[16:10] <emunkki> hi newz2000
[16:10] <newz2000> howdy emunkki
[16:11] <emunkki> i'm trying to get my vmware-mulated windows to shut down >__<
[16:11] <emunkki> it's SO unresponsive
[16:12] <emunkki> might be because of vmware as well, but still i think it's windows which causes the most of the problem
[16:12] <newz2000> have you tried virtualbox?
[16:12] <emunkki> hmm
[16:12] <emunkki> nope
[16:12] <newz2000> it's got this slick "seemless" mode and folder sharing
[16:12] <newz2000> so that folders in your home directory show as network drives
[16:13] <newz2000> for me with xp its very responsive
[16:13] <emunkki> but it's not for 64?
[16:13] <newz2000> oh, don't know actually
[16:13] <emunkki> and does it use the devices natively on windows or through linux?
[16:13] <newz2000> I think you can choose...
[16:13] <emunkki> ok
[16:14] <emunkki> because the reason why i need vmware is photoshop working effectively with a wacom tablet
[16:14] <newz2000> the only problem where I like vmware better is if you're using wifi then you have to use the NAT networking which means you can't run a server
[16:14] <emunkki> linux can't handle them as good as windows, yet
[16:14] <newz2000> ah, haven't tried that
[16:14] <emunkki> photoshop cs2 would run on wine, though :P
[16:14] <emunkki> just waiting for the better wacom support
[16:15] <emunkki> anyway, will boot now to get responsive vmware-windows back ->
[17:02] <newz2000> emunkki: would you be OK with me using your kubuntu start page mockup as part of an email newsletter template for ubuntu/canonical newsletters?
[17:06] <emunkki> newz2000, sure
[17:06] <newz2000> cool
[17:06] <emunkki> newz2000, if you want, you can put my name there
[17:07] <emunkki> newz2000, Pasi Lallinaho // emunkki
[17:08] <newz2000> would you be ok if I just gave you credit for the idea when communicating with people about the mockup? I'm not sure its appropriate (or desirable for you) to have your name in the emails
[17:08] <emunkki> yeah that's ok as well
[17:08] <newz2000> ok, I'll make sure to praise your name when I show it off
[17:08] <newz2000> :-)
[17:09] <emunkki> hehe ok ;)
[17:09] <emunkki> i already got two new commercial projects today :o
[17:09] <newz2000> is this what you do for a living?
[17:09] <emunkki> a few people has ASKED my client for my contact information
[17:09] <emunkki> yes, definately :)
[17:10] <newz2000> where are you located?
[17:10] <emunkki> that's why i'm so superior ;))
[17:10] <emunkki> finlanf
[17:10] <emunkki> *f=d
[17:10] <newz2000> dinland?
[17:10] <newz2000> :-)
[17:10] <emunkki> lol
[17:10] <emunkki> i always get typos when i write "finland"
[17:11] <emunkki> if i don't especially try hard to write it correctly
[17:11] <emunkki> basically i would be very interested and open for international clients as well...
[17:11] <emunkki> i might even be able to live abroad for some time
[17:12] <newz2000> ever thought of moving to Des Moines Iowa USA?
[17:12] <newz2000> just a bit of an inside joke actually
[17:13] <emunkki> lol :D
[17:13] <emunkki> nope
[17:13] <newz2000> most of the design work I know about is here (in Iowa where I'm at)
[17:13] <emunkki> let me specify: i would be able to live abroad @europe for some time ;)
[17:14] <emunkki> really, states are too far away from my life
[17:14] <emunkki> as is asia
[17:14] <newz2000> I know how it is actually
[17:14] <emunkki> though it seems that all the indian webdesigners already work @finland :P
[17:15] <emunkki> (i see them A LOT when i go to my studies)
[17:15] <newz2000> you're a student too?
[17:16] <emunkki> they're working nearby a train station which is along my route to studies
[17:16] <emunkki> yes
[17:16] <emunkki> i'm studying to be a youth leader/social worker
[17:16] <emunkki> that's my another passion, but it has had a bit smaller role in my life for some time already
[17:17] <newz2000> what does a youth leader in finland do?
[17:17] <emunkki> well uhmm...
[17:17] <emunkki> can do a lot ;)
[17:17] <emunkki> basically just organises happenings
[17:18] <emunkki> depends on if he/she is working on community/city or parish
[17:18] <emunkki> actually my title would be "bachelor of social services"
[17:18] <emunkki> but i'm deepening into young people and that's why i also get the right to work as a youth leader in parishes
[17:19] <emunkki> and i'm gonna also get a possibility to work as a missionary secretary or sth :P
[17:20] <emunkki> don't really know what that person does, i've only seen one and he walked around the place all day long looking busy
[17:20] <emunkki> i never catched him doing anything proper in a year
[17:20] <newz2000> I've known people like that too
[17:21] <emunkki> but that's what a lot of people think of us graphic designers also :
[17:21] <emunkki> :P
[17:21] <newz2000> gotta find inspiration
[17:21] <emunkki> yeah
[17:21] <emunkki> my mother always says that i don't do any proper job
[17:21] <emunkki> but still my salary is way higher than her
[17:21] <emunkki> ;)
[17:22] <emunkki> or earnings to be correct
[17:22] <emunkki> because salary <<< earnings
[17:22] <newz2000> I've tried to describe my job to my parents too... my mom kind of gets it but my dad is still pretty clueless
[17:23] <emunkki> heh
[17:23] <emunkki> what do you actually do?
[17:23] <newz2000> I'm the Ubuntu.com webmaster
[17:23] <emunkki> is your salary a secret?
[17:23] <newz2000> probably best
[17:24] <emunkki> :)
[17:24] <newz2000> but it may not be relevant across countries any how
[17:24] <emunkki> ywah
[17:24] <emunkki> w=e
[17:24] <newz2000> even here in the US Iowa has a pretty low cost of living
[17:24] <emunkki> yeah, well finland is a pretty expensive country
[17:24] <emunkki> and euro is a lot stronger than us dollar
[17:24] <emunkki> at least atm
[17:25] <emunkki> it's so damn cheap to order cds from there :P
[17:25] <newz2000> what about shipping?
[17:25] <emunkki> well, last time i ordered a cd from an amazon marketplace seller:
[17:25] <emunkki> cd: 3,10 - shipping: 4,40 (in euros)
[17:26] <emunkki> so that's it's bad side
[17:26] <emunkki> though cds cost like 20-25 euros here
[17:26] <newz2000> wow
[17:26] <emunkki> without shipping, if you order them to your home
[17:26] <newz2000> if cds cost that much here p2p would be unstoppable
[17:27] <newz2000> (though it probably is anyway)
[17:27] <emunkki> well do you think it's stoppable here in finland? ;)
[17:27] <emunkki> i think there was a research that 80% of the families in finland download illegal material in finland
[17:27] <newz2000> I meant "no one in the US would buy the CDs"
[17:27] <emunkki> or was it 60% - but that isn't the actual percent anyway
[17:28] <emunkki> and that concerns only families, not individual persons
[19:36] <ryanakca> newz2000: ping, I'll be back on August 28th, family vacation. I might manage to stop by on IRC once or twice.
[19:50] <newz2000> ryanakca: ok, have fun.
[19:50] <newz2000> I think I'll be away some of that same time