[00:14] I AM VERY CONCERNED THAT ADEPT_MANAGER DOES NOT WARN ME ABOUT UNSIGNED PACKAGES [00:15] sorry for caps [00:16] yao_ziyua1: I suggest filing a bug. I agree. [00:16] Where is mornfall? [00:16] Should be sleeping, really. [00:17] And he just almost fell over from those caps in a highlight... [00:17] ScottK: i simply switch to synaptic [00:17] yao_ziyua1: I mostly use apt myself, but it's a good point. [00:18] mornfall: Is the new Adept going to handle that? [00:18] No. [00:18] I really think it needs to. [00:18] Debian has lived without for a decade. Noone asked so far. It's not a priority and I don't have time. [00:18] Read http://www.doxpara.com/DMK_BO2K8.ppt and tell me it's not different now. [00:19] i put my life on this damn adept_manager and i just realized it failed me [00:19] And complaints formulated like this make me a rather undermotivated developer. [00:19] i am in china [00:19] So he may well not be exaggerating. [00:19] and i do pro-democracy things [00:19] adept_manager really betrayed me [00:19] mornfall: Is any of it in Python by chance? I could help with that. [00:19] yao_ziyua1: Dude. Cool down. [00:20] ScottK: No. [00:20] OK. I can't help you out with coding then. Sorry. I think it's important enough I would have. [00:20] yao_ziyua1: It never ever said it would check signatures. [00:20] yao_ziyua1: It's your fault, really, not Adept's. If you want security, you have to work on it. [00:20] yao_ziyua1: I don't know if synaptic does either. If it's really important to you, use apt-get. [00:20] Blindly using programs without even trying to check what they do. Well, your problem. Sorry. [00:21] ScottK: synaptic does. i saw it. [00:21] OK. [00:21] (And I don't accept wishlist items in that tone, either.) [00:21] Goodnight. [00:26] mornfall: adept_manager does appear to be supporting signatures [00:26] mornfall: it even has a signatures list [00:27] yao_ziyua1: Please comment in Bug #256345 [00:28] adept_manager does not parse apt output [00:28] yao_ziyua1: oops Bug #256245 [00:28] Launchpad bug 256245 in adept "Adept does not warn if packages are unsigned" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/256245 [00:28] it just invoke apt in a quiet mode [00:29] and shows an error dialog box whenever apt outputs 'error' [00:29] Dude. You don't know a zilch about how it works. And stop hilighting me, *please*. [00:30] Ah, I have hilight on adept. [00:30] That's probably the problem. [00:32] ScottK: thank you for reporting [00:33] I almost never use it, so I didn't know until now. [00:34] ScottK: the general problem is adept_manager does not parse apt output messages and show corresponding GUI prompts. a simple solution would be to automatically show the console window when something unusual occurs [00:35] synaptic also does well in resolving broken packages [00:35] Unfortunately I don't code in anything but Python, so I can't really do much except complain. [00:35] i think we'd just kde-ize synaptic. i remember there is "ksynaptic" [00:35] There's a new kde4 adept coming. I don't know how different it is. [00:36] won't catch up with synaptic [00:37] I'm happy with apt-get myself. [00:38] The KDE4 version is pretty nice [00:38] much faster and more stable [00:42] JontheEchidna: i'll check [00:56] JontheEchidna: Now if it would just be secure. [01:01] JontheEchidna: what is the name of the kde4 version? [01:02] yao_ziyua1: It's not in the official repos yet [01:02] It's in mornfall's ppa, (so it's unsigned, lol) [02:29] ohhh [02:30] JontheEchidna: I think we need to recompile libs against nm 07 [02:30] my networkmanager plasmoid is not working right now :P [02:30] you have a network manager plasmoid? [02:31] can anybody tell me how to get amarok to recognize my 3rd gen ipod? [02:32] ncfi1013_: support in #kubuntu please [02:32] JontheEchidna: of course I do [02:32] nm broke all guis :P [02:32] apachelogger: you compiled it yourself? [02:32] yeah [02:34] so what do you want me to do? [02:35] change kdelibs to work with nm07 [02:36] I noticed the solid library names are different with network manager 0.7 [02:39] so I'd need kde4libs source + packaging [02:39] and network manager too? [02:39] or would I need to get the source for the nm plasmoid? [02:44] you just need to pbuilder kdelibs with a hook for the list-missing [02:44] or rather - it will probably break because the non-07 libs aren't available [02:44] anyway [02:44] JontheEchidna: you just need to build kdelibs against the current intrepid networkmanager [02:44] making it link against 0.7 [02:45] and then see if it builds [02:45] fixing ftbfs where they occur? [02:46] yes [02:46] hmm [02:46] well I guess I could get one build started before I go to bed [02:48] haha [02:48] bed [02:48] * apachelogger is in bed [02:48] for 3 hours now [02:48] no laptop :( [02:48] Sat Aug 9 03:48:15 CEST 2008 [02:48] I would probably never sleep if I had one [02:48] exactly :P [02:57] so gtk-qt-engine-kde4 is still using /usr/lib/kde4 [02:58] but could -kde4 even coexist with gtk-qt-engine? [02:59] actually why do we even need the non-kde4 version [02:59] we don't :P [02:59] but [02:59] -kde4 doesn't build anymore [02:59] meh [02:59] actually Tonio wanted to fix that [02:59] weeks agao :S [03:03] whee [03:03] finally actually building [03:04] (kde4libs0 [03:19] ~evening! [03:20] doh [03:20] morning [03:20] *yawn* [03:20] almost noon [03:20] ok [03:20] evening! [03:20] happy time everyone :) [03:21] I can haz dbg packages? [03:22] i'm thinking about starting a site where a person can post the auto plate numbers of an idiot driver [03:22] it would be funny [03:22] if two people posted each other's [03:23] ya, well that would be cool [03:23] and [03:23] the other guy could say what a fool you are [03:23] then a challenge to solitare [03:23] TO THE DEATH! [03:23] that [03:23] lol [03:23] might take some time [03:24] also, there could be a section where you see someone you would like to meet [03:24] not if you are playing Moral Solitare [03:24] *Mortal [03:24] FATALITY, FLAWLESS VICTORY [03:24] apachelogger: na, just use smf [03:24] JontheEchidna: yes! [03:24] i like where this is going! [03:25] meh [03:25] vorian: do we have new minions already? [03:25] * apachelogger wants to retire [03:26] apachelogger: not yet [03:26] and, it all goes well, they won't even really start until october [03:26] so add 6-8 months on top of that [03:26] jeez [03:26] what's this about new minions? [03:27] just a recruiting drive :) [03:27] we shouldn't talk about minions when minions are around I guess [03:27] * JontheEchidna is a minion [03:28] minion of the universe [03:28] mOTU [03:28] hehe [03:29] on 338 mib for 4.0 -> 4.1 [03:29] that is pretty boring [03:29] we should make everything depend on the -dbgs [03:29] good lord [03:30] woah [03:30] I just fell asleep for some seconds [03:30] lol [03:30] would we really need that extreme if we had apport? [03:31] actually [03:31] not [03:31] lp can retrace the crash [03:31] making it rather unnecessary to have the -dbgs [03:31] AFAIK [03:31] exactly [03:42] OTOH installing the -dbgs by default up through say alpha 6 might not be a bad plan. [03:42] I think I remember one of the KDE developers mentioning in their blog as a way they felt distros might actually be useful. [03:42] yeah, aseigo iirc [03:43] I think it's a good idea [03:43] for the KDE prereleases [03:44] I think for us it doesn't matter prerelease or not until we end the alphas [03:44] +1 [04:19] does anybody knows when Qt 4.4.1 packages will be available in hardy-backports? [08:34] <\sh> is anyone working on the new release of pyqt and sip4? [09:41] hmm.. upgrading to 4.1 from the 4.0 remix doesnt work 100% [10:41] yuriy: I was told to talk to you about matters concerning java on kubuntu. [10:55] yuriy: when you have time, can you please add your comments on bug 183139 [10:55] Launchpad bug 183139 in openjdk-6 "[wishlist] make gtk laf default for icedtea-java" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183139 [11:26] Hi [11:43] is there a place I can get packages with kdevelop4? [11:43] didn't find on launchpad. [11:47] seele: yeah, noticed it ealier today as well [11:47] morning .. btw === elysion is now known as nemphis [12:28] Dentharg: there isnt anything for ubuntu at this time it looks like unless apachelogger happened to work on it [12:28] or someone else [12:28] gnomefreak: ok; thx. [12:28] np [12:29] it is a good time to try to make a .deb myself ;) [12:30] try other places there are alot out there even on Ubuntu forums [12:31] opensuse has it [12:33] Dentharg: check with gNewSense 2.0 [12:33] it should be compatible not the best idea but its one [12:34] * apachelogger has an idea [12:34] gnomefreak: thx. I'll take a look on it. [12:34] how about included it in our archive? [12:34] i.e. someone could package it... [12:39] apachelogger: im looking for it atm [12:47] nope google lied its not in gnewsense [12:47] only open suse AFAICT [12:50] ill check Lenny after breakfast [12:54] apachelogger: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=491272 [12:54] thats bad :( [12:54] Debian bug 491272 in kdelibs5-dev "kdelibs5-dev: Can't compile kdevelop4" [Important,Open] [12:54] be back later [13:14] gnomefreak: pretty old [13:41] apachelogger: old but still open [13:44] its not in debian either [14:11] gnomefreak: alpha builds just fine [14:12] apachelogger: ok someone should have closed that bug than [14:14] apachelogger: are you pushing to bzr or to archive? [14:28] gnomefreak: pushing what? [14:29] apachelogger: you built kdevelop4? [14:29] well, I built it, but I didn't package it ;-) [14:29] ah [18:49] Ah, all good now, it seems. [19:10] ping ubottu [19:11] oops [22:15] Riddell, can you take a look at bug #256466 please? [22:15] Launchpad bug 256466 in kdeutils "Missing ark icon in GNOME menu" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/256466 [23:08] apachelogger, Nightrose: how is your bug jamming going? [23:18] can you tell me the status of changing kubuntu.orgs design. We would love to change ours in a similar way, too. But not before we know if kubuntu.org reached its final look? [23:23] yuriy: we are having one? [23:48] Are the -kde4 suffixes on package names only temporary until kde4 is the default? [23:57] nhandler: yes [23:57] jtechidna: So all packages with a -kde4 suffix will be renamed for intrepid? [23:57] most already are [23:58] in Intrepid [23:58] Ok, thats what I thought jtechidna. I just wanted to be sure. [23:59] :) === jtechidna is now known as JontheEchidna