[00:14] <yao_ziyua1> ﻿I AM VERY CONCERNED THAT ADEPT_MANAGER DOES NOT WARN ME ABOUT UNSIGNED PACKAGES
[00:15] <yao_ziyua1> sorry for caps
[00:16] <ScottK> yao_ziyua1: I suggest filing a bug.  I agree.
[00:16] <ScottK> Where is mornfall?
[00:16] <mornfall> Should be sleeping, really.
[00:17] <mornfall> And he just almost fell over from those caps in a highlight...
[00:17] <yao_ziyua1> ScottK: i simply switch to synaptic
[00:17] <ScottK> yao_ziyua1: I mostly use apt myself, but it's a good point.
[00:18] <ScottK> mornfall: Is the new Adept going to handle that?
[00:18] <mornfall> No.
[00:18] <ScottK> I really think it needs to.
[00:18] <mornfall> Debian has lived without for a decade. Noone asked so far. It's not a priority and I don't have time.
[00:18] <ScottK> Read http://www.doxpara.com/DMK_BO2K8.ppt and tell me it's not different now.
[00:19] <yao_ziyua1> i put my life on this damn adept_manager and i just realized it failed me
[00:19] <mornfall> And complaints formulated like this make me a rather undermotivated developer.
[00:19] <yao_ziyua1> i am in china
[00:19] <ScottK> So he may well not be exaggerating.
[00:19] <yao_ziyua1> and i do pro-democracy things
[00:19] <yao_ziyua1> adept_manager really betrayed me
[00:19] <ScottK> mornfall: Is any of it in Python by chance?  I could help with that.
[00:19] <mornfall> yao_ziyua1: Dude. Cool down.
[00:20] <mornfall> ScottK: No.
[00:20] <ScottK> OK.  I can't help you out with coding then.  Sorry.  I think it's important enough I would have.
[00:20] <mornfall> yao_ziyua1: It never ever said it would check signatures.
[00:20] <mornfall> yao_ziyua1: It's your fault, really, not Adept's. If you want security, you have to work on it.
[00:20] <ScottK> yao_ziyua1: I don't know if synaptic does either.  If it's really important to you, use apt-get.
[00:20] <mornfall> Blindly using programs without even trying to check what they do. Well, your problem. Sorry.
[00:21] <yao_ziyua1> ScottK: synaptic does. i saw it.
[00:21] <ScottK> OK.
[00:21] <mornfall> (And I don't accept wishlist items in that tone, either.)
[00:21] <mornfall> Goodnight.
[00:26] <yao_ziyua1> mornfall: adept_manager does appear to be supporting signatures
[00:26] <yao_ziyua1> mornfall: it even has a signatures list
[00:27] <ScottK> yao_ziyua1: Please comment in Bug #256345
[00:28] <yao_ziyua1> adept_manager does not parse apt output
[00:28] <ScottK> yao_ziyua1: oops Bug #256245
[00:28] <yao_ziyua1> it just invoke apt in a quiet mode
[00:29] <yao_ziyua1> and shows an error dialog box whenever apt outputs 'error'
[00:29] <mornfall> Dude. You don't know a zilch about how it works. And stop hilighting me, *please*.
[00:30] <mornfall> Ah, I have hilight on adept.
[00:30] <mornfall> That's probably the problem.
[00:32] <yao_ziyua1> ScottK: thank you for reporting
[00:33] <ScottK> I almost never use it, so I didn't know until now.
[00:34] <yao_ziyua1> ScottK: the general problem is adept_manager does not parse apt output messages and show corresponding GUI prompts. a simple solution would be to automatically show the console window when something unusual occurs
[00:35] <yao_ziyua1> synaptic also does well in resolving broken packages
[00:35] <ScottK> Unfortunately I don't code in anything but Python, so I can't really do much except complain.
[00:35] <yao_ziyua1> i think we'd just kde-ize synaptic. i remember there is "ksynaptic"
[00:35] <ScottK> There's a new kde4 adept coming.  I don't know how different it is.
[00:36] <yao_ziyua1> won't catch up with synaptic
[00:37] <ScottK> I'm happy with apt-get myself.
[00:38] <JontheEchidna> The KDE4 version is pretty nice
[00:38] <JontheEchidna> much faster and more stable
[00:42] <yao_ziyua1> JontheEchidna: i'll check
[00:56] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Now if it would just be secure.
[01:01] <yao_ziyua1> JontheEchidna: what is the name of the kde4 version?
[01:02] <JontheEchidna> yao_ziyua1: It's not in the official repos yet
[01:02] <JontheEchidna> It's in mornfall's ppa, (so it's unsigned, lol)
[02:29] <apachelogger> ohhh
[02:30] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: I think we need to recompile libs against nm 07
[02:30] <apachelogger> my networkmanager plasmoid is not working right now :P
[02:30] <JontheEchidna> you have a network manager plasmoid?
[02:31] <ncfi1013_> can anybody tell me how to get amarok to recognize my 3rd gen ipod?
[02:32] <apachelogger> ncfi1013_: support in #kubuntu please
[02:32] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: of course I do
[02:32] <apachelogger> nm broke all guis :P
[02:32] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: you compiled it yourself?
[02:32] <apachelogger> yeah
[02:34] <JontheEchidna> so what do you want me to do?
[02:35] <apachelogger> change kdelibs to work with nm07
[02:36] <apachelogger> I noticed the solid library names are different with network manager 0.7
[02:39] <JontheEchidna> so I'd need kde4libs source + packaging
[02:39] <JontheEchidna> and network manager too?
[02:39] <JontheEchidna> or would I need to get the source for the nm plasmoid?
[02:44] <apachelogger> you just need to pbuilder kdelibs with a hook for the list-missing
[02:44] <apachelogger> or rather - it will probably break because the non-07 libs aren't available
[02:44] <apachelogger> anyway
[02:44] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: you just need to build kdelibs against the current intrepid networkmanager
[02:44] <apachelogger> making it link against 0.7
[02:45] <JontheEchidna> and then see if it builds
[02:45] <JontheEchidna> fixing ftbfs where they occur?
[02:46] <apachelogger> yes
[02:46] <JontheEchidna> hmm
[02:46] <JontheEchidna> well I guess I could get one build started before I go to bed
[02:48] <apachelogger> haha
[02:48] <apachelogger> bed
[02:48]  * apachelogger is in bed
[02:48] <apachelogger> for 3 hours now
[02:48] <JontheEchidna> no laptop :(
[02:48] <apachelogger> Sat Aug  9 03:48:15 CEST 2008
[02:48] <JontheEchidna> I would probably never sleep if I had one
[02:48] <apachelogger> exactly :P
[02:57] <JontheEchidna> so gtk-qt-engine-kde4 is still using /usr/lib/kde4
[02:58] <JontheEchidna> but could -kde4 even coexist with gtk-qt-engine?
[02:59] <JontheEchidna> actually why do we even need the non-kde4 version
[02:59] <apachelogger> we don't :P
[02:59] <apachelogger> but
[02:59] <apachelogger> -kde4 doesn't build anymore
[02:59] <JontheEchidna> meh
[02:59] <apachelogger> actually Tonio wanted to fix that
[02:59] <apachelogger> weeks agao :S
[03:03] <JontheEchidna> whee
[03:03] <JontheEchidna> finally actually building
[03:04] <JontheEchidna> (kde4libs0
[03:19] <vorian> ~evening!
[03:20] <vorian> doh
[03:20] <apachelogger> morning
[03:20] <apachelogger> *yawn*
[03:20] <Jucato> almost noon
[03:20] <vorian> ok
[03:20] <JontheEchidna> evening!
[03:20] <vorian> happy time everyone :)
[03:21] <apachelogger> I can haz dbg packages?
[03:22] <vorian> i'm thinking about starting a site where a person can post the auto plate numbers of an idiot driver
[03:22] <JontheEchidna> it would be funny
[03:22] <JontheEchidna> if two people posted each other's
[03:23] <vorian> ya, well that would be cool
[03:23] <vorian> and
[03:23] <vorian> the other guy could say what a fool you are
[03:23] <vorian> then a challenge to solitare
[03:23] <vorian> TO THE DEATH!
[03:23] <apachelogger> that
[03:23] <JontheEchidna> lol
[03:23] <apachelogger> might take some time
[03:24] <vorian> also, there could be a section where you see someone you would like to meet
[03:24] <JontheEchidna> not if you are playing Moral Solitare
[03:24] <JontheEchidna> *Mortal
[03:24] <JontheEchidna> FATALITY, FLAWLESS VICTORY
[03:24] <vorian> apachelogger: na, just use smf
[03:24] <vorian> JontheEchidna: yes!
[03:24] <vorian> i like where this is going!
[03:25] <apachelogger> meh
[03:25] <apachelogger> vorian: do we have new minions already?
[03:25]  * apachelogger wants to retire
[03:26] <vorian> apachelogger: not yet
[03:26] <vorian> and, it all goes well, they won't even really start until october
[03:26] <vorian> so add 6-8 months on top of that
[03:26] <apachelogger> jeez
[03:26] <JontheEchidna> what's this about new minions?
[03:27] <vorian> just a recruiting drive :)
[03:27] <apachelogger> we shouldn't talk about minions when minions are around I guess
[03:27]  * JontheEchidna is a minion
[03:28] <JontheEchidna> minion of the universe
[03:28] <JontheEchidna> mOTU
[03:28] <vorian> hehe
[03:29] <apachelogger> on 338 mib for 4.0 -> 4.1
[03:29] <apachelogger> that is pretty boring
[03:29] <apachelogger> we should make everything depend on the -dbgs
[03:29] <JontheEchidna> good lord
[03:30] <apachelogger> woah
[03:30] <apachelogger> I just fell asleep for some seconds
[03:30] <JontheEchidna> lol
[03:30] <JontheEchidna> would we really need that extreme if we had apport?
[03:31] <apachelogger> actually
[03:31] <apachelogger> not
[03:31] <apachelogger> lp can retrace the crash
[03:31] <apachelogger> making it rather unnecessary to have the -dbgs
[03:31] <apachelogger> AFAIK
[03:31] <JontheEchidna> exactly
[03:42] <ScottK> OTOH installing the -dbgs by default up through say alpha 6 might not be a bad plan.
[03:42] <ScottK> I think I remember one of the KDE developers mentioning in their blog as a way they felt distros might actually be useful.
[03:42] <JontheEchidna> yeah, aseigo iirc
[03:43] <JontheEchidna> I think it's a good idea
[03:43] <JontheEchidna> for the KDE prereleases
[03:44] <ScottK> I think for us it doesn't matter prerelease or not until we end the alphas
[03:44] <vorian> +1
[04:19] <dschulz> does anybody knows when Qt 4.4.1 packages will be available in hardy-backports?
[08:34] <\sh> is anyone working on the new release of pyqt and sip4?
[09:41] <seele> hmm.. upgrading to 4.1 from the 4.0 remix doesnt work 100%
[10:41] <slytherin> yuriy: I was told to talk to you about matters concerning java on kubuntu.
[10:55] <slytherin> ﻿yuriy: when you have time, can you please add your comments on ﻿bug 183139
[11:26] <Dentharg> Hi
[11:43] <Dentharg> is there a place I can get packages with kdevelop4?
[11:43] <Dentharg> didn't find on launchpad.
[11:47] <apachelogger> seele: yeah, noticed it ealier today as well
[11:47] <apachelogger> morning .. btw
[12:28] <gnomefreak> Dentharg: there isnt anything for ubuntu at this time it looks like unless apachelogger happened to work on it
[12:28] <gnomefreak> or someone else
[12:28] <Dentharg> gnomefreak: ok; thx.
[12:28] <gnomefreak> np
[12:29] <Dentharg> it is a good time to try to make a .deb myself ;)
[12:30] <gnomefreak> try other places there are alot out there even on Ubuntu forums
[12:31] <gnomefreak> opensuse has it
[12:33] <gnomefreak> Dentharg: check with gNewSense 2.0
[12:33] <gnomefreak> it should be compatible not the best idea but its one
[12:34]  * apachelogger has an idea
[12:34] <Dentharg> gnomefreak: thx. I'll take a look on it.
[12:34] <apachelogger> how about included it in our archive?
[12:34] <apachelogger> i.e. someone could package it...
[12:39] <gnomefreak> apachelogger: im looking for it atm
[12:47] <gnomefreak> nope google lied its not in gnewsense
[12:47] <gnomefreak> only open suse AFAICT
[12:50] <gnomefreak> ill check Lenny after breakfast
[12:54] <gnomefreak> apachelogger: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=491272
[12:54] <gnomefreak> thats bad :(
[12:54] <gnomefreak> be back later
[13:14] <apachelogger> gnomefreak: pretty old
[13:41] <gnomefreak> apachelogger: old but still open
[13:44] <gnomefreak> its not in debian either
[14:11] <apachelogger> gnomefreak: alpha builds just fine
[14:12] <gnomefreak> apachelogger: ok someone should have closed that bug than
[14:14] <gnomefreak> apachelogger: are you pushing to bzr or to archive?
[14:28] <apachelogger> gnomefreak: pushing what?
[14:29] <gnomefreak> apachelogger: you built kdevelop4?
[14:29] <apachelogger> well, I built it, but I didn't package it ;-)
[14:29] <gnomefreak> ah
[18:49] <mornfall> Ah, all good now, it seems.
[19:10] <jtechidna> ping ubottu
[19:11] <jtechidna> oops
[22:15] <totopalma> Riddell, can you take a look at bug #256466 please?
[23:08] <yuriy> apachelogger, Nightrose: how is your bug jamming going?
[23:18] <neversfelde> can you tell me the status of changing kubuntu.orgs design. We would love to change ours in a similar way, too. But not before we know if kubuntu.org reached its final look?
[23:23] <apachelogger> yuriy: we are having one?
[23:48] <nhandler> Are the -kde4 suffixes on package names only temporary until kde4 is the default?
[23:57] <jtechidna> nhandler: yes
[23:57] <nhandler> jtechidna: So all packages with a -kde4 suffix will be renamed for intrepid?
[23:57] <jtechidna> most already are
[23:58] <jtechidna> in Intrepid
[23:58] <nhandler> Ok, thats what I thought jtechidna. I just wanted to be sure.
[23:59] <jtechidna> :)