| yao_ziyua1 | I AM VERY CONCERNED THAT ADEPT_MANAGER DOES NOT WARN ME ABOUT UNSIGNED PACKAGES | 00:14 |
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| yao_ziyua1 | sorry for caps | 00:15 |
| ScottK | yao_ziyua1: I suggest filing a bug. I agree. | 00:16 |
| ScottK | Where is mornfall? | 00:16 |
| mornfall | Should be sleeping, really. | 00:16 |
| mornfall | And he just almost fell over from those caps in a highlight... | 00:17 |
| yao_ziyua1 | ScottK: i simply switch to synaptic | 00:17 |
| ScottK | yao_ziyua1: I mostly use apt myself, but it's a good point. | 00:17 |
| ScottK | mornfall: Is the new Adept going to handle that? | 00:18 |
| mornfall | No. | 00:18 |
| ScottK | I really think it needs to. | 00:18 |
| mornfall | Debian has lived without for a decade. Noone asked so far. It's not a priority and I don't have time. | 00:18 |
| ScottK | Read http://www.doxpara.com/DMK_BO2K8.ppt and tell me it's not different now. | 00:18 |
| yao_ziyua1 | i put my life on this damn adept_manager and i just realized it failed me | 00:19 |
| mornfall | And complaints formulated like this make me a rather undermotivated developer. | 00:19 |
| yao_ziyua1 | i am in china | 00:19 |
| ScottK | So he may well not be exaggerating. | 00:19 |
| yao_ziyua1 | and i do pro-democracy things | 00:19 |
| yao_ziyua1 | adept_manager really betrayed me | 00:19 |
| ScottK | mornfall: Is any of it in Python by chance? I could help with that. | 00:19 |
| mornfall | yao_ziyua1: Dude. Cool down. | 00:19 |
| mornfall | ScottK: No. | 00:20 |
| ScottK | OK. I can't help you out with coding then. Sorry. I think it's important enough I would have. | 00:20 |
| mornfall | yao_ziyua1: It never ever said it would check signatures. | 00:20 |
| mornfall | yao_ziyua1: It's your fault, really, not Adept's. If you want security, you have to work on it. | 00:20 |
| ScottK | yao_ziyua1: I don't know if synaptic does either. If it's really important to you, use apt-get. | 00:20 |
| mornfall | Blindly using programs without even trying to check what they do. Well, your problem. Sorry. | 00:20 |
| yao_ziyua1 | ScottK: synaptic does. i saw it. | 00:21 |
| ScottK | OK. | 00:21 |
| mornfall | (And I don't accept wishlist items in that tone, either.) | 00:21 |
| mornfall | Goodnight. | 00:21 |
| yao_ziyua1 | mornfall: adept_manager does appear to be supporting signatures | 00:26 |
| yao_ziyua1 | mornfall: it even has a signatures list | 00:26 |
| ScottK | yao_ziyua1: Please comment in Bug #256345 | 00:27 |
| yao_ziyua1 | adept_manager does not parse apt output | 00:28 |
| ScottK | yao_ziyua1: oops Bug #256245 | 00:28 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 256245 in adept "Adept does not warn if packages are unsigned" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/256245 | 00:28 |
| yao_ziyua1 | it just invoke apt in a quiet mode | 00:28 |
| yao_ziyua1 | and shows an error dialog box whenever apt outputs 'error' | 00:29 |
| mornfall | Dude. You don't know a zilch about how it works. And stop hilighting me, *please*. | 00:29 |
| mornfall | Ah, I have hilight on adept. | 00:30 |
| mornfall | That's probably the problem. | 00:30 |
| yao_ziyua1 | ScottK: thank you for reporting | 00:32 |
| ScottK | I almost never use it, so I didn't know until now. | 00:33 |
| yao_ziyua1 | ScottK: the general problem is adept_manager does not parse apt output messages and show corresponding GUI prompts. a simple solution would be to automatically show the console window when something unusual occurs | 00:34 |
| yao_ziyua1 | synaptic also does well in resolving broken packages | 00:35 |
| ScottK | Unfortunately I don't code in anything but Python, so I can't really do much except complain. | 00:35 |
| yao_ziyua1 | i think we'd just kde-ize synaptic. i remember there is "ksynaptic" | 00:35 |
| ScottK | There's a new kde4 adept coming. I don't know how different it is. | 00:35 |
| yao_ziyua1 | won't catch up with synaptic | 00:36 |
| ScottK | I'm happy with apt-get myself. | 00:37 |
| JontheEchidna | The KDE4 version is pretty nice | 00:38 |
| JontheEchidna | much faster and more stable | 00:38 |
| yao_ziyua1 | JontheEchidna: i'll check | 00:42 |
| ScottK | JontheEchidna: Now if it would just be secure. | 00:56 |
| yao_ziyua1 | JontheEchidna: what is the name of the kde4 version? | 01:01 |
| JontheEchidna | yao_ziyua1: It's not in the official repos yet | 01:02 |
| JontheEchidna | It's in mornfall's ppa, (so it's unsigned, lol) | 01:02 |
| apachelogger | ohhh | 02:29 |
| apachelogger | JontheEchidna: I think we need to recompile libs against nm 07 | 02:30 |
| apachelogger | my networkmanager plasmoid is not working right now :P | 02:30 |
| JontheEchidna | you have a network manager plasmoid? | 02:30 |
| ncfi1013_ | can anybody tell me how to get amarok to recognize my 3rd gen ipod? | 02:31 |
| apachelogger | ncfi1013_: support in #kubuntu please | 02:32 |
| apachelogger | JontheEchidna: of course I do | 02:32 |
| apachelogger | nm broke all guis :P | 02:32 |
| JontheEchidna | apachelogger: you compiled it yourself? | 02:32 |
| apachelogger | yeah | 02:32 |
| JontheEchidna | so what do you want me to do? | 02:34 |
| apachelogger | change kdelibs to work with nm07 | 02:35 |
| apachelogger | I noticed the solid library names are different with network manager 0.7 | 02:36 |
| JontheEchidna | so I'd need kde4libs source + packaging | 02:39 |
| JontheEchidna | and network manager too? | 02:39 |
| JontheEchidna | or would I need to get the source for the nm plasmoid? | 02:39 |
| apachelogger | you just need to pbuilder kdelibs with a hook for the list-missing | 02:44 |
| apachelogger | or rather - it will probably break because the non-07 libs aren't available | 02:44 |
| apachelogger | anyway | 02:44 |
| apachelogger | JontheEchidna: you just need to build kdelibs against the current intrepid networkmanager | 02:44 |
| apachelogger | making it link against 0.7 | 02:44 |
| JontheEchidna | and then see if it builds | 02:45 |
| JontheEchidna | fixing ftbfs where they occur? | 02:45 |
| apachelogger | yes | 02:46 |
| JontheEchidna | hmm | 02:46 |
| JontheEchidna | well I guess I could get one build started before I go to bed | 02:46 |
| apachelogger | haha | 02:48 |
| apachelogger | bed | 02:48 |
| * apachelogger is in bed | 02:48 | |
| apachelogger | for 3 hours now | 02:48 |
| JontheEchidna | no laptop :( | 02:48 |
| apachelogger | Sat Aug 9 03:48:15 CEST 2008 | 02:48 |
| JontheEchidna | I would probably never sleep if I had one | 02:48 |
| apachelogger | exactly :P | 02:48 |
| JontheEchidna | so gtk-qt-engine-kde4 is still using /usr/lib/kde4 | 02:57 |
| JontheEchidna | but could -kde4 even coexist with gtk-qt-engine? | 02:58 |
| JontheEchidna | actually why do we even need the non-kde4 version | 02:59 |
| apachelogger | we don't :P | 02:59 |
| apachelogger | but | 02:59 |
| apachelogger | -kde4 doesn't build anymore | 02:59 |
| JontheEchidna | meh | 02:59 |
| apachelogger | actually Tonio wanted to fix that | 02:59 |
| apachelogger | weeks agao :S | 02:59 |
| JontheEchidna | whee | 03:03 |
| JontheEchidna | finally actually building | 03:03 |
| JontheEchidna | (kde4libs0 | 03:04 |
| vorian | ~evening! | 03:19 |
| vorian | doh | 03:20 |
| apachelogger | morning | 03:20 |
| apachelogger | *yawn* | 03:20 |
| Jucato | almost noon | 03:20 |
| vorian | ok | 03:20 |
| JontheEchidna | evening! | 03:20 |
| vorian | happy time everyone :) | 03:20 |
| apachelogger | I can haz dbg packages? | 03:21 |
| vorian | i'm thinking about starting a site where a person can post the auto plate numbers of an idiot driver | 03:22 |
| JontheEchidna | it would be funny | 03:22 |
| JontheEchidna | if two people posted each other's | 03:22 |
| vorian | ya, well that would be cool | 03:23 |
| vorian | and | 03:23 |
| vorian | the other guy could say what a fool you are | 03:23 |
| vorian | then a challenge to solitare | 03:23 |
| vorian | TO THE DEATH! | 03:23 |
| apachelogger | that | 03:23 |
| JontheEchidna | lol | 03:23 |
| apachelogger | might take some time | 03:23 |
| vorian | also, there could be a section where you see someone you would like to meet | 03:24 |
| JontheEchidna | not if you are playing Moral Solitare | 03:24 |
| JontheEchidna | *Mortal | 03:24 |
| JontheEchidna | FATALITY, FLAWLESS VICTORY | 03:24 |
| vorian | apachelogger: na, just use smf | 03:24 |
| vorian | JontheEchidna: yes! | 03:24 |
| vorian | i like where this is going! | 03:24 |
| apachelogger | meh | 03:25 |
| apachelogger | vorian: do we have new minions already? | 03:25 |
| * apachelogger wants to retire | 03:25 | |
| vorian | apachelogger: not yet | 03:26 |
| vorian | and, it all goes well, they won't even really start until october | 03:26 |
| vorian | so add 6-8 months on top of that | 03:26 |
| apachelogger | jeez | 03:26 |
| JontheEchidna | what's this about new minions? | 03:26 |
| vorian | just a recruiting drive :) | 03:27 |
| apachelogger | we shouldn't talk about minions when minions are around I guess | 03:27 |
| * JontheEchidna is a minion | 03:27 | |
| JontheEchidna | minion of the universe | 03:28 |
| JontheEchidna | mOTU | 03:28 |
| vorian | hehe | 03:28 |
| apachelogger | on 338 mib for 4.0 -> 4.1 | 03:29 |
| apachelogger | that is pretty boring | 03:29 |
| apachelogger | we should make everything depend on the -dbgs | 03:29 |
| JontheEchidna | good lord | 03:29 |
| apachelogger | woah | 03:30 |
| apachelogger | I just fell asleep for some seconds | 03:30 |
| JontheEchidna | lol | 03:30 |
| JontheEchidna | would we really need that extreme if we had apport? | 03:30 |
| apachelogger | actually | 03:31 |
| apachelogger | not | 03:31 |
| apachelogger | lp can retrace the crash | 03:31 |
| apachelogger | making it rather unnecessary to have the -dbgs | 03:31 |
| apachelogger | AFAIK | 03:31 |
| JontheEchidna | exactly | 03:31 |
| ScottK | OTOH installing the -dbgs by default up through say alpha 6 might not be a bad plan. | 03:42 |
| ScottK | I think I remember one of the KDE developers mentioning in their blog as a way they felt distros might actually be useful. | 03:42 |
| JontheEchidna | yeah, aseigo iirc | 03:42 |
| JontheEchidna | I think it's a good idea | 03:43 |
| JontheEchidna | for the KDE prereleases | 03:43 |
| ScottK | I think for us it doesn't matter prerelease or not until we end the alphas | 03:44 |
| vorian | +1 | 03:44 |
| dschulz | does anybody knows when Qt 4.4.1 packages will be available in hardy-backports? | 04:19 |
| \sh | is anyone working on the new release of pyqt and sip4? | 08:34 |
| seele | hmm.. upgrading to 4.1 from the 4.0 remix doesnt work 100% | 09:41 |
| slytherin | yuriy: I was told to talk to you about matters concerning java on kubuntu. | 10:41 |
| slytherin | yuriy: when you have time, can you please add your comments on bug 183139 | 10:55 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 183139 in openjdk-6 "[wishlist] make gtk laf default for icedtea-java" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183139 | 10:55 |
| Dentharg | Hi | 11:26 |
| Dentharg | is there a place I can get packages with kdevelop4? | 11:43 |
| Dentharg | didn't find on launchpad. | 11:43 |
| apachelogger | seele: yeah, noticed it ealier today as well | 11:47 |
| apachelogger | morning .. btw | 11:47 |
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| gnomefreak | Dentharg: there isnt anything for ubuntu at this time it looks like unless apachelogger happened to work on it | 12:28 |
| gnomefreak | or someone else | 12:28 |
| Dentharg | gnomefreak: ok; thx. | 12:28 |
| gnomefreak | np | 12:28 |
| Dentharg | it is a good time to try to make a .deb myself ;) | 12:29 |
| gnomefreak | try other places there are alot out there even on Ubuntu forums | 12:30 |
| gnomefreak | opensuse has it | 12:31 |
| gnomefreak | Dentharg: check with gNewSense 2.0 | 12:33 |
| gnomefreak | it should be compatible not the best idea but its one | 12:33 |
| * apachelogger has an idea | 12:34 | |
| Dentharg | gnomefreak: thx. I'll take a look on it. | 12:34 |
| apachelogger | how about included it in our archive? | 12:34 |
| apachelogger | i.e. someone could package it... | 12:34 |
| gnomefreak | apachelogger: im looking for it atm | 12:39 |
| gnomefreak | nope google lied its not in gnewsense | 12:47 |
| gnomefreak | only open suse AFAICT | 12:47 |
| gnomefreak | ill check Lenny after breakfast | 12:50 |
| gnomefreak | apachelogger: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=491272 | 12:54 |
| gnomefreak | thats bad :( | 12:54 |
| ubottu | Debian bug 491272 in kdelibs5-dev "kdelibs5-dev: Can't compile kdevelop4" [Important,Open] | 12:54 |
| gnomefreak | be back later | 12:54 |
| apachelogger | gnomefreak: pretty old | 13:14 |
| gnomefreak | apachelogger: old but still open | 13:41 |
| gnomefreak | its not in debian either | 13:44 |
| apachelogger | gnomefreak: alpha builds just fine | 14:11 |
| gnomefreak | apachelogger: ok someone should have closed that bug than | 14:12 |
| gnomefreak | apachelogger: are you pushing to bzr or to archive? | 14:14 |
| apachelogger | gnomefreak: pushing what? | 14:28 |
| gnomefreak | apachelogger: you built kdevelop4? | 14:29 |
| apachelogger | well, I built it, but I didn't package it ;-) | 14:29 |
| gnomefreak | ah | 14:29 |
| mornfall | Ah, all good now, it seems. | 18:49 |
| jtechidna | ping ubottu | 19:10 |
| jtechidna | oops | 19:11 |
| totopalma | Riddell, can you take a look at bug #256466 please? | 22:15 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 256466 in kdeutils "Missing ark icon in GNOME menu" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/256466 | 22:15 |
| yuriy | apachelogger, Nightrose: how is your bug jamming going? | 23:08 |
| neversfelde | can you tell me the status of changing kubuntu.orgs design. We would love to change ours in a similar way, too. But not before we know if kubuntu.org reached its final look? | 23:18 |
| apachelogger | yuriy: we are having one? | 23:23 |
| nhandler | Are the -kde4 suffixes on package names only temporary until kde4 is the default? | 23:48 |
| jtechidna | nhandler: yes | 23:57 |
| nhandler | jtechidna: So all packages with a -kde4 suffix will be renamed for intrepid? | 23:57 |
| jtechidna | most already are | 23:57 |
| jtechidna | in Intrepid | 23:58 |
| nhandler | Ok, thats what I thought jtechidna. I just wanted to be sure. | 23:58 |
| jtechidna | :) | 23:59 |
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