[06:32] <lunch> where's tacplus, it's not in the repository? why did they take it off?
[06:38] <pwnguin> was it ever?
[06:40] <pwnguin> lunch: it's been removed from debian too
[06:40] <pwnguin> probably orphaned
[06:41] <pwnguin> lunch: plus, there's a report that it doesn't even instal
[06:42] <pwnguin> l
[06:42] <lunch> i installed it on the last distro of ubuntu. after i upgrade, it's not in the repos
[06:43] <lunch> sometime, software drives me nuts, what WAS working no longer work. they fixed something but introduce new problems. that goes for microsoft and linux
[06:44] <bazhang> !info tac-plus
[06:44] <pwnguin> simply put, nobody was paying attention to it
[06:44] <pwnguin> !info tac-plus gutsy
[06:44] <lunch> yup, that was the one i installed when i had gusty
[06:45] <pwnguin> im guessing tac-plus was broke in debian, and the maintainer didn't respond to a bug report
[06:45] <pwnguin> and after so many days
[06:46] <pwnguin> it was "orphaned"
[06:46] <pwnguin> and now it sits, waiting for someone to take up the cause
[06:47] <pwnguin> if you're willing to be that guy, ask in #ubuntu-motu for steps to take
[06:47] <bazhang> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/tac-plus/+bugs
[06:47] <pwnguin> because clearly it affected you more than anyone else thus far =/
[06:48] <lunch> thank you :)
[07:08] <johninlex> Guys I just got the update just a few min. ago and went back to see if there was anymore and there was as it was downloading the packages I got an error.       E: the package cache file is corrupted        E:_cache=>open()failed, plaese report
[07:09] <johninlex> anyone around???
[07:11] <johninlex> Gumby are you a dev of 8.10???
[07:11] <DanaG> !find guidance hardy
[07:12] <DanaG> "guidance-backends: /usr/share/python-support/guidance-backends/displayconfig-hwprobe.py" is just plain evil...
[07:12] <DanaG> If you have a laptop with switchable GPUs, say goodbye to xorg.conf.
[07:12] <DanaG> It just gets mysteriously WIPED OUT, without notice.
[07:13] <DanaG> BOOM!  Gone!
[07:13] <DanaG> Sorry about that, but I had to deal with that on a friend's laptop today.
[07:56] <scyrma> DanaG: I've got a desktop with two video cards .. could that explain why my xorg.conf got wiped out some time ago?
[08:08] <DanaG> scyrma:  That might.
[08:08] <DanaG> I had to dpkg-divert it.
[08:09] <DanaG> sudo dpkg-divert --add --local --rename /usr/share/python-support/guidance-backends/displayconfig-hwprobe.py
[08:09] <DanaG> Adding `local diversion of /usr/share/python-support/guidance-backends/displayconfig-hwprobe.py to /usr/share/python-support/guidance-backends/displayconfig-hwprobe.py.distrib'
[08:35] <DanaG> I'm going to file a bug on that, one of these days.
[13:45] <hubuntu> ok.. I have the most annoying bug ever... my pointer keys are not working (thank God the space bar is no longer super...)
[13:45] <hubuntu> so is anyone having this issue?
[13:46] <hubuntu> no pointer keys, no home/end/pg up/pg dn
[13:46] <hubuntu> no Del
[13:46] <gnomefreak> hubuntu: they work here just fine
[13:46] <hubuntu> help.. please
[13:46] <gnomefreak> hubuntu: most likely its your set up
[13:46] <hubuntu> I think it may have something to do with the x configuration I have
[13:46] <gnomefreak> hubuntu: i would say yes
[13:47] <hubuntu> before things worked fine under X but not on the terminal, with the update yesterday things have changed...
[13:47] <gnomefreak> but you should beable to use keybord from menu to see if you can tweak it
[13:47] <hubuntu> from within gnome you mean?
[13:47] <gnomefreak> X wasnt updated in a few days
[13:47] <gnomefreak> hubuntu: yes
[13:48] <gnomefreak> gnome and mono updates the past few days
[13:48] <hubuntu> COuld it have been the day before that?
[13:48] <hubuntu> I had a BIG update
[13:49] <gnomefreak> hubuntu: that depends how often you update but i havent seen X updates since thursday of last week
[13:49] <hubuntu> brb gonna check the keyboard settingsd
[13:49]  * gnomefreak gone for a while
[13:50] <hubuntu> yes, last week I got the space bar as super, so gnome-do wouyld pop up in every keystroke after a word...
[13:50] <Hobbsee> input hotplug stuff, i wonder.  i thought there was a bug about that somewhere.
[13:50] <lamalex> haha
[13:51] <hubuntu> things are better now, but still... no ened/home or pointer keys is very annoying (specially the up key which acts as Prt Scr, imagine the ammount of propossed screenshots...)
[13:52] <hubuntu> I'm testing the layout in the keyboard setting and indeed it seems to be VERY wrong...
[13:52] <hubuntu> anby ideas on how to fix this (or report it, for that matter...)
[13:54] <hubuntu> Hobbsee, is that X related? BEcause if it is I copuld tweak the x config file
[13:57] <Hobbsee> yes
[14:01] <hubuntu> ok.. I'll give it a try. Thanks
[14:10] <pen> anyone using flash 10 beta 2?
[14:11] <pen> the one included in intrepid repo?
[14:11] <pen> why is it slower and buggier than flash 10 beta 1
[14:19] <ForgeAus> is there going to be a way in Kubuntu to keep kde3.5.9 as default? if kde4.x is going to be /kde (rather than /kde4)
[14:21] <JontheEchidna> In Intrepid there will be no way to have a KDE3 desktop
[14:25] <ForgeAus> that sux :(
[14:25] <Hobbsee> hmm.  my volume keys don't work anymore.
[14:27] <ForgeAus> sounds like I can't go intrepid :(... I wanna keep my kde3
[14:27] <ForgeAus> not that I mind having the option of KDE4 I just don't want it to be the default...
[14:30] <hubuntu> doesn't Kubuntu Hardy with KDE 3.x 3 years support?
[14:32] <Blaze_Boy> what are the main upgrades  in the next ubuntu ?
[14:32] <ForgeAus> I think so
[14:32] <ForgeAus> LTS
[14:32] <ForgeAus> replaced Dapper since Dappers essentialyl expired
[14:32] <ForgeAus> yeah whats kewl and new in Intrepid?
[14:33] <Blaze_Boy> yeah any one will respond ?
[14:33] <philipp>  Hi, I'm using intrepid. How may I complie the tc1100-wmi.ko-kernel-module from source and insmod it into the 2.6.26-5-generic kernel without getting a invalid module format?
[14:33] <ForgeAus> aside from kde4.1 if you using kubuntu
[14:34] <philipp> I installed the 2.6.26-source via apt-get, made an make oldconfig, switched the tc1100-wmi module via make menuconfig from < > to <M> and then typed make drivers/misc/tc1100-wmi.ko
[14:35]  * ForgeAus shrugs
[14:36] <Blaze_Boy> what are the main upgrades  in the next ubuntu ?
[14:36] <Blaze_Boy> what's new in ubuntu intepid ibex?
[14:37] <ForgeAus> blaze, maybe it says in here : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IntrepidIbex ??
[14:41] <ForgeAus> actually not much there looking at it
[14:41] <Blaze_Boy> i saw it , it's nothing
[14:41] <ForgeAus> release schedules but nothing about whats different
[15:05] <Blaze_Boy> ok, no one know , isn't here any one from the programmers to ask?
[15:07] <Trewas> Blaze_Boy: there's list of approved blueprints in https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/intrepid and in addition to that there will be of course the normal upgrades (kenrel, gnome, etc. and what that brings)
[15:07] <Blaze_Boy> thanx trewas
[15:07] <Blaze_Boy> i'll check that
[15:38] <DanaG> hubuntu: still having broken pointer keys?
[15:38] <DanaG> Set keyboard layout in Gnome to "Generic->Evdev Managed Keyboard"
[15:38] <hubuntu> have tweaked the x org file, but have not restarted x yet
[15:38] <DanaG> For some reason, it's not longer using xorg.conf settings for keyboard; instead, it's using evdev.
[15:39] <DanaG> ... and evdev does things... way differently (I'm not sure how), and thus uses a different layout setting.
[15:39] <hubuntu> ok, should it work right after the change or after restarting gnome?
[15:39] <DanaG> Should work immediately.
[15:40] <hubuntu> it work partially
[15:40] <hubuntu> but the up key still acts as PrtScr
[15:41] <DanaG> Odd.
[15:41] <hubuntu> everything else works...
[15:41] <hubuntu> besides the up key
[15:41] <hubuntu> BUt hey, thanks... It's good to have the left, right and down arrow back :)
[15:42] <hubuntu> I'm going to restart X and see what ahåppens
[15:42] <hubuntu> brb
[15:51] <hubuntu> DanaG, it works :)
[15:51] <DanaG> Cool.
[15:51] <DanaG> I wish they'd put that in the channel topic... and perhaps have update-manager suggest it (or do it automatically).
[15:53] <hubuntu> So I made 2 changes: 1. Removed the XkbVariant line from xorg.conf and did the Edev Man Keyb trick you gave me
[15:53] <hubuntu> is this common in Intrepid?
[15:53] <DanaG> I think so.
[15:54] <hubuntu> I saw that the XkbVariant was not present in previous versions of the xorg file, so I just trashed it and it seemed to have fixed the issue
[15:54] <DanaG> They must've changed it so that the default keyboard uses evdev, by adding a new HAL FDI file.
[15:54] <hubuntu> well thanks peps :)
[15:54] <hubuntu> thanks so much DanaG for helping me out here
[15:54] <hubuntu> I love this community
[15:54] <hubuntu> :)
[15:55] <hubuntu> ok.. gotta go back to real life
[15:55] <hubuntu> peace
[15:59] <Finnish> Hmm, update has downloaded 2.6.26.5-kernel a few times, but after reboot it still says its 2.6.26.4-kernel?
[16:18] <DanaG> heh: "  * Revert "meta: merge the mess of single-lib packages back into one large one." - That way lies madness and pain."
[16:31] <s0u][ight> when is alfa 4 going to be relaise
[16:31] <s0u][ight> d
[16:31] <s0u][ight> eased
[16:44] <cypherdelic> Hello Everyone in every channel, im sry for amsg but im having this problem for weeks and it seems not to be an ubuntu related bug, so i try if anyone could help me this way. Everytime that I switch Viewports, a configuration window of cairo-dock with the title < Maintenance Mode > appears. I can't access the cairo-dock unitl i close that window. Xkill of that window forces whole cairo-dock to be closed, but when i restart it, i have t
[16:45] <cypherdelic> he same "bug" again, so theres no way for me to work with cairo-dock in a proper way. I have a VNC-Server installed and willing to let you watch my stuff. And can help me find the problem. Please message me. Thanks
[16:58] <cypherdelic> so noone of #cairo-dock,#ubuntu,#compiz-fusion,#ubuntu+1 has a soloution or an idea, why the configuration-window of cairo-dock titled < Maintenance Mode > pops up on every viewportswitch blocking cairo-dock mouse-access????
[17:02]  * ForgeAus shrugs, I odn't do much gnome
[17:05] <JontheEchidna> You might try asking in #ubuntu since this channel is for Intrepid stuff
[17:06] <s0u][ight> JontheEchidna: look at the channel list he allready did
[17:06] <bazhang> cypherdelic, this is running ibex right?
[17:06] <JontheEchidna> s0u][ight: oh you're right, my bad
[17:07] <cypherdelic> yup
[17:07] <bazhang> cypherdelic, you have seen the /topic ? the part about 'total system failure' ?
[17:07] <cypherdelic> ehm i dont know how this should be related to my problem
[17:08] <bazhang> cypherdelic, as the final release is some two months away there may be one or two bugs yet.
[17:08] <s0u][ight> cypherdelic: Only developers comfortable with recovering system from total system failure should use it.
[17:09] <cypherdelic> s0u][ight: i read that in the topic again, and, what now, im able to read, what do you MEAN
[17:09] <cypherdelic> i didnt ask for any recovery system or related to that
[17:10] <cypherdelic> i have no total system failure
[17:10] <s0u][ight> well why did you upgrade to intrepid
[17:10] <cypherdelic> i have no time for this kind of smalltalk: for my favour, ok?
[17:10] <s0u][ight> you should be able to deal with these kind of bugs when using alpha software
[17:10] <bazhang> cypherdelic, you seem to be pasting this message in many many channels.
[17:11] <cypherdelic> not anymore
[17:11] <cypherdelic> worked i have new suggestions, can i proceed?
[17:11] <bazhang> including many that should not be so pasted in.
[17:11] <alex-weej> ayne else finding that Compiz
[17:11] <alex-weej> ...
[17:11] <alex-weej> anyone else finding that Compiz fails to start on login?
[17:11] <alex-weej> metacity always ends up being the WM
[17:11] <alex-weej> and then i have to go to Appearance preferences and choose "Normal"
[17:12] <cypherdelic> alex-weej: graphic card?
[17:12] <alex-weej> nvidia 177
[17:12] <cypherdelic> is it installed
[17:12] <alex-weej> ...
[17:12] <cypherdelic> and selected in hardware dingsda
[17:12] <alex-weej> yes.
[17:12] <cypherdelic> dont know the english term :D
[17:12] <alex-weej> never mind.
[17:12] <cypherdelic> hm
[17:13] <s0u][ight> restricted software
[17:13] <alex-weej> compiz works *fine*
[17:13] <alex-weej> i just have to enable it myself everytime i log in
[17:13] <cypherdelic> alex-weej: $ glxinfo | grep direct
[17:13] <alex-weej> cypherdelic: you're not helping
[17:13] <cypherdelic> is it yes?
[17:13] <cypherdelic> oh ok
[17:14] <alex-weej> i don't mean to be rude
[17:15] <cypherdelic> alex-weej: i did created an autostart launcher for fuion-icon
[17:15] <cypherdelic> and selected compiz in there, so no idea about that stupid ubuntu appearece stuff, i dont use that
[18:41] <cypherdelic> Does "System > Shutdown > * Anything" works for you. For me it doesn't. I have to logoff and shutdown via GDM. Can anyone proof it please?
[18:45] <gnomefreak> cypherdelic: it will be fixed in alpha 5
[18:46] <gnomefreak> cypherdelic: been a bug on it since a2
[18:47] <cypherdelic> gnomefreak: ok thanks for that and i have a second one
[18:48] <cypherdelic> gnomefreak: about system audio propierties, all the system bell stuff is greyed out, will that be fixed later too, cause i noticed this stuff is new
[18:49] <gnomefreak> cypherdelic: not sure check LP for a bug on it
[18:49] <cypherdelic> lp?
[18:49] <cypherdelic> ok got it
[18:50] <gnomefreak> !bugs
[18:50] <cypherdelic> yes yes sorry
[18:50] <gnomefreak> ok gone
[19:13] <cypherdelic> i assume the ibex to be more intrepid than any other release if the developement keeps on at such a successs
[19:14] <cypherdelic> thumbes up, my current alpha runs wuite well
[19:14] <cypherdelic> im just with a kind of cheap high-class oem-pc
[19:15] <cypherdelic> really an impression, the kernel and new nvidia is good either, im with geforce 7 onboard cashing 512mb from 4GB RAM
[19:15] <cypherdelic> ;)
[22:36] <ctp> hi folks. would you recommend intrepid for daily use meantime? i wanna use kde 4.1 so i have to choose between hardy+kde4.1 packages vs intrepid
[23:12] <crdlb> ctp: if you have to ask, wait for the beta :)