[03:28] <samkorn> Can ubuntu mobile be embedded on the nintendo ds
[03:48] <BenLauDC> no
[09:56] <Moo--> Is it possible to run MID on OpenMoko?
[10:01] <persia> Moo: I'm not sure I understand your question.  Do you mean the Ubuntu MID images on the OpenMoko hardware?
[10:01] <persia> In that case, no: the OpenMoko hardware is ARM, and the Ubuntu MID images are for lpia.
[10:05] <Moo--> persia: ah, that was what I was looking for, thx
[18:46] <sn9> how much ram is needed for UME? can it run well in 128M? 64M? 32?
[18:53] <persia> sn9: Works best at 512, can do at 384, and might work at 256, but in a degraded fashion.
[18:53] <persia> Most testing was with 512 or 1G
[18:53] <sn9> yeesh, what a hog
[18:54] <persia> The focus has more been about experience than making it work on small hardware.
[18:54] <persia> This is perhaps nice because some bits look nice.
[18:54] <sn9> most MIDs are small
[18:54] <persia> Unfortunately it means that almost nobody has the right target hardware.
[18:54] <sn9> yep
[18:55] <persia> True, but most MIDs are ARM as well, and Ubuntu MID doesn't work on ARM: it's lpia only.
[18:55] <sn9> is it still lighter than netbook-remix?
[18:55] <persia> No idea: I've not tried netbook-remix.  That said, I suspect it's smaller, just because I've heard that netbook remix uses most of the standard desktop apps.
[18:57] <sn9> so, regular ubuntu and xubuntu are actually the lightest flavors?
[18:59] <persia> No.  I think Ubuntu MID is slightly lighter than Ubuntu Desktop (which I'd not want to run with <1G).
[18:59] <persia> I've not compared with Xubuntu.
[19:00] <sn9> i am running Ubuntu Desktop on this laptop with 256, and it's also running kqemu in the background with 128 set aside for the UME kvm image
[19:00] <persia> sn9: And does that work?
[19:00] <sn9> yep
[19:00] <persia> Nifty.
[19:00] <sn9> the UME is slow, though
[19:00] <persia> Lots of swapping?
[19:01] <sn9> only if i open too many things at once
[19:01] <sn9> like OOo
[19:01] <persia> Maybe that's why I think everything has high RAM requirements :)
[19:02] <sn9> the UME kvm image has a bad menu.lst file, btw
[19:02] <sn9> it's valid, but incorrect
[19:03] <persia> Incorrect?  Which image did you install?
[19:03] <sn9> the kvm one
[19:03] <persia> Oh.  Quite possibly.
[19:04] <sn9> easy to fix, though
[19:04] <persia> With ubuntu-mobile-builder, or by hand?
[19:04] <sn9> fixing the file? easy by hand
[19:04] <persia> Yeah :)
[19:05] <persia> It's getting the code that generates the code that generates the file to do it right that's tricky.
[19:05] <sn9> here are the things wrong with the file:
[19:06] <sn9> 1) splashimage= line missing
[19:06] <sn9> 2) hiddenmenu uncommented, hiding the splash
[19:07] <sn9> 3) kopt line missing options "acpi=force snd.cards_limit=0"
[19:07] <sn9> those options are needed for the lpia kernel to work right in kvm/qemu
[19:09] <persia> Hmm.  Worked for me in kvm without any changes.  Are you using the 8.04.1 image?
[19:09] <sn9> yep
[19:14] <sn9> come to think of it, those options best always be used for the lpia kernel anywhere
[23:06] <shane_> Hello, does a Dell Axim X5 32mb support Ubuntu MID?
[23:09] <shane_> Would anyone like to take a guess
[23:15] <sn9> i would guess no