory requirements)
[02:03] <cwillu_> ((remembering that (for example) an n800 has more cpu and memory than the average desktop in 2000 did)
[02:04] <cwillu_> re: system calls, gotta be more specific as to which calls you're referring to
[02:04] <ganymede> so in conclusion, there is no significant benefit in moving system scripts to C, and leaving them in an interpretted form is far more convenient?
[02:04] <cwillu_> open and reading files is what every program does, and it's very very very effecient
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[02:04] <cwillu_> I'd strengthen it to 'there is no benefit to ubuntu in moving them to c' myself :p
[02:05] <cwillu_> anybody know what the trick is to get ssb to load after ndiswrapper is?
[02:05] <cwillu_> I didn't need it for hardy, but it's required for intrepid it seems on my laptop
[02:06] <cwillu_> ganymede, the boot process is io bound.  If it's not in some case, that's a bug.
[02:06] <cwillu_> ganymede, the total interpretation time in that case is likely less than 0.1%
[02:07] <cwillu_> so if your boot takes 27 seconds, that's .027 seconds time spent interpreting
[02:07] <cwillu_> (okay, lets say 1%, so .27 seconds)\
[02:07] <cwillu_> recoding in c might get you a 90% improvement (charitably)
[02:07] <cwillu_> but you'll also have a code bloat, probably about 10 to 1
[02:08] <cwillu_> and you'll lose the ability to easily modify the files without recompilation (requiring gcc to be installed standard)
[02:08] <cwillu_> and for all of this work, you'll have a boot time of 26.73 seconds instead of 27 seconds :p
[02:08] <ganymede> oh, right, ubuntu doesn't ship gcc by default
[02:08]  * ganymede is used to source-based distros.
[02:08] <cwillu_> if you want gentoo or bsd, you know where to find it :p
[02:10] <ganymede> i've been using source based ditsros but am getting sick of it. tried ubuntu once but the boot time was noticably longer, even with fewer items on the startup list, so i was wondering if there was any plan to improve on that
[02:11] <spiritssight> I wanted to know what the ibex desktop should be I seem to have the same desk top that 8.04 has
[02:12] <spiritssight> I am using gnome as the desktop manger and session
[02:12] <cwillu_> ganymede, yes there is, but the improvements aren't likely to come from gcc
[02:12] <cwillu_> there's a bunch of discussion on the wiki, and probably more on the mailing lists
[02:12] <cwillu_> spiritssight, same desktop?
[02:13] <spiritssight> Yes the ligh coloured one
[02:13] <cwillu_> spiritssight, gnome is gnome, intrepid is improved, but it's substatially the same os
[02:13] <spiritssight> and same back ground
[02:13] <cwillu_> artwork isn't final
[02:13] <ganymede> cwillu_: do ubuntu scripts start up in parallel?
[02:14] <cwillu_> ganymede, less /etc/init.d/rc
[02:14] <cwillu_> I think by default they're not, as it causes (caused?) issues in some situations
[02:15] <virtualroadside>  hmm.. theres an option though? i need to check into that
[02:15] <virtualroadside> my carputer takes far too long to startup
[02:15] <ganymede> cwillu_: thanks, i'll see if i can speed things up that way. i'm a person who frequently has to turn on and off the laptop
[02:15] <cwillu_> virtualroadside, CONCURRENCY=none vs shell in /etc/init.d/rc
[02:15] <cwillu_> ganymede, and you don't use suspend?
[02:16] <ganymede> cwillu_: it's dual-booted, so i never know what operating system i'll need to come back to
[02:16] <ganymede> cwillu_: and of course, some drivers are giving me suspend issues
[02:16] <cwillu_> which?
[02:17] <ganymede> cwillu_: we might be getting OT
[02:17] <virtualroadside> hibernate broke when i moved from hardy beta to hardy normal.. haven't tried it in intrepid yet
[02:17] <mbrigdan> OT doesn't really matter here, as long as theres not much going on
[02:17] <ganymede> cwillu_: but thanks for the advice and information
[02:17] <cwillu_> not really, just tweak CONCURRENCY= in /etc/init.d/local :p
[02:18] <cwillu_> trouble shooting suspend in intrepid is ot?
[02:18] <virtualroadside> ot?
[02:18] <mbrigdan> off topic
[02:18] <virtualroadside> ah
[02:18] <ganymede> cwillu_: i was using the last one that came out...i don't keep up with their animal names
[02:19] <mbrigdan> that would be hardy
[02:19] <mbrigdan> heron
[02:20] <ganymede> but at any rate, i have spent some time on these suspend issues and it's not going to end anywhere...i won't try anymore because enough of my time has gone into it
[02:20] <ganymede> feels like time is better spent speeding up boot, rather than figuring suspend out
[02:21] <ganymede> also, i have to go eat dinner. bye
[02:21] <virtualroadside> the kernel used to delay my boot time for 5 seconds
[02:21] <mbrigdan> yeah, suspend never worked for me either, I have no idea where to start on it
[02:21] <virtualroadside> because of my BIOS
[02:21] <mbrigdan> I also no that s2both/disk doesn't work either
[02:21] <mbrigdan> *nkow
[02:21] <mbrigdan> *knoq
[02:21] <mbrigdan> *know
[02:21] <cwillu__> which doesn't say much :p
[02:21] <virtualroadside> heh
[02:22] <cwillu__> acpi_sleep={s3_bios,s3_mode} can be useful
[02:22] <cwillu__> as can acpi_osi={something bios dependant}
[02:22] <cwillu__> the troubleshooting is different depending on whether it successfully suspends, and fails on resume, or fails to suspend in the first place
[02:23] <burner> anyoen know how to get wireless on the eeepc working?
[02:23]  * burner assumes network manager will be fixed again soon ;)
[02:30] <RAOF> burner: Now's the time to file bugs; nm 0.7 just got uploaded.
[02:32] <burner> RAOF: i saw that... i have no icon anymore on either of my pcs ;)
[02:32] <burner> the eeepc issue I'm having is actually a madwifi issue with the atheros driver
[02:33] <burner> i found a madwifi snapshot that worked on hardy's kerner, but I can't get it to work in 2.6.26
[02:39] <spiritssight> Hello there, I just did some thing dum, I am needing help fix gnome, I was geting rid of kde and some how I missed it up
[02:40] <spiritssight> I am booted into another partation of ubuntu ibex
[02:40] <spiritssight> How can I fix gnome with then this partation
[02:42] <burner> sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop ?
[02:42]  * burner is unsure what you did
[02:44] <spiritssight> not sure, I know the command you just gave but I need to get it    up and running on a different partation, I don't have network access it appears when at root of the other partation
[02:45] <spiritssight> can I do a apt-get Cd I have
[02:45] <spiritssight> to install gnome from the cd
[02:59] <mbrigdan> anyone know how I can de-away my-self in x-chat, the gui always crashes, but I know there is a command for it
[02:59] <RAOF> You use away? :)
[02:59] <Ahadiel> mbrigdan, try /back
[03:00] <mbrigdan> yay!
[03:00] <mbrigdan> works
[03:01] <mbrigdan> what do package maintainers do? Don't you have bots and stuff that compile packages for you? Do they just make sure packages aren't broken and stuff?
[03:03] <JontheEchidna> They make the packages and update them
[03:03] <JontheEchidna> and feed them to the servers to build them
[03:03] <JontheEchidna> and fix bugs that may arise in the packaging
[03:03] <JontheEchidna> in a nutshell
[03:03] <mbrigdan> ah
[03:04] <bazhang> couple of ways
[03:04] <bazhang> |PiP|, first read the topic here
[03:04] <mbrigdan> hmm, the package I made with pbuilder will let me install it, does this mean I setup pbuilder wrong?
[03:04] <bazhang> |PiP|, the part about 'total system failure'
[03:05] <|PiP|> yep read it
[03:05] <bazhang> |PiP|, you know how to upgrade normally via the cli?
[03:06] <|PiP|> yep, i just did a 'sudo update-manager -d'
[03:07] <bazhang> |PiP|, this is not released yet; have you backed everything up?  things WILL break.
[03:07] <Hobbsee> that's known to break, at times.
[03:08] <Hobbsee> bazhang: hmm.  i should do a backup.  *touch wood*
[03:08] <bazhang> Hobbsee, haha
[03:08] <|PiP|> bazhang: yep i have
[03:08] <|PiP|> all my projects are on svn :D
[03:09] <bazhang> |PiP|, seriously, reconsider. unless you want to hunt bugs and recover from 'total system failure' that is. :)
[03:11] <aga> hai...all
[03:16] <Hobbsee> bazhang: this whole "lack of keyboard by default' at the moment is a bit annoying, too
[03:17] <mbrigdan> woot, I made an intrepid package
[03:17] <bazhang> Hobbsee, wow
[03:17] <RAOF> Awww, yeah.  #nouveau's currently working out how to make my laptop resume from suspend. :)
[03:18] <Hobbsee> i finally upgraded - and found it *wasn't* fixed.
[03:18] <RAOF> I don't think the fixed xorg has built yet.
[03:18] <RAOF> Alternatively, it might still be FTBFSing :)
[03:18] <mbrigdan> FTBFSing?
[03:19] <RAOF> Failing To Build From Source
[03:19] <mbrigdan> ah
[03:19] <scyrma> anyone using kdm & kde4? when I logout, all I get is a blank screen. Wonder if it's a known bug, or a misconfiguration on my side
[03:19] <scyrma> ..a blank screen that never comes back to light, and that blocks (ctrl-alt-f1) access to console :(
[03:22]  * Hobbsee eyes launchpad
[03:22] <Hobbsee> wtf is it on?
[03:29] <mluser-work> Anyone having problems with the 'VPNC' vpn functionality of networkmanager after the last upgrade?
[03:35] <RAOF> mluser-work: I think the answer will be 'everyone who uses vpnc'; I don't think that's currently supported by nm 0.7.  I could be wrong.
[03:35] <mluser-work> RAOF: thanks
[03:38] <IdleOne> can someone refreesh my memory on the upgrade command running alpha2 in VM
[03:45] <IdleOne> is it not possible to upgrade to alpha3 via update-manager -d?
[03:47] <IdleOne> Hobbsee, you around?
[03:47] <Hobbsee> IdleOne: yes
[03:47] <IdleOne> I am trying to upgrade-manager -d from alpha2 to alpha3 in VM but tells me I am up to date
[03:48] <Hobbsee> do a normal dist-upgrade?
[03:48] <IdleOne> yeah says up to date
[03:49] <Hobbsee> then apparently you're up to date...
[03:50] <IdleOne> how can I check if I am at alpha 3?
[03:50] <RAOF> IdleOne: upgrade-manager won't take you from alpha2 to alpha3, anyway.
[03:50] <RAOF> IdleOne: You can't, and you aren't.
[03:50] <Hobbsee> IdleOne: do you do your normal updates?
[03:50] <IdleOne> RAOF, why not?
[03:51] <RAOF> Because alpha3 doesn't exist in a technical sense; neither does alpha2
[03:51] <IdleOne> I haven't run the vm in a couple weeks or so
[03:51] <IdleOne> and did not get any updates tonight when I started up
[03:54] <IdleOne> I find it very strange that I am not getting any updates
[03:54] <RAOF> sudo aptitude update; do you have network? :)
[03:55] <IdleOne> yes of course
[03:55] <IdleOne> yup still nothing
[03:55] <IdleOne> :/
[03:55] <Hobbsee> is your mirror out of date?
[03:56] <IdleOne> imbrandon is what I am using
[03:56] <IdleOne> but maybe yeah
[03:56] <mbrigdan> anyone have a package that I attempt to build for Intrepid? So far i've followed the tutorial and make a hello package, but I want to see if a real package is different.
[03:56] <mbrigdan> *could attempt to build
[04:00] <IdleOne> I am getting failures from the Translation_en_US
[04:00] <IdleOne> oh oh
[04:00] <IdleOne> 336 updates
[04:00] <IdleOne> guess it was the server
[04:14] <mbrigdan> where does hardy store the actual screensaver programs?
[04:17] <scyrma> /usr/lib/xscreensaver ?
[04:18] <marco> hey
[04:19] <marco> is it a known issue for drives to be listed twice
[04:19] <marco> when their mounted from the Places menu
[04:19] <marco> *they're
[04:24] <burner> marco:  i think it was fixed with a recent nautilus update a day or two ago
[04:27] <marco> burner, oh, ok
[04:27] <marco> I guess it'll be fixed when I restart gnome then
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[04:34]  * burner prefers to just do alt+f2 and "killall nautilus" but to each their own
=== marco is now known as Marco
[05:51] <cypherdelic> Hello, compiz packages need to be updated to the Version of ppa.launchpad.net intrepid main universe for 64bit. That packages have git version with this date: 20080807, the ubuntu packages ones have 20080630.
[05:53] <cypherdelic> compiz doesnt work  with mix of this versions
[05:55] <RAOF> cypherdelic: All ppa's are unsupported; if you've broken your compiz by installing from a ppa, you need to complain to the PPA's maintainer.
[05:56] <cypherdelic> right i dod that, but they told my some of my packages are left ubuntu and they are to old ;)
[05:57] <cypherdelic> i used ppa mix with ubuntu for no problems the last weegs
[05:57] <RAOF> cypherdelic: There's nothing we can do.  It's the PPA maintainer's problem.
[05:58] <RAOF> What ppa is this, anyway?
[06:17] <emet> !info moonlight
[06:17] <ubottu> Package moonlight does not exist in intrepid
[06:19] <emet> anyone know why?
[06:21] <RAOF> emet: Because noone's packaged it yet?
[06:21] <emet> alright
[06:22] <emet> silverlight is actually being used now for something important
[06:22] <emet> Olympic games
[06:22] <emet> :\
[06:22] <RAOF> You can install the plugin in firefox.
[06:25] <emet> the official plugin doesn't do video
[06:25] <emet> to add video requires and excessively complex build process
[06:26] <RAOF> Really?  I thought the official plugin allowed you to download microsoft's binary fun?
[06:26] <emet> whatever, I don't really care for the Olympics, but I'm sure someone using Ubuntu probably will
[06:26] <emet> RAOF, not yet I guess
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[07:56] <Marco> Hey, would anyone happen to know what canonical's stance is on using "buntu" without your distro name
[07:57] <Marco> if it's not an official derivative?
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[08:23] <jpds> Marco: Ask in #ubuntu-derivative.
[09:36] <pwnguin> did nm-0.7 hit?
[09:37] <pwnguin> with universal network prefs?
[09:39] <RAOF> Ya.
[09:39] <RAOF> And semi-universal crazy breakage :)
[09:50] <pwnguin> doh
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[13:52] <Gian1> Hello, can anyone help me in nvidia driver installing?
[13:53] <Gian1> It doesn't work....
[14:19] <porncake> hey guys im trying to make a .sh script to do this : ./script.sh $answer1 $answer2 $answer3, so i need to know how to echo 3 questions and use the answers in my script
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[14:20] <Pici> porncake: This is the channel for Intrepid Ibex support, try #bash instead.
[14:25] <porncake> thank you
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[17:42] <Marco> Was the theme changed in a recent update?
[17:42] <Marco> back to a light theme?
[18:01] <coz_> hey guys..any news on wacom tablet autodetec in ibex?
[18:01] <coz_> autodetect
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[18:20] <pwnguin> coz_: yea
[18:20] <pwnguin> input hotplug hit recently
[18:21] <pwnguin> i havent tried it yet but it sounds like its getting close
[18:30] <pwnguin> fun. cant hit up wireless in intrepid
[18:49] <coz_> pwnguin,  very cool  thnks
[18:49] <coz_> thanks
[19:28] <mbrigdan> where are the configuration files for the screen savers kept?
[20:07] <cycom> My bluetooth mighty mouse's horizontal scroll works, but backwards.  Is there a way to make sure that horizontal scrolling left goes to button6 and horizontal scrolling right goes to button 7?  I don't want to use xmodmap because that'll make my touchpad backwards.
[20:24] <phaverkamp> I just upgraded Virtualbox to 1.6.4 and Alpha 3 still kernel panics
[20:48] <tanath> hm, window manager no longer works with firefox
[20:48] <tanath> firefox maximizes to cover the screen, and has no borders & titlebar
[20:50] <nemo> yay
[20:50] <nemo> http://www.geocities.com/stssppnn/pcsp.html
[20:50] <nemo> is in 2.6.26
[20:50] <nemo> man that's a reason to upgrade. I can satisfy my retro urges by playing 8bit music again :)
[20:51] <nemo> tanath: and you didn't accidentally hit F11? :)
[20:51] <nemo> or screw with userChrome.css ?
[20:51] <tanath> nemo: nope. it's not that kind of maximized
[20:51] <tanath> not full-screened
[20:51] <tanath> just happens to insist on being 'maximized' and taking up the whole screen
[20:52] <tanath> i can still full-screen it with f11
[20:53] <tanath> i can't alt+click to drag, or anything either, which leads me to believe it has no controlling WM
[20:54] <tanath> nemo: and no, it happened after a recent update and/or reboot
[20:58] <tanath> ah! wtf...
[20:58] <tanath> i hit alt+tab, then while still holding alt, pressed shift+tab to go back, and the screen started flashing like crazy
[21:02] <tanath> happens half the time i hit alt+tab now... :-/
[21:03] <tanath> may be part of that flickery key issue
[21:03] <tanath> ah, no... it's whenever alt tab would bring up firefox
[21:04] <tanath> ok, my firefox hasn't changed recently, so it's something else
[21:06] <tanath> it makes everything except the desktop bg flash in and out. even the gnome panel flickers
[21:10] <nemo> tanath: you are, presumably, using compiz
[21:10] <tanath> yes
[21:10] <nemo> does it continue with compiz disabled?
[21:11] <nemo> KDE or Gnome?
[21:11] <tanath> gnome
[21:11] <tanath> still does with metacity
[21:11] <tanath> flickering stops though, because it doesn't do the window preview in alt+tab
[21:13] <tanath> weird, after switching to metacity & back, now i can't negativize it with the negative plugin. it only switches to negative when i bring up a menu
[21:14] <tanath> well, i just got updates to gnome-panel & stuff, so logging out
[21:21] <isakey> zomg new design rules! but dark gray is not best color really...
[21:23] <isakey> whity pink and whity blue... ohh.. also ponies and dolphins everythere... :P
[21:23] <isakey> it will be really cool
[21:26] <isakey> like this http://imagechan.com/img/5884/Manly%20Tattoo/
[21:27] <isakey> kthx
[21:30] <alex-weej_> http://alex-weej.blogspot.com/2008/08/sucata-run-2008.html
[21:31] <alex-weej_> http://alex-weej.blogspot.com/2008/08/sucata-run-2008.html
[21:40] <alex-weej_> before anyone else grills me for spam, sorry. "/amsg" works for all networks at once in X-Chat, CAUTION!
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[22:11] <DanaG> Aah, now I do see how broadcom cards suck: at school, it repeatedly deauthenticates and reauthenticates from/to the AP.
[22:15] <DanaG> oh wait... it's just the access point sucking.
[22:17] <DanaG>  dmesg | grep "[assoc,auth]" | wc -l
[22:17] <DanaG> 2053
[22:17] <DanaG> yay.
[22:18] <DanaG> Most of those are from the Broadcom card.
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[22:53] <tuedel> hi! every time i log into gnome, i get that "your last session lasted less than 10 seconds" message, and as soon as i click ok, my xserver crashes (along with some display errors). i can't find anything helpful in all those logfiles... here is my ~/.xsession-errors, if it makes sense to anyone: http://pastebin.ca/1096181 . i've already disabled compiz.
[22:55] <tuedel> the failsafe session doesn't work either