[00:56] <zoredache> df
[01:58] <PsynoKhi0> hi again, if anyone made any suggestion regading my issues earlier today, sorry I didn't see them (had probs with swap, ctrl alt backspaced out of a grinding hdd)
[02:01] <JD13> Hello I need some help. When I'm trying to run off the LiveCD without installing anything I keep getting errors. I get to the loading screen and then it goes to a black screen where it says there was an error with some I/O device. During this whole process all of my cd-drives kept making load noises.
[02:03] <Zeeded> JD13
[02:03] <Zeeded> I would try a fresh install of the LiveCD
[02:04] <JD13> I'm trying to make this CD for my friend to try.
[02:05] <PsynoKhi0> JD13 have you run the "Check CD for defects" utility?
[02:05] <JD13> i tried but it started up like it was going to run Xubuntu. Is that what it's supposed to do?
[02:06] <PsynoKhi0> you should get a menu to choose your language first
[02:06] <JD13> I'll go give it another try and see what happens
[02:07] <PsynoKhi0> you have cices like running without installing, installingm running in fail safe mode, check the cd etc.
[02:07] <PsynoKhi0> "cices" should have been "choices" :)
[02:09] <lee98632> any one in here?
[02:09] <JD13> Yeah I was using the running without installing
[02:09] <lee98632> ah ok
[02:10] <lee98632> um has there been any devlopment on  executing xubuntu on the PS3?
[02:10] <PsynoKhi0> JD13: well, can you run the CD check test?
[02:10] <lee98632> eh the 8.04 version that is
[02:10] <JD13> I'm going to try that
[02:11] <PsynoKhi0> lee98632: no clue, if it's been done, someone's prolly bragging about it on the web :)
[02:11] <lee98632> well that is the thing, I am trying to filtr fact from fiction lol
[02:11] <lee98632> right now I am on the PS3 and using 7.10
[02:12] <lee98632> SO I thaught Id come here and see if an yone was running 8.10 on the system
[02:12] <lee98632> eh 8.4
[02:12] <lee98632> erg to many versions to keep up with
[02:13] <lee98632> This is theonly treuly frutrating thing aobut linux, by the time you get used to it there is a newer version
[02:13] <dstaley> Is it possible to make an Ubuntu LiveCD with SSH installed?
[02:14] <lee98632> SSH?
[02:15] <dstaley> Yes, Secure SHell
[02:15] <lee98632> I am still a newbe
[02:15] <dstaley> As were we all at one point.
[02:16] <PsynoKhi0> you remind that to a lot of people out there please hehe
[02:17] <lee98632> I figured out just enough on how to get it to execute on the PS3 in 7.10. and get the screen changed so I don't have extremely low resolution
[02:17] <PsynoKhi0> way too many who make you think the first thing they did at birth was asking the medical staff for root password to get permission to cut the umbilical chord....
[02:17] <dstaley> Ubuntu on the PS3, yum.
[02:18] <lee98632> eh Tried that, eh, major systems drain lol
[02:18] <lee98632> really slow lol
[02:18] <dstaley> Is it so hard to get a decent LiveCD with SSH installed?
[02:18] <lee98632> Xubunu was the best way to go lol
[02:18] <dstaley> I mean, really. Even OS X has SSH by default.
[02:18] <dstaley> Albeit not enabled by default.
[02:20] <PsynoKhi0> might
[02:20] <lee98632> hmm wahts the comand for upgrading the machine?
[02:20] <PsynoKhi0> -m +n
[02:20] <lee98632> asied from te normal route
[02:20] <PsynoKhi0> thinking of sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[02:20] <lee98632> *ounds on the keyboard because it is a peice of junk*
[02:21] <lee98632> ahhh  that sounds logical..iam going to attempt it and see what happens
[02:21] <PsynoKhi0> might want to make sure you 7.10 is up to date irst
[02:21] <PsynoKhi0> first*
[02:22] <lee98632> It is,
[02:22] <PsynoKhi0> backed up your important stuff ?
[02:23] <lee98632> brand new install nothing to back up
[02:23] <PsynoKhi0> ah
[02:24] <PsynoKhi0> anyway GL, sudo apt-get pillow here
[02:24] <lee98632> it says it is a locked file, I trie the su command and it fails
[02:24] <lee98632> error in authentication
[02:24] <lee98632> hmm
[02:24] <lee98632> su
[02:25] <lee98632> even tried root and that did not work
[02:25] <lee98632> Duh, I guess i ned sudo in it ll
[02:26] <lee98632> its doing something
[02:26] <dstaley> I guess I could download Minibuntu, customize that, use remastersys to make a new LiveCD and boot the computer from that.
[02:27] <lee98632> Minibuntu? I thought XFCE was the smallest version
[02:27] <dstaley> Minibuntu is command line only.
[02:28] <lee98632> ehh oh eh that would make it tiny
[02:28] <dstaley> Yup.
[02:28] <lee98632> so its kinda like the base of the or jsut the kernal nad nothing else added?
[02:30] <lee98632> Hmm I heard talk once of  bringing linux into "machine language" waht are they atlaking about and could that help a great deal in the area of the PS3 and PC?
[02:30] <lee98632> Eh I think I jsut broke my system
[02:31] <lee98632> um
[02:33] <lee98632> eh system stopped at Generating /boot/initrd.img-2.6.22-15-cell eh is this a good thing or bad? and should I do a paste bin?
[02:33] <lee98632> becasue that seemd to fast for an upgrade
[02:35] <lee98632> !pastebin
[02:37] <lee98632> eh if any has the time can some one tke a look and see if this is an entire ugrade or is it a partial?
[02:37] <lee98632> http://paste.ubuntu.com/35329/
[02:39] <greeezzzyyy> Is there a way to revert to the original panels? i accidentally deleted it and cant find stuff like the network connection manager/etc
[02:40] <lee98632> Did you try logging out and reloggin ing for a default setting?
[02:40] <lee98632> I did this and wound up have to build a new one
[02:41] <lee98632> hmm though I like the idea of not having the split bar thing lol
[02:41] <lee98632> try logging out and the relaoding into default mode
[02:41] <lee98632> sometimes that works
[02:42] <lee98632> aside frm that I have  no idea other then to remake it
[02:42] <lee98632> or relaod the system
[02:43] <lee98632> ewferger My dog smells like dead snake
[02:43] <lee98632> going to give him a bath
[02:44] <greeezzzyyy> :(
[02:44] <lee98632> hobbsc does the code for and upgrade look complete?
[02:44] <lee98632> erg sorry that didnt work
[02:44] <lee98632> maybe Hobbsc can help
[02:44] <hobbsc> ?
[02:45] <lee98632> Greeeezy delted his bars
[02:45] <hobbsc> his panels?
[02:45] <lee98632> and I am afraid to restart my ssytem because I don't know If I have a complete upgrade or not lol
[02:45] <lee98632> eh yes
[02:46] <hobbsc> can you use alt+f2 and open a terminal?  you may be able to add stuff from there?
[02:46] <lee98632> and this is my problem
[02:47] <lee98632> http://paste.ubuntu.com/35329/
[02:47] <lee98632> the upgrade was really fast and wa under 10 minutes
[02:47] <lee98632> Most Upgrades I have tried were over 45 minutes
[02:47] <lee98632> well in ubuntu at least
[02:48] <lee98632> I am on a ps3 system
[02:48] <hobbsc> ps3?
[02:48] <lee98632> Playstation 3
[02:49] <hobbsc> oh, that's probably beyond me
[02:49] <lee98632> ahh... eh its a PPC
[02:49] <lee98632> well, I guess I do the crp shute lol
[02:50] <hobbsc> so what's wrong?  i don't see any errors in that update
[02:50] <lee98632> ok, I'll do a restart, It jsut seemed really short for an upgrade
[02:51] <lee98632> hmm either 2 things, Ill be back in a few minuetes to say hi, or Ill break lol
[02:51] <lee98632> I hope to brb.
[02:51] <lee98632> shutting sytem down for restart]
[02:52] <linuxnoob> hey guys. I'm trying to install on an older machine. 516MB RAM 10 GB ect....it currently runs windows 2000. I partitioned with gParted and during the xubuntu install it kept popping up errors syaing the kernel could not be installed blah bla blah
[02:59] <hobbsc> linuxnoob: i think the "blah blah blah" part is the important information we're missing :)
[02:59] <linuxnoob> I know.
[03:00] <linuxnoob> but is it possible that hardy heron version is too much for this old machine?
[03:00] <lee98632> ok i made it back, htt wasnt an upgrade that was an update I think
[03:03] <linuxnoob> hobbsc: I am trying to dual boot for some reason (i guess it's in case things go awry I still have an OS) but do you think that could be why?
[03:03] <hobbsc> linuxnoob: not withotu a little more information, what errors is it giving you?
[03:05] <linuxnoob> i'm not sure now heh
[03:08] <lee98632> version 4.4.1 (Xfce 4.4)eh is the  laetest version?
[03:09] <lee98632>  eh waht ws that sudo comand fro Upgrading?
[03:10] <lee98632> I gues I am upgraded
[03:11] <lee98632> its says zeor upgrades
[03:11] <lee98632> eh, wahts the comand line for version check?
[03:12] <lee98632> hmm gama corection does nothing
[03:15] <lee98632> Ok How can I tell waht version I am running? IE gutsy or hardy?
[03:19] <lee98632_> I thaught that there was something wrong with that upgrade
[03:20] <lee98632_> !pastebin
[03:23] <lee98632_> whats going on here?http://paste.ubuntu.com/35353/
[03:23] <lee98632_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/35353/
[03:25] <RageMachine> whats up lee?
[03:25] <lee98632_> trying to upgrade
[03:26] <lee98632_> eh  I got this though instead
[03:26] <lee98632_> Failed to fetch http://ports.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-ports/dists/hardy/Release Unable to find expected entry  partner/binary-powerpc/Packages in Meta-index file (malformed Release file?)
[03:27] <RageMachine> what command did you use?
[03:27] <lee98632_> hmm it appears that after the up date it breaks the  PS3 from Upgrading
[03:27] <lee98632_> update maqnager and then
[03:28] <RageMachine> could you try opening a terminal and typing sudo apt-get update ?
[03:28] <lee98632_> sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[03:29] <lee98632_> DOH! why didn't I remembe r that lol
[03:29] <lee98632_> Nope still no go
[03:29] <RageMachine> did you try the sudo apt-get update?
[03:29] <lee98632_> yepp just a sec pasting it
[03:30] <RageMachine> I figure something may need to be updated, get the bugs out :P
[03:31] <lee98632_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/35356/
[03:32] <lee98632_> ok Ragemachine
[03:32] <lee98632_> Thers the Commands I have tried
[03:33] <lee98632_> maybe I aughto reformat and go straight for the up grade?
[03:33] <RageMachine> and your positive your in gutsy?
[03:33] <lee98632_> positve as red is on the hot side of the battery lol
[03:34] <RageMachine> ... that went over my head.
[03:34] <RageMachine> :P
[03:34] <Zeeded> Same
[03:34] <lee98632_> lease:        7.10
[03:34] <lee98632_> Codename:       gutsy
[03:34] <RageMachine> is there even a PPC release of 8.04?
[03:35] <lee98632_> eh red is the cap color on car batteries
[03:35] <Flannel> RageMachine: yes, PPC has a healthy community port
[03:35] <Flannel> RageMachine: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ports/releases/8.04.1/release/
[03:35] <RageMachine> Flannel, is it in regular releases? e.g. do you need a diff source list to get to it through apt-get?
[03:35] <Flannel> Well, you can't change arches through apt-get, but I believe it uses the same.
[03:36] <lee98632_> Hu they pulled the PS# ISO?
[03:36] <lee98632_> Eh PS3
[03:37] <lee98632_> I knew I should have grabbed that iso when it was thre
[03:38] <Flannel> Theres a 7.10 ISO, I'm not sure PS3 released a hardy version
[03:39] <RageMachine> thats what I was thinking
[03:39] <RageMachine> you could search google for it, but it won't be in the repositories
[03:39] <lee98632_> yeah, i found it.. it is there just not readily availiable
[03:40] <lee98632_> this is where I am at
[03:40] <lee98632_> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/ports/daily-live/current/
[03:41] <lee98632_> For Sony PlayStation 3 systems. (This defaults to installing Xubuntu permanently, since there is usually not enough memory to try out the full desktop system and run the installer at the same time. An alternative boot option to try Xubuntu without changing your computer is available.)
[03:41] <RageMachine> k so just download that file
[03:41] <RageMachine> will probably have to wipe gutsy and install it from cd
[03:42] <lee98632_> yeah , I am lol, eh it will need to be transfered eh I don't have an external DVD/Cdrom burner for ps3 yet
[03:43] <lee98632_> hmm yeah there is no alternate install either
[03:43] <lee98632_> hmm windows sure is getting to be a pain to down load this software...
[03:45] <RageMachine> why?
[03:45] <RageMachine> use a download manager :)
[03:45] <lee98632_> I think Microsoft is doing what it can to.. make it difficult, plus any http sights with DVD stuff it absolutely will not down load from the IE browser
[03:46] <lee98632_> heehee i used fire fox
[03:47] <lee98632_> Hmm this will be intersting to see if it boots at all...
[03:47] <lee98632_> last time I get a double beep and nothing
[03:48] <lee98632_> eh tat was with ubuntu though
[03:48] <RageMachine> i was going to say, why would you use IE.
[03:50] <lee98632_> Why should I use any windows product? the only reason why I am stuck with it for now is cause I have to edit Videos For mom.. and so far the best 2 programs I have is adobei premier and
[03:50] <lee98632_> erg  oe aother one
[03:51] <lee98632_> This is the only thing causing me not to fully change over.. oh and the lack of a 32 bit system for the ps3
[03:51] <RageMachine> well, you can use premier on linux
[03:52] <lee98632_> really?
[03:52] <RageMachine> i do believe, let me check quickly. otherwise there are a metric tonne of programs similar to it.
[03:52] <lee98632_> using wine or what?
[03:52] <RageMachine> i use dreamweaver and photoshop myself
[03:52] <RageMachine> yea, wine.
[03:52] <lee98632_> dreamweaver? never heard of that one is it new?
[03:53] <RageMachine> dreamweaver was with macromedia, adobe bought it (and flash) for CS3
[03:53] <RageMachine> its used to make websites.
[03:53] <lee98632_> qhhh ok
[03:53] <RageMachine> pretty much industry standard
[03:53] <lee98632_> ahh ok
[03:53] <RageMachine> which version of premier do you have?
[03:53] <lee98632_> eh adobie was given to me as a gift 3 years ago
[03:53] <RageMachine> oh. so its probably not a CS huh?
[03:53] <lee98632_> 6.5]
[03:54] <lee98632_> or 6 something
[03:54] <lee98632_> just a sec Ill check
[03:54] <RageMachine> they've tested 6.0
[03:55] <lee98632_> ah I think it is 6.0
[03:55] <lee98632_> its the one with the horse blending in withe camera
[03:55] <RageMachine> lol
[03:55] <lee98632_> hmm its 6.5
[03:56] <RageMachine> yea, ok so it just hasn't been tested
[03:56] <RageMachine> 6.0 works but sometimes it has redraw issues
[03:56] <lee98632_> yeppers 6.5 for sure
[03:56] <RageMachine> which means you have to switch to another window and back so X redraws the screen. (during video playback)
[03:56] <RageMachine> there are a bunch of free software you can use for video editing though.
[03:56] <RageMachine> are you particularly attached to premier?
[03:57] <lee98632_> For a few reasons
[03:57] <lee98632_> One it is easy to use
[03:57] <RageMachine> other programs are too, don't discount them for that.
[03:58] <RageMachine> http://cvs.cinelerra.org/about.php
[03:58] <lee98632_> hmm I tried to use one, but, I couldn't figure it out
[03:58] <RageMachine> there is a popular video editor
[03:58] <lee98632_> Yeah taht was it lol
[03:58] <RageMachine> cool, though you can definitely try premier first.
[03:58] <RageMachine> ever heard of wineHQ?
[03:59] <lee98632_> hmm no, iam guessing its wine High quality lol?
[03:59] <RageMachine> nope
[03:59] <RageMachine> wine headquarters
[03:59] <RageMachine> its a site
[03:59] <RageMachine> it has an application database
[03:59] <lee98632_> yeah I tried to use cinral but, I need to be able to see waht I am editing
[04:00] <lee98632_> also really hard to set up
[04:00] <blackbinary_> on that page it will also list how to make it run better or fix problems
[04:00] <blackbinary_> thats odd
[04:00] <blackbinary_> im ragemachine :P
[04:02] <lee98632_> BRB Mom's bring the rest of my bead lol
[04:02] <lee98632_> eh they got a new one so I am getting a california king water bead
[04:03] <XubuntuMonkey> How can I change the color depth on 8.04?
[04:21] <lee98632_> Well I have a california king water bead to put togeather eerg
[04:21] <lee98632_> Not sure on that one Iam on the PS3
[04:55] <linuxnoob> hey guys I'm back. I'm the guy trying to install xubuntu on an old machine that normally runs windows 2000. it has 516MB RAM, 10GB HDspace and was partitioned using gparted
[04:56] <linuxnoob> first error: while configuring the network with DHCP it says the autoconfiguration failed and that my network was probably not using DHCP protocol or the server may be slow
[05:05] <linuxnoob> I figured outt hat problem was because it was not connected doy!
[05:08] <linuxnoob> hmmm....maybe it's working now
[05:10] <Zirrush> its a beautiful day in the neighborhood
[06:42] <bassboi> im trying to setup xubuntu on this laptop i have... i've tried both the 7.1 and 8.04 releases, and both of them boot correctly and everything, but the text is freakin huge.. any advice?
[06:49] <xubuntunoob> hey guys
[06:49] <xubuntunoob> im starting up a web radio
[06:50] <xubuntunoob> and i wanna use ubuntu to host the server
[06:50] <xubuntunoob> xubuntu*
[06:50] <xubuntunoob> since is lightweight
[06:50] <xubuntunoob> anything i should know?
[06:57] <xubuntunoob> fuck you niggers
[06:58] <bassboi> you can't get help if you're a tard.
[07:16] <wols_> tsk, tsk, the is against the code of conduct here... :)
[07:16] <wols_> not that I disagree with you...
[07:16] <wols_> *this is
[07:18] <bassboi> :)
[07:19] <bassboi> I just dislike how some people could be so rude when we're here trying to help them the best we can, you know?
[07:19] <wols_> I can't stand morons either, but the ops don't like that :)
[07:52] <zoredache> bassboi: is the graphics adapter and screen resolution detected correctly?
[07:52] <bassboi> i have no idea :|
[07:52] <bassboi> let me check
[07:53] <bassboi> everything appears fine
[07:53] <bassboi> as in, the bottom panel, and icons
[07:53] <bassboi> it's just the text is freaking huge
[07:54] <bassboi> in menus and such, and the top panel is like, 4x the size it should br
[07:54] <zoredache> can you take a screen shot and post it perhaps?
[07:54] <bassboi> sure
[07:54] <bassboi> let me boot windows and run cpuZ right fast
[07:55] <zoredache> eh?
[07:55] <bassboi> program called CPUID, tells ya what sort of HW you have
[07:56] <bassboi> graphics are intel
[07:56] <bassboi> i910 or i915
[08:05] <bassboi> i dont think i can manage to even get a screen shot
[08:05] <bassboi> and use firefox to post it
[08:06] <bassboi> the navigation icons are huge too
[08:06] <zoredache> so everything is big, not just the text...
[08:06] <bassboi> the text is huge too
[08:06] <bassboi> like
[08:07] <bassboi> Applications
[08:07] <bassboi> takes up about 1/4 of the screen
[08:07] <zoredache> perhaps... but saying your text is big isn't nearly as meaningful from a diagnostic standpoint as saying everything is big
[08:07] <zoredache> if just the text was big that would point to some obscoure font problem
[08:08] <bassboi> yeah, just the text is big
[08:08] <bassboi> i right click, the menu takes up the whole screen
[08:08] <zoredache> if everything is big it indicates x wasn't able to detect your graphics card
[08:09] <bassboi> i see
[08:11] <bassboi> thre's also some weird stuff around the icons
[08:11] <bassboi> like 3 black squares, and some shading
[08:14] <babatuli> hello
[08:15] <babatuli> can someone help me
[08:15] <babatuli> please
[08:15] <bassboi> just ask
[08:16] <babatuli> ok
[08:16] <babatuli> thanks my friend
[08:16] <babatuli> my questions is the fallowing
[08:16] <zoredache> bassboi: try running sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[08:16] <babatuli> I see some distros that use xfce desktop environment looks very nice, as zelwalk or drealinux.
[08:17] <babatuli> I wonder if anyone know how can i decorate xfce that way, which applications do I need, or even better do you know which are the ones that this distros use?
[08:18] <bassboi> zoredache, ok. if i were to do ctrl alt f2, to get to terminal, how'd i get back to the gui
[08:18] <zoredache> alt-f7
[08:19] <bassboi> k
[08:19] <zoredache> themes | babatuli
[08:19] <zoredache> !themes | babatuli
[08:21] <zoredache> bassboi: also http://www.xfce-look.org/
[08:22] <babatuli> thanks a lot
[08:22] <babatuli> i really appreciate your help
[08:23] <babatuli> this is why ubuntu and xubuntu had grow this much to the first place
[08:23] <babatuli> because the good community
[08:24] <bassboi> still huge :(
[08:25] <bassboi> babatuli,  that's how ubuntu is kept updated, too, community efforts ;)
[08:25] <babatuli> yes i know
[08:26] <babatuli> the most mean and lazy guys i had ever meet
[08:26] <babatuli> are slackware
[08:26] <babatuli> i cant talk for everyone but at least the majority that i had talk too, on chat or foroum
[08:27] <babatuli> I mean.. i cant ask for anything, this is non profit
[08:27] <babatuli> but it is supposed that people do it for fun, because they enjoy it
[08:27] <Zirrush> lol, gotta add that to my quote book
[08:29] <babatuli> lol
[08:29] <babatuli> you better write... all things are done better when are done just for fun
[08:29] <babatuli> hehe i read it some where
[08:29] <Zirrush> used slack for years : )
[08:29] <bassboi> anywho :-P
[08:31] <babatuli> slack its cool because the tradition but
[08:32] <babatuli> i dont think all patches are bad
[08:32] <babatuli> lol
[08:32] <babatuli> sometimes its good
[08:32] <babatuli> they dont like rpm and deb
[08:34] <babatuli> zoredache. but the gnome themes does not work for xfce
[08:34] <babatuli> i guess the only ones i can use are the ones in
[08:34] <babatuli> xfce-look.0rg
[08:35] <dstaley> I'm logged into my Xubuntu desktop via SSH and I want to execute a script on my desktop, but I don't know what it's name is, how do I find that out?
[08:35] <Zirrush> gtk2 themes will work in xfce
[08:36] <babatuli> ok
[08:36] <babatuli> thanks
[08:36] <babatuli> when i add themes, it may affect the performance of xfce?
[08:36] <babatuli> the speed maybe? or not at all?
[08:37] <Zirrush> guess its possible... just changing your gtk theme won't do much... installing emerald and compiz will definately take up some more resources though, lol
[08:37] <Zirrush> so just depends on how far you wanna go with making it look flashy
[08:39] <babatuli> no
[08:39] <babatuli> not at all, actually i dont like compiz or emerald
[08:39] <babatuli> its nice looking but i really care more about the functionality
[08:39] <babatuli> i didnt think it was more functional than good looking
[08:40] <Zirrush> as far as themes go... in your settings the themes listed in User Interface are your gtk2 themes
[08:40] <Zirrush> the themes listed in window manager are xfwm themes
[08:40] <Zirrush> (xfwm - xfce window manager)
[08:41] <babatuli> thanks
[08:41] <Zirrush> and yeah, i agree... not much you get from compiz other than looks and cheap thrills impressing ppl that haven't seen it, lol
[08:42] <babatuli> so gtk2 would run as good as the xfwm?
[08:42] <Zirrush> gtk2 is your user interface... gnome runs with gtk2
[08:42] <babatuli> yep
[08:42] <Zirrush> your window manager is your window border, titles, etc
[08:42] <babatuli> i understand
[08:43] <babatuli> so xfce, gnome and kde as well use gtk2 as user interface?
[08:44] <Zirrush> gtk2 is basically just libraries for the user interface
[08:44] <babatuli> oh very nice info
[08:44] <Zirrush> gnome, kde, and xfce are desktop environments...  gnome and xfce both use the gtk libraries for their user interfaces
[08:45] <babatuli> i see
[08:45] <Zirrush> kde uses qt or whatever for its user interface
[08:47] <babatuli> kde feels like windows
[08:48] <babatuli> so what its fluxbox for example....
[08:48] <babatuli> then
[08:48] <babatuli> i know it runs over the desktop environment
[08:48] <babatuli> but thats it
[08:48] <Zirrush> its a window manager
[08:49] <babatuli> and it uses X11 windows system as well
[08:49] <Zirrush> like emerald, of xfwm (the default of xfce)... gnome uses metacity
[08:49] <babatuli> i see
[08:50] <babatuli> so a window manager is juts a part of the windows environment
[08:50] <babatuli> as the fylesystem.. thunar
[08:50] <Zirrush> window manager is exactly what the name says, heh
[08:51] <babatuli> had you try fluxbox before?
[08:51] <babatuli> i know it works great for very old machines
[08:51] <Zirrush> not any recent versions
[08:53] <babatuli> so which distro or distros are you running?
[08:53] <babatuli> do you use dual boot, triple boot? virtual machines?
[08:55] <Zirrush> just xubuntu on this box
[08:55] <babatuli> cool
[08:56] <Zirrush> got a vista pro cd somewhere around here... think its got coffee rings on it though
[08:56] <Zirrush> lol, jk
[08:56] <babatuli> lol
[08:56] <babatuli> my goal its to get a macbook the black one and changet the hd to a 350gb
[08:57] <babatuli> and triple boot
[08:57] <babatuli> osx, linux, vista
[08:57] <babatuli> i hope before the end of the year
[08:57] <Zirrush> cool
[08:57] <babatuli> i know its very expensive, for that money i can get a much better hardware
[08:58] <babatuli> but osx only works with mac notebooks
[08:58] <babatuli> well it works with others but
[08:58] <babatuli> runs very very slow
[08:59] <babatuli> my mom have a macbook pro lol
[08:59] <babatuli> osx its cool, i read somewhere that its bsd and unix based
[08:59] <babatuli> but mostly bsd kernel based
[09:30] <babatuli> hello again
[09:31] <babatuli> im having problems installing a theme for my mouse cursor
[09:31] <babatuli> Copy the two folders 'Silver' and 'default' to your ~/.icons directory and
[09:31] <babatuli> restart your X-Server.
[09:31] <babatuli> this is the installation instructions.. i wonder whats my ' /.icons?
[09:31] <babatuli> where is that
[09:34] <Zirrush> home directory... files beginning with a . are hidden
[09:34] <Zirrush> ls -a
[09:34] <Zirrush> or ctrl+h withen thunar toggles showing hidden files
[09:34] <TheSheep> if you don't have it, create it
[09:35] <Zirrush> if you're downloading an icon set for a theme... can also extract it to /usr/share/icons and it'll work
[09:35] <Zirrush> not having to sudo is always the safest route though ; )
[09:39] <babatuli> thanks
[09:39] <babatuli> im looking
[09:46] <babatuli> zirrush
[09:46] <babatuli> i got an error
[09:46] <babatuli> while extracting
[09:47] <babatuli> to that direction
[09:47] <Zirrush> make a folder named ".icons" in your home folder and extract it to there
[09:48] <Zirrush> to extract to /usr/share/icons you'll have to be root (sudo or gksu).  I'd stick to toying around in your home directory until you get a better grasp of linux to be safe
[09:57] <babatuli> ahh at least
[09:57] <babatuli> guess how i did it
[09:57] <babatuli> gksu thunar
[09:57] <babatuli> on terminal
[09:58] <babatuli> then i was able to to just move it there
[10:05] <darkus> hi
[10:05] <darkus> i have a pIII 800mhz 256mb of ram
[10:06] <darkus> i installed in xubuntu
[10:06] <darkus> but it blocks all the time
[10:06] <darkus> and i have to shut down it using the buttom
[10:06] <TheSheep> it blocks time?
[10:07] <darkus> it blocks all the time
[10:07] <darkus> :/
[10:07] <TheSheep> all of it?
[10:07] <darkus> yes
[10:07] <TheSheep> whole time is blocked by it?
[10:07] <darkus> yes
[10:07] <darkus> the mouse and the keyboard don't work when it blocks
[10:07] <TheSheep> can you please try to describe it in more details?
[10:08] <TheSheep> ah, ok
[10:08] <TheSheep> but it gets to the desktop?
[10:08] <darkus> yes it stayes on the desktop
[10:08] <darkus> and the mouse and keyboard don't work
[10:08] <TheSheep> when it freezes, does it go away after some time?
[10:09] <darkus> no TheSheep
[10:09] <TheSheep> so it hangs permanently
[10:09] <TheSheep> is it random, or is there some pattern?
[10:10] <darkus> please i'm not very good at english
[10:10] <TheSheep> darkus: I'm sorry
[10:10] <darkus> i don't understand what you are talking about
[10:10] <darkus> no please TheSheep
[10:11] <TheSheep> darkus: it happens when you run some program?
[10:11] <darkus> yes TheSheep
[10:12] <TheSheep> darkus: which one?
[10:12] <TheSheep> which program?
[10:12] <darkus> no speacially one
[10:12] <TheSheep> ok
[10:12] <darkus> with any program
[10:12] <TheSheep> how much time can you work normally?
[10:13] <darkus> 20 minutes
[10:13] <darkus> and sometimes less
[10:14] <darkus> :(
[10:14] <TheSheep> please open a terminal, and type 'tail /var/log/messages.0', this will display the last 10 lines of your last session log
[10:15] <TheSheep> please pastebin that
[10:15] <TheSheep> !pastebin
[10:15] <darkus> ok
[10:15] <darkus> are you here for a long time?
[10:15] <darkus> you are staying in here?*
[10:16] <darkus> or will you part?
[10:16] <TheSheep> darkus: yes, I'm logged all the time
[10:16] <TheSheep> darkus: I sleep sometimes, though
[10:16] <darkus> ok ok
[10:16] <TheSheep> darkus: I will be here for the next 5 hours at least
[10:44] <darku2> tail /var/log/messages.0
[10:44] <darku1> !paste
[10:45] <darku1> TheSheep: http://paste.ubuntu.com/35469/
[10:46] <darku2> TheSheep: are you here?
[10:50] <Zirrush> mmm, having a heart attack for breakfast... 5 slices of bacon and 2 fried eggs  >.<
[10:51] <Zirrush> top it off with a pack of cigarettes and i'll be in business, lol
[10:51] <Myrtti> I just had cola and veggie pizza
[10:51] <darku1> lolz Zirrush
[10:52] <darku2> me i have burn
[10:52] <Zirrush> just need to go to the grocery, was scavenging
[10:52] <Zirrush> found a pack of bacon, lol
[10:52] <darku2> ;)
[10:52] <Myrtti> oh, right, this isn't -offtopic or lr
[10:52] <Myrtti> nv
[10:59] <bassboi> i have a dell laptop with a p3 1.0 and 256 of RAM... should xubuntu run nicely on this?
[11:01] <darku2> yes bassboi
[11:01] <darku2> it will run
[11:01] <darku2> but i think that more ram if you can would be better
[11:02] <darku2> 384
[11:02] <darku2> 384 of ram
[11:02] <bassboi> pc100 trash :(
[11:03] <bassboi> 50 bucks should get me a nice GB
[11:03] <bassboi> whoa, nvm
[11:03] <FooTaGe> how can i connect to another network without closing this one on mirc?
[11:03] <bassboi> file ~> new ~> server
[11:04] <bassboi> that SHOULD work
[11:04] <bassboi> idk rly, i was using nonamescript with mirc when i used windows
[11:04] <bassboi> ty darku2
[11:05] <bassboi> new server window , that is
[11:29] <TheSheep> darku2: sorry, I'm back
[11:29] <TheSheep> darku2: looks like a normal shutdown
[11:30] <TheSheep> darku2: can you do the same for one of messages.1, messages.2, etc.
[11:30] <TheSheep> darku2: and pastebin the one where you don't have 'restart' at the end?
[11:30] <darku2> ok
[11:32] <darku1> takka@takka-desktop:~$ tail /var/log/messages.5
[11:32] <darku1> tail: Ne peut ouvrir `/var/log/messages.5' en lecture: Aucun fichier ou dossier de ce type
[11:32] <darku1> :/
[11:33] <TheSheep> ok, so it kept only 5 of them
[11:33] <TheSheep> darku1: ls /var/log   will give you the list of all log files
[12:51] <MikeonTV> whats the best linux fork for an older computer (say 8 yrs old) with half a gb RAM?
[12:59] <TheSheep> MikeonTV: one that you make yourself, it will be best suited for your needs
[13:00] <MikeonTV> lets say that I don't have the time, resources or know how to do such a feat. (It's not true but lets just say) Which fork would be best then?
[13:01] <TheSheep> it's all very personal and specific to what you do with it
[13:01] <TheSheep> there is no single the best one
[13:35] <darku1> TheSheep: I OPENED TH REPOSITORY
[13:36] <darku1> and can't find texts
[13:36] <MikeonTV> TheSheep: well I run ubuntu on other machines and want something similar on this box
[13:36] <MikeonTV> xubuntu looks right for me.
[13:36] <darku1> there is syslog
[13:36] <darku1> auth.log
[13:37] <darku1> debug.0
[13:38] <darku1> ....
[14:04] <MikeonTV> so xubuntu would be the best idea? great thanks!
[15:31] <MikeonTV> question. which xubuntu release would I want from this list? I have an old machine that runs windows 2000 atm, 3/4 of a GB of ram. http://linuxtracker.org/index.php?page=torrents&search=xubuntu&category=0&active=1
[15:57] <MikeonTV> nevermind i gots it
[16:06] <wols_> MikeonTV: the current hardy xubuntu
[16:58] <RageMachine> Anyone here? Need some help
[16:59] <RageMachine> I need help deciding between 64bit and 32bit, I am putting xubuntu on a dual core (1.9Ghz), with 768Mb of ram.
[17:07] <wols_> 32bit
[17:07] <ote1> I think enough 32
[17:09] <RageMachine> why 32?
[17:10] <RageMachine> i enjoy reasons with answers :)
[17:14] <maxamillion> RageMachine: the only real reason to run 64-bit is if you have more than 4gb of ram
[17:15] <maxamillion> RageMachine: 32-bit has the better support as well, less library translations have to be made to support legacy code, etc.
[17:15] <RageMachine> maxamillion does the cpu not benefit from being in 64bit mode?
[17:16] <maxamillion> RageMachine: 32-bit will actually also run at a smaller memory footprint because it requires 32 bits for a pointer or an ASM word instead of 64-bits and in only 768Mb of ram that can be noticable
[17:16] <RageMachine> maxamillion, yes thats why I asked
[17:16] <RageMachine> maxamillion was trying to figure out if that larger footprint would be worth the increase in cpu function with such little ram
[17:17] <maxamillion> RageMachine: no, not really ... the only thing 64-bit offers to the cpu is larger registers and higher floating point precision and for the use on an average desktop, 32-bit does sometimes outperform 64-bit
[17:17] <RageMachine> okay, think i'll go with 32bit then for now.
[17:17] <RageMachine> thanks for the help :)
[17:17] <maxamillion> RageMachine: good choice :) ... i run 32-bit on my Athlon64 at home because i only have 1gb of ram and found no gain in running ...nvm
[17:54] <JinKazama> great Olympics Opening ! :)
[20:36] <MeanderingCode> hello.  I've been having all sorts of funny issues with 8.04 and I'm very surprised by some of them
[20:36] <MeanderingCode> thunar behaves strange, mostly
[20:38] <MeanderingCode> it won't save preffered applications, or even add them to the list of "open with" common apps, it (volman) doesn't unmount removables well at all, and verve command line won't even tab-complete "thunar", though it did last week!!  Instead, it wants to say "thunar-volman" or "thunderbird" after "thun"+TAB
[20:39] <MeanderingCode> anyone may and should point out the PEBKAC going on here, but really, this is strange and problematic
[20:39] <TheSheep> MeanderingCode: check the free disk space on your home partition, and the rights of your home directory
[20:41] <MeanderingCode> 555MB and it all belong's to me
[20:41] <MeanderingCode> *belongs
[20:50] <atha> hello i just installed xunbuntu in virtualbox, and im having trouble configuring my screen and video card..
[20:51] <TheSheep> MeanderingCode: check if there are write permissions
[20:51] <TheSheep> MeanderingCode: and check the permissions of ~/.config
[20:51] <TheSheep> MeanderingCode: and other dot files
[20:51] <atha> in windows the config i have is generic screen on intel 965 express intel chipset
[20:52] <atha> and i cant make the same config to work in xubuntu..
[21:24] <raut> how can i get compiz to  be used instead of the default window manager on startup?
[21:32] <bassboi> applications ~> settings ~> settings manager ~> autostarted apps...
[21:32] <bassboi> add one
[21:32] <bassboi> compiz --replace
[21:32] <bassboi> that's the quick and dirty method
[21:32] <bassboi> might be something diff
[21:48] <bassboi> hold up
[21:48] <bassboi> how can i netboot
[21:48] <bassboi> ?!
[21:55] <TheSheep> !install
[21:57] <bassboi> <3
[22:28] <Salix_> Hi! Is there a command line emailer (sendmail, mail, etc.) by default in Xubuntu 8.04?
[22:29] <TheSheep> Salix_: no, you have to install it
[22:30] <Salix_> TheSheep: any that you recommend?
[22:32] <TheSheep> Salix_: the ones you mentioned
[22:38] <Salix_> thank you!
[23:01] <mlester> yo anyone anyhere experience with networking issues and apt
[23:08] <MeanderingCode> TheSheep: hey, I have rw and it's all mine under .config