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DanaGHmm, anybody happen to use ATI framebuffer drivers?00:13
DanaGI'm curious if my intended move to ATI will let me have native-resolution consoles.00:13
Hobbsee[09:36] <Hobbsee> here's an interesting question....00:39
Hobbsee[09:36] <Hobbsee> why does the printer on the LAN keep starting up, whenever I turn my machine on, and it logs in?00:39
Hobbseeis anyone else getting that?00:39
DanaGheh, ext2fsd == bad.00:42
DanaGhttp://forums.xkcd.com/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=1479800:42
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gigatropolishello02:09
gigatropolisI need to install subversion 1.5 on ubuntu hardy02:09
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gigatropolishow can I do this?02:10
RAOFgigatropolis: Well, this is the wrong channel for that question (you're after #ubuntu)02:10
RAOFgigatropolis: Secondly...02:10
RAOF!backports | gigatropolis02:10
ubottugigatropolis: If new updated Ubuntu packages are built for an application, then they may go into Ubuntu Backports. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuBackports - See also !packaging02:10
gigatropolis#ubuntu asked me to come here because it's an intreped package02:11
RAOFSadly, #ubuntu is wrong :).  But check out the backports documentation; I'm fairly sure there's a svn 1.5 package in there.02:11
gigatropolisthsnks RAOF02:12
Jordan_UCan someone help me work around bug #254840 and get my touchpad working again?03:45
ubottuLaunchpad bug 254840 in xorg-server "[intrepid] mouse and keyboard stop working under gdm and gnome" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/25484003:45
RAOFJordan_U: IgnoreEmptyInput?03:47
Jordan_URAOF: Not sure what you mean03:48
RAOFJordan_U: That's the bug you want to work around by adding IgnoreEmptyInput to your ServerFlags section in xorg.conf, right?03:48
Jordan_URAOF: I guess I'll try that :)03:49
RAOFman xorg.conf will give you specifics.03:49
RAOFDo your mouse/keyboard work _anywhere_ in X?03:49
Jordan_URAOF: My keyboard works but not my touchpad03:50
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Jordan_URAOF: Before the update that initially caused this bug both worked, then neither worked, now after one update that was supposed to solve this issue my keyboard works but touchpad still does not03:51
RAOFHm.  Do you have xserver-xorg-input-evdev installed?03:51
Jordan_URAOF: Yes03:51
wishieis KDE 3.5.x still going to be an option in Intepid when it comes out ? For the people that dont want to move to KDE 4.x yet ?04:03
DanaGArgh, my screen is randomly changing color.06:28
RAOFWicked.06:28
* RAOF blames Canada06:28
DanaGAnd now I have a random triangle sitting in the upper left corner of my screen.06:29
DanaGWow... that's just plain odd.06:30
DanaG06:30
DanaG... and it only appears while my mouse is an arrow.06:31
DanaG... a black arrow.06:33
DanaGMy cursor theme is white, not black.06:33
DanaG=O06:33
DanaGGit compiz is just plain screwy.06:33
DanaGIf only Ubuntu would include Atlantis2.... I wouldn't NEED git.06:36
RAOFThat doesn't build against the recent git snapshot we package?06:37
Gumbyhrm, I am trying to build and install mythtv packages and they are failing.  I was told to put -X in mythtv-common.postinst after #! and then install to see errors.  I did the following, is this correct  #!/bin/sh -e -X06:42
GumbyI should clarify, I did successfully build the packages, I only get errors on install06:44
DanaGOh, I should try that some time.  Silly me.06:57
DanaG07:00
DanaGIs staticswitcher packaged?07:00
DanaG/usr/bin/compiz.real (core) - Error: Could not acquire compositing manager selection on screen 0 display ":0.0"07:02
DanaG/usr/bin/compiz.real (core) - Fatal: No manageable screens found on display :0.007:02
crdlbyay, metacity07:03
DanaGHeh, I double-clicked my manual compiz launcher (that passes the right args)... and X crashed.07:03
DanaGI have this in my startup: compiz --(args here) || compiz --(args here) || metacity --replace07:03
DanaGso it tries to launch twice.07:03
DanaGI wish OpenOffice wouldn't spam tooltip popups upon scrolling.07:05
crdlbdoes it at least make one and reuse it?07:05
DanaGWhen combined with my menus effect (vacuum), it is distracting.07:05
crdlblike webkit-gtk does07:05
DanaGNope, it closes and re-opens it.07:05
crdlbfail07:05
DanaGAnd speaking of vacuum: http://apple2pc.blogspot.com/2008/02/hidden-minimize-effect-tweak-series.html07:06
DanaGAlternate minimize effect in OS X: "Suck"07:07
DanaGOh yeah, anybody know how to override nvidia's edid detection so non-EDID monitors show up as 1024x768 rather than 800x600?07:10
DanaGThe projectors at my school have the DDC pin entirely missing, so I have to boot Windows to use them at anything above 800x600.07:11
RAOFnvidia-xconfig --advanced-help07:11
RAOFThere's an "ignore EDID" thingy in there.07:11
DanaGI don't want to entirely override it, though -- that'd make it hard to connect an EDID monitor.07:11
DanaGOh yeah, what does the "Shadows" plugin do?07:12
RAOFNo idea.07:12
DanaGFor me, it did exactly nothing.07:12
DanaG... and bicubic applies a blur across the whole screen, as if it's the final step in rendering.07:13
DanaG(though below Benchmark thingy.)07:13
DanaGAah, actually, it's the last on-desktop rendering effect.07:13
DanaGOh yeah, have you seen the new HP Touchsmart thingy?07:21
DanaGI've checked out Device Manager on one in a store, and it seems the touchscreen appears as several USB HID devices.07:21
DanaGI couldn't tell which were the touchscreen.... but when you see one mouse and one keyboard, an MCE remote (2 or 3 HID devices), and perhaps about 10 total, you can still figure it out.07:22
DanaGWow, Flash 10 is now visually flashing and glitching all over the place.07:26
DanaG.. either that, or these videos just suck.07:26
DanaGhttp://smspillaz.wordpress.com/07:26
* DanaG wonders about MPX and Intrepid.07:28
pwnguini dont think so07:31
pwnguinphoronix is editorializing that xorg is falling apart07:32
RAOFIn what way?07:35
pwnguinreleases falling back07:36
pwnguinfeatures getting dropped07:36
pwnguincertainly, input hotplug has been a looooong time in coming07:38
RAOFAnd is currently breaking our X :)07:40
DanaGNVIDIA 71 is broken due to ABI change.  :(07:43
DanaGAnd nv is slow as molasses.07:43
pwnguinwell, my wireless is broked currently =/07:44
RAOFnouveau is faster than molasses, or should be.07:45
pwnguinwhat's left holding nouveau from ubuntu?07:46
RAOFA libdrm snapshot.07:46
pwnguinwhat's the deal with libdrm07:46
RAOFI'm _still_ not going to replace the bottom of the free 3d stack with a snapshot :)07:47
pwnguinits been like this for quite some time07:47
RAOFlibdrm is somewhat crazy at the moment, with the TTM vs GEM vs kernel mode-setting fun.07:47
RAOFIt has, yes.07:47
pwnguindo they even have a plan to resolve the problem?07:48
pwnguinit's a bit frustrating; i mean, is there any question that nouveau is better than nv currently07:49
pwnguin?07:49
DanaGOh yeah, will kernel mode-setting give native-resolution framebuffer?07:52
RAOFYes.07:52
DanaGAt least with open-source FB drivers.07:52
DanaGnvidiafb clashes with nvidia binary.07:52
RAOFpwnguin: There isn't really much question that nouveau is better than nv on < nv5x.07:52
DanaGdoes radeonfb clash with flgrx?  Does it clash with radeon / radeonhd?07:53
DanaGOh yeah, the nvidia 71 box I have is a laptop with a GeForce 420 Go (GeForce 2 renamed to GeForce 4, but somehow deserves GeForce4 drivers).07:53
DanaGMy current GeForce Go 7600 laptop doesn't have any native-res FB modes.  :(07:56
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Jordan_UI can't get madwifi to work, "sudo modprobe ath_pci" gives "FATAL: Module ath_pci not found.", can anyone load that module?09:49
Jordan_UJudging by https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-restricted-modules/+bug/254034/ there seems to be a possibility that running "sudo lrm-manager" will solve my madwifi issue but I am having trouble finding documentation for this command, can anyone give any input?10:17
ubottuLaunchpad bug 254034 in linux-restricted-modules "Tries to create 'volatile' directory on read-only filesystem" [Undecided,Confirmed]10:17
Jordan_UWell, I did it, hopefully it wasn't a terrible thing to do ( and with luck it'll get my wireless to work :)10:21
Jordan_U_SUCESS!!!10:29
jblackSo, I'm having a odd problme with dualheading. This started on hardy (which I'm no longer on). Last week, my second monitor started to blink every time I start a new window. The problem exists under Intrepid as well.10:30
RAOFjblack: There's at least one existing bug on Launchpad, filed against xorg-server, I believe.10:31
jblackstart up a new gnome-terminal, and the 22" lcd blanks for about 3/4 of a second.10:31
RAOFIt seems that various things trigger load-detect, which makes things blink.10:31
jblackThat gives me something to chase down. Thanks for the hint. =)10:31
jblackI think this is it right here. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-nv/+bug/245383 , though I'm not using the nv driver.10:32
ubottuLaunchpad bug 245383 in xserver-xorg-video-nv "Screen flickers when loading applications" [Undecided,New]10:32
RAOFjblack: I'm pretty sure there's one on xorg-server; it seems common to all drivers, and is likely to be something to do with xrandr support.10:34
datawhorelol10:37
jblackThat may be. Things go pretty.... wild when I turn the external lcd monitor on/off with xrandr.10:40
jblackFor lack of a better phrase, I'd call it resizing stuttering/epilepsy. =)10:40
jblackI'll look for a better bug under xorg-server or xrander to file under10:41
jblackpardon the spelling10:45
oupamstermy upgrade finished with this message; "the networkmanager applet couldn't find some required resources." what does it mean? (8.10 alpha3)11:04
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s0u][ighthi guys12:44
vincent_Hi everybody. Can someone give me a link where it is explained ("officialy") how to upgrade to Kubuntu Intrepid ?12:58
vega--vincent_: well, intrepid is not official yet..13:16
vincent_Yes, I know.13:18
vega--https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HardyUpgrades#Network%20upgrade%20for%20Kubuntu%20desktops%20(recommended)13:20
vega--that's probably the latest..13:20
vincent_I have already tried that, but it doesn't work.13:21
JontheEchidnaHmm, that would only work if Intrepid were out "for real"13:22
vincent_I remember in one previous version that we had to add a line in the source.lst file, but I can't find anything about Intrepid.13:22
vincent_Yes, I know.13:22
vega--use update-manager -c -d ?13:23
vincent_Already tried.13:23
vega--that worked for me, although not using kubuntu13:23
vincent_It works in Ubuntu but not in Kubuntu.13:24
JontheEchidnaI think I used13:24
vega--tough luck :)13:24
JontheEchidnado-release-upgrade -d13:24
vincent_I like trying develoment versions and I was feeling like trying the upgrade process.13:24
JontheEchidnaand I did something13:25
JontheEchidnato specify I wanted a desktop upgrade13:25
vincent_Nevermind, that won't be for today. Thank you everyone. Have a good day. Bye.13:27
ikonia.kast ujibua13:53
ikoniaoops13:53
HewIs the original "Human" theme meant to be broken on current Intrepid?13:54
Hewcan someone at least confirm that Human is broken (or working fine) for them on Intrepid?13:57
Hewjust to rule out it's not something weird with only my system13:57
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gnomefreakHew: dark?14:08
gnomefreakHew: if its a dark theme by default its a version of human but not human (cant recall name of it atm) too much going on today14:09
Hewgnomefreak: the original "Human" theme pops up an error when selecting it in appearance14:09
gnomefreakHew: ah no i havent seen that but file a bug on it14:09
Hewgnomefreak: "This theme will not look as intended because the required GTK+ theme 'Human' is not installed.14:09
Hewgnomefreak: well I just wanted to check here first as it may be intentional; I believe there's a move to Human-Murrine instead14:10
gnomefreakHew: make sure its installed first14:10
Hewgnomefreak: Are you running Intrepid? Can you check your appearance preferences dialog?14:10
Hewgnomefreak: yes, human-theme is indeed installed, and the other human themes are working great14:10
gnomefreakHew: i am but i cant i have too much going on atm14:10
Hewgnomefreak: no worries if you can't, but it just involves looking at appearance preferences and seeing if the "Human" titlebar is blue or orange/brown14:11
gnomefreakHew: i have 3 packages building atm and memory is getting very low inturn slowing pc down way too much14:12
gnomefreaki cant run GUI when building packages14:12
Hewgnomefreak: no worries14:12
Hewanyone else running Intrepid?14:13
affluxHew: me. what exactly are testing?14:24
Hewafflux: system -> preferences -> appearance. Look at (or click on) the "Human" theme. Does it have a blue titlebar, and produce an error if clicked?14:25
affluxHew: no, looks as intended.14:26
affluxwell, I've to admit that I'm not on the latest updates14:26
Hewafflux: Interesting, thanks for testing. I'll look into it further.14:26
Hewafflux: no worries, it's been like that for me as long as I can remember14:27
Hewafflux: well, do you have human-theme 0.22?14:27
affluxah okay14:27
affluxyes14:27
Hewok cool, thanks again14:27
affluxyou're welcome14:28
affluxlet me now if I can be of any help14:28
tech404has util-linux for intrepid been moved over to volid? I saw it was slated in the change logs for the package but I wasn't sure if it had been implemented.15:55
DanaGHeh: "  (as an aside, distros need to help push drivers and patches upstream, not stuff random bits into the kernel and hope everything is kittens and roses and puppy dogs tails and bright copper kettles and warm woolen mittens)"16:01
DanaGhttp://blogs.gnome.org/dcbw/16:01
IdleOne"thos are just some of DanaG's favorite things!"16:06
IdleOnes/thos/those16:07
DanaGhuh?16:07
DanaGOh.16:07
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nemoheh. "total system failure"16:56
nemoalarmists :-p16:56
AnAntHello, I tried to add a GPRS connection using network manager, but I don't find an entry to mention the device to be used for GPRS17:01
AnAnt(ie /dev/tty0 or /dev/ttyUSB0 or /dev/rfcomm0)17:01
AnAnthow to do that ?17:02
TrewasI think it is supposed to autodetect (with the help of hal)17:02
Trewashttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/NetworkManager/Hardware/3G there's a list what is known working or not working17:03
AnAntwhat if it's bluetooth ?17:04
AnAntI want to connect using /dev/rfcomm017:05
Trewasdunno... maybe the idea is that some other program is used to pair the phone and then network manager should pick it up17:06
AnAntah, it won't be supported until 0.7.1 or 0.7.5 of network-manager ! http://blogs.gnome.org/dcbw/category/networkmanager/17:07
AnAntcan't one add modem dialup connections in network-manager ?17:09
DanaGMy bluetooth phone has TWO bluetooth serial devices.17:18
DanaGOne is DUN (dial-up networking), for modem; the other is BT DIAG.17:18
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cypherdelicWhen 2.6.27 will be released until 14th October, will it be in Intrepid Ibex then???18:31
iiincHello, noticed that drbd8-utils is in, but there's not drdb8-source package for modules-assistant18:37
iiinchow can I get it added?18:37
iiinccan't use drbd without the kernel module, so am stuck with drdb7 for now18:38
cypherdelic Your current Ubuntu Intrepid Ibex 64Bit Bevelopement is broke, the actualisation of libavcodev51 from Version 3:0.svn20080206-11ubuntu1 to 3:0.svn20080206-11ubuntu1-medibuntu1 requires some dirty removement of other packages due to dependecy incompatibilities.18:50
cypherdelic i.e. gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly-multiverse18:50
cypherdelic or libavcodec1d and libavformat1d18:50
cypherdelicThe Repo of Medibuntu is meant as broke, forgot that. #edibuntu say it is a general problem in ubuntu intrepid ibex, so thats why i post it here, i think it is about liblame0 replaced by libmp3lame018:52
cypherdelic#+m18:52
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cypherdelicany known issues about the replacement of liblame0 by libmp3lame018:53
dawidhi vould anyone give me program that i can make programs very easy ??18:56
dawidhi could anyone give me program that i can make programs very easy ??18:56
joaopintodawid, the support channel is #ubuntu19:01
dawidOMG This channel is for development??19:02
KopfgeldjaegerThis channel is for the development release of Ubuntu...19:04
cypherdelichttps://bugs.launchpad.net/medibuntu/+bug/25704319:05
ubottuLaunchpad bug 257043 in medibuntu "Ubuntu Intrepid Ibex 64Bit: libavcodec51 dependency issue" [Undecided,New]19:05
cypherdelicdawid:  you want to make programs very easy type in notepad <html><head><tittle>Hello World</title></head><body>I said hello to my world</body></html> and save it as helloworld.html, so theres your easy kind of program19:09
cypherdelic;)19:10
cypherdelicrefer to your programmin language if you want a easy programm in a different language19:10
cypherdelicthis is not general developement19:10
cypherdelicthis is ubuntu intrepid ibex developement ;)19:11
askandIs it true that x.org 7.4 has lost DRI2 support?19:14
dawidi want to make a normal program for example web browser19:21
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Jordan_UIt's amazing how much time is saved at boot by starting networking asynchronously19:30
penis it worth testing in alpha 3 stage?19:36
Assidheya19:52
td123how is the current alpha? still very buggy / unbearable? since I tried alpha 1, then I tried the daily builds a long time ago since alpha 2 was delayed, and then it was very buggy20:17
jacobtd123: it works; i use it on a daily basis, but be sure to have a fallback if something breaks.20:35
johninlexhello all20:48
johninlexlast night I incourd a major problem, I had lost all panels20:50
johninlexhas anyone else had this problem???20:50
johninlexI am using 8.10 alpha 320:52
johninlexsomething seamonkey20:52
Jordan_Ujohninlex: What happens when you run "gnome-panel" ?20:55
tanathi had disabled tracker, but now it keeps starting. how can i stop it?20:59
johninlexnothing it told me that it wasn't there20:59
johninlexhow I got it back was sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop21:00
johninlexJordan_U I removed evoluation email cleint in which return remove the panels21:02
johninlexhas anyone reported any problems Like this???21:04
tanath"Start search & indexing automatically" is turned off...21:04
tanathit's disabled in Sessions21:05
tanathbut it keeps starting21:05
tanathforget it. i uninstalled it21:07
johninlexJordan_U here was aforum that I used to fix my problem http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=878748&highlight=I+have+no+panels21:07
johninlexif this is any help to you all great dev.21:08
MartiiniI just installed ..  ubuntu daily intrepid-desktop-i386.iso  ... and I get kernel panic  .. wont boot .. and no idea how to fix it21:42
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