[07:05] <ara> morning :-)
[07:34] <jpds> Good morning ara
[07:34] <ara> morning jpds
[08:31] <davmor2> Morning everyone.... How's things?
[08:49] <schwuk> Morning
[09:51] <davmor2> morning nand
[09:51] <nand> davmor2: mooorning!
[10:19] <davmor2> schwuk: you about?
[10:47] <schwuk> davmor2: yup
[13:01] <vadi2> Hi, I have a test case where I upgraded from 8.04 to 8.10 and Ubuntu's GDM got broken. I reported a bug, but nobody's replied for several days now, and I don't know what to do - the laptop is hosed, it can't do anything. But if I try to reinstall / install again, won't I be later asked to provide more info on the bug etc?
[13:08] <persia> vadi2: Which bug?
[13:08] <vadi2> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gdm/+bug/256452
[13:09] <persia> vadi2: Join me in #ubuntu-bugs, and let's see if we can get this bug triaged (I don't know much about GDM)
[13:14] <persia> vadi2: As you see, that's often the best way if you need to reformat or reinstall :)
[13:15] <vadi2> Okay thanks, I'll go there directly in the future
[13:15] <persia> Don't use it for every test bug (or people may stop listening), but it's good for test cases, etc. where you don't know what information you need to include.
[13:16] <vadi2> Will do
[14:18] <asac> hi
[14:18] <asac> daily liveCDs?
[14:18] <asac> currently usable? which link should I include in NM announcement?
[14:22] <davmor2> asac: is this the nm announcement that has gone out twice?
[14:22] <asac> davmor2: right ;)
[14:23] <asac> i dont know why my blog duplicated the entry
[14:23] <asac> i removed the second psot and hope that planet.ubuntu notices this
[14:23] <davmor2> http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/daily-live/20080811/
[14:23] <davmor2> and then choose the 32bit or 64 bit cd
[14:23] <asac> davmor2: ok. is NM 0.7 on those already?
[14:24] <davmor2> I'm about to test that it works on a standard install.
[14:24] <asac> it entered the archive on thursday... so i guess yes?
[14:24] <davmor2> 2 secs I'll tell you
[14:24] <asac> thx
[14:25] <asac> davmor2: is there no link to "latest-daily" ?
[14:25] <davmor2> asac: there is
[14:26] <asac> anyway. i think ill just post the top level dir
[14:26] <asac> e.g. http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/daily-live/
[14:26] <davmor2> you can just link to the current folder but it is always going to be a day behind in reality
[14:27] <asac> davmor2: ok. let me know if NM is on that disc please ;)
[14:27] <asac> then i'll hit "save/send"
[14:28] <davmor2> booting now
[14:33] <davmor2> asac: hang on issue with live I'll ping you in a second
[14:35] <davmor2> that's okay seems to be working this time.  Phew
[14:36] <davmor2> asac: 20080811 has indeed got NM applet 0.7.0
[14:38] <davmor2> is there anything else you need asac?
[14:40] <asac> davmor2: good
[14:40] <asac> and the network-manager package likewise i guess?
[14:42] <asac> davmor2: ?
[14:43] <davmor2> asac: everything with network-manager in is 0.7~~svn something
[14:43] <asac> ok great
[14:43] <davmor2> np's
[14:48] <stgraber> asac: hmm, is it known that nm0.7 doesn't use /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf ?
[14:48] <stgraber> it breaks my setup here as I need to set some flags to get the right IP and force the domain name
[14:49] <asac> stgraber: i think its known ... though it just runs dhclient
[14:49] <asac> stgraber: please file a bug ;)
[14:49] <asac> (with 0.7 in the summary so i can better filter them out)
[14:49] <stgraber> asac: it uses dhclient but not /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf
[14:50] <stgraber> /sbin/dhclient -d -sf /usr/lib/NetworkManager/nm-dhcp-client.action -pf /var/run/dhclient-eth0.pid -lf /var/run/dhclient-eth0.lease -cf /var/run/nm-dhclient-eth0.conf eth0
[14:50] <stgraber> it uses -cf /var/run/nm-dhclient-eth0.conf instead :(
[14:50] <stgraber> ok, will file a bug
[14:50] <asac> whats in the /var/run conf?
[14:57] <persia> Note that /var/run isn't guaranteed across reboots: the source configuration is likely somewhere else.
[14:58] <persia> Err, actually, specificially /var/run is guaranteed *not* to be stored across reboots.
[16:35] <stgraber> asac: nm-dhclient-eth0.conf is empty
[16:35] <stgraber> asac: I'll file a bug report in an hour or so (when I have time)
[16:36] <davmor2> stgraber: can you quickly confirm bug 256989
[16:38] <stgraber> sure, looking at it
[16:39] <stgraber> oh, you have it on standard hardware too ?
[16:39] <stgraber> I thought it was a VM only one
[16:40] <davmor2> no
[16:40] <davmor2> two different sets of hw too
[16:42] <asac> stgraber: maybe try the latest from ~network-manager PPA
[16:42] <asac> its a mroe recent snapshot and probably has a bunch of bugs fixed
[16:42] <stgraber> ok, confirmed
[16:44] <stgraber> ok, will give it a try later
[16:50] <asac> cool
[16:58] <davmor2> asac: I don't have 3g so can't check :(
[17:02] <asac> davmor2: you can check other connectivity things
[17:03] <davmor2> they seem alright 0.7.0 has been in for a few days and I've been smoke testing daily
[17:03] <asac> like: static ip, dhcp with manual nameserver, dhcp,
[17:03] <asac> wireless
[17:03] <asac> and system-settings
[17:03] <asac> (which should work without applet)
[17:06] <davmor2> asac: not wireless I got to use ndis for mine and it's not connecting up at the moment but that could be an issue with ndis but wired works fine
[17:09] <davmor2> I can try a live cd in my wifes Ubuntu/dell and see it that works :)
[17:14] <davmor2> stgraber: can you also try an oem install of Kubuntu and see if it works fine till you restart for end user?
[17:14] <davmor2> bug 251634
[17:14] <davmor2> bot is dead :(
[17:16] <jpds> No, I don't think I set it to look up bug things.
[17:19] <jpds> ubot5: bug 251634
[17:34] <davmor2> shame that was a useful feature :)
[17:40] <jpds> It just needs to be properly configured.
[21:12] <davmor2> stgraber: ping
[21:25] <pitti> hi
[21:25] <davmor2> hello :)
[21:25] <pitti> did anyone happen to test today's desktop CDs? They just hang for me on starting X, but I haven't done any debugging yet
[21:25] <davmor2> pitti on live?
[21:25] <pitti> yes
[21:26] <davmor2> It happened once so I rebooted every time I tried after that it worked fine
[21:28] <davmor2> pitti I can try again for you if you want?  Are you on vm though?
[21:29] <pitti> davmor2: I tried in vmware (amd64 CD) and kvm (i386 CD) on two different computers
[21:29] <pitti> will test on real iron tomorrow, but can't do today
[21:29] <davmor2> Might be vm issue we've had a few
[21:30] <davmor2> I can test on hw again for you if you want
[21:30] <pitti> that would be great
[21:31] <davmor2> 2 ticks
[21:36] <davmor2> pitti: desktop up and running slowly but up and running
[21:36] <pitti> davmor2: ah, thanks; could you try something for me, please?
[21:36] <davmor2> yes
[21:37] <pitti> davmor2: please open a Terminal and do "ls -l /proc/$$/exe"
[21:37] <pitti> davmor2: what's the result, "/bin/bash"?
[21:38] <davmor2> /proc/7698/exe -> /bin/bash
[21:38] <pitti> yay
[21:38] <pitti> that means that this unionfs bug doesn't apply to aufs, and we can drop that mono hack
[21:38] <pitti> davmor2: thanks
[21:39] <davmor2> anything else while it up and running?
[21:41] <davmor2> pitti: ^
[21:41] <pitti> davmor2: not now, thanks a lot!
[21:41] <davmor2> No probs