[10:01] <gnomefreak> everything is crashing :(
[10:29] <gnomefreak> im gonna try to get to bug mail today i might try without wrist brace on to make it faster but that ddepends if i can hold my wrist in normal position
[10:30] <gnomefreak> i also need  a blogger applet to blog onto wordpress and i cant find one excpt for wordpress but im under the impression that you need a server to use it
[11:24] <gnomefreak> asac: you here?
[11:25]  * gnomefreak thinks we have a problem with a package or 2
[11:26] <gnomefreak> mozilla-bookmarksftp is only or atleast depends on ff2
[14:13] <RainCT> Hi
[14:14] <RainCT> I've a little question... Am I right if I say that package mozilla-venkman in Hardy (http://packages.ubuntu.com/hardy/all/mozilla-venkman/filelist) completely useless or am I missing something?
[14:15] <RainCT> (+is)
[14:16] <gnomefreak> RainCT: not that im aware of. what about it isnt working?
[14:18] <RainCT> gnomefreak: I haven't tried it, but it's creating the symlinks in usr/lib/iceape, usr/lib/icedove, etc.
[14:19] <gnomefreak> should be ok but testing it would be nice since we have both of those in archives
[14:19] <gnomefreak> as well as the upstream branding
[14:19] <RainCT> gnomefreak: but they are just transitional packages
[14:20] <gnomefreak> RainCT: yes i know sd i said someone needs to test it to make sure, either way its easy fix if needed
[14:20] <gnomefreak> RainCT: i might look at it nex week but im hoping my wrist allows me to type with both hands soon
[14:21] <gnomefreak> next
[14:21]  * RainCT has just changed that in Intrepid
[14:21] <gnomefreak> maybe ill ask jazzva to look at it
[14:21] <gnomefreak> when i see him
[14:22]  * RainCT decides to not be lazy and try if it works :P
[14:23] <gnomefreak> if it was merged or taken from debian since we dont really merge from debian but to debian maybe forgot to change it but if we did it than we nomrally dont merge them so it should work but like i said easy fix if needed
[14:25] <gnomefreak> we need to fix mozilla-ookmarksftp as well should be trival as well but im off for a while wrist is killing me
[14:28] <RainCT> ok, tried venkman... Firefox doesn't see the version from Hardy, but the version in Intrepid where I changed the names in debian/links works fine :)
[14:30]  * RainCT wonders why people keep merging a package to change the dependencies if it won't work anyways :P
[14:31] <RainCT> gnomefreak: uhm.. I can't find that mozilla-ookmarksftp package
[14:31] <gnomefreak> +b
[14:32] <gnomefreak> mozilla-bookmarksftp
[14:32] <RainCT> ah ok, now it makes more sense :P
[14:32] <gnomefreak> it depends on ff2 not 3
[14:33] <RainCT> ok, I'll have a look a it
[15:36] <RainCT> Is usr/lib/firefox-addons for Firefox 2 or Firefox 3?
[15:36] <RainCT> asac?
[15:37] <armin76> he's shopping
[15:38] <RainCT> oh ok
[15:38] <RainCT> the firefox-addons directory is for Fx 3, right?
[15:38] <armin76> no clue, try asking fta_
[15:47] <fta_> ff3
[15:48] <armin76> RainCT: ^
[15:49] <fta_> fta@ix:~ $ dpkg -S firefox-addons
[15:49] <fta_> ubufox, language-pack-fr-base, language-pack-en-base, firefox-3.0, firefox-3.1, language-pack-ja-base, firefox-4.0: /usr/lib/firefox-addons/extensions
[15:49] <RainCT> thanks
[15:57] <RainCT> fta: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-motu/2008-August/004403.html - is this explained on some wiki page?
[16:00] <fta> not sure, but i don't think so.
[16:02] <RainCT> fta: should I document that somewhere under MozillaTeam/ or is there a better place for it (ScottK asked for it to be on the wiki)?
[16:09] <fta> RainCT, yes, please. Somewhere close to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/Extensions/List
[16:21] <fta> i received several requests for packaging of flock 2.0b2. My last deb is b1 but i can't find a TAG for b2. Is there someone from flock here ?
[16:21] <fta> http://svn-mirror.flock.com/trac/flock/browser/tags
[16:22] <RainCT> fta: btw, why is there no able with the extensions that we get from Debian on MozillaTeam/Extensions/List?
[16:22] <RainCT> s/able/table
[16:24] <fta> the last one perhaps
[20:10] <Jazzva> RainCT, thanks for the howto for extensions merging :).
[20:11] <RainCT> np :)
[20:14] <Jazzva> asac, who do we need to bug in order to blacklist some extensions on mom :)? (those maintained in bzr with mozilla-devscripts)
[21:25] <fta> crimsun, ff3 dies when mplayer is running, I'm using mplayer with ao=pulse
[21:26] <crimsun> fta: any if mplayer uses alsa?
[21:26] <crimsun> s/any/and/
[21:27] <fta> with alsa, apps were fighting for dsp, ending with no sound anywhere
[21:27] <fta> but that was a while ago, donno if things improved since
[21:37] <crimsun> fta: err
[21:37] <crimsun> fta: in intrepid?  with the pulse pcm+ctl modifications in /usr/share/alsa/alsa.conf?
[21:37] <crimsun> and libasound2-plugins installed
[21:37] <crimsun> mplayer shouldn't be attempting to grab hw:
[21:38] <fta> i've been using ao=pulse since hardy
[22:02] <crimsun> fta: to test, use ao=alsa (or is it alsa9 or alsa09 these days, sheesh?)
[22:02] <fta> crimsun, btw, if i remove ao= from my ~/.mplayer/config, mplayer is still using pulse
[22:03] <fta>         alsa    ALSA-0.9.x-1.x audio output
[22:03] <crimsun> it should be routing through pa via asoundrc anyhow.
[22:04] <fta> i mean, by default, mplayer is using ao=pulse
[22:04] <crimsun> so what does ao=alsa give you?
[22:05] <fta> seems ok.
[22:05] <crimsun> so the pcm+ctl routing is fine with ao=alsa, but using ao=pulse gives you the error?
[22:06] <crimsun> if so, you know where to file a bug
[22:06] <crimsun> (against neither alsa-plugins nor alsa-lib but mplayer)
[22:07] <fta> donno yet, ff3 dies after a while, always when idle, hence the bug report saying "it dies during the night"
[22:07] <crimsun> oh, that bug?
[22:07] <crimsun> I thought you meant it croaked immediately
[22:08] <fta> no, it doesn't
[22:08] <crimsun> I suppose it doesn't matter, since the nondeterminism is a bug in itself
[23:24] <asac> ok
[23:24] <asac> anyone still awake=
[23:24] <asac> ?
[23:24] <fta> i am
[23:24] <asac> brave ;)
[23:25] <asac> fta: cant we package a random snapshot of flock?
[23:25] <fta> we can
[23:25] <asac> RainCT: firefox-addons is for ffox 3
[23:25] <asac> firefox is ffox 23
[23:25] <asac> ;)
[23:26] <asac> fta: i think if we package a snapshot that is close to b2 thats good ;)
[23:28] <asac> fta: how is the flock on xulrunner going?
[23:28] <fta> well, i don't see the point of spending more time there if it never enters the repo. xulification of this one will never happen imho
[23:28] <asac> never?
[23:28] <fta> i mean upstream
[23:29] <asac> fta: did you try to build --with-libxul-sdk=`
[23:29] <asac> ?
[23:29] <fta> and as it's a huge hack on top of non xulified ff3, it needs serious work to xulify
[23:29] <asac> where did they get the non-xulified ff3 from?
[23:29] <asac> ff3 is xulified
[23:30] <fta> their hacks is on both ff3 and xul
[23:30] <fta> are
[23:30] <asac> ok
[23:30] <asac> xul needs to be sorted
[23:30] <asac> ff3 is ok
[23:30] <asac> as shipping duplicate browser/ directory isnt a big problem imo
[23:30] <fta> i tried once to split the two, got it to build fine but it failed miserably at runtime
[23:31] <asac> which two?
[23:31] <RainCT> asac: OK, just wanted to be sure :). I've written https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/Extensions/Merging, btw.
[23:33] <asac> fta:  how can i checkout flock?
[23:33] <fta> my branch is on lp
[23:33] <asac> fta: no i mean ... how can i checkout upstream flock
[23:34] <fta> mozilla-devscript, as usual
[23:34] <asac> whats the svn url to use for checkout ;)
[23:35] <fta> /usr/share/mozilla-devscripts/mozclient/mozclient.pl flock
[23:35] <fta> svn://svn-mirror.flock.com/master/flock/trunk
[23:35] <asac> ok
[23:36] <asac> ridiculously hidden on their website ;)
[23:36] <fta> indeed
[23:36] <fta> http://svn-mirror.flock.com/trac/flock/browser
[23:37] <asac> fta: do you know if they have a "pristine/unmodified" upstreawm import, so i can do a svn diff and seee what they changed?
[23:38] <fta> yep, there: http://svn-mirror.flock.com/trac/flock/browser/vendor
[23:38] <asac> err, i am getting svn://svn-mirror.flock.com/master/flock/trunk/mozilla now
[23:38] <asac> so i can diff that against svn://svn-mirror.flock.com/master/flock/browser/vendor ?
[23:39] <fta> no
[23:39] <asac> ok i think i have it
[23:40] <asac> still confused
[23:40] <asac> why is there no "browser" dir in the svn: url :(
[23:41] <fta> there is, it's at http://svn-mirror.flock.com/trac/flock/browser/trunk/mozilla/browser
[23:41] <fta> coupled with http://svn-mirror.flock.com/trac/flock/browser/trunk/mozilla/flock
[23:42] <asac> fta: i cannot checkout those urls can i?
[23:42] <fta> browser it, it's a track
[23:42] <fta> -r
[23:42] <fta> (just a frontend)
[23:43] <asac> still confused
[23:43] <asac> so i svn co svn://svn-mirror.flock.com/master/flock/trunk/mozilla for flock
[23:43] <asac> and svn co svn://svn-mirror.flock.com/master/flock/vendor/firefox-3.0/mozilla
[23:43] <asac> for unmodified upstream?
[23:43] <asac> ok at least i get something that way
[23:46]  * asac igorantly tries --wiht-libxul-sdk build ;)
[23:47] <asac> --enable-application value not recognized (flock/build.mk does not exist).
[23:47] <asac> thats without any option
[23:47] <asac> (not even --with-libxul-sdk
[23:47] <asac> )
[23:49] <asac> ok i copied browser/build.mk to flock/build.mk ;)
[23:51] <asac> ok trying our system nspr patches
[23:52] <asac> flockIRDFSQLDataSource not found
[23:52] <asac> did they add that to toolkit?
[23:52] <asac> hmm
[23:53] <asac> oh they added it to rdf/ ;)
[23:53] <asac> why that?