[00:12] tormod, :-) [00:15] bryce: there's some truth to it though - people install it more often than they need [00:16] I agree [00:17] tormod: my thinking here is that we should make a big push before intrepid is out, to get the number of bug reports filed against -ati down [00:17] ideally to ~1-- [00:17] er ~100 [00:17] what about pushing out a new version? [00:18] we've got 6.9.0 which is current right? [00:18] debian has a git snapshot which might be worth looking at [00:19] current in the sense of official releases, but you know releases are cheap^w expensive upstream [00:19] well, for now I think it would be good for us to get more bug reports forwarded upstream [00:20] if they do a 6.9.1 release before things are too frozen, we could pull that in; if not, maybe it'd give us patches we could pull in [00:24] hmm 176 bugs. we were close to 100 some months ago... [00:24] http://people.ubuntu.com/~brian/complete-graphs/xserver-xorg-video-ati/plots/xserver-xorg-video-ati-fullyear-open.png [00:25] I'll bet we could get back to 150 fairly easily. Probably there's a lot of bugs without response that can be closed [00:26] and others that are probably obsolete now [00:26] ahem some year ago I guess I meant :) [00:26] ;-) [00:27] it can be done though... check out -intel: http://people.ubuntu.com/~brian/complete-graphs/xserver-xorg-video-intel/plots/xserver-xorg-video-intel-fullyear-open.png [00:27] looks good. [00:28] maybe someone with bughelper foo can mass-ask for people to try intrepid with a new ati driver [00:28] if we can do the same with -ati then I think we can ratchet up being more aggressive at recommending it in place of -fglrx, maybe even deprecate fglrx even more actively [00:29] brian's promised to spend tomorrow working on X bugs, so I'll ask if he could do that [00:30] what if you push out the 1:6.9.0+git20080802.1f3eee36-1 before that :) [00:33] yeah could be done... [00:34] * bryce puts on the todo list for tomorrow [00:34] tomorrow - that reminds me - good night :) [00:35] night [00:35] tormod: will you be around tomorrow for -ati bug triage fun? [00:35] not so sure :P Is it a hug day or something? [00:37] it's the global bug jam, and I'm going to be getting together in person with brian, leann, and others downtown, and try to get much of brian's help on bug triaging [00:37] so if you're around it could help for answer questions and such [00:38] what time is this UTC? [00:40] downtown where? I would have guessed you're Irish, but either living in Australia or having a broken day rhythm :) [00:43] heh, no I'm in Portland Oregon (west coast US) [00:44] so starts 9am Pacific time, which is... [00:44] like utc 1600 if I subtract correctly [00:45] hmm that calendar-Locations drop-down should have had timezones... [00:45] oh it actually has... [00:48] if it's raining I might drop by [00:48] night [00:48] night [08:01] just bought a tablet! hope it's supported too, aiptek media tablet 1000U [08:02] hmm, has it's own driver, duh [08:02] and no support for this one, crap [08:05] heh [08:05] you have a bug to fix! [08:05] at least the driver doesn't say so [08:05] or a device to sell! :) [08:05] it was only 50e, cheapest wacom was 80 [08:05] interesting [08:06] this is a "second-hand" device, returned by the previous customer, so I'm not sure I can get a refund [08:07] well the cheapest wacom was probably a bamboo [08:07] yep [08:07] i see lots of reports about that too [08:07] intuos3 A5 ~380e [08:08] see, i just splurged a little more on my laptop [08:08] tabletPC [08:08] heh [08:12] are you sure it's a 1000U? [08:19] hehehe.. 10000U [08:19] my eyes.. [08:19] ah, ok [08:20] crazyness in -devel [08:20] regarding x [08:21] hmm :) [08:21] should read the backlog first [08:21] http://aiptektablet.sourceforge.net/ [08:21] still no 10000U [08:50] i think you're just hosed if https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AiptekTablet doesn't work [08:50] you could try writing them and asking for documentation [08:55] aiptek? [08:56] yea [08:56] i mean, it can't hurt to at least try [08:57] since I can't return the device anyway, I'll just try configuring it and see if it works or not :) [08:57] and if not, mail them [09:02] at least it works as a mouse :) [09:03] oh? [09:03] a bit too sensitive though [09:03] thats good to hear that it works [09:03] evdev grabbed it [09:03] they have a config tool [09:04] I'll try the aiptek driver next [09:04] oh and I should create an fdi file for it [09:04] if you can repro anything on here, that'd be handy [09:05] https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-input-aiptek/+bug/204519 [09:05] Launchpad bug 204519 in xserver-xorg-input-aiptek "Cursor movement but no contact/pressure detection on Aiptek USB tablet " [Undecided,Confirmed] [09:06] err [09:06] https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-input-aiptek/ [09:06] the whole lot of em. all 2 [09:08] heh [09:18] silly options there.. Option "USB" is mandatory, so why is it not the default [09:31] w00t, works! [09:31] just need to calibrate [09:32] somehow the udev rules file doesn't work right, I need to load the module manually [09:49] eh, so starting any gtk app dumps the DDC data on the log, every time [09:49] which means the logfile is going to grow rapidly [09:52] ok, the tablet has some problems still, seems to lose the calibration too easily [09:52] FYI we have a bug #255991 [09:52] Launchpad bug 255991 in xserver-xorg-video-geode "xf86-video-geode: DDC probing broken on GX2/CS5535 since 2.9.0 (patch)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/255991 [09:59] Q-FUNK: you can prepare a package and it will be sponsored [10:04] tjaalton: ack. thanks! [10:21] tjaalton: that's gtk calling XRRGetScreenResources on init, with the load detection and stuff that goes with it [10:22] that should be patched out... [10:30] yeah, figured as much.. [10:30] what would possibly break without that :) [10:32] all gtk cares about is the screen geometry, and it can get that from xinerama [10:36] cool [11:06] I need to fix hotkey-setup to work without discover.. so I need to find out the vendor ID of the display driver. what would be the easiest way to do that? [11:06] just grepping lspci output? [11:09] yeah, just match Intel or ATI/AMD [11:10] since the script does not need anything else [14:29] hello there [14:29] what should I expect from the new intel video upload ? better performance ? [14:30] I've a bug actually where the screen become black after usplash (ie I can't see GDM), it is a known bug ? [14:31] yes. don't use usplash. [14:31] :) [15:31] crevette: a known kernel problem, related to uvesafb [15:31] the only workaround is to disable uspash so [15:32] yes [16:17] Are you guys aware of the keyboard breakage in Intrepid? [16:17] yes? [16:18] My xorg log contains some funny snippets, such as (II) XINPUT: Adding extended input device "Video Bus" (type: KEYBOARD) [16:18] http://nullinfinity.org/tmp/Xorg.0.log [16:19] The keyboard kind of works, but modifier keys and the arrow keys are very erratic. [16:19] I got the advice to delete xorg.conf, but then X wouldn't even start. [16:19] is hal running? [16:19] yes [16:19] and make sure you have set the keyboard model as evdev [16:19] I have [16:20] ok, bug 255008 then [16:20] Launchpad bug 255008 in xorg-server "Up arrow key mapped to Print [screen]" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/255008 [16:21] Alrighty. What about those weird lines in xorg.conf where it apparently tries to add my video bus as a keyboard? [16:21] dunno, have to check the log [16:21] ..and I love it when firefox offers to open files with less [16:22] haha [16:22] make sure you have the latest xserver-xorg-core installed [16:22] yours is ubuntu2 [16:23] I just noticed. I'll install the latest updates and report back. Thank you. [16:23] cool [16:23] xorg.conf would help too [16:25] http://nullinfinity.org/xorg.conf [16:26] tjaalton: I fussed with that genius tablet more yesterday, but still no go. going to try the wacom's today probably [16:29] johanbr: ignore the stuff about the video bus [16:29] bryce: I created an fdi file for aiptek, it should work for those devices that are properly supported, but my 10000U probably isn't so there are some calibration issues [16:30] Alright, rebooting to see if this works. [16:31] uh, his logfile loads nvidia and the conf lists fglrx [16:38] Things worked much better efter updates. :) Thanks. [16:39] johanbr: how come your xorg.conf has fglrx and the logfile shows that nvidia was loaded?-) [16:40] tjaalton: Oh, I'm sorry. That must be the xorg.conf from my old laptop. :) [16:43] bryce, federico1: I have added another feature to the Xrandr C applet. Now after the apply button is clicked, the graphical representation of the outputs and the GUI in general are refreshed and reflect the current situation. It took me about 3 lines of C code ;) [16:44] any ideas as to how I can contribute patches to the project? [16:46] tseliot: a patch to gnome-control-center, you mean? just send it to me and I'll commit it [16:46] bryce: do you have a gnome svn account? [16:46] tseliot: you can get an account, too [16:47] federico1: shall make separate patches? I mean, separate from the XKit part? [16:49] tjaalton: debdiff attached to bug #255991 and ready to apply & upload to hardy-proposed. [16:49] Launchpad bug 255991 in xserver-xorg-video-geode "xf86-video-geode: DDC probing broken on GX2/CS5535 since 2.9.0 (patch)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/255991 [16:53] tseliot: yes, please, as xkit is not upstream yet [16:54] ok [16:54] tseliot: (these changes don't depend on it, do they?) [16:54] federico1: no, they don't depend on anything but the c applet itself ;) [16:54] ok, cool [17:42] morning [18:03] evening :) [18:13] playing with brian's wiimote [18:14] brian, leann, gchaix and I are having an on-site downtown portland, and I had them bring all manner of oddball input devices to try out [18:15] hehe [18:16] I need to upgrade my home desktop to intrepid, so my kids can play with the aiptek (when it works properly..) [18:18] I've got an fdi for the genius btw [18:19] tseliot: here's your xorg.conf - https://devpad.canonical.com/~brian/bugs-with-xorgconf.html [18:20] I forgot my laptop at work, the aiptek fdi is on it [18:20] s/xorg.conf/xorg.confs/ [18:21] that's not accessible by mere mortals :) [18:21] but then again, tseliot is not :) [18:21] tseliot: so next step is to write a screenscraper to download all of them, then probably remove any duplicates [18:22] ah, let me copy over [18:23] bryce_: speaking of wiimotes, i wonder if there's a set of media keys for volume , forward, etc [18:23] bryce, federico, seb128: I have submitted a patch which improves the Gnome Control Center: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=546969 [18:24] could be [18:24] Gnome bug 546969 in Screen resolution "The GUI components do not always reflect the current situation" [Normal,Unconfirmed] [18:24] tseliot: cool [18:25] bryce: that link requires a username and a password (which I don't have since I don't work for canonical) [18:26] hang on [18:28] http://bryceharrington.org/files/X/bugs-with-xorgconf.html [18:28] try that [18:30] bryce_: ok, I can access that page, thanks. I'll get them all with a script [18:30] kewl [18:34] bryce_: please keep that page online for a few days [18:34] sure thing [18:35] thanks [19:40] hmm, lotta EDID info being dumped into Xorg.0.log... tjaalton I think you mentioned this yesterday? [19:41] bryce: yep, it's gtk [19:42] 12:21 < jcristau> tjaalton: that's gtk calling XRRGetScreenResources on init, with the load detection and stuff that goes with it [19:42] 12:22 < jcristau> that should be patched out... [19:45] bryce: about bug 256142, the patch is already included [19:45] Launchpad bug 256142 in xserver-xorg-video-intel "Flickering with version 2.4.0" [Undecided,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/256142 [20:44] bryce, hi, are you jamming X bugs? [21:30] http://alex-weej.blogspot.com/2008/08/sucata-run-2008.html [21:31] http://alex-weej.blogspot.com/2008/08/sucata-run-2008.html [21:33] hi all [21:33] oh god, alex-weej_ ! [21:33] :S [21:33] i feel like a total gimp now [21:33] lol [21:33] lol [21:34] so i just upgraded one of my laptops to ibex [21:34] when it goes into x, keyboard stops working [21:34] there is no mouse either [21:34] but keyboard works fine in console [21:34] this is GNOME, and an upgrade from hardy not a fresh install [21:34] Jc2k: Make sure all your packages are up to date. [21:35] johanbr: any changes in past 2 hours.. [21:35] its a fresh upgrade [21:37] What's your version of xserver-xorg-core? [21:38] 2:1.4.99.906-1 [21:39] (secondary issue, it seems i can only get in to x if i boot in recovery mode and run startx manually.. booting normally yields a black screen) [21:39] before anyone else grills me for spam, sorry. "/amsg" works for all networks at once in X-Chat, CAUTION! [21:42] Jc2k: What's the -ubuntu suffix ? And what does Xorg.0.log say? [21:44] ubuntu3 [21:45] anything to look for in log? [21:45] hard to pastebin without browser (or even network) [21:45] brb [21:48] Jc2k: do you get the issue when you don't start GNOME? what videocard do you use? [21:50] wii works... although doesn't seem to show up in hal [21:50] tormod: yep we're jamming X bugs [21:51] bryce_: have you got to update -ati? [21:52] tormod: ah, forgot; I'll work on that once I'm done with the wii [21:53] bryce_: please cherry-pick the upstream fix for bug #148408 :) [21:53] Launchpad bug 148408 in xserver-xorg-video-ati "[M6 LY] System lockup when switching VT's or Resume from Suspend" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/148408 [21:56] seb128: its an intel chipset, one sec while i get the exact model [21:57] tormod: ok [21:58] seb128: i think its a GMA 950 [21:58] bryce_: or just go for git head :) [22:03] seb128: got any suggestions for testing x without gnome.. (no network on said laptop) [22:04] jc2k you could set your default window manager to xdm instead of gdm [22:04] Jc2k: select the failsafe session in the gdm sessions list? [22:04] or start up X manually [22:05] im in recovery mode [22:05] because it freezes on a black screen [22:05] otherwise [22:05] so im at a console and typing startx [22:05] it comes up with no mouse and no keyboard [22:06] urg [22:06] (well, ctrl+alt+del causes a shutdown) [22:06] tried to move the xorg.conf away? [22:06] yep [22:06] really weird, I'm not an xorg guy though, maybe bryce has an idea [22:06] (so to be clear, im not going through gdm) [22:07] and xdm isnt installed, so i cant try that [22:07] unless i battle with wireless [22:07] *misses network manager* [22:15] j [22:15] Jc2k: this sounds like the hotplug fun. Try the ServerFlags option "AllowEmptyInput" "false" [22:16] Jc2k: what version of hal? [22:17] and disable usplash [22:17] tjaalton: hal 0.5.11-3~ubuntu5 [22:17] I'm sick of this uvesafb bug :) [22:17] Jc2k: setxkbmap -print [22:18] tjaalton: and no usplash, because im booting in recovering mode to avoid a hang [22:18] it's not hung [22:18] the screen just stays blank [22:18] disable usplash and reboot [22:18] oh i see :) [22:19] setxkbmap doesnt work withou an x screen [22:19] right :) [22:19] the xorg log would help too [22:19] oh, and check that you have xserver-xorg-input-evdev installed [22:20] kk [22:20] gone for awhile-> [22:21] i have xserver-xorg-input-evdev [22:21] going to reboot without usplash now [22:21] pwnguin: you mentioned with the wii, that you were curious about media keys for volume, forward, etc. - could you explain more? The buttons seem mappable [22:23] tjaalton: victory, disabling splash == working mouse too [22:23] tjaalton: and kb [22:24] :) [22:26] bryce_: the buttons are mappable in cwiid (wminput) [22:26] but i dont know the x multimedia keys [22:27] it seems like they'd be more universal than setting up totem key bindings [22:27] sometimes i need mplayer, and it uses different keys for actions [22:29] hmm, well the remote shows up in xinput list, so presumably you could map the buttons to whatever you want [22:30] indeed [22:30] btw, which program are you using? [22:31] wminput and wmgui [22:31] and xinput list to view the remote [22:31] huh [22:32] it uses uinput last i knew [22:33] right, that's the kernel module [22:33] well, a kernel module [22:34] wminput basically talks with that [22:34] wminput reads from a set of config files to perform the mapping [23:05] bryce_: did you talk with Brian about bughelper and ati bugs? [23:08] btw would be awesome to have all (old and new) Xorg.0.log{.old} attachments forced to text/plain [23:12] tormod: yeah I asked kiko about that at the distro sprint a few weeks ago [23:13] calling brian... [23:13] -ati is built btw... I need to sync the changelogs and then will upload [23:14] tormod: What did you have n mind? [23:15] bdmurray: there are so many -ati bugs we want to mass-address with some "please try this and that etc" message [23:16] tormod: right, that's easy what specific criteria did you want to use? All New? All New and Confirmed? [23:18] bdmurray: I haven't thought so much about it. Bryce would talk to you :) [23:22] tormod: -ati uploading [23:23] bryce_: cool! [23:25] tormod: was easy, almost a sync, just one change to put forward [23:25] the conflict/replace for -driver-ati ? [23:26] yup [23:27] should I forward that patch to debian? [23:27] we've never shipped that [23:28] and i thought ubuntu was gonna drop that diff after hardy anyway [23:29] do we have -driver-ati in any supported release? [23:30] maybe like dapper or something [23:30] we don't ship it any longer [23:31] yes, dapper which is 5 years LTS... [23:31] 5 years on server that is? without X? [23:32] but aiui upgrades from dapper need to go through hardy, so they'd drop that package at that point [23:32] intrepid doesn't have to care [23:32] jcristau: right [23:43] bryce_: you did not cherry-pick that M6 fix? [23:47] are we coming up on any big freezes?