[00:08] fine [00:08] good news ;) [00:08] one merge thing less [00:11] "People in most markets Lenovo serves, including Singapore, China and the UK, will be offered the company's new IdeaPad S10 with either Microsoft Windows XP or a Linux OS, but Australian and US computer buyers will only be offered Windows XP according to Lenovo." [00:51] asac, https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=306324#c5 [00:51] Mozilla bug 306324 in Build Config "Build/run Thunderbird on top of XULRunner" [Normal,New] [06:25] that's weird [06:26] I've got a whole lot of images from lhttp://www.boingboing.net/compresized/*.jpg [06:26] in my cache [06:26] that have apparently been fetches within the last minute [06:26] fetched, rather [06:27] however, I haven't look at that page in a good week (I remember it, it was a list of really old magazine computer ads) [06:27] they're showing up in about:cache?device=memory [08:42] !freenode [08:42] freenode is the IRC network that you're on! See http://freenode.net/faq.shtml [09:17] hi ! [09:19] asac: bug 136303 is this something we are willing to change in default tbird package? [09:19] Launchpad bug 136303 in mozilla-thunderbird "[Gutsy] Thunderbird doesn't open http link in firefox" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/136303 [09:20] hi [09:21] morning ;) [09:21] hi gnomefreak [09:21] that bug should work ;) [09:22] asac: you want a autologin bug on n-m? [09:23] marked bug wont fix [09:23] gnomefreak: which? [09:23] bug 155294 [09:23] Launchpad bug 155294 in network-manager "It is not possible to disable the keychain password entry dialog for accessing a WLAN when auto-login is enabled" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/155294 [09:24] asac: not sure if wee support autologin to begin with [09:24] asac, hve you seen the screenshots yesterday ? [09:27] XioNoX: the double border thing? [09:28] yes, and i've list the différent case, depending of the xbl file [09:28] with or without the element [09:29] and the location of the div [09:30] XioNoX: hmm. so unsupported doesnt work at all? [09:31] unsupported work, supported work partially (there are 2 frames) if we put the element [09:31] but only on the adobe page [09:31] on youtube for exemple it don't work for supported [09:31] XioNoX: strange thing. can you try just to "match" object? [09:31] ' [09:32] match ? [09:32] in .css [09:32] finally got to my gedit crash bug, only a month later (and it still crashes when it likes) [09:34] XioNoX: you said that flashbock? did it differently [09:34] how? [09:34] adblock plus [09:35] i don't really know, because the source is really complicated [09:36] I think too complicated to implement it on ubufox [09:37] and for something we don't know if everybody will agree [09:38] but the adblock method works well for all the flash content [09:45] XioNoX: they display a frame, right? [09:45] what ? [09:46] what do you thin about this : http://pastebin.mozilla.org/512850 ? [09:46] come from flash block [09:48] hi guys [09:48] # [09:48] object [09:48] # [09:48] # [09:48] { -moz-binding: url("chrome://flashblock/content/flashblock.xml#brokenobject") !important; } [09:48] they do this [09:48] XioNoX, asac: any help I can give you? [09:49] it works [09:49] XioNoX: so "just" object in .css works [09:49] thats good enough for us [09:49] it is better than : embed, applet, object { [09:49] -moz-binding: url('chrome://ubufox/content/alternatePlugins.xml#missingPlugin') !important; [09:49] "embed" is most likely a .xbl thing on its own which uses object [09:49] no ? [09:49] because it more targeting the content [09:49] yes [09:50] object { [09:50] 10:49 < XioNoX> -moz-binding: url('chrome://ubufox/content/alternatePlugins.xml#missingPlugin') !important; [09:50] if that works [09:50] use it ;) [09:50] ok [09:51] it works the same way, for flash or director, but i have the sames issues [09:51] so i think it come from the xbl [09:53] * gnomefreak thinks i fixed firegpg but will look later since its not 5am yet [09:56] XioNoX: can you publish your current best code in bzr please [09:56] I'd like to try [09:56] ;) [09:56] asac, http://pastebin.mozilla.org/512852 here is the xbl of flashblock, it using only JS [09:59] XioNoX: well. thats flashblock ;) [09:59] i know :D [09:59] i push the code on bzr [09:59] ok [09:59] url? [10:02] XioNoX: ? [10:02] not finish yet :D [10:02] ah [10:03] ;) [10:05] https://code.launchpad.net/~xionox/ubufox/ubufox.altplugins [10:13] XioNoX: so on what page would thta work? [10:14] http://www.adobe.com/fr/shockwave/welcome/ [10:14] here you can check 2 mimetype [10:25] re [10:25] re! [10:29] XioNoX: ok. so even with these .css rules it doesnt work anywhere except on adobe pages? [10:29] yes [10:30] i dont see any atler :/ [10:30] alert [10:32] asac: if you'll need my assistance with helping Xionox, let me know [10:33] alert works for me when we click on a frame [10:38] XioNoX: you need to add "components" to the ROOT_DIRS in config_build.sh [10:38] otherwise the pluginGlue.js is not included [10:38] in .xpi [10:41] XioNoX: according to dom inspector that style is attached to the element [10:41] ? [10:41] (on youtube) [10:41] the border appears to be not visible [10:41] not sure if that means that its hidden [10:41] or that it doesnt work [10:41] install firefox-dom-inspector package [10:42] (if you are testing with ubuntu build) [10:43] ok [10:43] so we can try with hidden=false [10:43] ? [10:44] not sure [10:45] let me play around [10:46] it si why the html:div is in red ? [10:50] Jazzva: its fixed im gonna build it for PPA to update with fixes. both branchs are fixed as well. thanks for the testing [10:53] asac: should short description end with a : ? [10:53] or long start with one? [10:54] XioNoX: i think its read because its "xbl'ed" at runtime [10:54] gnomefreak: most likely not [10:54] gnomefreak: cant`t tell without looking at case though [10:54] dpkg-checkbuilddeps: error: syntax error in debian/control at line 15: line with unknown format (not field-colon-value) [10:54] maybe shouldnt be indented [10:55] nope not it [10:57] asac: here is the control file http://pastebin.mozilla.org/512886 [10:59] i dont see anything there that looks wrong [11:01] XioNoX: so ... maybe the embed thing prevents it to be displayed [11:01] XioNoX: can you try to open the alert whenever the element is loaded please [11:01] instead of clicking? [11:02] I've try, but i don't know how to do that. Event on xbl don't allow to do it [11:03] May I ask a question : I've seen in bug 180384 that mozilla-traybiff was FTBFS [11:03] Launchpad bug 180384 in mozilla-traybiff "Please merge mozilla-traybiff 1.2.3-4 (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/180384 [11:03] looking if I can fix that I don't clearly understand the situation of mozilla-traybiff [11:03] according LP, it is in intrepid [11:04] but I am not able to find it using apt [11:04] :( [11:04] huats: its not in INtrepid archives [11:04] gnomefreak: from my understanding of :https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mozilla-traybiff it is... [11:05] that is why I am confused... [11:05] huats: most likely it need a manual merge. DAD will tell you, but i dont remmeber link to DAD, motu people would have link [11:05] I have the link... [11:05] :) [11:05] gnomefreak: thanks [11:06] huats: wait [11:06] ok [11:06] huats: that may be held back due to freeze [11:06] I know [11:06] but ask in motu what happened [11:07] In fact I was more confused by state that it seems to be in intrepid, but it is not [11:07] that was my question :) [11:07] gnomefreak: thanks! [11:07] np [11:08] huats: looks like a dependency issue [11:08] huats: look at the right of https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/intrepid/+source/mozilla-traybiff/1.2.3-4.1 [11:10] gnomefreak: yes [11:10] a pb with icedove... [11:13] gnomefreak, solved the problem with control file? [11:14] Jazzva: the above error no [11:15] i dont see a : nor did i ever remeber one being there [11:15] gnomefreak, try with this (the highlighted lines) http://pastebin.mozilla.org/512905 [11:17] the VCS line has to be broken up its more than 80 chars [11:17] XioNoX: ok [11:17] that doesn't matter for all lines, but only for those that will be presented to the user (copyright file, description...) [11:17] gnomefreak ^ [11:18] asac, xbl handler allow only key & mouse [11:18] * gnomefreak gives up on what needs to be <80 and > 80 [11:19] XioNoX: http://paste.ubuntu.com/36800/ [11:19] apply that and start fro there [11:19] Jazzva: no it didnt fix it [11:19] gnomefreak, I think just the things that will be presented to a user [11:19] hmm... strange [11:19] XioNoX: actually we can even dump the html:div [11:20] Jazzva: all you did was indent the long [11:20] the idea is to use the code [11:20] ok [11:20] like flashblock ? [11:20] to send out events about "pluginUsed" [11:20] XioNoX: apply the patch [11:20] gnomefreak, ah... the short description must be in one line [11:20] ;) [11:20] Jazzva: although now its line 14 [11:20] I'm not sure about the rule for it... [11:20] Jazzva: that doesnt meet 80 char rule [11:21] thats why its on 2 lines [11:21] and that makes sence since it built fine before changing it [11:21] lets find out [11:22] Jazzva: space between long and short? [11:22] asac, how do y apply the diff ? [11:23] try putting it on one line :). sorry for the "80 chars rule". I try to make thing presented to user break at 80 char if I can :) [11:23] gnomefreak, space? you mean an empty line? that's not needed... [11:23] ok [11:23] oh fuck [11:23] control is fixed now rules error [11:24] Jazzva: debian/rules:21: *** missing separator. Stop [11:24] gnomefreak, please paste it [11:24] build/firegpg:: chmod a-x+X components/FireGPGCall.dll [11:25] what should be used as seperater [11:25] put "chmod ..." on a new line [11:25] http://pastebin.mozilla.org/512907 [11:25] Jazzva: it is [11:25] Jazzva: just irc put it on one line [11:26] im thinking a ; is needed but not sure [11:26] after *dll === RainCT_ is now known as RainCT [11:26] gnomefreak, the space before "chmod" should be a tab. If you copy/pasted it, it might be formed of spaces instead... [11:26] gnomefreak, so check that [11:27] and you can also put ";" at the end of the line, but it should be ok like this too... [11:27] ok give me a few need to update changelog [11:28] no i dont its all there [11:28] ha [11:28] Jazzva: thanks it worked [11:29] no problem :) [11:29] i have to update bzr but im waiting for any other errors [11:29] actually... you can change the "a-x+X" in chmod just to "a-x" [11:32] too late [11:32] XioNoX: download to file [11:32] change to ubufox dir [11:32] it really shouldnt matter at all [11:32] patch -p0 < /tmp/file.diff [11:32] (if the file is called /tmp/file.diff) [11:32] ok [11:32] i've done it manually :D [11:33] but I save that ;) [11:33] XioNoX: err [11:33] please apply directly [11:33] otherwise you might have missed something ;) [11:33] at least i wouldnt trust myself ;) [11:33] ok breakfast . bzr branches are updated and fixed and pushing to PPA atm [11:34] but well ... as long as your .css is short, and the alert pops up it should be fine [11:34] gnomefreak: please ping in bug [11:34] asac: what bug? [11:34] it should be ok :D but it is normal that my firefox is freezing on the adobe webpage ? [11:34] gnomefreak: or give me direct branch names ;) [11:34] oh [11:34] gnomefreak: i forget what you are working on ;) [11:34] firegpg [11:34] gnomefreak: if you update bug: says: "ready! [11:34] i will see it in my extension mailbox [11:34] ok [11:34] which i try to follow up on regularly [11:34] ;) [11:35] gnomefreak: full branch name would be appreciated ;) [11:35] it will have it [11:35] of your and the "release" branch [11:35] gnomefreak: sure [11:35] you want LP links or the bzr branch..... [11:35] gnomefreak: hmm ... please try to do a "merge request" [11:36] in launchpad [11:36] i'd like to test that feature [11:36] with what? [11:36] we should receive mails [11:36] i get mails for it [11:36] asac: tested a while ago [11:37] asac, i get the alert, but if i refresh the page it crash of freeze :( [11:37] asac: i would need branches to merge to [11:38] gnomefreak: ah ... ok firegpg isnt uploaded yet? [11:38] there is no RELEASE branch from what i can see [11:38] but update bug 227945 [11:38] Launchpad bug 227945 in firegpg "[needs packaging] Please package FireGPG extension for Firefox " [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/227945 [11:38] segfault [11:38] asac: no this is new [11:38] XioNoX: are you on 3.1 ? [11:38] 3.0 [11:38] asac: lso find them in my PPA if needed [11:39] XioNoX: for me it doesnt [11:39] also [11:39] XioNoX: maybe apply my patch for real ;) [11:39] ok breakfast now [11:39] asac, it seem that it is NSPlugin Wrapper who are crashing [11:40] gnomefreak: didnt base the .ubuntu branch on the .upstream branch [11:40] what did you do? [11:40] you need to start with .upstream branch [11:40] then add packaging [11:41] (which is revision 1 in your ubuntu branch, but should be revision 2) [11:41] when i did it that way it failed [11:41] no [11:41] i fixed it to have files [11:41] asac: yes it did [11:41] thats wrong [11:41] we cannot use it that way [11:41] Jazzva: informed me of it [11:41] unfortunately [11:42] the procedure is outlined on the Packaging page in wiki [11:42] oh well [11:42] you start with upstream branch [11:42] then copy debian/ directory from XPI.TEMPLATE [11:42] and adapt the files accordingly [11:42] even with your patch it is crashing [11:42] XioNoX: where? [11:42] on youtube? [11:44] on youtube it is freezing [11:44] i don't see the popup [11:44] ok http://www.t45ol.com/ we can see the alert but it crashing [11:45] XioNoX: remve the surrounding div elements [11:45] we dont need them [11:45] so content just contains children [11:45] that works for me [11:45] otherwise the alert freezes [11:45] (though i can close it using the X window closer) [11:46] still crashing [11:46] still freezing on youtube [11:47] yave you try with 3.0 ? [11:47] or do you wan't that I try with 3.1 ? [11:48] asac: just becausqe revision 1 doesnt say initial release its not usable? [11:48] no ... i am running 3.0.1 install [11:48] gnomefreak: he? [11:48] no [11:48] gnomefreak: because the .ubuntu branch is not based on .upstream branch its not usable [11:48] yes that is it since there is nothing wrong with branch it has files it should have [11:48] we wont be able to merge in future [11:48] asac: yes it is [11:49] gnomefreak: no [11:49] when i fixed it i had to redo it all today [11:49] gnomefreak: if it was the commit log of rev 1 would be identical [11:49] maybe you copied files by hand [11:49] but you surely didnt start to create the .ubuntu branch by using the real .upsream branch [11:49] asac: i did after getting upstream from branch [11:49] look at time stamps on branches [11:49] gnomefreak: you _must_ not copy by hand [11:50] gnomefreak: to create .ubuntu you do: [11:50] bzr branch lp......upstream [11:50] cd .....upstream [11:50] asac: why not since itt was already done from XPI [11:50] cp -r /tmp/XPI.TEMPALTE/debian . [11:50] asac: this was started a month or so ago [11:50] bzr commit -m "* first .ubuntu commit, which is the second commit on the brancH" [11:51] it was from XPI but had to put it aside to fix the failure to install bug [11:51] gnomefreak: you start with .upstream [11:51] yes [11:51] then copy the files from XPI.TEMPLATE by hand into it [11:51] commit that as second revision [11:51] yes [11:51] yes, but you didnt do that [11:51] look at bzr log [11:52] you started with XPI.TEMPALTE [11:52] copied .upstream files into it [11:52] (if you did that at all) [11:52] most likely you just created a directory, copied the .upstream and the XPI.TEMPALTE into it and committed that together as first revision [11:53] gnomefreak: since you did it one out ago, just redo .... follow the instructions i gave above [11:53] i have no need to commit an empty XPITEMPLATE [11:53] feel free to modifiy the files before doing the first .ubuntu commit [11:53] but start with .upstream [11:53] and commit on top of that [11:53] first revision _must_ be identical to upstream branch [11:54] wait i think i know what happened [11:54] let me guess ubuntu branch doesnt contain upstream files? [11:54] that is because i left them out when i pushed [11:55] damnit [11:55] gnomefreak: no [11:55] oh good [11:55] follow the instructions above [11:55] you have to start with .upstream [11:55] then copy the XPI.TEMPLATE files into it [11:55] modify them [11:55] commit [11:55] and bumb [11:56] (this is revision 2 then) [11:56] but the files i already had were based on it :( [11:56] cant be revision 2 [11:56] im not commiting/pushing empty XPI.TEMPLATE [11:57] so it would be revision 1 that has all files included [11:57] hence redoing it the same way i did it [11:57] gnomefreak: hey [11:57] first revision is the .upstream commit [11:57] but i will start all over and maybe have it done in a day or so [11:57] so it _is_ second revision [11:57] no [11:58] gnomefreak: thats what i am telling you [11:58] you _must_ start with .upstream branch [11:58] why .upstream is another branch [11:58] which already contains one commit [11:58] gnomefreak: yes, but .upstream is the parent branch for .ubuntu [11:58] they are not indpendent [11:58] asac: why not bumb! [11:58] gnomefreak: you did them independent, which makes them useless [11:58] as we cannot do bzr merge then [11:58] yes i know but revisions dont skip from brnch o branch [11:59] gnomefreak: try and see it yourself ;) [11:59] so 1 still wont be .upstream unless i push it beore gettingXPI [11:59] gnomefreak: just follow the instructions on wiki blindly [11:59] that will work [12:04] asac, i've find why it is freezing. The popup didn't show up but it is here, so i have juste to press space or enter [12:04] XioNoX: hehe ;) [12:04] XioNoX: maybe its hidden behind the main window? [12:05] no [12:05] we see it when we alt tab [12:05] XioNoX: ok. did you drop the html:div yet? [12:05] but a soon a we select it, he disapear [12:05] yes [12:05] but i don't know why it is crashing [12:06] XioNoX: just npviewer? [12:06] are you on hardy? [12:06] yes [12:06] 64bits if it can help [12:07] XioNoX: ok. i think there is a separate bug for nspluginwraper hanging [12:08] XioNoX: is there a package ia32-libs installed? [12:08] yes [12:08] can you please check whether it still ships libflashsupport ? [12:08] e.g. dpkg -L ia32-libs | grep libflashsupp [12:09] We're going to eat [12:09] c u [13:01] asac, /usr/lib32/libflashsupport.so [13:08] XioNoX: remove that [13:08] or move it to a differnt directory ;) [13:08] that might cause _more_ crashes ;) [13:08] than flash does anyway [13:08] and it deadlocks on shutdown, which might cause the freezage you saw === RainCT is now known as RainCT_ [13:10] Jazzva: ^^ ...the above might be responsible for the "grey" on reload thing on amd64 [13:11] not sure though if libflashsupport.so is still included in intrepid ia32-libs package though [13:11] Jazzva: if you are back, please let me know ;) [13:11] asac, even with rm libflashsupport.so it crash [13:11] with a seg fault [13:12] XioNoX: please test iwht gnash then [13:12] its probably a bug in amd64 [13:12] flash [13:12] here on x86 it works without and with nspluginwarpper [13:12] asac: give it a little while to update but there should be 1 for .upstream and 3 for .ubuntu (had to update changelog after push since i forgot before [13:13] gn i see 2 revision right now [13:13] maybe i will wait a bit [13:13] at least the first revision looks better [13:13] you will get 3 in a few [13:13] if its really the revision that is in .upstream [13:13] it needs to update [13:13] then it should be fine [13:13] it is [13:14] yep [13:14] will wait a bit [13:14] hmmmmmmmmm [13:14] Pushed up to revision 3. [13:15] there it is [13:15] ok ... let me see [13:16] asac, still crashing :( [13:16] gnomefreak@Development:~/firegpg$ ls [13:16] XPI.TEMPLATE firegpg firegpg.ubuntu [13:16] see done right [13:16] XioNoX: what is still crashing? [13:16] firefox [13:16] if i reflresh the page, it close [13:16] try with a fresh profile [13:16] that doesnt make much sense [13:17] now i build for PPA [13:17] it is a fresh profile [13:17] XioNoX: you never tell me swhich page you try to refresh [13:18] ok http://www.t45ol.com/ we can see the alert but it crashing [13:18] ok sticking with 1 teminal now 5 is too hard to keep track of :( [13:19] XioNoX doesnt crash for me [13:19] XioNoX: with my patch [13:19] XioNoX: please try gnash instead of flash [13:19] well [13:19] i've apply you patch [13:20] XioNoX: are you sure? [13:20] i've installed gnash [13:20] XioNoX: are you using gnash? [13:20] installed is one thing [13:20] using a different ;) [13:20] which nspluginwrapper package version? [13:20] which flashplugin-nonfree package version? [13:20] libgnashplugin.so [13:20] yep [13:20] (consider to remove flashplugin-nonfree) [13:21] XioNoX: did you remove flashplugin-nonfree [13:21] yep [13:21] XioNoX: if you right click on a flash file do you see "gnash" ? [13:21] flashplugin-nonfreebeta exactly [13:21] yes yes it is gnash ;) [13:22] you never know [13:22] XioNoX: for me it doesnt crash ... have you tried fresh profile? [13:22] have you tried a fresh ubufox.xpi [13:22] ? [13:22] remove ubufox.xpi [13:22] sh build.sh ;) [13:23] Main loop ended, cleaning up [13:23] Any segfault past this message is likely due to improper threads cleanup. [13:23] Main loop ended, cleaning up [13:23] Any segfault past this message is likely due to improper threads cleanup [13:23] and it crash only on www.t45ol.com/ [13:23] XioNoX: well.. then dont get stuck on that [13:23] we want to send out events [13:23] on adobe or youtube all is working good [13:23] cool [13:23] im not crashing there [13:23] the alert also introduces some wierd races most likely [13:23] with flash [13:23] so dont be too bothered about that [13:24] ok good [13:24] what we wawnt is to send out events that contain which mime-type is used [13:24] and accumulate them somewhere [13:25] so we can later use them to present the user a list of "plugins/mime-types in use on a page" [13:29] and this transparent for the user ? [13:31] XioNoX: for now we could add a menu entry "other plugins ..." [13:32] which then pops up the wizard with the mime-types currently in use on the current page [13:33] oh [13:34] the other idea is to add a icon for the same operatoin to the bottom right corner of the window (e.g. status bar) [13:34] almost like my day didnt start out shitty at 2am now my tv is broken and my push hasnt shown up on PPA yet :( [13:34] be back. [13:34] to catch users attention [13:34] ok [13:34] gnomefreak: ppa is slow today [13:34] what do you prefer ? [13:34] XioNoX: for now i'd prefer both [13:34] e.g. implement one command [13:34] i see that [13:34] >10 minute [13:35] present it as a menu entry as well as a icon in the status bar [13:35] if the user clicks it we want the wizard for the mime-types we accumulated through the xbl constrcture [13:36] ok so I create another xul file [13:37] XioNoX: yes. a "overlay" === thunderstruck is now known as gnomefreak [13:37] for the menu for now i'd say [13:55] asac: im guessing you didnt upload firegpg into ubuntu archives right? [13:55] PPA rejected my upload [13:55] Rejected: [13:55] The source firegpg - 0.5.1-0ubuntu1 is already accepted in ubuntu/intrepid and you cannot upload the same version within the same distribution. You have to modify the source version and re-upload. [13:56] well ill give it an hour or 3 than push again [14:03] * asac lunch [14:03] bb in 30 minh [14:06] asac, back. [14:08] hi [14:08] anyone familiar with SVG here ? [14:08] gnomefreak, I think it will reject it again. Just add new changelog entry with version 0.5.1-0ubuntu2 (though, adding ~gnomefreak1 at the end of that would be more recommended) [14:08] fta, hi.. [14:08] not me... sorry [14:10] its because i delete the other ones and it hasnt gone through yet [14:10] ah, ok... [14:10] and ill add ~jjv to it once its ready [14:10] 2-3 hours at most [14:10] ok back to pulling tv apart [14:10] good luck [14:19] http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/flashplayer10/ [14:21] NSS for Linux – Flash Player 10 for Linux now supports Mozilla’s Network Security Services (NSS) for secure network connections. [14:21] not sure how this works with our sonamed nss [14:22] "Ubuntu OS Support — Flash Player 10 now supports Ubuntu, one of the most popular flavors of Linux." hmm [15:00] fta: it should [15:04] fta: cool [15:05] (e.g. ubuntu support) [15:08] asac... i'm not sure about ia32-libs. It didn't show me list of files on packages.ubuntu.com [15:19] i hope somehow HTML5 kills flash [15:23] or release sources of flash [15:23] or both [15:25] flash is evil, free or not. integration is a pain [15:30] fta, hehe :) [15:45] asac, can we use external js files in xbl ? [15:53] XioNoX: why not? [15:54] but usually you implement your things in "implementation" [15:58] i've created the menuitem [15:58] the status bar item [15:59] but but i don't really know what they should do [15:59] displaying a new windows ? [16:00] be visible only in function of the js of the xbl ? [16:00] XioNoX: you could make your own "menuitem" with xbl, which then could implement fields where you cann add "missing mime types" [16:01] so when you click, the menu item knows what mime-types to look for alternatives for [16:03] the menuitem is (for the moment) in a new xul, so i have to put it in the xbl ? [16:03] i don't understand : which then could implement fields where you cann add "missing mime types" [16:03] XioNoX: you could implement: "myspecialmenuitem" in xbl [16:04] and then use that in your xul instead of menuitem [16:04] XioNoX: maybe you can also just add arbitrary new fields to that menuitem though [16:04] let me think ;) [16:05] new fields = new menuitem under the menuitem ? [16:06] getElementByid("mymenuitemid").usedMimeTypes =... [16:07] XioNoX: look how the missingplugins thing stores its mime-types [16:07] most likely we want to do it in a similar way [16:09] missingplugins thing ? [16:10] ha ok [16:10] asac, this part : ? event.preventDefault(); [16:10] // Fire a PluginNotFound event to trigger the infobar [16:10] var ev = document.createEvent("Events"); [16:10] ev.initEvent("PluginNotFound", true, true); [16:10] this.dispatchEvent(ev); === asac_ is now known as asac [16:28] asac, I don't understand how the .Event thing in the xbl show a new window :( [16:28] i can't find references to it [16:29] XioNoX: the event listener is probably in "browser.js" for now [16:30] search the full source tree for the event name that is in the .xml [16:32] and i'm off for the most of the afternoon to work on client/server/workstation programs for school project... [17:03] ok, i've find it ! [17:03] line 850 [17:03] but i've got to go [17:04] i'll continue on this later [17:04] asac, thx and see you later ;) [17:10] my firefox 3.0.1 is screwed up. Built up bookmarks are gone! Im unable to select add-ons -FF3 just quits! help [17:32] ksbalaji: restart your system. then start firefox from a terminal with the command [17:33] firefox -safe-mode [17:33] if that makes firefox to startup, then disable all extensions (except the ubuntu one) in tool -> addons === RainCT_ is now known as RainCT [17:52] thanks asac I shall try. [18:00] asac Before restarting, I tried safemode result::balaji@viva100:~$ firefox -safe-mode [18:00] (firefox:27347): GnomeUI-WARNING **: While connecting to session manager: [18:00] Authentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed. [18:00] Segmentation fault [18:06] ksbalaji: upgrade your system to latest [18:07] reboot [18:07] you have a differnt problem [18:07] not firefox related === fta_ is now known as fta [18:07] ask on #ubuntu [18:42] Jazzva: its on my PPA building atm if you want to test [18:43] gnomefreak, ok... will do later. currently working on a school project [20:39] asac, I just noticed this change in adblock-plus: "Reproduce the MPL license text in debian/copyright as required by policy, instead of installing it as a separate file." [20:39] That means I should fix this in few of my extensions... [20:40] is that a new 3.8.* policy ? [21:16] fta, probably [21:17] "Every package must be accompanied by a verbatim copy of its copyright and distribution license in the file /usr/share/doc/package/copyright. This file must neither be compressed nor be a symbolic link. " [21:17] Jazzva, ^^ [21:18] http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-docs.html#s-copyrightfile [21:19] hmm... ok [21:19] does that apply for gpl/lgpl/the rest in the common-licenses, too? [21:19] no [21:19] "Packages distributed under the UCB BSD license, the Apache license (version 2.0), the Artistic license, the GNU GPL (version 2 or 3), the GNU LGPL (versions 2, 2.1, or 3), and the GNU FDL (version 1.2) should refer to the corresponding files under /usr/share/common-licenses,[92] rather than quoting them in the copyright file. " [21:19] ah... good :) [21:20] [92] In particular, /usr/share/common-licenses/BSD, /usr/share/common-licenses/Apache-2.0, /usr/share/common-licenses/Artistic, /usr/share/common-licenses/GPL-2, /usr/share/common-licenses/GPL-3, /usr/share/common-licenses/LGPL-2, /usr/share/common-licenses/LGPL-2.1, /usr/share/common-licenses/LGPL-3, and /usr/share/common-licenses/GFDL-1.2 respectively. [21:27] Jazzva, and remember to bump standard version to 3.8.0.1 while you're there [21:28] ok [21:38] Jazzva: err. [21:39] i dont think that that copyright policy can be done in ubuntu [21:39] is that a debian policy? [21:40] umm... i suppose.. [21:41] i dont think we can actually do this. we are fighting for CD space [21:41] and thus link everything that is a duplicated file [21:41] same for .gz :) [21:42] so for now, just ignore that imo [21:42] (unless someone complains) [21:42] but this shouldn't be a problem for packages in universe/multiverse, right? [21:42] s/this/that [21:42] hmm... has flash 10 reached hardy yet? [21:42] multiverse for sure [21:43] universe has the same standards license-wise as main [21:43] aha... ok [21:43] only difference is the support promise [21:43] canonical vs. community support [21:43] s/canonical/canonical+comm/ [21:43] Jazzva: yes. [21:43] more or less [21:43] all this will change hopefully [21:43] but its not an easy task to do [21:44] e.g. main vs. universe will go [21:44] change in what way? [21:44] instead we will get "ubuntu desktop", "ubuntu server", "ubuntu server ibm editioN" and such [21:44] there are discussions about that in debian devel [21:44] and how will that handle the support? [21:45] well ... canonical would commit to support the "ubunt udesktop" and whatever seeds [21:45] if there are third party entities that want to support other sets of packages they can do that [21:45] with their own seed [21:45] and where will current universe packages go? [21:46] its still unclear what to do with the intersecting packages though [21:46] Jazzva: universe will stay universe [21:46] main is just going away in the long run [21:46] and will be replaced with "X distro" [21:46] at lesat thats what i understood [21:46] there are plenty of open points though [21:46] i will try to nod as if I understood that... but I think it's a bit fuzzy :) [21:47] its all not well thought out [21:47] e.g. not finalized [21:48] its just understaood that the main/universe split isnt the best and probably isnt the most flexible way to do that [21:48] aham... ok [21:48] :) [21:54] asac, regarding nspluginwrapper, i still tend to get nspluginviewer's processes in a separate window. [21:55] and they don't work [21:55] if I don't close them, I can browse normally, but none of the flash works [21:55] if I close one of them [21:55] next time I bump into some flash object, firefox crashes [21:55] at least, that's what I'm usually getting... [21:55] Jazzva: thats 1.0.0 ? [21:56] Jazzva: have you tried to remove libflashsupport.so? [21:56] (which might still be shipped in ia32-libs) [21:56] at least those create deadlocks [21:56] which might cause issues when firefox wants to reuse the same pluginhost for a new website [21:56] I don't think i'm able to install ia32-libs. i'm on i386 [21:57] And I don't think I have libflashsupport.so. But I'll run a find to make sure it's not there [21:58] Jazzva: oh. you get that on i686 [21:58] strange [21:58] havent seen any issues there [21:59] lucky you :) [22:00] (flash is evil) [22:00] +1 [22:01] fta: convince all the flash developers out there that they should abandon their job [22:01] until that happens flash usage will only accelerate [22:02] (unfortunately) [22:02] they will once there's something better... which has yet to occur [22:02] well. i think you shoul dknow that everyone 30+ would try to put more energy in fighting for an old technology than learning a new one [22:03] as long as the new alternative isnt really far, far ahead, adoption can only go through fresh blood [22:03] who also have to convince their old bosses first ;) [22:03] i think that flash will stay for ages :( [22:03] svg failed [22:04] all depends on whether there is a good developer studio [22:04] that allows non-developers to develop something ;) [22:04] svg is not a good competitor against flash [22:06] i wish svg takes on, now that controls and animations are emerging, yet, it's not a video format, just a 2D vectorial still pictures format [22:06] animations exist for ages [22:06] i used a baltic like 6 years ago with javascript [22:06] to do animation [22:06] in svg ? [22:06] yes [22:06] mozilla doesn't have it yet [22:06] the standard always defined animation ... the java implementation worked for ages [22:07] same for the adobe implementation [22:07] yeah ... mozilla decided against that [22:07] no doubt one of the reasons why it failed [22:07] they will, probably for 3.0.2 [22:07] lets hope [22:07] but then you need to get a good svn implementation to the other 90% of the computers [22:08] before you can really use that as a web-designer [22:11] http://xmlgraphics.apache.org/batik/ [22:11] batik :) ... not baltic ;) [22:12] there's still no native svg in IE, even IE8, but i don't care. I'm producing some now [22:12] fta: well. windows has at least a proper plugin [22:12] i think from adobe ;) [22:13] or was it macromedia ... not that it would make a difference ;) [22:13] which reach end-of-life in december [22:13] +es [22:13] adobe killed it [22:13] oh [22:13] cool [22:13] well, then svg wont fly for sure i guess [22:14] OTOH, there was a talk at moz summit about bringing mozilla technolgies to IE to not have this kind of dilemma [22:14] e.g. produce a svg plugin for IE based on mozilla svg code [22:14] so moz doesnt get stuck because of lazy IE in future [22:36] asac, did they start something already ? [22:39] fta: there was a demonstration about ... some picture format ... let me think ;) [22:46] IE doesn't support SVG? Wow... [22:48] Q: I know this has been talked about (and deflected) over and over, but can we get a sense of what the MSFT mindset is on SVG? I personally think it is a great technology, but the lack of full browser support makes it very hard to use in production.... [22:48] A: We believe that graphics support is important, and SVG is a pretty good capture of capabilities, with lots of industry support (though the spec is big and inconsistently/incompletely implemented across browsers). It didn't make the IE8 cut. [22:49] that's from http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/chats/transcripts/08_0619_ez_ie8.mspx [22:56] umm [22:56] too difficult apparently ;) [22:57] i understand "It didn't make the IE8 cut" as "we have the code but not the quality yet" [22:58] maybe i'm wrong [22:58] asac, still working ? [22:58] you never sleep ? [22:58] no. i understand it as "we didnt care, but we claim that that was for the benefit of the customer - so we could release earlier" :) [22:58] fta: ^^ [22:58] XioNoX: i am back ;) [22:58] i am about to sleep :-D [22:59] its just interesting to see whats going on :-D [23:00] asac, do you think that I could continue to contribute with you help after my internship ? [23:01] if you continue to do useful things, why not :) [23:01] otoh, it puts a pile of load on me too [23:02] but i guess it wont be that intense anyway ;) [23:03] i'll be back at school so it will be less intense [23:03] i guess [23:03] you work only on firefox ? [23:03] and NM ? [23:04] mozilla in general [23:04] weighted by importance to some degree ;) [23:05] ok, nice [23:05] NM is something to get out in a different world. to escape from brain-deadlocks ;) [23:06] i'm using 0.7 if you need feedback ;) [23:06] how many dev works for canonical like you ? [23:06] i have no exact number at hand right now [23:07] and do you read brainstorm idea around firefox ? [23:07] i sometimes do [23:07] or at least try to take a look [23:08] some ideas are great, but hard to do [23:08] faster firefox otoh, isnt really a good idea imo ;) [23:08] "Better sound support" is not really a firefox issue ;) [23:09] what firefox 3.1 will use for the sound of ogg ? [23:10] i hope its gstreamer which can use everything [23:10] You will have to code something specially for pulse of firefox dev take care ? [23:10] fta: ? [23:10] is gstreamer used in video tags? [23:10] not yet [23:10] ok. but i think thats the idea [23:10] which would easily bring us easy-codec-install [23:10] bug 422538 [23:10] mozilla bug 422538 [23:11] ubottu: go [23:11] dead ? [23:11] mozilla bug 422538 [23:11] Mozilla bug 422538 in Video/Audio "Ogg Theora backend for HTML5 video element" [Enhancement,Resolved: fixed] http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=422538 [23:11] hurry ;) [23:11] Sorry, I don't know anything about go [23:11] hm, gst is another one [23:13] mozilla bug 422540 [23:13] Mozilla bug 422540 in Video/Audio "GStreamer backend for HTML5 video element" [Enhancement,Assigned] http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=422540 [23:14] it's a P1 [23:14] Good night ;) [23:14] see you tomorrow [23:14] hmm [23:14] disconnect [23:15] mozilla bug 422540 [23:15] Mozilla bug 422540 in Video/Audio "GStreamer backend for HTML5 video element" [Enhancement,Assigned] http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=422540 [23:15] asac_, good night ;) [23:15] yep [23:15] asac_, btw, the svg animation bug: mozilla bug 216462 [23:16] nearly "landable" [23:16] good news [23:17] but it's a wanted1.9.1 [23:17] Mozilla bug 216462 in SVG "Implement SVG (SMIL) Animation" [Normal,Assigned] http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=216462 [23:17] the bot is slow... [23:17] yeah ;) [23:17] half a meg patch :-D