[00:05] hm, someone needs to update that schedule or the factoid is worthless [01:31] hello [01:31] hmmm wrong channel [02:22] i have this 'winbind' package in my update manager, and it never installs, because its broken [02:22] and it sucks, because now i cant download songbird from getdeb website, because it say my system has broken dependency [02:25] This is not a support channel. [02:25] yes, but someone has banned me from the support channel and all other place [02:26] i have no where to go, i dont know what to do [02:26] And yet it remains that this is still not a support channel. [02:26] plz unban me so i can goto the support channel [02:26] You should have thought of that during one of your many chances at redeeming yourself. [02:27] thats the problem, when i do something, i never think before [02:27] then perhaps you need to learn to. [02:29] all the time when i was little, my mom told me "think before you do", and then i went and did some stupid shit [02:29] and i would always get in trouble at school, like that one time when i jumped on the couch and it broke [02:35] im a dumbass, i will never get unbanned :( [02:35] i dont never understand nothing [02:47] smallfoot-, how old are you? [02:48] and congratulations on the triple negative there... [02:49] 13 [02:50] then you have plenty of time to learn. in the mean time, the forums can help you [02:50] !forums [02:50] The Ubuntu forums can be found at http://www.ubuntuforums.org. There is also a channel on IRC Freenode #ubuntuforums. [02:51] if you actually follow their rules. [02:51] which is basically 'abide by the Code of Conduct' [02:51] oh [02:51] if you abide by the code, you're going to be pretty much fine in any ubuntu setting [02:52] but when i critize something either, A) they tell me "its a feature not a bug", B) they me "its open source, so fix it", C) they direct me to a 75 page howto guide, D) they call me a troll and ban me [03:02] smallfoot-: Usually that has to do with the way you ask. [03:18] -Doppp- AmpArga 2.6 - http://amparga.laguuni.com just got this in #ubuntu [03:19] pm? [03:19] it doesn't load at any rate [03:19] no, a /notice [03:23] amparga is an mIRC script... a "np" script, whatever that is. Seems to control winamp? [03:24] np = now playing [03:26] ah [03:29] I think I actually have the topic right in -meeting now [03:29] !idle | smallfoot- [03:29] smallfoot-: Please keep in mind that this channel is for operator/abuse questions only, and we ask you to part when you have no further business here, in order to keep track of users with pending inquiries. [03:30] smallfoot-, please part. [03:31] hmm [03:31] 1s [03:31] ok unban me [03:31] bye! [03:32] * Pici facepalms [03:33] now I understand the virtues of clearing out bans. [03:33] They tend to pile up otherwise. [03:38] bazhang: it's why i use 10 minute self-removing quiets 99% of the time [03:38] nalioth, not sure what a self-removing quiet is; care to expand? [03:39] bazhang: auto_bleh.pl for irssi and subsequently chanserv.py for xchat have it as an option [03:39] * nickrud would like to know about self removing bans also, but it's probably some irssi thing [03:39] chanserv.py? (me goes off to look) [03:40] /at [03:40] nalioth, I have the latter; would you happen to know the command? [03:40] * nalioth smacks nickrud with the obvious [03:40] in auto_bleh [03:40] bazhang: i have no clue. i don't use xchat [03:40] ah okay thanks nalioth [03:40] bazhang: chanserv.py IS commented [03:41] !chanserv.py [03:41] http://kaarsemaker.net/software/chanserv/ === Mudkipz___ is now known as Jesus [03:41] Howdy ya'll [03:42] Jesus: How can we help you? === Jesus is now known as Guest74859 [03:42] registering the name jesus should be blasphemi === Guest74859 is now known as Christ [03:42] that's moar like it. [03:42] I could use a flannel right now. [03:42] halp pls. [03:43] nalioth: ^ [03:43] ^ THIS IS SPARTA [03:43] I mean... our lords kingdom of heaven? [03:43] Christ: If you don't mind just leaving, it'd be appreciated. [03:43] TONIGHT WE DINE, in a small shack on the street corner, last supper pls. [03:44] Flannel: freenode will probably want to step on it [03:44] ^ blasphemi [03:45] !idle | Christ [03:45] Christ: Please keep in mind that this channel is for operator/abuse questions only, and we ask you to part when you have no further business here, in order to keep track of users with pending inquiries. [03:45] there's got to be at least 100 people on this channel and no one's talking? [03:45] Christ, part now please. [03:45] !idle | bazhang [03:45] bazhang: Please keep in mind that this channel is for operator/abuse questions only, and we ask you to part when you have no further business here, in order to keep track of users with pending inquiries. [03:46] not willing to switch to irssi just for that one feature. [03:46] going from konversation to xchat was jarring enough. [03:47] bazhang yeah, I don't see it either, in a quick cruise through the code. Don't python, but luckily python is wordy enough for me to be semi literate reading wise [03:48] nickrud, thanks! :) [03:48] * stdin learnt python in a couple days [03:49] mostly from reading the code actually [03:49] ditto [03:49] if you learn to read forth, you can read anything ;) [03:49] sorta anyway [03:50] bazhang: I don't think it is. [03:51] Flannel, the auto-remove feature? [03:51] bazhang: a question about mint [03:51] aha [03:51] !mintsupport [03:51] Linux Mint is not a supported derivitve of Ubuntu, please seek support in #linuxmint on irc.spotchat.org [03:56] reading the code? whoa. [03:57] And I just opened Add/Remove for the first time today. [03:57] Flannel: you lacking some spirituality lately? :P [03:57] nalioth: What? [03:58] Oh, telling Christ to leave. [03:58] bazhang: the 'feature' exists in chanserv.py [03:58] Flannel: no, he mentioned you by name ( figured he was here to prop you up :P ) [03:58] nalioth, thanks. Have yet to find it, but will keep looking. [03:58] nalioth: I think its because I had responded to him [03:59] but, that could be. [03:59] !diety [03:59] Sorry, I don't know anything about diety [03:59] what!? [03:59] !deity [03:59] Sorry, I don't know anything about deity [03:59] hmm [03:59] is it a @? [03:59] could be [03:59] @diety [03:59] !prayer [03:59] could be spelling [03:59] Dear $DEITY, Give me strength to understand and work with users who question my logic, the rules, netiquette and common sense. Give me resilience to teach them the basics of Linux, Ubuntu, Community Guidelines and IRC. Allow me not to stray to nitpicking, argument, foul language or leisure op abuse. Deliver me my daily xkcd, User Friendly, LWN, /. and Planet Ubuntu, and guard over my encrypted drives. Let it be so. [03:59] it's deity [04:00] I did that. [04:00] diety is when you try to get thinner [04:00] ah, prayer [04:00] blech [04:00] Pici: yes, well, fasting and all... theyre practically interchangable :) [04:00] its also !myrtt.i [04:41] sizzam called the ops in #ubuntu () [04:41] got it [04:44] one more out of pizza/blak1, and I'll ban him if no one else does [04:44] Im waiting on enter [04:44] forward here? [04:44] I was just going to remove him [04:45] In #ubuntu-offtopic, SNuxoll said: !troll is please don't feed the trolls, they'll go away eventually if you ignore them. [04:45] !troll [04:45] Sorry, I don't know anything about troll [04:45] joejoecircusboy could be trouble too. [04:46] he was amusing last night, but did walk the edge a couple times [04:46] !atroll [04:46] trolling / trollish behaviour is behaviour that is considered annoying by other channel users, this includes going offtopic, asking the same question time and again getting answered and not acknowledging the answer, and these are not the only ways behaviour can be considered trolling, please see /msg ubotu guidelines - if this applies to you, you may find yourself outside the channel [04:47] !troll is atroll [04:47] In #ubuntu-ops, nickrud said: !troll is atroll [04:47] Itd be fine conversation in -offtopic, but... seems facetious in #ubuntu [04:47] [pizza] (n=blake@ip72-221-66-119.ri.ri.cox.net): purple this looks very familiar [04:47] he changes nicks lots [04:48] purple is default pidgin gecos [04:49] I mean the blake@ etc part [04:51] well, he's silent now so not an issue I guess [04:51] it's all too familiar. there is a regular troll from ri.ri.cox.net [04:52] awww [04:52] btlogin is broked. [04:52] @btlogin [04:52] nickrud: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information. [04:52] oh well. [04:52] nickrud: you BWOKE IT [04:52] Was going to look for other bans on ri.ri.cox [04:52] jussi01 pinging you and stdin for bantracker :) [04:53] nalioth I'd like to take credit, but I haven't logged on in 24 hours ;) [04:56] Flannel: you might not find any in the bantracker ( /me was speaking of the whole network ) [04:56] Was just going to take a glance, but you're right, I won't! [04:58] @btlogin [04:58] fixed [04:58] thanks [04:59] breaking bt seems mild in comparison to breaking ubottu [04:59] don't break it, nickrud [04:59] I won't log in without your supervision nalioth I promis [04:59] go for it, just dont break anythin' [04:59] aka "the ^daisy^ incident" [04:59] and don't feed them after midnight [04:59] it's not that it broke, it just wasn't fixed enough :) [05:00] or keystone kops revisited [05:03] weeee xkcd [05:43] * Hobbsee headdesks. [05:44] Hobbsee: eh? [05:44] Hobbsee: Best to not trip in front of your desk [05:45] heh [06:01] dear emma, please stop attempting to bait me. it fails. kthxbye. [06:04] sigh [06:09] no it doesnt [09:13] morning [09:14] moin [09:15] :) [09:19] moin [09:19] hey hey [11:27] @schedule Helsinki [11:27] Myrtti: Schedule for Europe/Helsinki: 08 Aug 18:00 EEST: Ubuntu Release | 11 Aug 07:00 EEST: Arizona LoCo IRC | 14 Aug 15:00 EEST: Ubuntu Mobile Team | 14 Aug 17:00 EEST: Ubuntu Java Team | 21 Aug 15:00 EEST: Ubuntu Mobile Team | 21 Aug 17:00 EEST: Ubuntu Java Team [11:27] errrrrr [11:27] stdin *poke* [11:27] ? [11:28] ^ [11:28] see anything intresting? [11:30] hmm? [11:30] * stdin is still on the caffeine drip [11:32] it shows the same meetings twice [11:32] two hours apart [11:33] no, wait [11:33] * Myrtti gets more caffeine herself [11:52] whats the deal with supporting mint [11:52] as far as I'm concerned it's not our responsability to support mint and the mint support resources should be used [11:52] am I right/wrong on this ? [11:54] afaik yes you are right [11:55] right all the way. [11:56] xnv, what is up [11:56] * xnv doesn't like to see an op kick someone and then claim all discussion about why that person was kicked is off-topic [11:56] xnv: it is offtopic [11:56] #ubuntu is for support [11:57] discussion for the moderation and operating #ubuntu is for this channel [11:57] Myrtti: I think it's against the spirit of the community [11:57] xnv: disuss it in the right place then [11:58] xnv: ubuntu is for support, discussing if someone should / shouldn't have been removed is not support [11:58] that the channel of some 1300 users isn't muddled with non support related discussion? [11:59] what is the problem with providing support for Mint users, if someone wishes to? [11:59] kenkku: because that is not the topic of the channel [11:59] kenkku: you're welcome to do so on pm or some other channel [11:59] kenkku: what is the problem with a user using the correct support resources [11:59] It's one thing if it becomes a long-winded discussion. It's another if a few people question it and, instead of getting some sort of calming answer, they are told to STFU because it's off-topic [12:00] xnv: no-one was told to STFU [12:00] ikonia: That's the impression I got from your rather stiff and quick off-topic remark. [12:00] Anyway, lunch time for me. [12:00] 11:24 < ikonia> guys lets not discuss it and get back to support discussion [12:00] how is that stiff [12:01] ikonia: the problem is that mint only differs a tiny bit, mostly in the desktop configuration and some tools. if the rest is applicable to ubuntu, I see no problem in helping the user. [12:01] and how is that STFU [12:01] because you forgot the word "here" after "discuss it" [12:01] !mint [12:01] The following are some examples of Ubuntu derived distributions that we cannot provide support for due to repository and software changes, please consult their websites for more information: gNewSense (support in #gnewsense), Linux Mint (see !mintsupport), LinuxMCE (support in #linuxmce), Ubuntu Ultimate [12:01] !mintsupport [12:01] Linux Mint is not a supported derivitve of Ubuntu, please seek support in #linuxmint on irc.spotchat.org [12:01] ooh, a typo [12:01] ha :) [12:02] !mintsupport ~= /derivitve/derivative/ [12:02] In #ubuntu-ops, Myrtti said: !mintsupport ~= /derivitve/derivative/ [12:02] !mintsupport ~= /derivitve/derivative/ [12:02] I'll remember that Myrtti [12:04] is this guy trying to troll now [12:04] if the problem is 100% the same in ubuntu and mint, why cannot the user use "our resources"? [12:04] ooh, cheese. [12:04] kenkku: because its a different distro [12:05] ikonia: if it uses the same packages (in the parts that are relevant), why does it matter? [12:05] ikonia: does canonical pay you to provide support for ubuntu? [12:05] kenkku: no [12:05] kenkku: why can you just not accept the policy set [12:05] see, you have no reason to NOT help if the problem can be solved [12:05] kenkku, the distro is different; trust me I have used both [12:06] kenkku, you are welcome to PM him [12:06] kenkku: and where do we draw the line then where we support mint and where we don't? [12:07] kenkku, someone just asked for help with freebsd, should that be answered as well? I know a bit about freebsd so why not, right? [12:07] Myrtti: the user should be notified that we might not be able to support them, but others should still have a chance to help, if they can [12:07] it's easier to say - we don't support it and leave the support of it to pm's and other venues than to support it here and there and end up muddling the waters of *both* Ubuntu and Mint users [12:07] kenkku: the user was notified on multiple occasions and pointed at the correct support resources [12:07] bazhang: if freebsd was an ubuntu derivative, I'd see no problem with it [12:07] kenkku, there is a reason there are different support resources and channels, each with their own guidelines and rules. [12:07] if people are willing to help, I see no reason to drive the user away [12:08] kenkku, and you are free to PM him and help [12:08] and using the channel would be bad because? [12:08] kenkku, #ubuntu however has guidelines about supporting ubuntu; that is the way it is. [12:09] kenkku, it is a very crowded channel. [12:09] and mint does things differently than ubuntu [12:09] yeah, more people to provide support, it's great [12:09] more people to get confused [12:09] ##linux for example; where you are free to join him kenkku [12:09] kenkku: your welcome to start your own "debian based distro support" and support everything you want [12:10] well, I guess you're not the ones who decide the policy [12:10] and everyone seems to be against me :P [12:10] we're just trying to explain the policy [12:11] I'm just trying to explain why the policy is wrong in my opinion [12:11] policies change [12:11] but apparently this one won't [12:11] we cannot support every unofficial Ubuntu derivative there is [12:11] starting to support one in one part is a start on sliding on a slippery slope [12:12] I wonder what you'll do when ubuntu gets more popular [12:13] if you mean the volume of support requests here [12:13] kenkku, you may do your own distro: kenkku-linux and support everything [12:15] well, it seems the policy is to stay and nobody agrees with me. thanks anyway. [12:15] it's always worth trying :P [12:18] xnv, anything else you wish to discuss? [12:21] snd yet noone used debian support vs ubuntu support [12:21] s/snd/and [12:22] we also make the policies last i heard [12:25] !idle | xnv [12:25] xnv: Please keep in mind that this channel is for operator/abuse questions only, and we ask you to part when you have no further business here, in order to keep track of users with pending inquiries. [12:26] bazhang: hes eating i think [12:26] gnomefreak, hi! [12:26] hi bazhang [12:26] gnomefreak: well by that scope you could push the mint users in to #debian [12:27] ikonia, haha [12:27] ikonia: my point was we dont support debian and they dont support us but we are a dirvitive of debian [12:28] so should debian support all of the flavors of debian [12:28] and I concur [12:28] imagine the chaos [12:28] i think he ws looking for a fight [12:28] was [12:28] dreamlinux and ubuntu and elive [12:29] best not to advertise in the very first post that you are using mint I suppose [12:29] sorry for all the typos i only have one hand to type with [12:30] can we remove and forward or do we have to ban to forward [12:30] once he re-entered he said he was on a ubuntu livecd [13:03] PriceChild, you about? [13:40] PriceChild, seisen was looking for you earlier about a cloak [13:40] err Pricey [13:40] When kenkku comes back, suggest he asks for ubuntu help in #debian [13:40] Don't.. But liken it. [13:41] lol [13:41] Ahh seisen.. [13:41] no, get him to, then he'll appreciate us more :Þ [13:45] Ah seisen, not capable of sorting that atm [13:45] wrong window? [13:45] When i get home to a full shell i'll take a look [13:45] seisen isnt here. [13:46] Is this not -ops? [13:46] I know [13:46] Okay [13:46] Was replying here though [13:46] I thought you were talking to him. [13:46] I believe his cloak was removed, but that might just be a similar name [13:47] that is what he said [13:47] Yes, he said that. [13:47] Right [13:47] iirc he's the guy who said something stupid in ##windows [13:47] He came in the other day looking for an ircc member, I think he ended up deciding to shoot something off to the ircc list. [13:48] Well unless elky or nalioth want to sort that i'll look this evening. [13:48] It has been some time [13:48] it has, i thought we'd sorted it out once before to be honest [13:49] thought vooloo looked familiar (moojk) [13:51] he's been given a walkthrough on how to get wireless but doesnt follow up [13:51] just a fyi [14:09] Who is in charge of or where can I find out who is in charge of #ubuntu-de [14:10] I have a dipute with a channel operator [14:10] i slept over it one night and am still upset [14:11] backenfutter: /msg chanserv access #ubuntu-de list will help you find operators of that channel, and #ubuntu-irc is the international ubuntu irc operators channel. [14:25] porn...cake... [14:25] right hten. [14:26] that reminds me of something. [14:26] (+1) [15:00] DJones called the ops in #ubuntu (wh0) [15:01] He's causing trouble in #wikipedia-en too [15:02] Removed, hopefully he doesn't return. [15:02] also issued heads up on -irc [15:02] :) [15:15] FloodBot3 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (flood) [15:16] !staff [15:16] Hey nalioth, jenda, rob, SportChick, seanw, Dave2, Christel, tomaw, Gary or PriceChild, I could use a bit of your time :) [15:16] Looking. [15:16] seanw: ty [15:20] seanw: let me know when you think we can put the modes back to normal [15:21] Good $(time_of_day). If a bot wrangler is here, I'd like to request a bug bot for #ubuntu-java [15:21] Pici, should be okay now :) [15:21] seanw: thanks [15:31] * persia will return another time to seek a bug bot [15:33] bah [15:34] @schedule [15:35] When is the next IRCC meeting again? [16:25] @now [17:10] #ubuntu-offtopic -> lawl posted a link. Each click he gets allows him access to more porn. (http://www.ihateyoujulia.com/ ?id=ad2009affbf2ae22997a373903191195) I find this rather distasteful :/ [17:12] oooo, ooooo, and under false pretenses too :p ("can you guys check if this link works?") [17:13] I see him [17:13] I just don't like being used to further somebody's fetish [17:13] thats fine, I see him [17:14] also 6:42 -!- Neo-Omega [n=NeoOmega@96.242.86.45] has quit ["Now you f**ked up."] [17:14] nice part message [17:21] he was asked to change that; seems to have added two ** [17:24] on it [17:37] why are so many users changing their nick to guest*number when they sign in ? [17:37] they sign in with a nick like "john" and it gets changed [17:38] ikonia: The new freenode services package has a feature called enforce that makes sure that no one /nicks to your name when you are not online. If you do so, after a few minutes, you get switched to Guest##### [17:39] Its not on by default iirc. [17:39] ooh [17:39] thats interesting [17:39] didn't know that [17:39] so it's the common names like "john" for example that are getting pepople switched [17:39] Those are the most noticable. [17:39] yup [17:39] thank you [17:40] Sure [17:46] /ns help set secure [18:02] hello [18:04] heya Myrtti [18:04] :-D [18:17] * Myrtti gives Mez a lucky kick in the butt [18:17] o [18:17] ow * [18:50] whoever has admin in ot should step in NOW [18:51] bazhang: I wish I could help. [18:51] jpds, same here [18:51] amirman called the ops in #ubuntu-offtopic () [18:52] zaapiel asus in ot [18:52] should I? [18:52] is he? [18:53] I think I might [18:53] he is way past the line [18:53] bazhang: argh, I thought you got ops in there, sorry for not doing anything [18:54] nicely done :) [18:54] Pici, my mistake sorry [18:54] very nice Myrtti [18:54] No need to apologize [18:55] lol @ nal [18:55] no bot haha [18:55] good idea to m for a bit [18:56] Myrtti: i think you've made your point [18:56] I'll let them stew for few moments more [18:57] go ahead nal [18:57] you're no fun [18:58] nope, i'm no fun at all :( [19:29] I've already told backenfutter how to dispute that. [19:35] I was about to groan about the picture used on the latest peru bug jam planet post... but then I saw the following text :) [20:10] !test > Pici [20:10] Pici, please see my private message [20:19] what's the channel for people who code ubottu etc.? [20:19] #dib5sn I think [20:20]