[00:49] <TheLouis> how do i set up a shared printer?
[03:50] <DNihilist> Hey all. I'm installing the Hard Heron Live Cd and getting a "errno 5 input/output error" half way through the installation process
[04:07] <crimsun> do you have the installer log?
[04:08] <DNihilist> installer log?
[04:10] <crimsun> /var/log/syslog and /var/log/partman
[04:10] <crimsun> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingUbiquity/AttachingLogs
[04:13] <DNihilist> checking...
[04:15] <DNihilist> well I dont have an install
[04:15] <DNihilist> I'm running the terminal in the live cd without installing it
[04:15] <DNihilist> i tried sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[04:20] <DNihilist> iis there no way to install from terminal. say If I booted gparted and installed from there?
[04:21] <crimsun> you can try that, but I recommend you try the alternate installer in that case.
[04:21] <DNihilist> i have and that install crashed too
[04:21] <DNihilist> I think it's my archaic cd drive
[04:23] <crimsun> ok, I guess you can go the minimal approach.  Take a server CD and install minimal.  Log in, install xubuntu-desktop
[04:23] <crimsun> (assuming you want Xubuntu, because after all, you're in this channel...)
[04:24] <DNihilist> i think I do
[04:24] <DNihilist> not that it really matter
[04:24] <DNihilist> gnome isn't much different is it?
[04:24] <DNihilist> so the server cd is xubuntu w/o the desktop?
[04:25] <DNihilist> also can I install the server in terminal. I'm out of CD's until I go to work
[04:30] <crimsun> no, the server cd is just server
[04:30] <crimsun> it does not install a graphical environment at all
[04:30] <crimsun> that's why you'll need to log in and install xubuntu-desktop
[04:31] <DNihilist> i see
[04:32] <DNihilist> I can also install from a usb just as easily correct? i'll change my boot
[04:32] <crimsun> install from/to, yes
[04:32] <DNihilist> thanks for all the help! Hopefully you wont be hearing from me
[06:03] <lostogre> Hello?
[07:38] <Odd-rationale> hey cody-somerville_ are you around?
[07:39] <Odd-rationale> cody-somerville_: does that bug that causes xfce to hang on startup have a Launchpad # ?
[07:39] <Odd-rationale> Doing some GBJ stuff... 8)
[16:07] <GourdCaptain> Uh, does anyone know of a good 802.11G card for 8.04 that doesn't need ndiswrapper and can use WPA?
[16:07] <GourdCaptain> PCI preferably - USB could work.
[16:08] <wols_> atheros based ones, intel based ones
[16:08] <GourdCaptain> Any specific models?
[16:11] <GourdCaptain> I see that Atheros makes chipsets. Where could I find a list of cards based off those chipsets?
[16:16] <GourdCaptain> *Sigh*
[16:26] <wols_> madwifi.org
[16:54] <jvin248> GourdCaptain, if you're not completely checked out, or others looking for the same...  See list on http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=336&order=desc&page=3   I've had good luck with the Digicom USB Wave 54, although it doesn't show signal strength correctly everything else works ok.
[17:21] <jvin248> anyone had success installing and booting xubuntu from USB Flash drive?
[17:21] <jvin248> Any pointers or http:// links to a good recipe?  Not pendrivelinux as that is a compressed image (I want a faster "native HDD" type install).
[17:23] <hansengel> Hi, does anyone know of a good guide for installing MacMenu with XFCE? I'm lost :S
[17:53] <TheSheep> hansengel: you mean something like http://code.google.com/p/gnome2-globalmenu/wiki/InstallingonUbuntu ?
[17:53] <TheSheep> hansengel: but I never tried it
[17:53] <hansengel> TheSheep: Yeah, but that's for Gnome
[17:54] <TheSheep> hansengel: well, just use the panel applet with the xfce panel plugin that lets you use gnome applets
[17:56] <TheSheep> xfce4-xfapplet-plugin
[17:57] <hansengel> oh, cool! so I can use gnome applets with xfce-panel if I install that?
[17:59] <TheSheep> yes
[17:59] <hansengel> k, I'll try it out
[18:08] <Woo> Hiya. I formated this partition from NTFS to ext3. I mounted it, but I can't write to it. What is wrong?
[18:09] <TheSheep> Woo: what's the error message?
[18:09] <Woo> There is none. It is just in white if I want to e.g create a folder.
[18:10] <wols_> what are the perms of the mountpoint?
[18:10] <TheSheep> Woo: what is the error message when you try to write to in terminal?
[18:11] <Woo> I have not tried to do anything in the terminal
[18:12] <Woo> I initiated a restart now
[18:15] <Woo> Nope
[18:15] <Woo> I don't think I have the permissions to write to it
[18:16] <wols_> Woo: I asked you something
[18:16] <Woo> Oh, I don't know. How do I see it?
[18:16] <wols_> !permissions | Woo
[18:18] <Woo> rw nosuid nodev realtime data = ordered
[18:20] <Woo> I managed to get the properties by right clicking it from the wallpaper, if I did it through places it went to browse it
[18:21] <Woo> So how do I fix it?
[18:24] <wols_> Woo: those aren't permissions
[18:25] <PsynoKhi0> Greetings
[18:26] <PsynoKhi0> when changing the console keymap in /etc/default/console-setup, should I delete the md5 string?
[18:28] <Woo> It sais it can't be determined
[18:29] <raut> i have a laptop with  wireless drivers, and a wireless router but I dont know how to get the router to recognize the laptop, could someone help me out?
[18:29] <Woo> says*
[18:30] <Hondo_Kitsune> Ok ,i have just installed Xubuntu from ubuntuserver and the graphics are a mess, I can hardly see a thing. how can I fix this. Xorg.conf yilded no information.
[18:30] <raut> did  you install your proper graphics card drivers?
[18:31] <Hondo_Kitsune> How can i do that from recovery console?
[18:32] <Woo> raut what happens if click the left button and hold it?
[18:32] <raut> you mean my mouse Woo?
[18:33] <Woo> yes
[18:33] <raut> and on what window?
[18:33] <raut> hm, seems i need to setup a wireless network...\
[18:34] <Woo> yeah you should see a list of the accessible
[18:34] <PsynoKhi0> Hondo_Kitsune: lspci | grep VGA && grep Driver /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[18:35] <Hondo_Kitsune> Ok, trying
[18:35] <Hondo_Kitsune> rebooting
[18:35] <Woo> wols_: What do I do? It says the permissions could not be determined.
[18:35] <PsynoKhi0> Hondo_Kitsune: do you have a Driver string in xorg.conf that somehow matches your VGA output from lspci?
[18:36] <Hondo_Kitsune> It is rebooting I will tell you in a second
[18:36] <PsynoKhi0> ok
[18:36] <Hondo_Kitsune> It did not work
[18:36] <Hondo_Kitsune> the graphics are still garbled
[18:36] <raut> i see 'hpservice'
[18:36] <raut> would that be someone elses network, or could it be my router?
[18:37] <PsynoKhi0> Hondo_Kitsune: the command I gave should only give info, it doesn't modify anything
[18:37] <Hondo_Kitsune> well, nothing spat out. I got returned to the terminal
[18:37] <PsynoKhi0> lspci | grep VGA <- that's to find out what your gfx card is
[18:38] <PsynoKhi0> or at least what Xubuntu sees
[18:38] <Hondo_Kitsune> I did type that
[18:38] <Hondo_Kitsune> nothing
[18:38] <wols_> Hondo_Kitsune: lspci -nn
[18:38] <Hondo_Kitsune> kk
[18:38] <wols_> pastebin the output
[18:38] <Hondo_Kitsune> just type that
[18:38] <Woo> i tried to put root as a mount option
[18:38] <Woo> and i had auto mount enabled
[18:38] <wols_> Woo: that is unpossible. every file has permissions associated. every single one
[18:39] <Hondo_Kitsune> Paste bin, this is on another computer! if the output is large enough to warrent a pastebin, then this may take a while.
[18:39] <Woo> now it just gives me this error it can't mount with this mount option
[18:39] <Woo> i'm stuck
[18:39] <PsynoKhi0> Hondo_Kitsune: does lspci return anything at all?
[18:39] <Hondo_Kitsune> yes, it filled the screen
[18:39] <Hondo_Kitsune> it is a VIA Chrome9
[18:40] <PsynoKhi0> is there any line starting with "VGA compatible controller"?
[18:40] <PsynoKhi0> ok
[18:40] <Hondo_Kitsune> that is what is filed under "VGA Compatible controller"
[18:40] <PsynoKhi0> great
[18:40] <wols_> Woo: don't use an automounter. edit your /etc/fstab instead
[18:40] <Woo> My what?
[18:41] <wols_> your /etc/fstab
[18:41] <Woo> right... how do i do that?
[18:41] <wols_> Hondo_Kitsune: driver is eithe via or vesa. both should hopefully work
[18:41] <wols_> Woo: by using an editor?
[18:41] <Hondo_Kitsune> how do i apt-get them?
[18:41] <wols_> Hondo_Kitsune: you don't since you already have them
[18:42] <Woo> do you have something i can paste in the terminal then?
[18:42] <Hondo_Kitsune> well, I obviously DONT
[18:42] <wols_> Woo: yes. man fstab
[18:42] <wols_> Hondo_Kitsune: dpkg -l |grep xserver-xorg-video-vesa
[18:42] <Hondo_Kitsune> because the graphics are garbled to no end
[18:43] <Woo> ok now i have a manual for something up, what next?
[18:43] <wols_> Hondo_Kitsune: if you have xubuntu installed with a X server you have them both. end of it
[18:43] <wols_> Woo: no you start to read?
[18:43] <PsynoKhi0> wols_: I'd go for openchrome
[18:43] <wols_> PsynoKhi0: is that in xubuntu?
[18:43] <Hondo_Kitsune> graphics are garbled with vesa
[18:43] <wols_> PsynoKhi0: if not, YOU tell him how to install it. good luck
[18:43] <PsynoKhi0> wols_: I've just done a grep on video
[18:44] <PsynoKhi0> should be there
[18:44] <wols_> PsynoKhi0: ok, didn't see it in my apt-cache at first. you're right. openchrome looks better suited
[18:44] <Woo> i think this sucks. in windows you open computer managment, go to disk managment, format it and then you are done. it works without problems.
[18:44] <Woo> i don't need a manual for it
[18:44] <Hondo_Kitsune> Graphics are garbled with VIA too
[18:44] <wols_> Woo: then have fun running windows. have a nice day
[18:45] <PsynoKhi0> Hondo_Kitsune: sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-openchrome
[18:45] <Hondo_Kitsune> already installed
[18:45] <wols_> of course it is
[18:45] <PsynoKhi0> if it tells you it's there, sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[18:45] <PsynoKhi0> patience!!! :P
[18:45] <Woo> well windows is much more user friendly.
[18:46] <Hondo_Kitsune> Garbled with openchrome
[18:46] <Woo> sometimes linux just doesn't boot with no helpful advice except something with busybox.
[18:46] <PsynoKhi0> Hondo_Kitsune: do you have it as your driver in xorg.conf?
[18:46] <wols_> Woo: do you have a support question? cause this is no "whine about xubuntu" channel...
[18:47] <Hondo_Kitsune> xorg.conf mentions nothing about drivers anywhere in ti
[18:47] <PsynoKhi0> Hondo_Kitsune: then let's edit it
[18:47] <Hondo_Kitsune> kk
[18:47] <Hondo_Kitsune> /etc/X11/xorg.conf yeah?
[18:47] <PsynoKhi0> yes
[18:48] <Hondo_Kitsune> kk
[18:48] <Hondo_Kitsune> right shoot.
[18:48] <Woo> well if you don't take criticism of your os it won't improve.
[18:48] <PsynoKhi0> go down to Section "Device"
[18:48] <Woo> i have also spoken to some developer here once about stuff like that, we mostly agreed.
[18:48] <PsynoKhi0> Woo: cristicism is appreciated if constructive
[18:48] <Hondo_Kitsune> kk
[18:48] <Woo> it is constructive.
[18:49] <PsynoKhi0> Hondo_Kitsune: do you have a live with Identifier "Configured Video Device"?
[18:49] <Hondo_Kitsune> in "Screen"
[18:49] <PsynoKhi0> live = line
[18:49] <Woo> basically it sucks to an unskilled user, and is something that can be improved.
[18:49] <Hondo_Kitsune> not in "Device"
[18:49] <wols_> Woo: then start. xubuntu is a community effort
[18:50] <Woo> i don't know anything about programming. i just want something that works.
[18:50] <PsynoKhi0> Woo: yeah now THAT was constructive... "it sucks"
[18:51] <PsynoKhi0> Hondo_Kitsune: what do you have under "Devcie" then?
[18:51] <PsynoKhi0> Device*
[18:51] <Woo> yes. i could say it in other words of course, but that sums it up better.
[18:51] <Hondo_Kitsune> Identifier "Configured Video Device"
[18:52] <PsynoKhi0> Hondo_Kitsune: ok, right under it, before the EndSection, add the following:
[18:52] <PsynoKhi0> Driver "openchrome"
[18:52] <PsynoKhi0> then save and quit (ctrl + X, answer Yes)
[18:52] <Hondo_Kitsune> garbled
[18:53] <PsynoKhi0> wait...
[18:53] <PsynoKhi0> restart your X server with ctrl + alt + backaspace
[18:53] <PsynoKhi0> backspace*
[18:53] <Hondo_Kitsune> XServer is not running
[18:53] <PsynoKhi0> ghe hell...
[18:53] <Hondo_Kitsune> We are in the terminal
[18:53] <Hondo_Kitsune> not X, cant use X
[18:53] <Hondo_Kitsune> it is a garbled mess
[18:53] <Hondo_Kitsune> we are using root recovery
[18:54] <PsynoKhi0> how are thigns garbled in console o.O
[18:54] <Hondo_Kitsune> n ot in the console
[18:54] <Hondo_Kitsune> we are using text interface
[18:56] <PsynoKhi0> with something like [root@computer ~]#
[18:56] <Hondo_Kitsune> yeah
[18:57] <PsynoKhi0> ok, console :)
[18:57] <Hondo_Kitsune> root@sushi:~
[18:57] <PsynoKhi0> how is it garbles then, like, cyrillic symbols on your directory names?
[18:57] <Hondo_Kitsune> Nonono
[18:57] <Hondo_Kitsune> the console is fine
[18:57] <Hondo_Kitsune> X is garbled
[18:59] <PsynoKhi0> too low a resolution? pixel mess?
[18:59] <Hondo_Kitsune> nore of a jagged look
[18:59] <Hondo_Kitsune> stepped
[18:59] <PsynoKhi0> image waving on the sides?
[18:59] <Hondo_Kitsune> no the whole thing is jagged and stepped
[19:00] <TheSheep> Hondo_Kitsune: enable font antialiasing in user interface settings
[19:00] <Hondo_Kitsune> Cant get into X to sort that
[19:00] <Hondo_Kitsune> Cant see anything in X properly
[19:00] <PsynoKhi0> Hondo_Kitsune: reboot first
[19:00] <Hondo_Kitsune> stuck in root console in recovery mode
[19:00] <PsynoKhi0> just type reboot
[19:00] <Hondo_Kitsune> kk
[19:00] <TheSheep> Hondo_Kitsune: if that's an LCD screen, make sure you are using its native resolution
[19:01] <Hondo_Kitsune> how do i do that from console?
[19:01] <TheSheep> Hondo_Kitsune: good question
[19:02] <Hondo_Kitsune> told you, X is defunct. I cant see anything in X properly the display is *** ed
[19:02] <Hondo_Kitsune> Output in reboot is garbled
[19:02] <Hondo_Kitsune> rebooting again into root console again
[19:02] <PsynoKhi0> no need
[19:03] <PsynoKhi0> press alt ctrl F1 at login screen
[19:03] <Hondo_Kitsune> which puts me into console. thing is, this is a friends comp, and I dont have his password
[19:03] <Hondo_Kitsune> i have to do everything from root
[19:03] <PsynoKhi0> ah...
[19:03] <Hondo_Kitsune> Ok, i am bak in root shell prompt
[19:04] <PsynoKhi0> does the Xubuntu logo while loading display ok?
[19:04] <PsynoKhi0> during normal boot
[19:04] <Hondo_Kitsune> yes
[19:04] <Hondo_Kitsune> but X11 is screwed
[19:04] <PsynoKhi0> kk
[19:05] <PsynoKhi0> it is your freind's monitor too?
[19:05] <PsynoKhi0> friend*
[19:05] <Hondo_Kitsune> So, my theory is a problem with Xorg
[19:05] <Hondo_Kitsune> it is, he uses it on his Mac and it works fine
[19:05] <PsynoKhi0> TheSheep: isn't there like a X -video-config command?
[19:06] <PsynoKhi0> Hondo_Kitsune: we'll edit your xorg.conf again
[19:06] <Hondo_Kitsune> right, in nano
[19:07] <PsynoKhi0> yep
[19:07] <Hondo_Kitsune> rwady to go
[19:07] <PsynoKhi0> what kind of monitor is it?
[19:07] <Hondo_Kitsune> LCD widescreen
[19:07] <PsynoKhi0> fairly recent model then
[19:07] <Hondo_Kitsune> it is a Bel'nea
[19:08] <PsynoKhi0> scroll down to the Section "Monitor"
[19:08] <Hondo_Kitsune> but it works in the Mac fine
[19:08] <PsynoKhi0> do you have the model name?
[19:08] <Hondo_Kitsune> not yet
[19:08] <PsynoKhi0> I mean, on the front of the monitor, isn't there some product code string thingy?
[19:08] <Hondo_Kitsune> all i know is that it is a belinea
[19:08] <Hondo_Kitsune> nope
[19:08] <PsynoKhi0> darn
[19:09] <Hondo_Kitsune> 2230 S1W
[19:09] <PsynoKhi0> ah
[19:09] <Hondo_Kitsune> it was on the back
[19:09] <PsynoKhi0> ty
[19:09] <Hondo_Kitsune> it is aa 1680x1050W
[19:13] <PsynoKhi0> Hondo_Kitsune: are you at Section "Monitor"?
[19:15] <Hondo_Kitsune> yes
[19:15] <Hondo_Kitsune> All that is in it is "identifier ..."
[19:16] <PsynoKhi0> Hondo_Kitsune: ok add the following
[19:16] <Hondo_Kitsune> shoot
[19:16] <PsynoKhi0> Option "DPMS"
[19:17] <Hondo_Kitsune> that it?
[19:17] <PsynoKhi0> VertRefresh 60 - 60
[19:17] <Hondo_Kitsune> that on a new line?
[19:17] <PsynoKhi0> those 2 lines under each other
[19:17] <Hondo_Kitsune> ok
[19:17] <PsynoKhi0> eeep scre the sapces actually
[19:17] <Hondo_Kitsune> save and startx
[19:17] <PsynoKhi0> screw*
[19:17] <PsynoKhi0> so
[19:17] <PsynoKhi0> VertRefresh 60-60
[19:17] <Hondo_Kitsune> kk
[19:18] <Hondo_Kitsune> save and "startx"?
[19:18] <PsynoKhi0> ok now, Section "Screen"
[19:18] <Hondo_Kitsune> kk
[19:18] <PsynoKhi0> if it ain't there, add:
[19:18] <PsynoKhi0> DefaultDepth 16
[19:19] <Hondo_Kitsune> k
[19:19] <PsynoKhi0> do you have any SubSection "Display"
[19:20] <Hondo_Kitsune> no
[19:20] <PsynoKhi0> nothing under Section "Screen"?
[19:20] <Hondo_Kitsune> dont have Subsection under screen, no
[19:21] <PsynoKhi0> ok
[19:21] <PsynoKhi0> let's add the following then:
[19:21] <Hondo_Kitsune> kk
[19:21] <PsynoKhi0> SubSection "Display"
[19:21] <PsynoKhi0> Depth "16"
[19:22] <Hondo_Kitsune> kk
[19:22] <Hondo_Kitsune> Endsubsection?
[19:22] <PsynoKhi0> Modes "1680x1050"
[19:22] <PsynoKhi0> EndSubSection
[19:22] <PsynoKhi0> make sure you have capital letters where indicated
[19:22] <Hondo_Kitsune> kk
[19:23] <TheSheep> PsynoKhi0: xorg.conf is not case-sensitive
[19:23] <Hondo_Kitsune> save and startx?
[19:23] <PsynoKhi0> TheSheep: well you learn something new everyday :)
[19:23] <PsynoKhi0> Hondo_Kitsune: yes
[19:23] <Hondo_Kitsune> Fatal error, no screens found
[19:24] <PsynoKhi0> uh?
[19:24] <Hondo_Kitsune> PArse error on line 49, "Display keyword requires a number to follow it"
[19:24] <Hondo_Kitsune> in section "Screen"
[19:25] <PsynoKhi0> AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH
[19:25] <PsynoKhi0> my bad
[19:25] <Hondo_Kitsune> :P
[19:25] <PsynoKhi0> I typed Depth "16"... there shouldn't eb quotes
[19:25] <PsynoKhi0> Depth 16
[19:25] <PsynoKhi0> sowwy
[19:25] <Hondo_Kitsune> kk
[19:26] <Hondo_Kitsune> Display is still garbled, but more "in line"
[19:26] <Hondo_Kitsune> like interlacing is turned on
[19:26] <Hondo_Kitsune> but not lined up
[19:26] <PsynoKhi0> tough cookie!!!
[19:26] <Hondo_Kitsune> no, not a cookie, Xorg
[19:27] <PsynoKhi0> ok, before VertRefresh
[19:27] <PsynoKhi0> add
[19:27] <PsynoKhi0> HorizSync 30-81
[19:28] <Hondo_Kitsune> still garbled crap :P
[19:28] <PsynoKhi0> that *should* be in the range of your monitor
[19:28] <Hondo_Kitsune> but is starts faster :P
[19:28] <PsynoKhi0> ffs
[19:29] <Hondo_Kitsune> i know
[19:29] <PsynoKhi0> VertRefresh 60-75
[19:30] <Hondo_Kitsune> Still garbled
[19:30] <PsynoKhi0> are you sure the chrome chipset can run wide screen?
[19:30] <Hondo_Kitsune> most modern ones can
[19:30] <Hondo_Kitsune> the monitor is reporting 1680x1050 @ 60Hz
[19:30] <PsynoKhi0> do you have a standard CRT or 2:3 LCD you could try?
[19:31] <Hondo_Kitsune> afaid not
[19:31] <PsynoKhi0> shoot
[19:32] <Hondo_Kitsune> can we try installing VNC to get into XFCE?
[19:32] <Hondo_Kitsune> so we have a GUI to play with
[19:32] <Hondo_Kitsune> it is a server, so the chances are that is how it will be accessed anyway
[19:32] <Hondo_Kitsune> this is our failsafe. how do we uninstall X and leave xubuntu untouched and not trying to boot it on startup
[19:33] <PsynoKhi0> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=825858 hmm does that look familiar?
[19:33]  * Hondo_Kitsune looks
[19:33] <Hondo_Kitsune> a bit like that, but worse
[19:34] <Hondo_Kitsune> I'd take a picture, but I dont have my camera with me
[19:34] <PsynoKhi0> ok, then... instead of Driver "openchrome" ->  Driver "vesa"
[19:34] <Hondo_Kitsune> ok hold on
[19:34] <Hondo_Kitsune> IT LIVES!
[19:34] <PsynoKhi0> :D
[19:35] <Hondo_Kitsune> THank you *Tackle hug*
[19:35] <PsynoKhi0> np
[19:35] <Hondo_Kitsune> we have a console
[19:35] <PsynoKhi0> you won't ebenfit from viedoe acceleration to watch movies nor 3d but...
[19:35] <Hondo_Kitsune> we dont need that
[19:35] <Hondo_Kitsune> it is a server :P
[19:35] <Hondo_Kitsune> Thank you
[19:35] <PsynoKhi0> sigh... I try again, in English
[19:36] <PsynoKhi0> you won't benefit from video acceleration to watch movies nor 3d but...
[19:36] <Hondo_Kitsune> IT is ok. we dont need acceleration
[19:36] <PsynoKhi0> nice then, enjoy your box :)
[19:36] <Hondo_Kitsune> I could kiss you, but that would be a bit gay :P
[19:36] <PsynoKhi0> uh definitely...
[19:37] <PsynoKhi0> so it seems the chorme driver has issues with wide screen...
[19:37] <PsynoKhi0> chrome*
[19:37] <Hondo_Kitsune> yahah
[19:39] <Hondo_Kitsune> *hugs again*
[19:39] <PsynoKhi0> hehe
[19:39] <PsynoKhi0> *hugs google*
[19:39] <PsynoKhi0> :P
[19:40] <PsynoKhi0> TheSheep: are you around?
[19:40] <TheSheep> PsynoKhi0: yes
[19:41] <PsynoKhi0> TheSheep: when chenging the console keymap in /etc/default/console-setup, am I suppoed to delete the MD5 string in the file? the cimmented text  felt a bit cryptic
[19:41] <PsynoKhi0> changing*
[19:41] <PsynoKhi0> WTB typing skills...
[19:42] <TheSheep> PsynoKhi0: it says to not touch it
[19:42] <TheSheep> PsynoKhi0: and it's "aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa" on my system
[19:42] <PsynoKhi0> it does?
[19:42] <PsynoKhi0> uh
[19:47] <PsynoKhi0> ok thanks
[19:50] <PsynoKhi0> computer hangs randomly in Hardy when sound module is loaded (Sound Blaster 32 AWE ISA PnP), any taker?
[19:56] <TheSheep> PsynoKhi0: maybe try on #alsa
[19:56] <TheSheep> PsynoKhi0: it sounds like something low-level
[19:56] <PsynoKhi0> TheSheep: ok thanks I will
[20:48] <PsynoKhi0> #alsa is darn silent for a sound related chan...
[20:50] <TheSheep> PsynoKhi0: well, it's Sunday evening...
[20:50] <PsynoKhi0> and everyone's watching the olympics...
[20:50] <PsynoKhi0> :)
[21:27] <RabidLockerGnome> Hey guys, having a problem getting compiz to work, compiz-check says everything is okay though
[21:27] <RabidLockerGnome> ati radeon using fglrx
[21:28] <PsynoKhi0> is your 3d wroking otherwise?
[21:28] <PsynoKhi0> working*
[21:28] <RabidLockerGnome> haven't tried anything else yet
[21:28] <PsynoKhi0> I'd start with that
[21:28] <PsynoKhi0> glxinfo | grep direct
[21:29] <PsynoKhi0> you might have to install a package though
[21:29] <PsynoKhi0> mesa-utils or something like that
[21:30] <RabidLockerGnom_> eh, well, it seems running glx gears just froze the system
[21:31] <PsynoKhi0> glxinfo | grep Vendor
[21:31] <PsynoKhi0> I htink
[21:31] <PsynoKhi0> thin*
[21:32] <PsynoKhi0> ...
[21:32] <RabidLockerGnome> SGI
[21:32] <PsynoKhi0> should be ATI
[21:32] <RabidLockerGnome> wait
[21:32] <RabidLockerGnome> ATI Technologies Inc.
[21:32] <PsynoKhi0> ah
[21:32] <RabidLockerGnome> it seems to be set up correctly, i dont know why it's dying :-\
[21:32] <PsynoKhi0> glxinfo | grep Direct
[21:33] <RabidLockerGnome> Yes
[21:33] <The-Kernel> what's the -rt kernel for?
[21:33] <TheSheep> The-Kernel: real time kernel, for time-sensitive uses
[21:34] <TheSheep> The-Kernel: like sound and video editing/recording
[21:34] <The-Kernel> what if I do a lot of virtualization
[21:34] <PsynoKhi0> RabidLockerGnome: hmm... have you run aticonfig --initial -f from a console?
[21:34] <The-Kernel> I use VirtualBox a lot
[21:34] <TheSheep> The-Kernel: no :)
[21:34] <The-Kernel> should I also use the virtual kernel?
[21:35] <RabidLockerGnome> PsynoKhi0, no, let me run it though. im pretty sure it should do it when enabling the driver
[21:35] <PsynoKhi0> RabidLockerGnome: close everything you have running first
[21:35] <RabidLockerGnome> did
[21:35] <PsynoKhi0> and log out of your session
[21:35] <RabidLockerGnome> do i need to remove the Load "glx" module?
[21:35] <RabidLockerGnome> i cant remember
[21:36] <PsynoKhi0> nvm that for now
[21:36] <RabidLockerGnome> alright lemme retry this thing now. it looked configured before, but i'll test it anyway
[21:36] <RabidLockerGnome> brb
[21:39] <RabidLockerGnome> PsynoKhi0, failure again
[21:39] <RabidLockerGnome> doesnt just fail, it locks up :-( wtf
[21:39] <PsynoKhi0> did the aticonfig work?
[21:39] <RabidLockerGnome> well yeah
[21:40] <PsynoKhi0> no warning message, nothing asking you to run as root or anything?
[21:40] <RabidLockerGnome> well i ran it as sudo
[21:40] <PsynoKhi0> ok
[21:40] <PsynoKhi0> what card is it?
[21:41] <RabidLockerGnome> ati radeon 9600
[21:42] <RabidLockerGnome> have used it with compiz and other 3d before, so its weird
[21:45] <PsynoKhi0> http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Ubuntu_Hardy_Installation_Guide#Method_2:_Manual_Method_.28installing_Catalyst_8.7.29 have you done anything of this at all?
[21:45] <RabidLockerGnome> didn't have to
[21:46] <RabidLockerGnome> used ubuntu's restricted driver manager
[21:47] <PsynoKhi0> ok this one then http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Ubuntu_Hardy_Installation_Guide#Method_1:_Install_the_driver_the_Ubuntu_Way
[21:48] <MeanderingCode> I need to fix alsa so more than one program can use sound...this has become a huge issue
[21:48] <MeanderingCode> I always get "device or resource busy"
[21:48] <TheSheep> MeanderingCode: use dmix
[21:49] <PsynoKhi0> RabidLockerGnome: how do your Software Sources look like?
[21:49] <RabidLockerGnome> hmm PsynoKhi0 lemme try some of the Device tweaks and then report back
[21:49] <RabidLockerGnome> software sources are same as from installed
[21:49] <RabidLockerGnome> i just installed this puppy like an hour ago
[21:49] <TheSheep> MeanderingCode: http://alsa.opensrc.org/home/w/org/opensrc/alsa/index.php?title=DmixPlugin
[21:49] <PsynoKhi0> RabidLockerGnome: have a look at them too
[21:49] <TheSheep> MeanderingCode: look unde 'the simple approach'
[21:49] <RabidLockerGnome> everythings normal
[21:50] <PsynoKhi0> RabidLockerGnome: "normal" is subjective
[21:50] <RabidLockerGnome> i can always try to enable the proposed or backports
[21:50] <RabidLockerGnome> but for now, i'll try this, brb
[21:50] <PsynoKhi0> main, extra, universe, multiverse on the first tab?
[21:50] <MeanderingCode> TheSheep: looking now
[21:50] <RabidLockerGnome> yes, PsynoKhi0
[21:51] <PsynoKhi0> RabidLockerGnome: proposed and backports are more likely to mess up your installation even more IMO
[21:51] <RabidLockerGnome> true true, but brb
[21:55] <RabidLockerGnome> Hey that was awesome! restarted, then ran compiz, and my computer restarted :-)
[21:56] <RabidLockerGnome> PsynoKhi0, definitely not the desired result :-P
[21:56] <PsynoKhi0> nope
[21:57] <PsynoKhi0> gets kinda hard, not knowing exactly what you did
[21:58] <PsynoKhi0> anyway... let's try to following
[21:58] <PsynoKhi0> grep Driver /etc/X1/xorg.conf
[21:58] <PsynoKhi0> oops
[21:58] <PsynoKhi0> grep Driver /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[21:58] <PsynoKhi0> is fglrx in there?
[21:58] <RabidLockerGnome> yup
[21:59] <PsynoKhi0> stupid of me, glxinfo said so...
[21:59] <MeanderingCode> TheSheep: I'm using pulseaudio, my .asoundrc is pretty basic: http://pastebin.com/d6b1ec1d5
[21:59] <PsynoKhi0> grep EE /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[22:00] <RabidLockerGnome> PsynoKhi0, http://pastebin.com/m5d0dba07
[22:00] <MeanderingCode> TheSheep: so my question is how to integrate the simple or the complex approach with pulseaudio using dmix and the rest of everything using pulseaudio
[22:00] <RabidLockerGnome> nope, no errors in the Xorg log
[22:01] <MeanderingCode> TheSheep: Using pulseaudio had solved this problem for me, but if I have to restart it at any point, it won't start again (because the device or resource is busy :)
[22:01] <MeanderingCode> TheSheep: wait....slave.pcm?
[22:04] <RabidLockerGnome> see, it's weird, everything is set up correctly, yet FAIL
[22:05] <PsynoKhi0> RabidLockerGnome: AGP card?
[22:05] <RabidLockerGnome> yes
[22:06] <RabidLockerGnome> are there AGP issues now?
[22:06] <PsynoKhi0> RabidLockerGnome: hang on, I'll brb
[22:07] <RabidLockerGnome> k
[22:08] <TheSheep> MeanderingCode: I've given up on pulseaudio after a while, so I cannot really help here, I used dmix and it worked, so...
[22:09] <qwertzo> hi
[22:09] <qwertzo> I would like to remove some entries from my "Application" menu
[22:09] <qwertzo> can someone assist me?
[22:10] <TheSheep> qwertzo: System -> Synaptic Package Manager
[22:10] <TheSheep> qwertzo: you can install and uninstall applications with it
[22:10] <qwertzo> I know
[22:10] <qwertzo> those entires are left from wine software that I already uninstalled through wine
[22:10] <TheSheep> qwertzo: ah, it's in ~/.local/share/wine
[22:11] <TheSheep> qwertzo: ah, it's in ~/.local/share/applications/wine, sorry
[22:11] <qwertzo> ok, I have that directory
[22:11] <qwertzo> do I need to remove the content I would like to get rid of?
[22:11] <TheSheep> yes
[22:12] <MeanderingCode> TheSheep: fair enough
[22:12] <MeanderingCode> :)
[22:12] <qwertzo> thx that did the trick :)
[22:15] <PsynoKhi0> ok let's see, I should have some useful xorg.conf here
[22:15] <PsynoKhi0> erm
[22:16] <PsynoKhi0> Rabid?
[22:16] <PsynoKhi0> :/
[22:24] <ricardofabia> Hi
[22:25] <ricardofabia> First timer.
[22:25] <ricardofabia> How do I use this?
[22:25] <qwertzo> define "this"
[22:25] <ricardofabia> IRC. sorry. :)
[22:25] <TheSheep> you are doing fine
[22:25] <ricardofabia> Well I guess I made it this far...
[22:26] <ricardofabia> As a matter of fact I came here in search for help
[22:26] <TheSheep> !ask
[22:27] <ricardofabia> Well, I have xubuntu installed in a Dell Dimension 2400, and the CDs won't automount (they don't show on desktop or Thunar). Is there a way to fix that?
[22:28] <qwertzo> all CDs. or does this apply to audio CDs - I ask coz I had that issue recently
[22:28] <TheSheep> ricardofabia: is automounting enabled in thunar edit->preferences->advanced->vlume manager settings?
[22:28] <ricardofabia> Audio CDs mostly
[22:28] <TheSheep> ricardofabia: ah, audio cds won't mount
[22:28] <ricardofabia> why?
[22:28] <TheSheep> ricardofabia: there is no filesystem on them
[22:28] <TheSheep> ricardofabia: you need some music player to play them
[22:28] <ricardofabia> ahn. And how can I get them to play automagically like ubuntu?
[22:28] <qwertzo> isn't there an ISO 9661 or something on them?
[22:28] <ricardofabia> I installed exaile
[22:29] <ricardofabia> but still no go
[22:29] <TheSheep> ricardofabia: you can set it in that volume manager settings
[22:29] <TheSheep> ricardofabia: you can get there either from thunar's settings, or from the setting manager
[22:29] <ricardofabia> I tried. It says that the location is not valid or something like that
[22:29] <TheSheep> ricardofabia: when exactly does it say this?
[22:29] <ricardofabia> let me try and give you more useful information
[22:31] <qwertzo> "﻿sound juicer" worked for me
[22:31] <TheSheep> qwertzo: that's for ripping
[22:31] <qwertzo> but it can also playback songs and it starts automatically when I insert a CD
[22:31] <TheSheep> cool
[22:32] <ricardofabia> when I place the CD in totem pops up and says "An error occurred Location not found"
[22:32] <qwertzo> that also happens for me even with video DVDs
[22:32] <TheSheep> ricardofabia: yes, change totem to exaile in volume manager settings, 'multimedia' tab
[22:33] <ricardofabia> there says "totem cdda:/" should I change to "exaile cdda:/"?
[22:34] <TheSheep> ricardofabia: exaile %d
[22:34] <TheSheep> ricardofabia: or: exaile /dev/cdrom
[22:34] <TheSheep> ricardofabia: I'm not sure how to tell exaile from the command line to play a cd
[22:34] <TheSheep> ricardofabia: if you run 'exaile --help' in terminal, it should tell you
[22:35] <qwertzo> isn't it /media/cdrom or is that the same?
[22:35] <TheSheep> qwertzo: gotcha
[22:35] <TheSheep> qwertzo: but that's the directory where it mounts to
[22:35] <TheSheep> qwertzo: and audio cds don't mount
[22:35] <TheSheep> qwertzo: /dev/cdrom is the device itself
[22:36] <ricardofabia> hmmm. There are two CD rom drives though. How can I make it play regardless of which one I use?
[22:36] <qwertzo> I have no device called /dev/cdrom
[22:36] <TheSheep> ricardofabia: in theory, if you put d% in there, it should get substituted with the path to the right cdrom
[22:37] <qwertzo> forget what I've sad, I have a device called /dev/cdrom
[22:37] <TheSheep> qwertzo: it should be a link
[22:38] <qwertzo> yup: /dev/cdrom -> scd0
[22:40] <qwertzo> farewell and thx for the help
[22:41] <ricardofabia> okay. Now it opens the CD. But I still have to click play. This is for my grandma and I would like it to play the CD automatically.
[22:45] <ricardofabia> Well I guess I will have to educate her as to where the "play" button is. :)
[22:46] <TheSheep> ricardofabia: I'm sure there is some command-line parameter for exaile to start playing automatically
[22:48] <ricardofabia> I tried exaile d% --play but it only works with already running instances.
[22:49] <TheSheep> ricardofabia: you could start exaile at login...
[22:49] <ricardofabia> oh well I will look into exaile later. Thank you very much for your help
[22:50] <TheSheep> you are welcome, don't hesitate to ask if you have any other problems :)
[22:54] <ricardofabia> It also opens two instances of exaile.
[22:54] <ricardofabia> hehehe. It is getting interesting
[22:57] <ubuntu> I have a 512mb usb thumb drive and would like to run xubuntu on it.  I'm currently using the live cd for ubuntu 8.04.
[23:00] <PsynoKhi0> 512 mb will most probably be too little for the full desktop installation
[23:01] <Firefishe> PsynoKhi0:  How big is xfce, anyway?
[23:02] <Firefishe> I really just want a few things.  flash functionality and java for the browser, and an irc client, and that's really about it
[23:02] <Firefishe> still too small?
[23:02] <Firefishe> How about basic ubuntu with fluxbox?
[23:02] <PsynoKhi0> I don't know exactly, but your best bet would be to build you ubuntu from the ground up using the server installation
[23:02] <PsynoKhi0> your ubuntu*
[23:03] <Firefishe> server installation light?
[23:03] <PsynoKhi0> even the live cds take more than 512MB
[23:04] <Firefishe> I had a 1gb drive, but it has currently gone missing.  I really should use a 2 or 4 gigger for the best results
[23:04] <Firefishe> incidentally, can the usb drive be used simultaneously as swap space?
[23:04] <TheSheep> Firefishe: very bad idea
[23:04] <Firefishe> just wanted to know
[23:05] <Firefishe> I've never done it before, and just thought it might be able to read two partitions.
[23:05] <TheSheep> Firefishe: flash drives can only support several hundred overwrites of the same spot
[23:05] <PsynoKhi0> that would wear out your flashdrive fast
[23:05] <PsynoKhi0> stuff like Asus EEE PC ship without swap for that reason
[23:06] <Firefishe> I'm getting a new laptop in mid-october when my loan money becomes available at school, but I'm just wanting to get my old x86 lappie here working without me having to boot up the live cd all the time\
[23:06] <Firefishe> eee pc is solid state, right?
[23:06] <PsynoKhi0> yes
[23:07] <TheSheep> Firefishe: part of it
[23:07] <TheSheep> Firefishe: it has two drives, because ssd is so expensive
[23:07] <TheSheep> Firefishe: the other one is a normla flash
[23:07] <TheSheep> normal
[23:08] <Firefishe> I see
[23:08] <TheSheep> at least that's how it is with the 9" model
[23:08] <Firefishe> ah...that the new one?
[23:09] <TheSheep> the newer one, yes
[23:09] <Firefishe> I'm debating on whether to get a touch screen laptop for linux this time around.  Thing is, I'll be programming with C# at school, so I suppose windows will have to be part of it.  Unless I can use the Eclipse extension or something.
[23:09] <PsynoKhi0> weird, what I've read only stated that the SSD drive was split in two
[23:10] <PsynoKhi0> anyway...
[23:12] <PsynoKhi0> Firefishe: http://www.pendrivelinux.com/ would be a good place to start
[23:13] <PsynoKhi0> they mention 1GB or more for ubuntu installations
[23:14] <PsynoKhi0> but that's from the liveCD
[23:14] <TheSheep> ubuntu is pretty bloated, mostly because this "should work out of the box" policy
[23:14] <TheSheep> other distros can be much slimmer
[23:15] <Firefishe> yes, PsynoKhi0, I've been perusing pendrive.  PCLinux might be a good choice.  I just like debian-based stuff, and apt-get.
[23:15] <Firefishe> You say the server edition of ubuntu might work as a base, then work up from there?
[23:16] <PsynoKhi0> with "might" as the keyword, yes
[23:17] <PsynoKhi0> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD that option might work too
[23:18] <PsynoKhi0> I've not tried it myself so I can't speak from experience
[23:20] <Firefishe> I'm downloading the minimal 9.5mb iso of hardy 8.04.  The thing is, I'm using a live cd right now so I can't just go and burn anything right now.
[23:22] <PsynoKhi0> http://www.ubuntu.com/products/whatisubuntu/serveredition/jeos if you want some basic stuff up and running at once maybe...
[23:24] <MeanderingCode> can anyone point me to a comprehensive writeup of the soundsystem approach xubuntu 8.04 implemented?
[23:25] <MeanderingCode> my issues here are ridiculous when 7.10 worked so flawlessly and 8.04 didn't even shift to pulse (xubuntu) and it might not be an issue if I could find documentation
[23:25] <PsynoKhi0> Firefishe: you want to put it on a laptop, right?
[23:26] <PsynoKhi0> MeanderingCode: looks like we're in the same boat :)
[23:26] <MeanderingCode> PsynoKhi0: any leads?  Does your sound work at all? (I've managed something that could be called working)
[23:27] <Firefishe> PsynoKhi0:  Yes
[23:27] <Firefishe> PsynoKhi0: I want to put it on a usb drive and run that on my laptop
[23:29] <PsynoKhi0> MeanderingCode: it works fine on my laptop, my old desktop freezes as long as the sound module is loaded... gutsy worked great... I've been digging through logs and web pages since Hardy was released, still no clue
[23:30] <PsynoKhi0> Firefishe: any particular reason for running it from a usb drive instead of the internal one?
[23:30] <MeanderingCode> PsynoKhi0: by chance does this have to do with device hw:0 (or whichever) being busy / only one app can use sound at a time, or anything of the sort?
[23:30] <PsynoKhi0> MeanderingCode: what exactly is your issue?
[23:30] <Firefishe> PsynoKhi0:  Internal hard disk is toast.
[23:31] <Firefishe> PsynoKhi0:  Hence the desire to use the flash drive.
[23:31] <PsynoKhi0> Firefishe: that's a good reason...
[23:31] <MeanderingCode> PsynoKhi0: sound not working
[23:31] <Firefishe> ;) heh
[23:31] <MeanderingCode> PsynoKhi0: I'll be back shortly and can get more into it
[23:32] <PsynoKhi0> MeanderingCode: I don't even get any error message, the darn thing goes "Go Go Cucumber Mode!" and the reset button is the only way out
[23:33] <PsynoKhi0> Firefishe: hmm how much RAM do you have on your laptop?
[23:34] <PsynoKhi0> Firefishe: either way a swap looks like a no-no which rules out hibernation
[23:34] <Firefishe> PsynoKhi0:  A gig (946 useable)
[23:34] <Firefishe> i dont' use hibernation anyway
[23:34] <PsynoKhi0> oo that's pretty comfy
[23:34] <PsynoKhi0> Firefishe: I would recommend using a LiveCD as your OS and your USB for storage actually
[23:35] <PsynoKhi0> unless you really need to free up your cd drive
[23:35] <PsynoKhi0> that way it would be up and running in no time
[23:35] <Firefishe> PsynoKhi0: I'm having trouble getting java to download and do anything worthwhile in the browser.  I'm sure it has something to do with the ramdisk that the live cd is using.  I"m actually using the live cd now
[23:36] <Firefishe> oddly enough, the .deb package 'flashplugin-nonfree' is working perfectly.
[23:36] <PsynoKhi0> Firefishe: my bad, I meant, using a LiveCD from a distro which is meant to be run as a livecd
[23:37] <PsynoKhi0> ubuntu's livecd is more a "try before you buy" kind of deal
[23:37] <Firefishe> I'm going through a selective process.  I only need a few key programs to make this work effectively.  I figure I can use fluxbox as my window manager on the usb drive, which would leave more room for other things.  First, I've got to get *something* on the pen drive.
[23:38] <PsynoKhi0> debian-based ones though...
[23:38] <Firefishe> PsynoKhi0:  is Mint Linux a debian-based, live cd distro?
[23:38] <Breetai> Is there some way after installing Xbuntu to run the Migration Assistant to bring over additional windows users profiles?
[23:38] <PsynoKhi0> Mint is an off shoot of Ubuntu AFAIK
[23:39] <PsynoKhi0> kinda
[23:39] <Firefishe> I have knoppix 5.3.1 but knoppix doesn't work with my wi-fi card
[23:39] <PsynoKhi0> Firefishe: how about Slax or Wolvix?
[23:39] <Firefishe> PsynoKhi0:  I've never tried them.  I guess I need to ask, how would using them help me get my thumb drive to work?
[23:40] <Firefishe> I am of the opinion that www.pendrivelinux.com is geared toward windows users getting linux on their thumb drives...weird.
[23:41] <PsynoKhi0> Firefishe: if you still want to install a bootable distro on your usb drive... not much
[23:42] <PsynoKhi0> hang on
[23:45] <Firefishe> k
[23:46] <PsynoKhi0> checking the lgith distros I know of, if you can make them run easily from a pendrive
[23:46] <PsynoKhi0> light*
[23:46] <Firefishe> PsynoKhi0:  slax looks promising.  wolvix includes xfce, but just lists the .iso files.
[23:46] <Firefishe> slax has a simple usb method
[23:52] <PsynoKhi0> Firefishe: PuppyLinux och Damn Small Linux might work too... only thing is, Puppy always runs as root (I don't like that) and DSL is more geared toward older hardware (2.4 kernel among other things)
[23:52] <PsynoKhi0> on the bright side they are small
[23:54] <Firefishe> I'm d/l slax
[23:54] <Firefishe> pop the file on to the drive, do one command, and you're done
[23:54] <Firefishe> since it's probably best if I reformat it as a fat32 system, I'll pblky use the ***.bat command ;)
[23:55] <Firefishe> now I *think* this laptop's bios can boot from usb ;) hee
[23:55] <Firefishe> *crosses fins*
[23:56] <PsynoKhi0> Firefishe: heh... I've gone through a couple of threads, one was about a guy getting slax on a 512MB USB drive and activating java
[23:57] <PsynoKhi0> are you burning your livecds from a working linux distro?
[23:58] <PsynoKhi0> or still d/ling from your laptop?
[23:59] <PsynoKhi0> from/to...
[23:59] <Firefishe> d/l from my laptop
[23:59] <Firefishe> I have no way to burn anything
[23:59] <Firefishe> I have a usb dvd burner, but I lost the power supply dc adapter for it.