[00:39] <mtaylor> where can I file questions about translations?
[00:39] <mtaylor> I've had a new .pot file in "Needs Review" status for over a week now.
[01:33] <thumper> mtaylor: if you file the question against launchpad it will be shuffled to the right person
[01:34] <mtaylor> thumper: ok. so just against launchpad itself...
[01:34] <mtaylor> thanks
[01:34] <thumper> yes
[01:43] <outime> Hey guys... how it's possible that I've activated "restricted translations" to my project, and the members of the translation group can't make any changes?
[02:30] <lifeless> can I delete bug comments like https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/bzr-hg/+bug/53220/comments/2 yet ?
[02:30] <lifeless> they are total noise
[03:18] <radix> lifeless: who _is_ that guy
[03:19] <radix> is he a robot?
[03:19] <wgrant> I doubt it.
[03:19] <wgrant> It's normal Ubuntu policy to do that.
[03:19] <radix> I've seen a bunch of comments with that exact text
[03:19] <wgrant> But he apparently decided to start outside Ubuntu.
[03:19] <radix> oh, fun
[03:20] <radix> he did that to a bug I was subscribed to when it was clear that it was the maintainer who needed to respond to the information provided, not the reporter who needed to provide more information
[03:20] <radix> that was pretty annoying
[03:20] <radix> or maybe someone who uses the same form letter, I dunno
[03:20] <wgrant> Yes, some people aren't robots but certainly act like them.
[03:35] <ajmitch> makes for easy bug triage, and big numbers at the end of the day
[03:48]  * Hobbsee smashes head against the wall
[03:48] <Hobbsee> how the hell am i supposed to find anything on this new abomination of a page?
[03:49] <Hobbsee> oh.  there.  far right hand side, in the middle of the page.  thanks, page find.
[03:50] <wgrant> Which page now?
[03:50] <Hobbsee> Source and binaries deleted by Sarah Hobbs request:
[03:50] <Hobbsee> should be s/by/at/, too
[03:50] <Hobbsee> wgrant: +archive.  trying to delete package.s
[03:51] <wgrant> Ah.
[03:59] <lifeless> ajmitch: what he's doing is not triage
[04:00] <lifeless> I mailed him
[04:00] <lifeless> its his first time working on bugs
[04:01] <lifeless> and 'someone' told him a bug with no comment in a while can be closed
[04:01] <wgrant> Was it even Incomplete?
[04:01] <Hobbsee> i do note that on the bug days, a lot of people don't seem to be around.
[04:02] <lifeless> wgrant: it was incomplete; but that's really not important
[04:02] <lifeless> sorry, it was 'status incomplete'
[04:03]  * Hobbsee tells the guy who feels he's helping by pointing out wishlist bugs, only, that he should find better things to do.
[04:03] <lifeless> Hobbsee: but will he still be able to walk when you've told him
[04:04] <Hobbsee> lifeless: yeah.
[04:04] <Hobbsee> :P
[04:04] <lifeless> you're getting soft
[04:04] <lifeless> :)
[04:05] <Hobbsee> he's missed the point completely.
[04:05] <Hobbsee> ah well
[04:07] <Hobbsee> i guess people like to feel like they're making a difference, when, for all intents and purposes, they aren't, and coudl be replaced with a very small shell script
[06:18] <emgent> some launchpad dev here?
[06:19] <mwhudson> yes, but: it's my sunday afternoon :)
[06:20] <emgent> heheh true
[07:49] <khajavi> Help. I create a new project in launchpad https://code.launchpad.net/~khajavi/+junk/yastwitt and now I add two subscriber to this project. subscribers of my project cant update the branch
[07:51] <khajavi> how can I set their permissions to edit Branch?
[07:51] <wgrant> khajavi: That's correct - subscription grants no rights.
[07:51] <wgrant> You've also not created a project, merely a branch.
[07:51] <wgrant> You want https://launchpad.net/projects/+new to register a project.
[07:52] <wgrant> You should then create a team, and add to that the people who should be able to write to the branch.
[07:52] <wgrant> Then change the ownership of the branch to that new team.
[07:52] <khajavi> wgrant: thanks
[08:58] <capiscuas1982> I have a question, I registered a new project in LaunchPad, also a new branch
[08:58] <capiscuas1982> how can I get the branch from bzr ?
[08:58] <capiscuas1982> i get this
[08:59] <capiscuas1982> yen@yen-laptop:/tmp/babiloo$ bzr branch lp:babiloo
[08:59] <capiscuas1982> Enter passphrase for key '/home/yen/.ssh/id_rsa':
[08:59] <capiscuas1982> bzr: ERROR: Not a branch: "bzr+ssh://capiscuas@bazaar.launchpad.net/~babiloo-developers/babiloo/trunk/".
[08:59] <mwhudson> capiscuas1982: you need to push to the branch
[08:59] <mwhudson> capiscuas1982: registering the branch in the webapp doesn't create the filesystem-level branch
[08:59] <capiscuas1982> how to?
[09:00] <mwhudson> create the branch locally: bzr init babiloo-trunk
[09:01] <mwhudson> then add some files, commit them or whatever
[09:01] <mwhudson> then push the branch to launchpad: bzr push lp:babiloo (from inside the branch directory)
[09:02] <capiscuas1982> oh, many thanks, let me try
[09:06] <capiscuas1982> i did yen@yen-laptop:/tmp/babiloo$ bzr push lp:babiloo --use-existing-dir , and it worked
[09:06] <capiscuas1982> mwhudson: thanks
[09:06] <mwhudson> cool
[09:06] <mwhudson> sorry for this being so confusing :)
[09:09] <capiscuas1982> hehe, no problem, now I got this on the site https://code.launchpad.net/~babiloo-developers/babiloo/trunk
[09:09] <capiscuas1982> Repository format:  	Packs containing knits without subtree support
[09:10] <capiscuas1982> is that normal? when I will get subtree support, when I'll commit some folder ?
[09:10] <mwhudson> that's entirely normal, yes
[09:11] <mwhudson> 'subtree support' is about having branches that contain other branches
[09:11] <mwhudson> rather than just files and directories
[09:11] <Peng_> (Also, it's more or less experimental.)
[09:11] <mwhudson> (we should display less confusing messages here, i think there's a but about this somewhere)
[09:11] <mwhudson> Peng: more than less, i think...
[09:13] <capiscuas1982> I cannot see the messages
[09:13] <capiscuas1982> Get this branch: 	bzr branch lp:babiloo
[09:13] <capiscuas1982> Update this branch: 	bzr push lp:babiloo
[09:13] <capiscuas1982> in the site
[09:13] <capiscuas1982> will this appear later?
[09:14] <mwhudson> sorry, i don't really understand
[09:14] <mwhudson> fwiw, *I* see "You cannot upload to this branch. Members of The Developers of the Babiloo Project  can upload to this branch. "
[09:17] <capiscuas1982> that is normal right? only us, developers should have right to commit in that branch
[09:18] <mwhudson> right
[13:07]  * RainCT notes again that the remove dependency from blueprints feature is broken
[13:54] <gnomefreak> im getting dpkg-buildpackage errors from PPA builds but builds fine localy
[13:55] <gnomefreak> to be exact FAILED [dpkg-buildpackage died]
[13:55] <gnomefreak> Purging chroot-autobuild/build/buildd/firegpg-0.5.1
[13:56] <wgrant> Your build process is buggy.
[13:56] <wgrant> What's the actual error? That's not it.
[13:57] <Ursinha> gnomefreak, what the log says?
[13:57] <gnomefreak> make: *** No rule to make target `firegpg.xpi', needed by `stamp-extension-install'.  Stop.
[13:57] <gnomefreak> dpkg-buildpackage: failure: /usr/bin/fakeroot debian/rules binary gave error exit status 2
[13:57] <wgrant> There's your problem.
[13:57] <gnomefreak> full log http://launchpadlibrarian.net/16689185/buildlog_ubuntu-intrepid-i386.firegpg_0.5.1-0ubuntu1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[13:57] <gnomefreak> wgrant: it builds fine localy
[13:57] <Ursinha> let me see
[13:58] <wgrant> gnomefreak: In a pbuilder or similar?
[13:58] <gnomefreak> my system
[13:58] <gnomefreak> neither i built it on my intrepid system
[13:58] <Ursinha> gnomefreak, you should test on a clean environment
[13:58] <gnomefreak> i just built and uploaded hardys that was in a chroot
[13:58] <Ursinha> maybe your package is missing to require dependencies
[13:59] <gnomefreak> Ursinha: there arnt any
[13:59] <gnomefreak> there is one build-dep
[13:59] <wgrant> gnomefreak: You cannot assert that it builds fine locally unless you do it in a pbuilder or sbuild.
[13:59] <Ursinha> gnomefreak, have you tried to build it in a fresh intrepid image?
[13:59] <Ursinha> agree with wgrant
[13:59] <gnomefreak> Ursinha: this is about as fresh as it gets
[14:00] <Ursinha> gnomefreak, you have to try it with pbuilder
[14:00] <Ursinha> and if it builds ok, try to figure out what can it be
[14:00] <wgrant> Soyuz's buildd setup does some strange things, but that's not one of them.
[14:00] <Ursinha> but for now it's inaccurate to assume that
[14:00] <gnomefreak> Ursinha: fine ill try my intrepid chroot but since 2 of us built it and it build fine i doubt it will change
[14:00] <wgrant> build.sh: 112: zip: not found
[14:00] <wgrant> Your build dependencies lose.
[14:00] <Ursinha> gnomefreak, see?
[14:01] <gnomefreak> zip build-dep maybe upstream changed it but that isnt my fault is it?
[14:02] <gnomefreak> let me see if its in build-deps
[14:02] <Ursinha> guess it should
[14:02] <persia> gnomefreak: Only in the sense that you didn't test in a clean environment to check.
[14:02] <gnomefreak> its not there upstream had to of added it with 0.5.1
[14:02] <gnomefreak> persia: i tested it on a clean system
[14:03] <wgrant> Isn't an XPI just a ZIP in the first place?
[14:03] <wgrant> gnomefreak: That doesn't count.
[14:03] <persia> gnomefreak: Yes, but not sufficiently clean.
[14:03] <wgrant> ubuntu-desktop is *enormous*.
[14:03] <gnomefreak> other than tbird and a few other packages its clean
[14:03] <wgrant> Not clean.
[14:03] <wgrant> Very very polluted.
[14:03] <Ursinha> gnomefreak, clean is fresh
[14:03] <gnomefreak> enormous wont change outcome
[14:03] <wgrant> It will.
[14:03] <persia> Umm.  Even a system with X is not clean (personally, I think even a system with ubuntu-minimal is not clean)
[14:03] <wgrant> You must depending on anything that isn't build-essential.
[14:03] <wgrant> *must be depending
[14:04] <wgrant> Not just stuff that isn't in ubuntu-desktop.
[14:04] <Ursinha> persia, hm, i'm calling clean a system that was just created by pbuilder
[14:04] <persia> Also, the way that something builds may vary if other things are installed on the local system than that appearing in the build-depends.
[14:04] <gnomefreak> wgrant: it never had zip as a build-dep until 0.5.1
[14:04] <gnomefreak> so i will add it adn rebuild
[14:04] <persia> gnomefreak: Right.  Upstream changed stuff.  It's good to check.
[14:04] <Ursinha> gnomefreak, that's why you should have a fresh and clean install
[14:04] <Ursinha> things may change and you won't notice them
[14:05] <wgrant> You must always test in a proper environment before uploading.
[14:05] <Ursinha> unless you test properly
[14:05] <persia> Ursinha: One should *build* in a buildd environment, and test in a clean install.
[14:06] <Ursinha> persia, yes, that is what i tried to say, thanks
[14:06] <Ursinha> the idea, i mean
[14:25] <khajavi> I create a https://launchpad.net/yastwitt project, how can I add members(developer) to it?
[14:27] <persia> khajavi: You'd need an associated group
[14:27] <persia> s/group/team/
[14:28] <khajavi> you mean that I would create new team?
[14:29] <khajavi> persia: ^
[14:29] <capiscuas1982> hi guys, why there is no button in LP to remove/rename releases?
[14:50] <RainCT> capiscuas1982: you can change the code name clicking on "Change details"
[14:50] <RainCT> about the release name, I guess that's because it would change the URLs (dunno why you can't remove one, though)
[14:51] <persia> Maybe in the spirit of not changing history?
[14:55] <RainCT> maybe, but UI's should forgive. if you can't remove releases, if you create one accidentally you're screwed
[14:58] <sabdfl> +1 to that, RainCT
[14:59] <Hobbsee> RainCT: but russian roulette is fun!
[15:01] <persia> RainCT: Hmm.  I see the point.  I fear removals while external links exist, but fixing mistakes is always nice.
[15:04] <RainCT> persia: Right, but you can already remove downloadable files, so you can break links anyway
[15:05] <persia> RainCT: Ah.  That takes away any value for preserving releases then.
[15:32] <khajavi> help, I want to push my project but I get following error:  bzr push lp:yastwitt
[15:32] <khajavi> Transport operation not possible: http does not support mkdir()
[15:33] <khajavi> how can I push my project via bzr+ssh ?
[15:35] <khajavi> anyone could help me?
[15:37] <RainCT> khajavi: Have you added your SSH key(s) to Launchpad?
[15:37] <khajavi> yes
[15:37] <khajavi> I know that I cant edit branch by http protocol
[15:37] <khajavi> how can I use another protocol
[15:38] <RainCT> khajavi: and have you done  bzr lp-login <username>  ?
[15:39] <RainCT> Uhm... If there's any dev around, is it possible to use launchpadlibs without authenticathing, for read-only operations (so that we can use it for REVU)?
[15:41] <khajavi> RainCT: thanks for your response :-D
[15:41] <RainCT> khajavi: you're welcome :)
[16:51] <Leefmc> Question: Does Launchpad project hosting offer a wiki? I'm not seeing one, but it feels weird that they offer so much, but no wiki
[16:53] <RainCT> Leefmc: No, it doesn't.
[16:53] <Leefmc> odd
[16:53] <Leefmc> k thanks
[16:54] <Leefmc> RainCT: And just to make sure, does it provide something 'like' a wiki? (Some place to store docs, etc)
[16:55] <RainCT> Leefmc: Well, perhaps the Answers tracker (which also lets you create a FAQ), but I don't think that's what you want
[16:56] <Leefmc> RainCT: Hmm yea. Very odd hah :), any idea why no wiki is provided? It seems launchpads features are pretty extensive, but a wiki is a pretty basic item these days
[16:56] <Leefmc> (not complaining, just inquiring)
[16:58] <RainCT> Leefmc: Because there's more prioritary stuff they have to work on first, I guess
[16:58] <Leefmc> gotcha :)
[16:59] <RainCT> Leefmc: If you just want to create some pages, there are wikis where you can do that (I remember that I've heard about a wiki for Qt applications, but I don't know where it was..)
[17:00] <Leefmc> Yea, its just that i cant find anything, just more that i'd prefer it to be all in one place :). No biggie
[17:03] <Leefmc> erm. just=not
[17:03] <Leefmc> *drinks more coffee
[22:42] <hansengel> Hi, I was just trying to get the API working.. it was doing fine with GET requests, but now I've tried to do a PUT request and it keeps telling me 'Unknown consumer (None).'
[22:42] <hansengel> Here's my curl command:
[22:43] <hansengel>  curl -iX PUT -H "Content-Type: application/json" https://api.edge.launchpad.net/beta/bugs/249722 -d "{'oauth_token':'<token>','oauth_signature_method':'PLAINTEXT','oauth_signature':'&<secret token>','oauth_consumer_key':'just testing','oauth_timestamp':'$(ts)','oauth_nonce':'<nonce>','oauth_version':'1.0','description':'apitest'"
[22:44] <hansengel> oh :P didn't put brace at the end of the JSON.. will try that
[22:44] <hansengel> nope, still isn't working
[22:45] <hansengel> by the way - `ts` is a program that I wrote - returns a Unix timestamp
[22:45] <hansengel> am I not supposed to put the OAuth stuff inside JSON?