[00:40] http://dot.kde.org/1218497374/ [00:40] nice banner === jjesse__ is now known as jjesse [02:53] Right What does Kubuntu use for sound? [02:53] phonon is the backend i think its called [02:53] No below that [02:54] If I play something from the command line what enables me to get sound from there? [02:54] depends on how you play the sound or what you use to play it [02:54] morning Jucato [02:54] strictly speaking there is no "sound" for the command line. [02:55] jjesse: hallo [02:55] oh, and phonon uses xine by default, but it can use gstreamer too I think [02:55] Well if I play sound from the command line I get nothing [02:55] If I start up KDE then sound emits gracefully from the speakers [02:56] If I close KDE then sound continues to flirt in harmony with my ears [02:56] what program are you trying to use to play sound in the console? [02:56] My Conclusion? KDE starts something that enables sound [02:56] of course, because KDE has a sound "server" (arts for KDE 3, phonon for KDE 4) that lets it play sounds [02:56] mplayer [02:56] Pretty much un KDE related [02:56] so if you use "mplayer in the command line nothing comes out? [02:56] I can use oggplay as welll [02:57] nothing happens until I load KDE [02:57] then Sound!!! [02:57] * Jucato also wonders why this is in -devel... [02:57] Because it might be a bug? [02:57] I'm not a sound expert, but I have a feeling ALSA isn't getting loaded [02:58] Except I don't think I have alsa installed at all [02:58] ... [03:00] I don't have alsamixer I should say [03:01] Which thinking about it is strange [03:01] isn't Kmix just a frontend for that [03:01] no [03:02] I'm guessing the KDE desktop starts some DBUS interface for sound? [03:05] though this is much more gettin into #kubuntu land [07:58] Riddell: does kubuntu create standard folders in ~ just on new install or on upgrade too? [07:58] seele: not entirely sure, it's done by the xdg-user-dirs-update tool [07:59] seele: I think it makes them if /home/jr/.config/user-dirs.dirs doesn't exist [07:59] maybe the man page says [08:02] even if there were a man page, i have doubts it would be that useful [08:03] hum.. well google was useless too [08:04] Riddell: would it be referenced by anything besides xdg-user-dirs-update or xdg-user-dirs? the freedesktop documentation is lacking [08:06] hum, i guess i can do an upgrade and an install when i get home and see what happens [08:07] those are always fun :) [08:09] http://freedesktop.org/wiki/Specifications/common-user-directories-naming-spec ? [08:09] is somewhat lacking [08:11] is hardy using xdg? i dont rememberthe standard folders until i started testing the kde4 cds [08:11] it should be [08:12] ok, then i guess it is a nonissue [08:13] it would be annoying that if you upgraded an existing system (and file structure) you magically got mapped media folders added automatically [08:13] becausyou probably already have a music, photos, and document management scheme set up somehow [08:16] seele: hardy does have xdg-user-dirs [08:17] Riddell: ok cool. [10:33] Alternative 20080812 is knackered libxine1-ffmepg: Depends: libavcodec51 (>= 3:0.svn20080206) but is not installabe [11:01] seele: KGRUBEditor 0.8 is out [11:01] http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=75442 [11:01] and my blog post (as well as a visual changelog) about it: http://artfowl.blogspot.com/2008/08/new-kgrubeditor-version-08-visual.html [11:02] apachelogger: ping [11:07] Artemis_Fowl: pong [11:07] Artemis_Fowl: tarball broken [11:07] broken? [11:07] Artemis_Fowl: it doesn't have a directory containing the source tree [11:07] i.e. it just spread all it's files in my main directory :P [11:08] oh [11:08] damn [11:08] :) [11:08] I used the tar command [11:08] w8 to repack then [11:09] Artemis_Fowl: don't you have a release script? [11:10] no [11:10] now... if you would host the source in KDE's svn .... ;-) [11:11] JontheEchidna: ping [11:11] apachelogger: uploading [11:12] Artemis_Fowl: sf.net also needs 0.8 [11:12] apachelogger: uploaded [11:12] hooray \o/ [11:12] apachelogger: sf...omg i need an ftp client now [11:13] now... if you would host the source on KDE's mirror network .... ;-) [11:14] Artemis_Fowl: well, if I was you, I would drop tarball uploading to sf.net [11:14] I only did that once, and then I had Amarok switch to KDE because I almost went nuts with sf.net [11:15] I AM nuts with sf :) [11:15] well, just stop using it :P [11:15] besides, launchpad is way cooler anyway ;-) [11:15] + you could probably have your translations in launchpad [11:16] anyway [11:16] launchpad allows for tarball uploading? [11:16] I think so [11:16] good I might consider changing there then [11:17] well [11:17] Artemis_Fowl: you should checkout all the alternatives [11:18] IMHO using the KDE infrastructure makes a lot more sense for KDE applications [11:18] you might not have webbased translation like in launchpad but you have ~50 teams for high quality translation [11:18] you mean KDE svn? [11:18] yes [11:18] + ftp.kde.org [11:19] we also have release scripts for extragear/playground applications [11:20] * Artemis_Fowl got a headache with all these alternatives [11:20] :) [11:20] :) [11:26] apachelogger: the new tarball is ok, right? === davmor2 is now known as davmor2-away [11:28] Artemis_Fowl: the directory should have a -VERSION suffix, but I can live without it :) [11:28] ok [11:40] When did SF implement the new WebUpload feature? nice [11:52] didn't they always have it? [11:54] Artemis_Fowl: does 0.8 compile with KDE 4.0? [11:54] dunno. just noticed it [11:55] apachelogger: dunno either [11:55] apachelogger: it surely needs 4.0.4 [11:55] !info kde4libs [11:55] Package kde4libs does not exist in hardy [11:55] apachelogger: but I could have used a function that was introduced in KDE 4.1 [11:55] !info kdelibs5 [11:55] kdelibs5 (source: kde4libs): core libraries for all KDE 4 applications. In component universe, is optional. Version 4:4.0.3-0ubuntu5.2 (hardy), package size 7862 kB, installed size 22328 kB [11:55] well, we don't have 4.0.4 in hardy anyway [12:03] Artemis_Fowl: the desktop file is missing a final newline [12:04] apachelogger: anything else wrong? so as to fix them all together and re-upload [12:05] Artemis_Fowl: don't see anything else [12:05] Riddell: the desktop file changes don't handle missing newlines very well [12:06] http://paste.ubuntu.com/36808/ === glatzor_ is now known as glatzor [12:08] Riddell: well, last night kicked off the first leg of the kubuntu-docs...a major restructuring and now jjesse and I are going to start attacking [12:14] Artemis_Fowl: how to use kgrubeditor as systemsettings module? [12:14] apachelogger: re-uploading [12:14] apachelogger: can't right now [12:15] apachelogger: tomorrow I'll publish the System Settings module [12:15] or in 2 days [12:15] Artemis_Fowl: independent tarball? [12:15] apachelogger: yes [12:15] nixternal: rock [12:15] Artemis_Fowl: why? [12:15] davmor2-away: was knetworkmanager working on the live CD? [12:16] would it be better if they were bundled together? [12:17] Artemis_Fowl: well, 2 tarballs doubles the work ;-) [12:17] and packages will probably split the systemsettings module in an individual package anyway [12:18] s/packages/packagers [12:18] well I hope some GNOME guy will eventually work on a GNOME counterpart so that I won't have to work on the application [12:18] and focus on the module [12:19] apachelogger: tarball at kde-apps updated [12:20] well, it still makes sense to release it as all-in-one tarball since the various parts probably depend on the most recent version of the application anyway, right? [12:22] well I would have to double the code inside the tarball [12:23] one subdir for the app and another for the kcm probably [12:25] sf tarball updated too [12:30] Artemis_Fowl: whoo, grats on the release [12:41] apachelogger: pong [12:43] seele: thanx. apachelogger is already working on the package [12:45] awesome.. once there is a package, maybe i can get some users to install it and use it for some feedback [12:48] ok [12:53] * apachelogger is wondering [12:54] ah, right, JontheEchidna do you have a list-missing log from hardy kdelibs? [12:54] Artemis_Fowl: double as in duplicate? :P [12:55] if not duplicate then the double doesn't matte ;-) [12:55] *matter [12:55] Hmm, nope [12:56] this is gonna be fun [12:57] double as in creating a separate subdir, where the code would be slightly modified [12:58] many little modifications [13:07] has anyone tried knetworkmanager 0.7? [13:07] it seems to be working [13:07] but it's not exactly the most usable piece of software :S [13:11] ok, that's better than I have === thunderstruck is now known as gnomefreak === davmor2-away is now known as davmor2 [13:59] Riddell: I haven't tried the kubuntu version yet I'm about to after I sort out this bug report with seb128 [14:08] Riddell: any thing else you need checking while it's running? [14:13] davmor2: does Settings->Printing work [14:14] Riddell: so that printing and networking anything else? [14:14] is all for now [14:17] np's fire it up shortly [14:44] Riddell: printing is a no go. It's collating a report though so I'll add to my original bug [14:45] davmor2: humph [14:45] davmor2: what happens if you start system-config-printer-kde on the command line? [14:48] Riddell: File "/usr/share/system-config-printer-kde.py", line 74, in [14:48] import ppds [14:48] ImportError: No module named ppds [14:48] davmor2: what version is installed? [14:48] what the command to get the version I forget [14:50] apt-cache policy system-config-printer-kde [14:50] policy thats the one :) [14:50] installed 0.10 [14:51] hmmmm [14:51] on a plus side interent is working :) [14:53] davmor2: is python-cupshelpers installed? [14:54] installed 1.0.4+git20080730-0ubuntu1 [14:54] Riddell: ^ [14:54] hmm [14:56] oh, my upload didn't seem to work [14:56] wrong version number [14:57] Riddell: so that'll be a no then :) [15:00] davmor2: could you install http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/system-config-printer-kde_0.11_all.deb [15:08] Seems to work test page just coming through [15:09] excellent [15:09] thanks davmor2 [15:09] uploaded, should appear in tomorrow's daily [15:09] Riddell: yeap test page is fine :) [15:20] JontheEchidna: ping [15:21] oh wello [15:21] JontheEchidna: plese backport kgrubeditor [15:25] apachelogger: Where would I get it from? [15:25] Anyone has anything they want fixed for adept 3 beta 1? My "must" list is empty, there are a few should items still. I'll try to address that tomorrow and release maybe on Thursday? [15:26] I'll only fix major bugs past beta 1 and there will be at most beta 2 and then final... [15:31] Hmm, there's nothing that springs to mind, I'd say Adept is in pretty good shape already [15:31] JontheEchidna: intrepid [15:31] apachelogger: coolness [15:32] 0.7-ubuntu1? [15:33] hm [15:33] no [15:33] JontheEchidna: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kgrubeditor [15:34] JontheEchidna: and don't forget to remove the manpage ;-) [15:34] ;-) [15:38] hello there [15:39] is anyone with the kubuntu2 theme on the wiki experiencing issues with the website? [15:40] ryanakca: ^ [15:42] ok, I've imported debian/cdbs from a hardy package + updated the rules file, and updated the changelog [15:43] I'm not missing anything, am I? [15:43] * JontheEchidna is about to pbuild [15:44] kick the manpage [15:44] that's all I think [15:45] doesn't take very long to build anyway :) [15:46] oh yah, kicked the manpage too [15:46] getting the pbuild environment... [15:46] raphink: I can't even login now... AttributeError [15:47] Jucato: yes, same as me http://pastebin.ca/1168083 [15:47] Jucato: is that what you get? [15:47] Jucato: I'm on #canonical-sysadmin reporting it if you want to join [15:47] raphink: yes it is [15:49] Jucato: can you join #canonical-sysadmin ? [15:49] ok [15:51] Jucato, raphink: I suggest poke newz2000 in #ubuntu-website about the theme, he made it. [15:52] agy is having a look at it atm jpds :) [15:53] raphink: OK (I saw ;-)), the wiki had an upgrade recently and the theme may require one too. [15:56] jpds: oh btw, while you're here, what does ubot5 do? :) [15:56] Jucato: What ubottu does. [15:57] jpds: hm ok... just saw it in #ubuntu-ph... just wondered :) [15:57] JontheEchidna: are you going to package qt firefox? [15:57] hmm [15:57] I was thinking about it but [15:58] I'm not quite sure how to make it co-installable with firefox [15:58] unless that's not possible? [15:59] JontheEchidna: I guess you can just use a different prefix like we did for KDE 4 [15:59] Will distributions package it? [15:59] That would be interesting to know. Maybe Kubuntu would like to have it... [15:59] just thinking we should get that finished today and grab some karma :P [16:00] actually in it's current state [16:00] it's unusable [16:00] speaking of firefox, I have a package for freepv, which is an open-source QuickTime VR viewer with a mozilla plugin [16:00] basically [16:01] if anyone is interested in interactive panos [16:01] JontheEchidna: that doesn't matter [16:01] JontheEchidna: it's all about the promotion [16:03] did anyone try kobby yet? [16:03] Currently they're working on getting the Firefox-Qt repo into the main repo as a branch [16:03] maybe we could wait for that and get the ubuntu mozilla team to package it [16:03] \o/ [16:04] JontheEchidna: how would that draw attention to kubuntu :P [16:04] :P [16:04] I guess having mozilla-qt packages would be pretty attention-getting [16:04] nah [16:04] we need them now [16:04] right now [16:05] lol, -0ubuntu1 turned into -0ubuntu~hardy1~ppa1 [16:06] ok, pbuildin' now [16:07] *snapshotting mozilla-qt* [16:11] beware autoconf hell [16:12] would you like my ~/.mozconfig file? [16:12] sure [16:12] * apachelogger is worse than google :P [16:15] oh wait, I need to edit it [16:15] btw, mozilla-qt doesn't build with gcc 4.3 without patches [16:16] mornfall: I haven't looked it in a while and don't know if there's anything more pressing, but menus would be nice before anybody screams about it [16:17] apachelogger: it's in your inbox [16:18] yuriy: Hmm, menus. [16:18] A tricky one. [16:18] JontheEchidna: thx [16:18] But it does make sense indeed. [16:19] it would be tricky to make kactions for the sidebar items? [16:20] yuriy: Would we make any use of that? I sort of doubt that... [16:20] Although. [16:20] Dunno. [16:20] It's not very easy and probably regression-prone. [16:20] I'd leave that for later, if the need arises. [16:21] if it's not easy then you can probably punt for now [16:21] (Actually. No, it might be easier than what I have thought.) [16:21] apachelogger: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=449566 [16:21] Mozilla bug 449566 in Widget: Qt "cairo-qpainter-surface.cpp fails to compile with gcc 4.3.x" [Normal,Unconfirmed] [16:27] yuriy: Okey, adding createGUI() call into ctor gives me a working Help menu. [16:29] yep, I'd already done that before I realized there were no kactions to use in the xml and haven't had a chance to work on it since [16:29] I'll at least add the standard actions. Well, Quit. === blizzzek is now known as blizzz [16:38] JontheEchidna: usual autohell is nothing compared to this :P [16:41] yay, it builds [16:41] anybody care to test it? I'm uploading it to kubuntu-updates-testing ppa [16:42] (kgrubeditor) [16:43] wah [16:43] half an hour of batter [16:43] this is no good [16:44] yay, I have a configur file! [16:49] JontheEchidna: doing a manual build right now [16:49] how long is that gonna take? [16:50] Hmm, my estimates put it on about the same level as kdelibs [17:22] How do you install xmlui stuff with cmake? [17:24] install( FILES umbrelloui.rc DESTINATION ${DATA_INSTALL_DIR}/umbrello ) [17:24] mornfall: is how we do it in umbrello [17:24] Aye, thanks. [17:28] yuriy: I have added the sidebar actions, help menu, quit, and update/commit. Anything obvious and easy to add? [17:28] (Maybe an action to do upgrade, switching the tab to preview could be useful. Hmm.) [17:29] Well, later. [17:29] Gotta run now. [17:29] mornfall: I think that's it. awesome, bye! [17:33] this will never finish [17:33] JontheEchidna: is kgrub done? [17:36] apachelogger: in k-u-t [17:36] nobody's taken up the offer to test [17:36] I'll use my vm [17:37] cool [17:37] JontheEchidna: do you have anything to do right now? [17:37] not really [17:37] I have been going through dolphin in Launchpad [17:37] JontheEchidna: the kdelibs backport has a quirk [17:37] the file all_languages is missing [17:38] iirc [17:38] should be in /usr/lib/kde4/share/locale/all_languages I think [17:38] that's in the not installed list [17:38] well in the not-installed file it is [17:38] thing is, it should be in usr/lib/kde4 because it's also there in kde-nightly [17:38] but I am not sure [17:41] JontheEchidna: how does one know it's actually Qt firefox? [17:41] what do you mean? [17:41] well if you go to google [17:41] the pushbuttons should look oxygen-y [17:42] hm [17:42] and unless they're using your icon theme the forward/back buttons don't have icons [17:42] in this case I have firefox-qt running [17:42] horrible [17:42] on to the packaging! [17:42] * apachelogger is wondering how to best go about this [17:42] also I should strip the tarball [17:43] loads of unneeded stuff [17:49] http://aplg.kollide.net/images/snapshot056.png [17:49] hm [17:49] dark clouds [17:49] like, really dark [17:50] i have a question where exactly in the kernel do i choose which packages are installed by default [17:51] ! [17:51] ? [17:51] . [17:51] Riddell: im working on starting my own ubuntu server fork [17:52] for clustering and eventually more [17:52] eagles0513875: I am pretty sure this kind of stuff is defined in the cd seeds [17:52] u lost me [17:52] *you [17:52] sorry :( [17:53] packages have nothing to do with any kernel [17:53] okj where do i define what packages r installed by default [17:54] eagles0513875: there are howtos and tools for customizing Ubuntu CDs, search for them on Google [17:54] thanks [17:55] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCDCustomization for example [17:55] * Riddell out [18:10] apachelogger: apparently tabs and buttons, etc look so horrible in FF-Qt because they haven't ported XUL to use Qt yet, or so says the dot.kde.org interview with the dev [18:30] JontheEchidna: yeah, I know [18:30] xul is rather awful anyway :P [18:32] they should just drop it for Qt [18:32] that way they don't have to stumble over themselves hacking away at half-working integration ports [18:32] and just use one codebase [19:29] apachelogger: got an opinion on bug 256064? [19:29] Launchpad bug 256064 in meta-kde "KDE4.1 - Desktop settings not preserved if I restart X" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/256064 [20:50] <\sh> apachelogger: inGardenWithCoffeeHaXX0ring(tm) ? <- doesn't it mean in a gadda da vida ? ,-> [20:50] <\sh> I mean, the original title was "in the garden of eden" but this guy was so stoned, he didn't get it ,-> [20:52] <\sh> JontheEchidna: that's normal... the session manager and all other apps don't recognize the kill - signal...and they don't save all the things they do normally when you end the session normally [20:53] <\sh> JontheEchidna: to change it, you need to know what's being send when pressing ctrl+alt+backspace and catch those things, and handle it as "SIGNAL(quit())" [20:54] <\sh> aehm...kapp.SIGNAL("quit()"); === echidnaman is now known as JontheEchidna === Czessi_ is now known as Czessi [22:39] yuriy: regarding bug 256910 (problem is that wineconfig doesn't work if Z: drive is present) ... will wineconfig survive; if not I'll mark is at "wontfix", or do you want me to do something else with it? [22:39] Launchpad bug 256910 in kde-guidance "kcmwineconfig doesn't load if .wine already exists" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/256910 [23:26] \sh: true [23:26] JontheEchidna, \sh: about the x restart -> IMHO applications should just save settings on-the-fly [23:26] so it's a valid wishfrom my POV [23:27] * JontheEchidna doesn't have wish-setting powers [23:27] I need to see about joining the bugcontrol team to get them [23:28] become motu :P [23:28] JontheEchidna: that wish also should be fwded upstream [23:30] * apachelogger is copying the quite big firefox-qt package to his workstation [23:46] http://paste.ubuntu.com/36977 first problem could IMHO be fixed if kubuntu-kde4-desktop would depend on kdebase-runtime and not kdebase-runtime-*-kde4 pkgs [23:47] no [23:47] the issue is at a much deeper level [23:47] apachelogger: care to elaborate [23:49] alleeMac: one of kdebase-runtime's deps can't upgrade forcing kdebase-runtime to not upgrade, while -bin-kde4 is to be upgraded making the complete upgrade fail [23:57] mhmm, ksysguard-kde4 depends on kdebase-runtime, not kdebase-runtime-bin-kde4. that's not consistent but should be no problem ... [23:58] umhmm. The problem asks for a virtual machine to try it with --dry-run