[00:33] can intrepid nuke a partition on a crash? [00:36] did you make a backup? [00:36] yes [00:36] but is it possible? [00:36] then yes [00:37] intrepid is in alpha [00:37] Well a partition could get nuked on a crash anyways [00:37] (not that I think it will get signficantly safer) [00:38] what filesystem did you have in mind? [00:38] ext3\ [00:39] the others ones are unstable or poorly made fscks like jfs [00:39] you should be reasonably safe [00:39] but hardware still fails, and there could be major bugs lying about I don't know about [00:40] i never had corruptions with jfs only fsck caused corruptions [00:40] heh [00:40] ages ago, a roommate of mine nuked a xfs partition [00:40] he unplugged the wrong cable from the ups [00:41] thats xfs [00:41] indeed [00:41] have u ever used jfs? [00:41] ive read about it but no, I've not used it [00:41] for a long time it was a set of patches outside the kernel [00:42] now its in git [00:42] anyways, when running intrepid, you may be the first person to experience a given bug, including data loss [00:42] why? [00:43] why not? [00:43] oh NM [00:44] I might use intrepid as primart [00:44] where is the network settings [00:44] if you're worried about data loss, intrepid is an elevated risk over hardy. if you really want intrepid, take steps to protect yourself [00:44] already did =) [00:45] when i installed it it seemed to go without a dns server set [00:45] you should always have backups [00:45] so i can only go to sites by typing in their ip [00:46] Zeroyez: i think networking is a bit ~ atm [00:46] well, can you tell me how to un-~ it [00:46] well i am going to give jfs another chance on / anyways since that current ext3 paritition is basically trashed. [00:48] Zeroyez: find a hardy cd [00:49] alternatively, start hacking network manager and the kernel [00:49] thats the problem [00:49] there is no network manager [00:49] indeed [00:50] unless you can help fix that, you can only wait for others to [00:52] ok and what is the root password [00:52] it didn't ask me for one on setup...i'm used to debian [00:52] ah [00:52] there isn't one [00:53] sudo should ask for your password [00:56] xfs and intrepid is something like unusable [00:56] when updating from hardy [00:57] i had a 1gb boot partition with ext3, and xfs root partition [00:57] MermaidMan: see? [00:57] the update fails [00:57] it's weird, intrepid has all the network settings right, but the only thing it can connect to is 192.168.1.1 [00:58] i suppose i should find and subscribe to the bug about networknig [00:58] this bug sux [00:59] i wasted a whole 3 hours downloading this :C [00:59] yikes [01:00] i only run ubuntu+1 on my laptop [01:00] me to [01:00] thats why i test that [01:00] why would you run xfs on a laptop? [01:01] why, because its faster [01:01] pwnguin: I see [01:01] anyone finding the AltGr key miss mapped? [01:01] ganjaman: is it? [01:01] ganjaman: XFS is not very good at surviving crashs as good as jfs and etx3 [01:02] and even if it is, laptop drives are crazy slow [01:03] but the crash survival part is the important thing [01:03] who cares [01:03] i thought you did [01:03] argh, damn firefox is blocking me. [01:03] http://www.villagetronic.com/vidock/index.html [01:03] i guess im wrong [01:03] Reported attack site, yet: [01:03] i care about the bugs, not the filesystem [01:03] oh... and this 20th time, it let me through. [01:04] i always made backups [01:04] http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Filesystems/reiserfs.html [01:04] DanaG: WFM [01:04] either xfs or ext4 no homicide fs [01:04] i hate reiserfs; takes too long to mount [01:04] at least it loads, what's your problem? [01:04] Odd.. must be Redirect Remover. [01:04] http://85.255.118.252/ind.php?src=240&surl=www.villagetronic.com&sport=80&suri=%2Fvidock%2Findex.html [01:05] Click "Why was it blocked?" [01:05] i hate ext3, pig with inodes and a lot of OVERHEAD [01:05] What is the current listing status for 85.255.118.252/ind.php? : This site is not listed as suspicious. [01:05] ... if it's not suspicious.. that's just screwy. [01:05] .. and try clicking "ignore" [01:06] DanaG: I see the breakage, and your point [01:06] http://www.stopbadware.org/reports/container?reportident=1091185 [01:06] Odd. [01:06] file in bugzilla, I believe [01:07] anyone on a dell inspiron? [01:07] the montauk monster was a modified intrepid [01:07] DanaG: maybe you found a corner case of the Google police [01:08] to promote ubuntu [01:08] If you file it I can confirm that it might be a bugger [01:08] Hmm, I think it's not Firefox itself doing that; it's some odd interaction with Redirect Remover. [01:09] google for vidock and click the first result. [01:09] DanaG: what links do you follow to get to the bogus page? [01:09] So, it's not an Ubuntu bug. [01:09] I for one tried Redirect Remover and found it to be more a pain than a tool [01:10] Yeah. [01:10] Same here; just another reason why. I'm going to get rid of it. [01:10] DanaG: clicking the first goog result works just fine [01:11] ani Inspiron users whose keyboard layout went nuts? [01:14] DanaG: any ideas where to look for the broken wireless bug? [01:14] What broken wireless bug? [01:15] the one where i cant connect to anything internety [01:16] time to find a crossover cable i guess [01:16] and hope its fixed [01:20] I think it's http://ph.ubuntuforums.com/showthread.php?s=ec92c244079e74711014485f196724ee&t=638402&page=2 [01:20] my screwy keyboard [01:30] How difficult would it be to setup my own repo? I have to maintain customized ubuntu workstations and I'd like to be able to add configuration diff's into software modules and have all my network computers update to my own repo. [01:32] quentusrex, I don't think it's so hard [01:32] you mean on a LAN? [01:32] yup [01:32] I have around 400 computers all running ubuntu. [01:32] and I hate to reconfigure them each time. [01:32] wow [01:33] where is this? [01:33] no you definitely should have your own repo [01:33] the company I work for... Seattle... [01:33] http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/286 [01:33] yeah... [01:33] we clog up the pipes some times.... [01:33] you might want to run apt-cache too [01:33] to cache updates for the workstations [01:34] I think it's apt-mirror actually? [01:34] lol [01:34] !info apt-mirror [01:34] apt-mirror (source: apt-mirror): APT sources mirroring tool. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.4.5-1ubuntu1 (intrepid), package size 11 kB, installed size 120 kB [01:34] !info apt-cache [01:34] Package apt-cache does not exist in intrepid [01:34] quentusrex: assuming you know about packaging, it's not impossible [01:35] emet, is there a way to reconfigure some of the packages? [01:35] !info reprepro [01:35] reprepro (source: reprepro): Debian package repository producer. In component universe, is extra. Version 3.5.2-1 (intrepid), package size 333 kB, installed size 824 kB [01:35] um sure [01:35] quentusrex: there's a way to provide answers to config questions [01:35] pwnguin, what about running diff's after the package is installed? [01:35] if you need to get deeper than that, you'll have to rebuild the packages [01:36] that's fine... I don't mind rebuilding them... [01:36] quentusrex: why not run the diff on the package, then store that in the repo [01:36] which ever would work better for me... [01:37] well, i think packaging's probably a useful skill for a sysadmin anyways [01:37] especially at that size [01:37] yeah [01:37] definitely [01:37] I've made a few local packages [01:38] we usually configure the new workstations with "wget ipaddress/install.deb" then just run the deb [01:38] same principle, but you store them elsewhere [01:38] quentusrex, locally on the machine? [01:38] How difficult would it be to keep up with updates to software packages? [01:38] quentusrex: I might help you go from machine to machine using sneaker net if you get me an H1 visa in the mean time ;) [01:38] emet, I run the wget and install on each machines through ssh [01:38] cool [01:39] quentusrex: depends on the package [01:39] and the distro [01:39] well, we run hardy... [01:40] if you stick with the stable stuff, and have a sizeable mirror / cache /proxy you should do okay [01:40] is there a way to not allow new packages into my repo until I approve them? [01:40] good question, I don't know [01:41] such as each new package from the official repo's aren't allow into my repo until I authorize them? and then setup each of my machines to only look to my repo [01:41] it seems like a simple thing to do via apt-cache [01:41] apt-mirror :) [01:41] whatevre [01:41] lol [01:41] um [01:41] hrmrm [01:42] Oh yeah, there is an apt proxy thingy. [01:42] Oh, for customized... that's different. [01:42] the thingy that acts as a middle man [01:42] You could make a custom "tweaks" package, and put that on the custom repo. [01:42] that's apt-mirror IIRC [01:43] dpkg-divert can be handy. [01:43] !info dpkg-divert [01:43] Package dpkg-divert does not exist in intrepid [01:44] Would it be possible to manage my own stable/testing/unstable release folders? [01:44] debian? [01:44] so that even if the software is stable for hardy, I still have to declare it stable for my network [01:44] emet, I've forgotten how ubuntu manages the new packages. [01:45] I honest have no clue, but you can run your own mirror [01:45] we use named repos [01:45] I was using the debian reference because it seems easier for my network [01:45] Another thing you can do: [01:45] you might be able to stall updates on your own mirror [01:46] and have the workstations only pick up from your own mirror [01:46] use one test machine for -proposed repo, and don't enable -proposed on the others. [01:46] That stalling works, too. [01:46] right, I would have all my production workstations run on my stable repo [01:47] and have my unstable repo stay updated to the latest packages [01:47] unfortunately, my school moved away from debian to gentoo [01:47] so i don't have anyone to ask [01:47] and I would move them to testing to see if they still work on my network. And have a few workstations to test the new packages with... [01:48] quentusrex: alternatively, have a mirror, a test workstation, and subscribe to the -changes list [01:48] ? [01:48] assuming you can get the mirror to do the whole delay thing [01:49] How would I handle dist-upgrades? [01:49] very carefully [01:49] :-D [01:49] how important is that to you? [01:49] hardy's an LTS [01:50] I know, but I might be here in 10 years... [01:51] and when the LTS runs out I don't want to die.... [01:51] from what? [01:51] plus I'm going to want to put newer software than Hardy has installed [01:51] like firefox 4.0.... [01:51] with all of the adblock extentions installed already... [01:52] do you image the machines? [01:53] that would solve the dist-upgrade problem a bit faster, perhaps [01:53] I image the machines right now, but I don't want to.... [01:54] imaging is good to start, but from what I can tell, tight control of the environment afterwards is much more the concern, right? [01:54] I'd rather use ssh to dist-upgrade them in chunks. [01:54] right. [01:54] well the thing is that dist-upgrade can be rather chaotic on the desktop [01:55] imaging requires someone sit at the machine for a little bit of time... which can take tons of man hours, where an ssh dist-upgrade(if possible) would take MUCH less time. [01:55] I believe if you create your apt-mirror and only put in there what you really want, then nuke all the repo lists from the clients noting would slip through I believe [01:55] all the lists but the mirror ;) [01:55] yup [01:56] as for customizing the packages that's a different story I think [01:56] right, that's the idea I'm hoping to use.... [01:56] I'll wait on the custom packages until after I have my own repo.... [01:56] I concur that apt-mirror should do for now [01:57] here's a question, why do you want to stop upgrades [01:57] is it risk mitigation? [01:57] or you might give some dough to Canonical and then come back and tell us how they did ;) [01:57] I really would like to know :) [01:57] i have to wonder if this isnt already in the wiki [01:58] pwnguin, in a corporate environment is always like that, don't fix if not broken [01:58] alex_mayorga: true, but that also means LTS [01:58] regulations, law and whatnot force you to have tight control of every single bit [01:59] been there [01:59] yes yes [01:59] but an LTS is easier to manage than dist-upgrading every six months [02:00] if you're just trying to keep the customizations in place, you can abuse the version numbering or use apt-pinning [02:00] there should be no difference if at all, or at least that's what I understand, I'm 80% wrong I believe though [02:01] actually, don't abuse version numbering [02:01] nothing good can come from that [02:01] shouldn't an updated package respect the customizations already in place by default? [02:01] I'm planning to stay with hardy on most of the workstations, but there are a few that might need packages that aren't in hardy. I'd upgrade those. [02:01] it depends [02:01] that's the *nix way anyway [02:01] alex_mayorga: if you patch a package [02:02] and ubuntu doesn't [02:02] ideally, those changes you'd send to ubuntu, so you don't have to merge them [02:02] or sit on updates [02:03] there are some changes, like adding our file servers, and other servers. [02:03] quentusrex: another option is backporting, if it's only a few packages [02:03] I don't mean changes "in" the package, I mean "configuration" of them, a package update should never nuke the configuration [02:03] that I want to apply only to internal machines [02:03] Better way to customize: [02:03] dpkg-divert [02:03] 'should' is the word I don't like.... [02:04] go to console and 'man' it. [02:04] I've had a problem because we run a fedora server, [02:04] you shouldn't have to modify packages to add your servers or things like that, yous provide sensible defaults at some central place and be done with it, right? [02:04] and ubuntu upgraded one of the packages and that broke all the workstations that tried to use the fedora server..... [02:04] dpkg-divert conf files, and make your own package with customized versions. [02:05] I like DanaG's version [02:05] Or make the diversions be part of the package. [02:05] like for firefox I want to provide all the default bookmarks for the company. [02:05] I've diverted a few things out of the way, myself -- for example, I made the Toshiba brightness thing call the REGULAR video brightness thing, not the toshiba one. [02:05] That way, I get the brightness display. [02:05] quenusrex: that's a bug to file in my book [02:07] Firefox package is a big one for me right now. I have to add 20 bookmarks that all machines are required to have. And also install adblock, and 7 other plugins.... I'd rather just do it once, put it into my repo and tell all the machines to upgrade.... [02:09] I still want to install any ubuntu updates, but I need to be able to have a package that installs all my customizations [02:09] I believe you can make extensions be auto-installed by putting them in some system-level folder. [02:09] you could put together a package that just dpkg-diverts the config stuff and depends on extra packages, etc [02:09] probably, but that is just one example.... [02:10] pwnguin, if that could work it would be great. [02:10] You can also global-install the actual installed extensions, then push that out as part of your firefox customizations package. [02:10] that way for when I install samba client on the machines it requires all the samba shares that should be installed and mounted automatically. [02:10] http://www.bengoodger.com/software/mb/extensions/packaging/extensions.html [02:11] er, wrong idea [02:12] http://wiki.debian.org/Enterprise [02:12] http://kb.mozillazine.org/Installing_extensions -- global [02:12] look for global [02:13] looks like we missed this conference :) http://en.oreilly.com/oscon2008/public/schedule/detail/2898 [02:14] luckily theres the presentation, I wonder why they submit PPTs in OSCON :D [02:15] why don't use PXE and recreate a clean machine for each one of your users on the fly? [02:16] or even better dumb clients or thin clients? [02:16] I already use that on some of the machines [02:16] I still want to manage the global software repo for all my machines.... [02:16] that way you only manage/fix one machine in esence [02:16] and add custom packages to my repo [02:17] alex_mayorga, that won't work in this kind of enviroment... [02:17] parts, yes. but not all. [02:17] just what the hell does landscape do? [02:17] quentusrex: just throwing ideas around [02:18] thanks [02:18] !info landscape [02:18] Package landscape does not exist in intrepid [02:18] brutal. 150 / node per year [02:19] http://www.canonical.com/projects/landscape [02:20] pwnguin, yet SABDFL is not in this for the money :) [02:20] i dont think he ever said that [02:21] I'm sure he didn't [02:24] who's SABDFL? [02:26] self appointed benevolent dictator for life [02:26] !info landscape-client [02:26] landscape-client (source: landscape-client): Placeholder for the Landscape client. In component main, is optional. Version 0.1 (intrepid), package size 1 kB, installed size 32 kB [02:27] Is anyone else having problems with ethernet connections disconnecting/reconnecting every so often [02:27] Would there be a way to get landscape without the paid version? [02:31] quentusrex, the client maybe, the server is proprietary software and SAAS :S [02:32] time for me to jump off to Debian I believe [02:32] Sign up for a free trial: Ubuntu users are invited to register for a free trial at www.canonical.com/landscape/register. Trials will be restricted to users who register 5 or more machines on the system. The free trial lasts for 60 days. [02:33] yeah, I honestly think if Canonical does that(charge for access to some software) they'll really start hurting... [02:33] That is F*ed up... [02:33] indeed [02:34] was good wile it lasted, so slackware is it? long time I was pondering to go to an in-flux distro, any recommendations? [02:34] We pay for support on some of our servers so that we help Canonical out, but if they are going to deny some software to anyone who doesn't pay, then how are they different from RedHat? or any of the other open source distro's that have paid featureful versions, and unsupported outdated free versions? [02:34] It'd be really hared for them to implement that without linking to some GPL library [02:35] quentusrex, Red Hat makes all the source for the paid versions freely available [02:35] a centOS system is identical to a RHEL system [02:36] besides the branding [02:36] Here's a presentation on it http://en.oreilly.com/oscon2008/public/schedule/detail/3461 there it says is proprietary license, the server [02:58] anyone have a successful dist-upgrade from hardy [03:03] I didn't [03:03] The nvidia-glx-96 drivers didn't work with the new xorg [03:03] and I couldn't get nv to work [03:04] so I did a fresh install and everything was cool, aside from being forced to use nv or nouveau [03:06] ionstorm: I kind of did, if only for bug # 121111 reappearing [03:06] it was an easy fix though [03:06] bug #121111 [03:06] Launchpad bug 121111 in linux "Ibex alpha 2 won't load on Dell Inspiron 1501" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/121111 [03:07] im about to reboot and try this [03:07] lol [03:08] !log > alex_mayorga [03:08] alex_mayorga, please see my private message === LSD|Ninj1 is now known as LSD|Ninja [04:03] Here's something interesting: HP Remote Graphics. http://h20331.www2.hp.com/hpsub/cache/286504-0-0-225-121.html [04:03] Not free, though. :( [04:38] Hmm, when looking about my library, each algum is duplicateda bunch of times [04:38] but you can only click on and play one copy of it === defcon is now known as Guest52148 === Guest52148 is now known as ionstorm [04:45] w00t intrepid works great [04:45] lol [04:45] I like the new network manager [04:46] I'd like it more if the system settings checkbox worked... [04:47] yea... [04:47] I know [04:47] first thing I noticed [05:15] heh, nvidia-detector gives nothing for GeForce 420 Go. [05:32] is it just me or is firefox messed up ? no back button, url's not showing in location bar and probably a few other things I have not seen yet [05:33] only thing working is the Home button but that takes me to the Firefox/Google home which is not my default [05:33] :/ [05:40] IdleOne: it's just you, i think. [05:40] Hobbsee, lol :) you are not serioud are you? [05:40] IdleOne: well, i don't see it. [05:41] might be a theme thing. no idea. [05:41] Hobbsee, I did see a bug report but it was marked invalid [05:41] why was it marked inavlid? [05:41] unable to reproduce? [05:41] not enough info I believe [05:41] or yeah unable to reproduce perhaps [05:41] let me look it up again' [05:42] Hobbsee, https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/252158 [05:42] Launchpad bug 252158 in firefox-3.0 "URL BAR doesnt works on Firefox 3.0.1" [Undecided,New] [05:43] oh yeah, does it also happen with a new profile? [05:43] the one just beneath that sorry [05:43] not sure [05:43] check it. [05:43] hmm how do i make a new profile again? [05:44] firefox -P [05:44] ahhh well then [05:44] that seems to have fixed it [05:45] right, so it is a theme or extension problem. [05:45] yeah could be [05:45] use a process of elimination, and then contact whoever's responsible for the buggy theme. [05:45] well my theme on the old profile was default [05:45] ditto for that bug. [05:46] may well be an extension, then. [05:46] i've seen themes fubar it, but extensions can too [05:46] going to reinstall extensions one at a time and see [05:46] you should just be able to disable them, and restart firefox to check, which may be quicker [05:47] Oh hey, how do I reset the panel layout to default? [05:47] um, delete whichever file has info about the panel? [05:49] Hobbsee, the new profile only shows the default ubuntu addon [05:49] IdleOne: i meant from your existing profile. but this is correct. [05:50] Okay, so it's not .gconf. [05:51] Hobbsee, ahh I see [05:51] ok will do [05:54] Lovely sound card name: I82801CAICH3 [05:54] Try saying THAT very quickly. [05:54] ... and try not to spit. [05:54] =þ [05:55] Spelling it out doesn't count. [05:59] Ugh, my ipw2200 card seems to be multiplying. [06:00] Now my persistent-net udev rule file has 3 MAC address entries: (will put all on one line) [06:00] er, two that are different; third is from eth->wlan change. [06:04] One is 00:0e:35:34:8a:ff, the other is 30:30:3a:30:65:3a. [06:04] 30:30 isn't even valid. =þ === DanaG1 is now known as DanaG [06:19] Argh, one PC won't see the other on PulseAudio... yet ssh works fine. [06:21] What's up with that? [06:26] Oh... I had checked "allow access" and unchecked "show networked". [06:35] Oh yeah, does nv support suspend? [06:36] if nv doesn't, then I'm switching that laptop to nouveau. [06:36] nouveau has nothing to seperate it from nv just yet, wait until nouveau actually get 3D working in some kind of usable fashion [06:37] Well, gnome-pane is for some reason devouring my CPU time on that laptop, that's now using nv due to broken 71.xx drivers. [06:37]