[00:40] <JontheEchidna> http://dot.kde.org/1218497374/
[00:40] <JontheEchidna> nice banner
[02:53] <kduser> Right What does Kubuntu use for sound?
[02:53] <jjesse> phonon is the backend i think its called
[02:53] <kduser> No below that
[02:54] <kduser> If I play something from the command line what enables me to get sound from there?
[02:54] <Jucato> depends on how you play the sound or what you use to play it
[02:54] <jjesse> morning Jucato
[02:54] <Jucato> strictly speaking there is no "sound" for the command line.
[02:55] <Jucato> jjesse: hallo
[02:55] <Jucato> oh, and phonon uses xine by default, but it can use gstreamer too I think
[02:55] <kduser> Well if I play sound from the command line I get nothing
[02:55] <kduser> If I start up KDE then sound emits gracefully from the speakers
[02:56] <kduser> If I close KDE then sound continues to flirt in harmony with my ears
[02:56] <JontheEchidna> what program are you trying to use to play sound in the console?
[02:56] <kduser> My Conclusion? KDE starts something that enables sound
[02:56] <Jucato> of course, because KDE has a sound "server" (arts for KDE 3, phonon for KDE 4) that lets it play sounds
[02:56] <kduser> mplayer
[02:56] <kduser> Pretty much un KDE related
[02:56] <Jucato> so if you use "mplayer <file> in the command line nothing comes out?
[02:56] <kduser> I can use oggplay as welll
[02:57] <kduser> nothing happens until I load KDE
[02:57] <kduser> then Sound!!!
[02:57]  * Jucato also wonders why this is in -devel...
[02:57] <kduser> Because it might be a bug?
[02:57] <Jucato> I'm not a sound expert, but I have a feeling ALSA isn't getting loaded
[02:58] <kduser> Except I don't think I have alsa installed at all
[02:58] <Jucato> ...
[03:00] <kduser> I don't have alsamixer I should say
[03:01] <kduser> Which thinking about it is strange
[03:01] <kduser> isn't Kmix just a frontend for that
[03:01] <Jucato> no
[03:02] <kduser> I'm guessing the KDE desktop starts some DBUS interface for sound?
[03:05] <kduser> though this is much more gettin into #kubuntu land
[07:58] <seele> Riddell: does kubuntu create standard folders in ~ just on new install or on upgrade too?
[07:58] <Riddell> seele: not entirely sure, it's done by the xdg-user-dirs-update tool
[07:59] <Riddell> seele: I think it makes them if /home/jr/.config/user-dirs.dirs doesn't exist
[07:59] <Riddell> maybe the man page says
[08:02] <seele> even if there were a man page, i have doubts it would be that useful
[08:03] <seele> hum.. well google was useless too
[08:04] <seele> Riddell: would it be referenced by anything besides xdg-user-dirs-update or xdg-user-dirs?  the freedesktop documentation is lacking
[08:06] <seele> hum, i guess i can do an upgrade and an install when i get home and see what happens
[08:07] <Jucato> those are always fun :)
[08:09] <Riddell> http://freedesktop.org/wiki/Specifications/common-user-directories-naming-spec ?
[08:09] <Riddell> is somewhat lacking
[08:11] <seele> is hardy using xdg?  i dont rememberthe standard folders until i started testing the kde4 cds
[08:11] <Riddell> it should be
[08:12] <seele> ok, then i guess it is a nonissue
[08:13] <seele> it would be annoying that if you upgraded an existing system (and file structure) you magically got mapped media folders added automatically
[08:13] <seele> becausyou probably already have a music, photos, and document management scheme set up somehow
[08:16] <Riddell> seele: hardy does have xdg-user-dirs
[08:17] <seele> Riddell: ok cool.
[10:33] <davmor2> Alternative 20080812 is knackered libxine1-ffmepg: Depends: libavcodec51 (>= 3:0.svn20080206) but is not installabe
[11:01] <Artemis_Fowl> seele: KGRUBEditor 0.8 is out
[11:01] <Artemis_Fowl> http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=75442
[11:01] <Artemis_Fowl> and my blog post (as well as a visual changelog) about it: http://artfowl.blogspot.com/2008/08/new-kgrubeditor-version-08-visual.html
[11:02] <Artemis_Fowl> apachelogger: ping
[11:07] <apachelogger> Artemis_Fowl: pong
[11:07] <apachelogger> Artemis_Fowl: tarball broken
[11:07] <Artemis_Fowl> broken?
[11:07] <apachelogger> Artemis_Fowl: it doesn't have a directory containing the source tree
[11:07] <apachelogger> i.e. it just spread all it's files in my main directory :P
[11:08] <Artemis_Fowl> oh
[11:08] <Artemis_Fowl> damn
[11:08] <apachelogger> :)
[11:08] <Artemis_Fowl> I used the tar command
[11:08] <Artemis_Fowl> w8 to repack then
[11:09] <apachelogger> Artemis_Fowl: don't you have a release script?
[11:10] <Artemis_Fowl> no
[11:10] <apachelogger> now... if you would host the source in KDE's svn .... ;-)
[11:11] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: ping
[11:11] <Artemis_Fowl> apachelogger: uploading
[11:12] <apachelogger> Artemis_Fowl: sf.net also needs 0.8
[11:12] <Artemis_Fowl> apachelogger: uploaded
[11:12] <apachelogger> hooray \o/
[11:12] <Artemis_Fowl> apachelogger: sf...omg i need an ftp client now
[11:13] <apachelogger> now... if you would host the source on KDE's mirror network .... ;-)
[11:14] <apachelogger> Artemis_Fowl: well, if I was you, I would drop tarball uploading to sf.net
[11:14] <apachelogger> I only did that once, and then I had Amarok switch to KDE because I almost went nuts with sf.net
[11:15] <Artemis_Fowl> I AM nuts with sf :)
[11:15] <apachelogger> well, just stop using it :P
[11:15] <apachelogger> besides, launchpad is way cooler anyway ;-)
[11:15] <apachelogger> + you could probably have your translations in launchpad
[11:16] <apachelogger> anyway
[11:16] <Artemis_Fowl> launchpad allows for tarball uploading?
[11:16] <apachelogger> I think so
[11:16] <Artemis_Fowl> good I might consider changing there then
[11:17] <apachelogger> well
[11:17] <apachelogger> Artemis_Fowl: you should checkout all the alternatives
[11:18] <apachelogger> IMHO using the KDE infrastructure makes a lot more sense for KDE applications
[11:18] <apachelogger> you might not have webbased translation like in launchpad but you have ~50 teams for high quality translation
[11:18] <Artemis_Fowl> you mean KDE svn?
[11:18] <apachelogger> yes
[11:18] <apachelogger> + ftp.kde.org
[11:19] <apachelogger> we also have release scripts for extragear/playground applications
[11:20]  * Artemis_Fowl got a headache with all these alternatives
[11:20] <Artemis_Fowl> :)
[11:20] <apachelogger> :)
[11:26] <Artemis_Fowl> apachelogger: the new tarball is ok, right?
[11:28] <apachelogger> Artemis_Fowl: the directory should have a -VERSION suffix, but I can live without it :)
[11:28] <Artemis_Fowl> ok
[11:40] <Artemis_Fowl> When did SF implement the new WebUpload feature? nice
[11:52] <apachelogger> didn't they always have it?
[11:54] <apachelogger> Artemis_Fowl: does 0.8 compile with KDE 4.0?
[11:54] <Artemis_Fowl> dunno. just noticed it
[11:55] <Artemis_Fowl> apachelogger: dunno either
[11:55] <Artemis_Fowl> apachelogger: it surely needs 4.0.4
[11:55] <apachelogger> !info kde4libs
[11:55] <Artemis_Fowl> apachelogger: but I could have used a function that was introduced in KDE 4.1
[11:55] <apachelogger> !info kdelibs5
[11:55] <apachelogger> well, we don't have 4.0.4 in hardy anyway
[12:03] <apachelogger> Artemis_Fowl: the desktop file is missing a final newline
[12:04] <Artemis_Fowl> apachelogger: anything else wrong? so as to fix them all together and re-upload
[12:05] <apachelogger> Artemis_Fowl: don't see anything else
[12:05] <apachelogger> Riddell: the desktop file changes don't handle missing newlines very well
[12:06] <apachelogger> http://paste.ubuntu.com/36808/
[12:08] <nixternal> Riddell: well, last night kicked off the first leg of the kubuntu-docs...a major restructuring and now jjesse and I are going to start attacking
[12:14] <apachelogger> Artemis_Fowl: how to use kgrubeditor as systemsettings module?
[12:14] <Artemis_Fowl> apachelogger: re-uploading
[12:14] <Artemis_Fowl> apachelogger: can't right now
[12:15] <Artemis_Fowl> apachelogger: tomorrow I'll publish the System Settings module
[12:15] <Artemis_Fowl> or in 2 days
[12:15] <apachelogger> Artemis_Fowl: independent tarball?
[12:15] <Artemis_Fowl> apachelogger: yes
[12:15] <Riddell> nixternal: rock
[12:15] <apachelogger> Artemis_Fowl: why?
[12:15] <Riddell> davmor2-away: was knetworkmanager working on the live CD?
[12:16] <Artemis_Fowl> would it be better if they were bundled together?
[12:17] <apachelogger> Artemis_Fowl: well, 2 tarballs doubles the work ;-)
[12:17] <apachelogger> and packages will probably split the systemsettings module in an individual package anyway
[12:18] <apachelogger> s/packages/packagers
[12:18] <Artemis_Fowl> well I hope some GNOME guy will eventually work on a GNOME counterpart so that I won't have to work on the application
[12:18] <Artemis_Fowl> and focus on the module
[12:19] <Artemis_Fowl> apachelogger: tarball at kde-apps updated
[12:20] <apachelogger> well, it still makes sense to release it as all-in-one tarball since the various parts probably depend on the most recent version of the application anyway, right?
[12:22] <Artemis_Fowl> well I would have to double the code inside the tarball
[12:23] <Artemis_Fowl> one subdir for the app and another for the kcm probably
[12:25] <Artemis_Fowl> sf tarball updated too
[12:30] <seele> Artemis_Fowl: whoo, grats on the release
[12:41] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: pong
[12:43] <Artemis_Fowl> seele: thanx. apachelogger is already working on the package
[12:45] <seele> awesome.. once there is a package, maybe i can get some users to install it and use it for some feedback
[12:48] <Artemis_Fowl> ok
[12:53]  * apachelogger is wondering
[12:54] <apachelogger> ah, right, JontheEchidna do you have a list-missing log from hardy kdelibs?
[12:54] <apachelogger> Artemis_Fowl: double as in duplicate? :P
[12:55] <apachelogger> if not duplicate then the double doesn't matte ;-)
[12:55] <apachelogger> *matter
[12:55] <JontheEchidna> Hmm, nope
[12:56] <apachelogger> this is gonna be fun
[12:57] <Artemis_Fowl> double as in creating a separate subdir, where the code would be slightly modified
[12:58] <Artemis_Fowl> many little modifications
[13:07] <Riddell> has anyone tried knetworkmanager 0.7?
[13:07] <apachelogger> it seems to be working
[13:07] <apachelogger> but it's not exactly the most usable piece of software :S
[13:11] <Riddell> ok, that's better than I have
[13:59] <davmor2> Riddell: I haven't tried the kubuntu version yet I'm about to after I sort out this bug report with seb128
[14:08] <davmor2> Riddell: any thing else you need checking while it's running?
[14:13] <Riddell> davmor2: does Settings->Printing work
[14:14] <davmor2> Riddell: so that printing and networking anything else?
[14:14] <Riddell> is all for now
[14:17] <davmor2> np's fire it up shortly
[14:44] <davmor2> Riddell: printing is a no go. It's collating a report though so I'll add to my original bug
[14:45] <Riddell> davmor2: humph
[14:45] <Riddell> davmor2: what happens if you start system-config-printer-kde on the command line?
[14:48] <davmor2> Riddell: File "/usr/share/system-config-printer-kde.py", line 74, in <module>
[14:48] <davmor2> import ppds
[14:48] <davmor2> ImportError: No module named ppds
[14:48] <Riddell> davmor2: what version is installed?
[14:48] <davmor2> what the command to get the version I forget
[14:50] <Riddell> apt-cache policy system-config-printer-kde
[14:50] <davmor2> policy thats the one :)
[14:50] <davmor2> installed 0.10
[14:51] <Riddell> hmmmm
[14:51] <davmor2> on a plus side interent is working :)
[14:53] <Riddell> davmor2: is python-cupshelpers installed?
[14:54] <davmor2> installed 1.0.4+git20080730-0ubuntu1
[14:54] <davmor2> Riddell: ^
[14:54] <Riddell> hmm
[14:56] <Riddell> oh, my upload didn't seem to work
[14:56] <Riddell> wrong version number
[14:57] <davmor2> Riddell: so that'll be a no then :)
[15:00] <Riddell> davmor2: could you install http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/system-config-printer-kde_0.11_all.deb
[15:08] <davmor2> Seems to work test page just coming through
[15:09] <Riddell> excellent
[15:09] <Riddell> thanks davmor2
[15:09] <Riddell> uploaded, should appear in tomorrow's daily
[15:09] <davmor2> Riddell: yeap test page is fine :)
[15:20] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: ping
[15:21] <apachelogger> oh wello
[15:21] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: plese backport kgrubeditor
[15:25] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: Where would I get it from?
[15:25] <mornfall> Anyone has anything they want fixed for adept 3 beta 1? My "must" list is empty, there are a few should items still. I'll try to address that tomorrow and release maybe on Thursday?
[15:26] <mornfall> I'll only fix major bugs past beta 1 and there will be at most beta 2 and then final...
[15:31] <JontheEchidna> Hmm, there's nothing that springs to mind,  I'd say Adept is in pretty good shape already
[15:31] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: intrepid
[15:31] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: coolness
[15:32] <JontheEchidna> 0.7-ubuntu1?
[15:33] <apachelogger> hm
[15:33] <apachelogger> no
[15:33] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kgrubeditor
[15:34] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: and don't forget to remove the manpage ;-)
[15:34] <JontheEchidna> ;-)
[15:38] <raphink> hello there
[15:39] <raphink> is anyone with the kubuntu2 theme on the wiki experiencing issues with the website?
[15:40] <apachelogger> ryanakca: ^
[15:42] <JontheEchidna> ok, I've imported debian/cdbs from a hardy package + updated the rules file, and updated the changelog
[15:43] <JontheEchidna> I'm not missing anything, am I?
[15:43]  * JontheEchidna is about to pbuild
[15:44] <apachelogger> kick the manpage
[15:44] <apachelogger> that's all I think
[15:45] <apachelogger> doesn't take very long to build anyway :)
[15:46] <JontheEchidna> oh yah, kicked the manpage too
[15:46] <JontheEchidna> getting the pbuild environment...
[15:46] <Jucato> raphink: I can't even login now... AttributeError
[15:47] <raphink> Jucato: yes, same as me http://pastebin.ca/1168083
[15:47] <raphink> Jucato: is that what you get?
[15:47] <raphink> Jucato: I'm on #canonical-sysadmin reporting it if you want to join
[15:47] <Jucato> raphink: yes it is
[15:49] <raphink> Jucato: can you join #canonical-sysadmin ?
[15:49] <Jucato> ok
[15:51] <jpds> Jucato, raphink: I suggest poke newz2000 in #ubuntu-website about the theme, he made it.
[15:52] <raphink> agy is having a look at it atm jpds :)
[15:53] <jpds> raphink: OK (I saw ;-)), the wiki had an upgrade recently and the theme may require one too.
[15:56] <Jucato> jpds: oh btw, while you're here, what does ubot5 do? :)
[15:56] <jpds> Jucato: What ubottu does.
[15:57] <Jucato> jpds: hm ok... just saw it in #ubuntu-ph... just wondered :)
[15:57] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: are you going to package qt firefox?
[15:57] <JontheEchidna> hmm
[15:57] <JontheEchidna> I was thinking about it but
[15:58] <JontheEchidna> I'm not quite sure how to make it co-installable with firefox
[15:58] <JontheEchidna> unless that's not possible?
[15:59] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: I guess you can just use a different prefix like we did for KDE 4
[15:59] <apachelogger> Will distributions package it?
[15:59] <apachelogger> That would be interesting to know. Maybe Kubuntu would like to have it...
[15:59] <apachelogger> just thinking we should get that finished today and grab some karma :P
[16:00] <JontheEchidna> actually in it's current state
[16:00] <JontheEchidna> it's unusable
[16:00] <raphink> speaking of firefox, I have a package for freepv, which is an open-source QuickTime VR viewer with a mozilla plugin
[16:00] <JontheEchidna> basically
[16:01] <raphink> if anyone is interested in interactive panos
[16:01] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: that doesn't matter
[16:01] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: it's all about the promotion
[16:03] <apachelogger> did anyone try kobby yet?
[16:03] <JontheEchidna> Currently they're working on getting the Firefox-Qt repo into the main repo as a branch
[16:03] <JontheEchidna> maybe we could wait for that and get the ubuntu mozilla team to package it
[16:03] <JontheEchidna> \o/
[16:04] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: how would that draw attention to kubuntu :P
[16:04] <JontheEchidna> :P
[16:04] <JontheEchidna> I guess having mozilla-qt packages would be pretty attention-getting
[16:04] <apachelogger> nah
[16:04] <apachelogger> we need them now
[16:04] <apachelogger> right now
[16:05] <JontheEchidna> lol, -0ubuntu1 turned into -0ubuntu~hardy1~ppa1
[16:06] <JontheEchidna> ok, pbuildin' now
[16:07] <apachelogger> *snapshotting mozilla-qt*
[16:11] <JontheEchidna> beware autoconf hell
[16:12] <JontheEchidna> would you like my ~/.mozconfig file?
[16:12] <apachelogger> sure
[16:12]  * apachelogger is worse than google :P
[16:15] <JontheEchidna> oh wait, I need to edit it
[16:15] <JontheEchidna> btw, mozilla-qt doesn't build with gcc 4.3 without patches
[16:16] <yuriy> mornfall: I haven't looked it in a while and don't know if there's anything more pressing, but menus would be nice before anybody screams about it
[16:17] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: it's in your inbox
[16:18] <mornfall> yuriy: Hmm, menus.
[16:18] <mornfall> A tricky one.
[16:18] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: thx
[16:18] <mornfall> But it does make sense indeed.
[16:19] <yuriy> it would be tricky to make kactions for the sidebar items?
[16:20] <mornfall> yuriy: Would we make any use of that? I sort of doubt that...
[16:20] <mornfall> Although.
[16:20] <mornfall> Dunno.
[16:20] <mornfall> It's not very easy and probably regression-prone.
[16:20] <mornfall> I'd leave that for later, if the need arises.
[16:21] <yuriy> if it's not easy then you can probably punt for now
[16:21] <mornfall> (Actually. No, it might be easier than what I have thought.)
[16:21] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=449566
[16:27] <mornfall> yuriy: Okey, adding createGUI() call into ctor gives me a working Help menu.
[16:29] <yuriy> yep, I'd already done that before I realized there were no kactions to use in the xml and haven't had a chance to work on it since
[16:29] <mornfall> I'll at least add the standard actions. Well, Quit.
[16:38] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: usual autohell is nothing compared to this :P
[16:41] <JontheEchidna> yay, it builds
[16:41] <JontheEchidna> anybody care to test it? I'm uploading it to kubuntu-updates-testing ppa
[16:42] <JontheEchidna> (kgrubeditor)
[16:43] <apachelogger> wah
[16:43] <apachelogger> half an hour of batter
[16:43] <apachelogger> this is no good
[16:44] <apachelogger> yay, I have a configur file!
[16:49] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: doing a manual build right now
[16:49] <apachelogger> how long is that gonna take?
[16:50] <JontheEchidna> Hmm, my estimates put it on about the same level as kdelibs
[17:22] <mornfall> How do you install xmlui stuff with cmake?
[17:24] <Riddell> install( FILES umbrelloui.rc DESTINATION ${DATA_INSTALL_DIR}/umbrello )
[17:24] <Riddell> mornfall: is how we do it in umbrello
[17:24] <mornfall> Aye, thanks.
[17:28] <mornfall> yuriy: I have added the sidebar actions, help menu, quit, and update/commit. Anything obvious and easy to add?
[17:28] <mornfall> (Maybe an action to do upgrade, switching the tab to preview could be useful. Hmm.)
[17:29] <mornfall> Well, later.
[17:29] <mornfall> Gotta run now.
[17:29] <yuriy> mornfall: I think that's it. awesome, bye!
[17:33] <apachelogger> this will never finish
[17:33] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: is kgrub done?
[17:36] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: in k-u-t
[17:36] <JontheEchidna> nobody's taken up the offer to test
[17:36] <apachelogger> I'll use my vm
[17:37] <JontheEchidna> cool
[17:37] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: do you have anything to do right now?
[17:37] <JontheEchidna> not really
[17:37] <JontheEchidna> I have been going through dolphin in Launchpad
[17:37] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: the kdelibs backport has a quirk
[17:37] <apachelogger> the file all_languages is missing
[17:38] <JontheEchidna> iirc
[17:38] <apachelogger> should be in /usr/lib/kde4/share/locale/all_languages I think
[17:38] <JontheEchidna> that's in the not installed list
[17:38] <apachelogger> well in the not-installed file it is
[17:38] <apachelogger> thing is, it should be in usr/lib/kde4 because it's also there in kde-nightly
[17:38] <apachelogger> but I am not sure
[17:41] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: how does one know it's actually Qt firefox?
[17:41] <JontheEchidna> what do you mean?
[17:41] <JontheEchidna> well if you go to google
[17:41] <JontheEchidna> the pushbuttons should look oxygen-y
[17:42] <apachelogger> hm
[17:42] <JontheEchidna> and unless they're using your icon theme the forward/back buttons don't have icons
[17:42] <apachelogger> in this case I have firefox-qt running
[17:42] <apachelogger> horrible
[17:42] <apachelogger> on to the packaging!
[17:42]  * apachelogger is wondering how to best go about this
[17:42] <apachelogger> also I should strip the tarball
[17:43] <apachelogger> loads of unneeded stuff
[17:49] <apachelogger> http://aplg.kollide.net/images/snapshot056.png
[17:49] <apachelogger> hm
[17:49] <apachelogger> dark clouds
[17:49] <apachelogger> like, really dark
[17:50] <eagles0513875> i have a question where exactly in the kernel do i choose which packages are installed by default
[17:51] <Riddell> !
[17:51] <eagles0513875> ?
[17:51] <apachelogger> .
[17:51] <eagles0513875> Riddell: im working on starting my own ubuntu server fork
[17:52] <eagles0513875> for clustering and eventually more
[17:52] <apachelogger> eagles0513875: I am pretty sure this kind of stuff is defined in the cd seeds
[17:52] <eagles0513875> u lost me
[17:52] <eagles0513875> *you
[17:52] <apachelogger> sorry :(
[17:53] <Riddell> packages have nothing to do with any kernel
[17:53] <eagles0513875> okj where do i define what packages r installed by default
[17:54] <yuriy> eagles0513875: there are howtos and tools for customizing Ubuntu CDs, search for them on Google
[17:54] <eagles0513875> thanks
[17:55] <Riddell> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCDCustomization for example
[17:55]  * Riddell out
[18:10] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: apparently tabs and buttons, etc look so horrible in FF-Qt because they haven't ported XUL to use Qt yet, or so says the dot.kde.org interview with the dev
[18:30] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: yeah, I know
[18:30] <apachelogger> xul is rather awful anyway :P
[18:32] <JontheEchidna> they should just drop it for Qt
[18:32] <JontheEchidna> that way they don't have to stumble over themselves hacking away at half-working integration ports
[18:32] <JontheEchidna> and just use one codebase
[19:29] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: got an opinion on bug 256064?
[20:50] <\sh> apachelogger: inGardenWithCoffeeHaXX0ring(tm) ? <- doesn't it mean in a gadda da vida ? ,->
[20:50] <\sh> I mean, the original title was "in the garden of eden" but this guy was so stoned, he didn't get it ,->
[20:52] <\sh> JontheEchidna: that's normal... the session manager and all other apps don't recognize the kill -<whatever> signal...and they don't save all the things they do normally when you end the session normally
[20:53] <\sh> JontheEchidna: to change it, you need to know what's being send when pressing ctrl+alt+backspace and catch those things, and handle it as "SIGNAL(quit())"
[20:54] <\sh> aehm...kapp.SIGNAL("quit()");
[22:39] <a|wen> yuriy: regarding bug 256910 (problem is that wineconfig doesn't work if Z: drive is present) ... will wineconfig survive; if not I'll mark is at "wontfix", or do you want me to do something else with it?
[23:26] <apachelogger> \sh: true
[23:26] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna, \sh: about the x restart -> IMHO applications should just save settings on-the-fly
[23:26] <apachelogger> so it's a valid wishfrom my POV
[23:27]  * JontheEchidna doesn't have wish-setting powers
[23:27] <JontheEchidna> I need to see about joining the bugcontrol team to get them
[23:28] <apachelogger> become motu :P
[23:28] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: that wish also should be fwded upstream
[23:30]  * apachelogger is copying the quite big firefox-qt package to his workstation
[23:46] <alleeMac> http://paste.ubuntu.com/36977  first problem could IMHO be fixed if kubuntu-kde4-desktop would depend on kdebase-runtime and not kdebase-runtime-*-kde4 pkgs
[23:47] <apachelogger> no
[23:47] <apachelogger> the issue is at a much deeper level
[23:47] <alleeMac> apachelogger: care to elaborate
[23:49] <apachelogger> alleeMac: one of kdebase-runtime's deps can't upgrade forcing kdebase-runtime to not upgrade, while -bin-kde4 is to be upgraded making the complete upgrade fail
[23:57] <alleeMac> mhmm, ksysguard-kde4 depends on kdebase-runtime, not kdebase-runtime-bin-kde4.  that's not consistent but should be no problem ...
[23:58] <alleeMac> umhmm.  The problem asks for a virtual machine to try it with --dry-run