[00:13] <DanaG> Hmm, anybody happen to use ATI framebuffer drivers?
[00:13] <DanaG> I'm curious if my intended move to ATI will let me have native-resolution consoles.
[00:39] <Hobbsee> [09:36] <Hobbsee> here's an interesting question....
[00:39] <Hobbsee> [09:36] <Hobbsee> why does the printer on the LAN keep starting up, whenever I turn my machine on, and it logs in?
[00:39] <Hobbsee> is anyone else getting that?
[00:42] <DanaG> heh, ext2fsd == bad.
[00:42] <DanaG> http://forums.xkcd.com/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=14798
[02:09] <gigatropolis> hello
[02:09] <gigatropolis> I need to install subversion 1.5 on ubuntu hardy
[02:10] <gigatropolis> how can I do this?
[02:10] <RAOF> gigatropolis: Well, this is the wrong channel for that question (you're after #ubuntu)
[02:10] <RAOF> gigatropolis: Secondly...
[02:10] <RAOF> !backports | gigatropolis
[02:11] <gigatropolis> #ubuntu asked me to come here because it's an intreped package
[02:11] <RAOF> Sadly, #ubuntu is wrong :).  But check out the backports documentation; I'm fairly sure there's a svn 1.5 package in there.
[02:12] <gigatropolis> thsnks RAOF
[03:45] <Jordan_U> Can someone help me work around bug #254840 and get my touchpad working again?
[03:47] <RAOF> Jordan_U: IgnoreEmptyInput?
[03:48] <Jordan_U> RAOF: Not sure what you mean
[03:48] <RAOF> Jordan_U: That's the bug you want to work around by adding IgnoreEmptyInput to your ServerFlags section in xorg.conf, right?
[03:49] <Jordan_U> RAOF: I guess I'll try that :)
[03:49] <RAOF> man xorg.conf will give you specifics.
[03:49] <RAOF> Do your mouse/keyboard work _anywhere_ in X?
[03:50] <Jordan_U> RAOF: My keyboard works but not my touchpad
[03:51] <Jordan_U> RAOF: Before the update that initially caused this bug both worked, then neither worked, now after one update that was supposed to solve this issue my keyboard works but touchpad still does not
[03:51] <RAOF> Hm.  Do you have xserver-xorg-input-evdev installed?
[03:51] <Jordan_U> RAOF: Yes
[04:03] <wishie> is KDE 3.5.x still going to be an option in Intepid when it comes out ? For the people that dont want to move to KDE 4.x yet ?
[06:28] <DanaG> Argh, my screen is randomly changing color.
[06:28] <RAOF> Wicked.
[06:28]  * RAOF blames Canada
[06:29] <DanaG> And now I have a random triangle sitting in the upper left corner of my screen.
[06:30] <DanaG> Wow... that's just plain odd.
[06:30] <DanaG> =þ
[06:31] <DanaG> ... and it only appears while my mouse is an arrow.
[06:33] <DanaG> ... a black arrow.
[06:33] <DanaG> My cursor theme is white, not black.
[06:33] <DanaG> =O
[06:33] <DanaG> Git compiz is just plain screwy.
[06:36] <DanaG> If only Ubuntu would include Atlantis2.... I wouldn't NEED git.
[06:37] <RAOF> That doesn't build against the recent git snapshot we package?
[06:42] <Gumby> hrm, I am trying to build and install mythtv packages and they are failing.  I was told to put -X in mythtv-common.postinst after #! and then install to see errors.  I did the following, is this correct  #!/bin/sh -e -X
[06:44] <Gumby> I should clarify, I did successfully build the packages, I only get errors on install
[06:57] <DanaG> Oh, I should try that some time.  Silly me.
[07:00] <DanaG> =þ
[07:00] <DanaG> Is staticswitcher packaged?
[07:02] <DanaG> /usr/bin/compiz.real (core) - Error: Could not acquire compositing manager selection on screen 0 display ":0.0"
[07:02] <DanaG> /usr/bin/compiz.real (core) - Fatal: No manageable screens found on display :0.0
[07:03] <crdlb> yay, metacity
[07:03] <DanaG> Heh, I double-clicked my manual compiz launcher (that passes the right args)... and X crashed.
[07:03] <DanaG> I have this in my startup: compiz --(args here) || compiz --(args here) || metacity --replace
[07:03] <DanaG> so it tries to launch twice.
[07:05] <DanaG> I wish OpenOffice wouldn't spam tooltip popups upon scrolling.
[07:05] <crdlb> does it at least make one and reuse it?
[07:05] <DanaG> When combined with my menus effect (vacuum), it is distracting.
[07:05] <crdlb> like webkit-gtk does
[07:05] <DanaG> Nope, it closes and re-opens it.
[07:05] <crdlb> fail
[07:06] <DanaG> And speaking of vacuum: http://apple2pc.blogspot.com/2008/02/hidden-minimize-effect-tweak-series.html
[07:07] <DanaG> Alternate minimize effect in OS X: "Suck"
[07:10] <DanaG> Oh yeah, anybody know how to override nvidia's edid detection so non-EDID monitors show up as 1024x768 rather than 800x600?
[07:11] <DanaG> The projectors at my school have the DDC pin entirely missing, so I have to boot Windows to use them at anything above 800x600.
[07:11] <RAOF> nvidia-xconfig --advanced-help
[07:11] <RAOF> There's an "ignore EDID" thingy in there.
[07:11] <DanaG> I don't want to entirely override it, though -- that'd make it hard to connect an EDID monitor.
[07:12] <DanaG> Oh yeah, what does the "Shadows" plugin do?
[07:12] <RAOF> No idea.
[07:12] <DanaG> For me, it did exactly nothing.
[07:13] <DanaG> ... and bicubic applies a blur across the whole screen, as if it's the final step in rendering.
[07:13] <DanaG> (though below Benchmark thingy.)
[07:13] <DanaG> Aah, actually, it's the last on-desktop rendering effect.
[07:21] <DanaG> Oh yeah, have you seen the new HP Touchsmart thingy?
[07:21] <DanaG> I've checked out Device Manager on one in a store, and it seems the touchscreen appears as several USB HID devices.
[07:22] <DanaG> I couldn't tell which were the touchscreen.... but when you see one mouse and one keyboard, an MCE remote (2 or 3 HID devices), and perhaps about 10 total, you can still figure it out.
[07:26] <DanaG> Wow, Flash 10 is now visually flashing and glitching all over the place.
[07:26] <DanaG> .. either that, or these videos just suck.
[07:26] <DanaG> http://smspillaz.wordpress.com/
[07:28]  * DanaG wonders about MPX and Intrepid.
[07:31] <pwnguin> i dont think so
[07:32] <pwnguin> phoronix is editorializing that xorg is falling apart
[07:35] <RAOF> In what way?
[07:36] <pwnguin> releases falling back
[07:36] <pwnguin> features getting dropped
[07:38] <pwnguin> certainly, input hotplug has been a looooong time in coming
[07:40] <RAOF> And is currently breaking our X :)
[07:43] <DanaG> NVIDIA 71 is broken due to ABI change.  :(
[07:43] <DanaG> And nv is slow as molasses.
[07:44] <pwnguin> well, my wireless is broked currently =/
[07:45] <RAOF> nouveau is faster than molasses, or should be.
[07:46] <pwnguin> what's left holding nouveau from ubuntu?
[07:46] <RAOF> A libdrm snapshot.
[07:46] <pwnguin> what's the deal with libdrm
[07:47] <RAOF> I'm _still_ not going to replace the bottom of the free 3d stack with a snapshot :)
[07:47] <pwnguin> its been like this for quite some time
[07:47] <RAOF> libdrm is somewhat crazy at the moment, with the TTM vs GEM vs kernel mode-setting fun.
[07:47] <RAOF> It has, yes.
[07:48] <pwnguin> do they even have a plan to resolve the problem?
[07:49] <pwnguin> it's a bit frustrating; i mean, is there any question that nouveau is better than nv currently
[07:49] <pwnguin> ?
[07:52] <DanaG> Oh yeah, will kernel mode-setting give native-resolution framebuffer?
[07:52] <RAOF> Yes.
[07:52] <DanaG> At least with open-source FB drivers.
[07:52] <DanaG> nvidiafb clashes with nvidia binary.
[07:52] <RAOF> pwnguin: There isn't really much question that nouveau is better than nv on < nv5x.
[07:53] <DanaG> does radeonfb clash with flgrx?  Does it clash with radeon / radeonhd?
[07:53] <DanaG> Oh yeah, the nvidia 71 box I have is a laptop with a GeForce 420 Go (GeForce 2 renamed to GeForce 4, but somehow deserves GeForce4 drivers).
[07:56] <DanaG> My current GeForce Go 7600 laptop doesn't have any native-res FB modes.  :(
[09:49] <Jordan_U> I can't get madwifi to work, "sudo modprobe ath_pci" gives "FATAL: Module ath_pci not found.", can anyone load that module?
[10:17] <Jordan_U> Judging by https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-restricted-modules/+bug/254034/ there seems to be a possibility that running "sudo lrm-manager" will solve my madwifi issue but I am having trouble finding documentation for this command, can anyone give any input?
[10:21] <Jordan_U> Well, I did it, hopefully it wasn't a terrible thing to do ( and with luck it'll get my wireless to work :)
[10:29] <Jordan_U_> SUCESS!!!
[10:30] <jblack> So, I'm having a odd problme with dualheading. This started on hardy (which I'm no longer on). Last week, my second monitor started to blink every time I start a new window. The problem exists under Intrepid as well.
[10:31] <RAOF> jblack: There's at least one existing bug on Launchpad, filed against xorg-server, I believe.
[10:31] <jblack> start up a new gnome-terminal, and the 22" lcd blanks for about 3/4 of a second.
[10:31] <RAOF> It seems that various things trigger load-detect, which makes things blink.
[10:31] <jblack> That gives me something to chase down. Thanks for the hint. =)
[10:32] <jblack> I think this is it right here. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-nv/+bug/245383 , though I'm not using the nv driver.
[10:34] <RAOF> jblack: I'm pretty sure there's one on xorg-server; it seems common to all drivers, and is likely to be something to do with xrandr support.
[10:37] <datawhore> lol
[10:40] <jblack> That may be. Things go pretty.... wild when I turn the external lcd monitor on/off with xrandr.
[10:40] <jblack> For lack of a better phrase, I'd call it resizing stuttering/epilepsy. =)
[10:41] <jblack> I'll look for a better bug under xorg-server or xrander to file under
[10:45] <jblack> pardon the spelling
[11:04] <oupamster> my upgrade finished with this message; "the networkmanager applet couldn't find some required resources." what does it mean? (8.10 alpha3)
[12:44] <s0u][ight> hi guys
[12:58] <vincent_> Hi everybody. Can someone give me a link where it is explained ("officialy") how to upgrade to Kubuntu Intrepid ?
[13:16] <vega--> vincent_: well, intrepid is not official yet..
[13:18] <vincent_> Yes, I know.
[13:20] <vega--> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HardyUpgrades#Network%20upgrade%20for%20Kubuntu%20desktops%20(recommended)
[13:20] <vega--> that's probably the latest..
[13:21] <vincent_> I have already tried that, but it doesn't work.
[13:22] <JontheEchidna> Hmm, that would only work if Intrepid were out "for real"
[13:22] <vincent_> I remember in one previous version that we had to add a line in the source.lst file, but I can't find anything about Intrepid.
[13:22] <vincent_> Yes, I know.
[13:23] <vega--> use update-manager -c -d ?
[13:23] <vincent_> Already tried.
[13:23] <vega--> that worked for me, although not using kubuntu
[13:24] <vincent_> It works in Ubuntu but not in Kubuntu.
[13:24] <JontheEchidna> I think I used
[13:24] <vega--> tough luck :)
[13:24] <JontheEchidna> do-release-upgrade -d
[13:24] <vincent_> I like trying develoment versions and I was feeling like trying the upgrade process.
[13:25] <JontheEchidna> and I did something
[13:25] <JontheEchidna> to specify I wanted a desktop upgrade
[13:27] <vincent_> Nevermind, that won't be for today. Thank you everyone. Have a good day. Bye.
[13:53] <ikonia> .kast ujibua
[13:53] <ikonia> oops
[13:54] <Hew> Is the original "Human" theme meant to be broken on current Intrepid?
[13:57] <Hew> can someone at least confirm that Human is broken (or working fine) for them on Intrepid?
[13:57] <Hew> just to rule out it's not something weird with only my system
[14:08] <gnomefreak> Hew: dark?
[14:09] <gnomefreak> Hew: if its a dark theme by default its a version of human but not human (cant recall name of it atm) too much going on today
[14:09] <Hew> gnomefreak: the original "Human" theme pops up an error when selecting it in appearance
[14:09] <gnomefreak> Hew: ah no i havent seen that but file a bug on it
[14:09] <Hew> gnomefreak: "This theme will not look as intended because the required GTK+ theme 'Human' is not installed.
[14:10] <Hew> gnomefreak: well I just wanted to check here first as it may be intentional; I believe there's a move to Human-Murrine instead
[14:10] <gnomefreak> Hew: make sure its installed first
[14:10] <Hew> gnomefreak: Are you running Intrepid? Can you check your appearance preferences dialog?
[14:10] <Hew> gnomefreak: yes, human-theme is indeed installed, and the other human themes are working great
[14:10] <gnomefreak> Hew: i am but i cant i have too much going on atm
[14:11] <Hew> gnomefreak: no worries if you can't, but it just involves looking at appearance preferences and seeing if the "Human" titlebar is blue or orange/brown
[14:12] <gnomefreak> Hew: i have 3 packages building atm and memory is getting very low inturn slowing pc down way too much
[14:12] <gnomefreak> i cant run GUI when building packages
[14:12] <Hew> gnomefreak: no worries
[14:13] <Hew> anyone else running Intrepid?
[14:24] <afflux> Hew: me. what exactly are testing?
[14:25] <Hew> afflux: system -> preferences -> appearance. Look at (or click on) the "Human" theme. Does it have a blue titlebar, and produce an error if clicked?
[14:26] <afflux> Hew: no, looks as intended.
[14:26] <afflux> well, I've to admit that I'm not on the latest updates
[14:26] <Hew> afflux: Interesting, thanks for testing. I'll look into it further.
[14:27] <Hew> afflux: no worries, it's been like that for me as long as I can remember
[14:27] <Hew> afflux: well, do you have human-theme 0.22?
[14:27] <afflux> ah okay
[14:27] <afflux> yes
[14:27] <Hew> ok cool, thanks again
[14:28] <afflux> you're welcome
[14:28] <afflux> let me now if I can be of any help
[15:55] <tech404> has util-linux for intrepid been moved over to volid? I saw it was slated in the change logs for the package but I wasn't sure if it had been implemented.
[16:01] <DanaG> Heh: "  (as an aside, distros need to help push drivers and patches upstream, not stuff random bits into the kernel and hope everything is kittens and roses and puppy dogs tails and bright copper kettles and warm woolen mittens)"
[16:01] <DanaG> http://blogs.gnome.org/dcbw/
[16:06] <IdleOne> "thos are just some of DanaG's favorite things!"
[16:07] <IdleOne> s/thos/those
[16:07] <DanaG> huh?
[16:07] <DanaG> Oh.
[16:56] <nemo> heh. "total system failure"
[16:56] <nemo> alarmists :-p
[17:01] <AnAnt> Hello, I tried to add a GPRS connection using network manager, but I don't find an entry to mention the device to be used for GPRS
[17:01] <AnAnt> (ie /dev/tty0 or /dev/ttyUSB0 or /dev/rfcomm0)
[17:02] <AnAnt> how to do that ?
[17:02] <Trewas> I think it is supposed to autodetect (with the help of hal)
[17:03] <Trewas> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NetworkManager/Hardware/3G there's a list what is known working or not working
[17:04] <AnAnt> what if it's bluetooth ?
[17:05] <AnAnt> I want to connect using /dev/rfcomm0
[17:06] <Trewas> dunno... maybe the idea is that some other program is used to pair the phone and then network manager should pick it up
[17:07] <AnAnt> ah, it won't be supported until 0.7.1 or 0.7.5 of network-manager ! http://blogs.gnome.org/dcbw/category/networkmanager/
[17:09] <AnAnt> can't one add modem dialup connections in network-manager ?
[17:18] <DanaG> My bluetooth phone has TWO bluetooth serial devices.
[17:18] <DanaG> One is DUN (dial-up networking), for modem; the other is BT DIAG.
[18:31] <cypherdelic> When 2.6.27 will be released until 14th October, will it be in Intrepid Ibex then???
[18:37] <iiinc> Hello, noticed that drbd8-utils is in, but there's not drdb8-source package for modules-assistant
[18:37] <iiinc> how can I get it added?
[18:38] <iiinc> can't use drbd without the kernel module, so am stuck with drdb7 for now
[18:50] <cypherdelic>  Your current Ubuntu Intrepid Ibex 64Bit Bevelopement is broke, the actualisation of libavcodev51 from Version 3:0.svn20080206-11ubuntu1 to 3:0.svn20080206-11ubuntu1-medibuntu1 requires some dirty removement of other packages due to dependecy incompatibilities.
[18:50] <cypherdelic>  i.e. gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly-multiverse
[18:50] <cypherdelic>  or libavcodec1d and libavformat1d
[18:52] <cypherdelic> The Repo of Medibuntu is meant as broke, forgot that. #edibuntu say it is a general problem in ubuntu intrepid ibex, so thats why i post it here, i think it is about liblame0 replaced by libmp3lame0
[18:52] <cypherdelic> #+m
[18:53] <cypherdelic> any known issues about the replacement of liblame0 by libmp3lame0
[18:56] <dawid> hi vould anyone give me program that i can make programs very easy ??
[18:56] <dawid> hi could anyone give me program that i can make programs very easy ??
[19:01] <joaopinto> dawid, the support channel is #ubuntu
[19:02] <dawid> OMG This channel is for development??
[19:04] <Kopfgeldjaeger> This channel is for the development release of Ubuntu...
[19:05] <cypherdelic> https://bugs.launchpad.net/medibuntu/+bug/257043
[19:09] <cypherdelic> dawid:  you want to make programs very easy type in notepad <html><head><tittle>Hello World</title></head><body>I said hello to my world</body></html> and save it as helloworld.html, so theres your easy kind of program
[19:10] <cypherdelic> ;)
[19:10] <cypherdelic> refer to your programmin language if you want a easy programm in a different language
[19:10] <cypherdelic> this is not general developement
[19:11] <cypherdelic> this is ubuntu intrepid ibex developement ;)
[19:14] <askand> Is it true that x.org 7.4 has lost DRI2 support?
[19:21] <dawid> i want to make a normal program for example web browser
[19:30] <Jordan_U> It's amazing how much time is saved at boot by starting networking asynchronously
[19:36] <pen> is it worth testing in alpha 3 stage?
[19:52] <Assid> heya
[20:17] <td123> how is the current alpha? still very buggy / unbearable? since I tried alpha 1, then I tried the daily builds a long time ago since alpha 2 was delayed, and then it was very buggy
[20:35] <jacob> td123: it works; i use it on a daily basis, but be sure to have a fallback if something breaks.
[20:48] <johninlex> hello all
[20:50] <johninlex> last night I incourd a major problem, I had lost all panels
[20:50] <johninlex> has anyone else had this problem???
[20:52] <johninlex> I am using 8.10 alpha 3
[20:52] <johninlex> something seamonkey
[20:55] <Jordan_U> johninlex: What happens when you run "gnome-panel" ?
[20:59] <tanath> i had disabled tracker, but now it keeps starting. how can i stop it?
[20:59] <johninlex> nothing it told me that it wasn't there
[21:00] <johninlex> how I got it back was sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[21:02] <johninlex> Jordan_U I removed evoluation email cleint in which return remove the panels
[21:04] <johninlex> has anyone reported any problems Like this???
[21:04] <tanath> "Start search & indexing automatically" is turned off...
[21:05] <tanath> it's disabled in Sessions
[21:05] <tanath> but it keeps starting
[21:07] <tanath> forget it. i uninstalled it
[21:07] <johninlex> Jordan_U here was aforum that I used to fix my problem http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=878748&highlight=I+have+no+panels
[21:08] <johninlex> if this is any help to you all great dev.
[21:42] <Martiini> I just installed ..  ubuntu daily intrepid-desktop-i386.iso  ... and I get kernel panic  .. wont boot .. and no idea how to fix it