[00:01] mornfall: whatever happened, adept is working with kdesudo again :) [00:02] JontheEchidna: Oi. That'd be good. : - ) [00:03] maybe some toniomagic(tm) [00:04] JontheEchidna: kgrubeditor published [00:07] JontheEchidna: did you take a look at kdelibs? [00:08] oh well [00:08] found a build log [00:08] hooray [00:10] apachelogger: nope, I didn't [00:11] *uploading fix for kdelibs* [00:21] mornfall: Oh, one thing I noticed. It'd be nice if after you fetch pacakge lists, if it finds updates, that you automatically be taken to the Updates view instead of the Progress view [00:22] JontheEchidna: Well, we don't want to upgrade automatically here, I think. So that might be more confusing than useful. Or, are you talking of updater? [00:23] sorry, I am talking about updater [00:32] JontheEchidna: In that case, yes, that might make sense. [00:32] I'm adding that as a "could" item to TODO. [00:32] ya, it's nothing pressing, just would be convenient [00:33] * JontheEchidna is lazy :P [00:39] :( [00:40] I just found an article that attributes systemsettings to suse [00:40] unless we ripped it off from them? :P [00:42] Well it's a good read, anyway: http://www.northdavisroad.net/2008/08/reimagining-the-desktop/ [00:44] JontheEchidna: that is a bit unfair no one wants to be father of kickoff but everyone of systemsettings [00:45] while the latter is a mac os ripoff anyway :P [00:45] :P [09:22] hello from tunisia :) [09:22] vacations time :) [09:23] Riddell: how was the akademy ? [09:25] Tonio_: still going ;-) [09:25] Nightrose!!!!!!!! [09:25] Tonio_!!! *chokes* !!!!! [09:25] Jucato!!!! ;-) [09:26] hey Jucato, Nightrose :) [09:38] apachelogger: ping [10:48] :( [11:20] Tonio_: akademy was, is and will be great [11:21] lol nice answer :) [11:21] though it will be "gauckademy" next year :) [11:23] jussi01: pong [11:24] apachelogger: yay, you are here :D [11:24] apachelogger: I saw you mentioned on your blog a ff qt deb... could I have a copy? please? [11:25] not yet [11:25] still needs polishing [11:25] ok [11:25] :( [11:25] * jussi01 is currently waiting on the hg checkout... [11:26] lol [11:27] the co is actually the fastest of all tasks ;-) [11:27] hehe [11:28] apachelogger: you know I always get a laugh out of your hackergotchi :P [11:28] I guess that's the primary usecase ;-) [11:30] true... [11:30] in fact [11:31] Riddell: can you please import my planet ubuntu hackergotchi to planetkde? [11:39] :D [11:39] apachelogger: no, sorry can't do hackergotchis [11:39] ok :( [12:31] * Artemis_Fowl loves KDE magic. Turns out it was easier to create the KCModule for KGRUBEditor... [12:32] KDE++ [12:32] ha [12:32] uh [12:32] -rw-r--r-- 1 me me 272M 2008-08-13 13:30 firefox-qt-dbg_0.1~hg20080812-0ubuntu1~ppa1_i386.deb [12:33] Nightrose: indeed the amarok-nightly-dbg package seems rather small now :P [12:33] JontheEchidna: ping [12:33] apachelogger: so its ready now? [12:33] no [12:33] the stupid hg thing wont checkout for me :/ :( [12:34] apachelogger: pong [12:35] jussi01: it just takes forever [12:35] JontheEchidna: do you think it makes sense to ship the -dbg package? [12:35] apachelogger: what kind of forever? [12:35] Jucato: the checkout takes forever [12:35] apachelogger: its still going from here: [jussi@jussi-navicron][13:23][~/ffqt]% hg clone http://hg.mozilla.org/users/vladimir_mozilla.com/mozilla-qt mozilla-qt [12:35] apachelogger: with FF-Qt? Yes [12:35] eh jussi01 even [12:35] hehe [12:36] its now 14.35 :( [12:36] * apachelogger strips features from the package [12:41] kgrubeditor seems a bit ugly fullscreen -.- too much empty space [12:41] seele: ping [12:42] apachelogger: Id appreciate if youd ping me wheneve you have a package to test :) thanks :) [12:42] yah [12:42] apachelogger: I can cope if it eats my machine - so no worries there ;) :D [12:43] it will [12:43] * apachelogger can't influence the .mozilla dir [12:43] hehe [12:43] <\sh> apachelogger: are you working on the new (sip4+pyqt4) release + recompile kdebindings? [12:44] good morning [12:44] <\sh> apachelogger: or should I prepare some packages? [12:44] <\sh> hey Nightrose [12:44] <\sh> and nixternal [12:44] hehe [12:44] <\sh> damn tabcompletion ,-) [12:44] any coredevs around? [12:45] they are all on vacation [12:45] what's up JontheEchidna? [12:45] bug 256733 [12:45] Launchpad bug 256733 in konversation "new upstream release (konversation 1.1)" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/256733 [12:45] yay, 1.1? let me guess, yet another KDE 3 release? [12:46] ya, the last kde3 release [12:46] heard that one before [12:46] <\sh> nixternal: did you see a kde4 svn version? [12:46] * nixternal looks [12:46] \sh: haven't paid attention honestly...I use Irssi [12:46] Riddell said he uploaded it but it never showed up [12:46] <\sh> apachelogger: I'll work on the new pyqt4+sip4+pykde4 stack... [12:53] <\sh> who has the power to upload to main minus riddell? [12:53] * ScottK does [12:53] nixternal does [12:53] I do? [12:53] <\sh> ScottK: can I give you a pointer to a package to push to main? [12:53] :P [12:54] \sh: You can give me a pointer, but I only got 3 hours sleep last night, so no guarantees I'll feel coherent enough to upload it. [12:54] nixternal: You did get core-dev right (or is that a hallucination of my sleep deprived mind)? [12:55] \sh: k [12:55] <\sh> ScottK: ok...let me do the other package and we go with new stuff [12:56] ScottK: ya, just messin' with ya [12:56] OK. Thanks. [12:57] * Jucato glares at apachelogger for mishighlighting him [12:57] * apachelogger hands Jucato a mozilla cookie [12:57] wrong kookie :P [12:57] * Jucato takes it anyway [12:58] * apachelogger makes some coffee while hg is doing it's monster checkout again [12:58] apachelogger: btw, do you know what the plan is for installing a full KDE 3.5 in Intrepid? [12:58] there is no [12:58] we replaced KDE 3.5 [12:58] ah ok [12:58] only webdev and bindings are remaining [12:59] I thought that 3.5 would be transferred to something like /usr/lib/kde3 and ~/.kde3 [12:59] thanks [12:59] Jucato: ya, download some antique linux distro if you want 3.5 :P [12:59] lol [12:59] nixternal: yeah like hardy :) [12:59] there are still Dapper Drake images out there from like 10384308 years ago [12:59] nixternal: not for me though. just wanted to know since people might be asking in #kde and say that no one's answering them in #kubuntu-kde4 :P [12:59] dudes!!!! [13:00] KDE 4 totally owns Gnome in compisiting btw [13:00] of course [13:00] it's KDE [13:00] at work, we have docking stations for our laptops with 2 monster LCDs [13:00] In 4.2 it'll get Desktop Cube/Cylinder/Sphere and an improved Destkop Grid [13:00] considering kwin owns metacity, with or without compositing, that's not surprising :) [13:00] and I can triple screen them, and set a different background on each monitor [13:00] oh, and compisiting still works after that [13:00] #kubuntu-kde4 will disappear at intrepids' release... [13:00] yay KDE 4!!! [13:00] omg [13:00] jussi01: :( [13:01] poor -kde4 :( [13:01] JontheEchidna: it will merge with #kubuntu [13:01] yeah... poor apachelogger and JontheEchidna's kingdom :) [13:01] * JontheEchidna doesn't even hang out in #kubuntu [13:01] argh, I need to start getting ready for work :( [13:01] we could make #kubuntu-cool-people [13:01] and fwd -kde4 to that [13:01] haha [13:01] bye nixternal [13:01] apachelogger: no!! #kubuntu-kool-people :P [13:01] get it right [13:01] #kkp [13:02] hehe [13:02] nixternal: don't forget to poke me when you start working on docs. I totally have no idea what needs to be done or how it has to be done [13:02] yarr [13:02] my new mozilla-qt tar is only 26.8 mib [13:02] <\sh> we just could : "Dear Nokia, please tell the world: GNOME 3 will be KDE5" ,-> [13:02] Jucato: working on them now, but I need to do a little more clean up and I will see what section(s) you want to work on [13:02] the thing is ... I probably removed all the stuff I need ;-) [13:02] hehe [13:02] nixternal: anything that doesn't deal with networking :) [13:02] groovy [13:03] I will do the networking again probably anyways [13:03] * jussi01 just wishes he could actually get a tar :/ [13:03] apachelogger: http://ubuntufacile.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/qt_logo.png [13:03] it is a tricky section as people want us to document hooking up modems :/ [13:03] * nixternal gets ready for work [13:04] JontheEchidna: horrible artwork [13:04] * apachelogger uses it [13:04] got it off a spanish ubuntu blog [13:04] or maybe Italian [13:05] ohhh [13:05] it needs to be freeee! [13:05] ...that reminds me I probably should strip binaries from the tarball :S [13:06] might be a good idea [13:06] :P [13:07] well [13:07] it doesn't really matter [13:07] * apachelogger is not planing on moving this into the archives [13:07] too hackish [13:10] apachelogger: I took your advice and now the KCModule+app are in a single tarball [13:10] apachelogger: but [13:10] is there a way to tell cmake which of the 2 to install? [13:10] do you have any idea? [13:11] cmake 2.6 has a component technology [13:11] I don't know whether you can abuse it for that kind of stuff [13:11] usually it's meant to define which stuff is dev related, which lib etc. [13:12] Artemis_Fowl: otherwise you can always make it a cmake option [13:12] only turn the app on by default for example [13:12] how is this done [13:12] ah [13:12] ? [13:12] toolkit/toolkit-tiers.mk:43: js/src/build.mk: No such file or directory [13:12] I hate it -.- [13:13] Artemis_Fowl: the former is probably described in the cmake documentation [13:13] for the latter you can take a look at kdebindings [13:13] almost any binding for soprano, plasma, khtml etc. is made via an option which is either on or off by default [13:22] good [13:22] I think what I found in kdebindings fit my needs [13:22] fits* [13:24] apachelogger: I heard back from ivan [13:24] Ivan Cukic the Lancelot dude [13:25] The library (liblancelot) is LGPL, and the rest is also LGPL ATM (it will be [13:25] changed to GPL for the application and the applets - it was a copy-paste [13:25] mistake). So should copying contain GPL, LGPL, or information about which [13:25] license applies to which part, and to contain the licenses in a separate file? [13:25] morning! [13:25] hi [13:26] Anybody know what's considered proper in Lancelot's case? [13:26] they should fix it [13:27] The stuff I pasted was Ivan's questions [13:27] starting with "The library..." [13:28] hrmrm [13:29] JontheEchidna: just add COPYING and COPYING.LIB [13:30] i don't see any copyright [13:30] pfft, apachelogger [13:30] you guys checkout lithium power manager? [13:30] JontheEchidna: he only needs to ensure that every source file has a proper license/and copyright headers and that complete copies of the GNU licenses are available [13:31] vorian: what? [13:31] apachelogger: yus! [13:31] * apachelogger also wants to note that there are 3000 power manager applications for KDE 4 [13:31] this one works great for lappies [13:32] * apachelogger also wants to suggest that g-p-m should get a feature where screen light dims after $time of inactivity [13:32] bug 257179 [13:32] Launchpad bug 257179 in ubuntu "[needs-packaging] lithium-power-manager for kde" [Wishlist,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/257179 [13:33] vorian: looks like a g-p-m ripp-off :P [13:33] well, it is [13:33] :P [13:34] * apachelogger senses a workaround [13:34] !workaround [13:34] Sorry, I don't know anything about workaround [13:34] omg [13:34] how do you teach ubottu stuff? [13:34] do ! is [13:35] or ubo ttu is [13:35] then the botmasters will approve/reject your request [13:35] ubottu workaround is ...and apachelogger hates workarounds! [13:35] mostly the latter [13:35] latter++ [13:35] we need an rbot :P [13:35] kubottu [13:36] hmmm [13:36] vorian: li is not properly licensed :P [13:36] python++; [13:36] I noticed, thus it has yet to arrive on revu [13:37] so do we want a supybot then jpds apachelogger? [13:37] hehe [13:37] <\sh> apachelogger: rainCt wrote a cool bot ,-> [13:37] we'll steal jussi01's source code [13:37] * vorian runs [13:37] vorian: go for it [13:37] * apachelogger wants an rbot :P [13:37] !botclone [13:37] The plugins that make ubottu are available from https://code.launchpad.net/~tsimpson/ubuntu-bots/tweak [13:38] \sh: Yeah, but... it's in Python. [13:38] * apachelogger can't work with python [13:38] <\sh> jpds: python is da language even for KDE ,-> [13:38] \sh: apachelogger is a Ruby person. [13:38] could do an eggdrop [13:38] I always end up reading docs instead of coding [13:38] vorian: Oo [13:38] <\sh> apachelogger: you are young, you have time to deal with ruby...I'm old, I don't have time anymore to learn japanese ,-) [13:38] vorian: that is so 90's [13:38] vorian: if you want a bot, just clone ubottu - its real easy... :) [13:38] so? [13:39] \sh: kenji is way cooler than that stupid arabic stuff anyway :P [13:39] <\sh> apachelogger: therefore I write python, because it's more natural ,-) [13:39] eggdrops are omg<3 [13:39] jussi01: do a /ns info unclesam [13:39] oh... :) [13:39] forgot you ran that one [13:39] \sh: I never noticed the naturality about python :( [13:39] always seemd rather unnatrual really [13:39] or maybe I am just damaged by markey [13:40] I shouldn't have grown up with amarok [13:40] very bad idea [13:40] vorian: li does have such a dim feature! [13:40] * apachelogger loves osx rip-offs [13:40] <\sh> apachelogger: to quote thekorn: diff_users = set((i.registrar.realname, i.registrar.lplogin) for i in self.projectlist if not i.registrar.lplogin in users) [13:41] what is set() doing? [13:41] <\sh> apachelogger: creating a set? :) [13:42] Oo [13:42] <\sh> apachelogger: rtfm harhar ,-) [13:42] unnatrual [13:42] I tell you [13:42] vorian: who is upstream for g-p-m nowadays? [13:43] <\sh> anyone with main power: http://archive.linux-server.org/pyqt-stuff/ <- sip4-qt3 new version + python-qt4 new version please upload..it will fix bugs bugs bugs [13:43] btw, we could just clone ubottu and let stdin maintain it :P [13:43] \sh: see, I should have applied for coredev [13:43] <\sh> apachelogger: why didn't you? :) [13:44] because you said it's pointless anyway, because of the upcoming ACL :P [13:44] <\sh> apachelogger: oh this acl stuff is already running ...there were rumours [13:44] \sh: yeah [13:44] the dkms maintainer got acl because dkms moved to main [13:45] jussi01: i haven't had unclesam running for some time now [13:45] but it's a trial run and only will get public after success [13:45] which could be days or weeks or months [13:45] <\sh> apachelogger: any clue how to apply for those acls? I could do the python stuff for qt/kde again ,-) [13:45] woo, another crash report [13:45] vorian: right. I remember it from when I used to hang out on #ubuntuforums :) [13:45] :) [13:45] \sh: TB I think [13:46] grr... my machine has issues [13:46] it wont download large files :/ [13:46] \sh: see Minutes from the Technical Board, 2008-07-15 on devel-announce [13:46] hence my problems with the hg stuff :( [13:46] make[4]: *** No rule to make target `memory/jemalloc/Makefile.in', needed by `memory/jemalloc/Makefile'. Stop. [13:47] well [13:47] i would love to see g-p-m actually be able to handle suspend and screen dim [13:47] autotools is one gigantic workaround [13:47] vorian: wfm [13:47] anyway [13:47] * apachelogger gotta visit a friend [13:47] riiiiiiiight [13:48] someone get g-p-m to get a dim when idle feature [13:48] and find out what else needs to be stolen from lithium/osx on that topic :P [13:48] hahahaha [13:48] someoneelse get kubottu up'n'running [13:49] and get mozilla to swtich away from autotools [13:49] * apachelogger shudders [13:49] cya [13:49] toodles [14:17] Artemis_Fowl: pong, but i'm at the workshop [14:17] seele: we'll talk propably later because I have to go in a couple of mins [14:20] Artemis_Fowl: ok. i probably wont be back until this weekend [14:20] i'm leaving tomorrow [14:21] ah ok. no problem. it's about some minor layout issues in the SystemSettings module [14:22] ok [14:50] seele, Nightrose: kubuntu dinner tonight? [14:50] yes! [14:50] any other kubunteros here? [14:50] sime could count [14:50] el could too [14:51] oo hyes [14:51] ooh yes [14:51] i found a serious bug and im not sure if its in the ubuntu server kernel or vbox [14:51] eagles0513875: neither are we [14:52] it says that it requires the features that are not on teh cpu 0:6 unable to boot please use the appropriate kernel for your cpu [14:53] Riddell: sounds good - but we are having an amarok dinner tonight - you both can probably join [14:54] Riddell: or maybe tomorrow on the boat? [14:54] Nightrose: i'm gone tomorrow noon [14:54] i installed itunes thru wine in linux and still can't get it to "see" my ipod. i opened up both rhythmbox and songbird; they both "see" my ipod, but i can't get them to sync it. how can i do all three of these things: get itunes to see my ipod thru wine, sync my ipod in rhythmbox, and sync my ipod in songbird? [14:55] <\sh> ncfi1013_: 1. wine -> #ubuntu-wine and ask yokozar 2. buy a mac ;) [14:56] seele: ah too bad [14:56] then today somehow [14:59] yay work! [15:04] Nightrose: where is the amarok dinner? [15:05] Riddell: not decided yet [15:09] hopefully on a table? with chairs? [15:09] Nightrose: you have a very seductive stare/glare in one pic btw :) [15:09] dinner this week tends to become an epic adventure [15:09] Jucato: :P it is horrible [15:09] seele: hehe indeed [15:10] Nightrose: I believe BCoppens mislabed it.. it should have been "looking at me seductively" :P [15:10] haha [15:17] Riddell: can you take a look at kdegames? kde4.mk seems to drop some files and the build fails === Knightlust is now known as Initial_M [16:13] devfil: I know, it's most strange, no idea why [16:16] Riddell: just starting tests on kub live [16:16] Riddell: did you fix the oem issue do you know? [16:16] davmor2: no I'm afraid not [16:17] okay I'll not bother testing it for now leave it till tomorrow or something :) [16:18] Riddell: you should revert last change if it causes ftbfs [16:18] no [16:18] we should fix it [16:20] apachelogger: if you know how to fix it do it [16:20] looking into right now [16:21] the only difference should be the added rules for generating .pot files [16:21] there's shouldn't be anything that deletes random files [16:23] Riddell: if I'm not wrong the .sh file remove the files [16:25] err, really? [16:25] that's evil [16:26] jr@wido:~/src/kdegames/kdegames-4.1.0/kollision>grep rm Messages.sh [16:26] rm -f *.cpp [16:26] evilness [16:26] why ever would it do that? [16:27] Riddell: Did it pee you off? [16:28] davmor2: which? [16:28] the evilness [16:29] if so that's why? You should know by now that it has to bite back from time to time to keep you on your toes ;) [16:31] Riddell: it is not evil or it should do rm -rf /, maybe only strange :) [16:51] Riddell: ping [16:52] apachelogger: ping [16:52] davmor2: pong [16:53] hi davmor2 [16:53] don't know if you can help. Installer is dying at 82% [16:53] scanning mirror [16:54] oh hang on it's just leaped back into life [16:54] it's still taking nearly 20 minutes though [16:55] and 32bit is still on 82% :( [16:55] * apachelogger has no clue about the installer [16:55] davmor2: maybe the mirror is just slow? [16:56] I don't know I can dl stuff from it fast enough... [17:03] Oh well don't worry seems to be working again now :) [17:04] * apachelogger blames the mirror :P [17:04] * apachelogger also blames mozilla [17:09] apachelogger: You can blame anything you want it still happened :P Mind you it is at least working now :) [17:11] Riddell: your printer-config-kde 0.11 has got in so the printer config doesn't work still [17:14] ? [17:16] Riddell: the printer config thingy that you linked to in your temp space yesterday to fix the breakage isn't in today's iso so it still doesn't work. 0.10 is still on the iso not 0.11 [17:18] grr, it didn't get accepted [17:18] :) [17:18] just letting you know :) [17:20] hmm, the network here doesn't seem to like ftp [17:21] that might explain it [17:22] Teach you to go off to bleedin' conferences then wont it ;) [17:23] hm [17:23] ssh > ftp [17:23] for that matter sftp > ftp [17:24] I don't think I can upload with sftp [17:26] Riddell: why wouldn't you? [17:26] if you have ssh access sftp should work pretty much [17:26] apachelogger: how? [17:26] dolphin sftp://user@host [17:26] Riddell: sftp is based upon ssh [17:26] apachelogger: to the ubuntu upload thing [17:27] Riddell: ah you mean via dput? [17:27] yes [17:27] ok, that indeed isn't going to work [17:27] which makes we wonder why we use ftp at all [17:29] it was the fashion, back in the day === blizzzek is now known as blizzz [17:42] hum.. humgry [17:42] still people in the hci room though [17:45] seele: can't you eat in the hci room? or is that bad usability? :) [17:46] Jucato: no i want real food [17:46] i only got to eat half my salad from lunch today because we were so busy [17:46] as opposed to fake food? [17:46] aaah [17:46] :) [17:47] sebas! [17:47] havent seen you in a while [17:47] (in the channel) [17:48] he just disconnected 2 minutes ago, and reconnected :) [17:49] oh [17:49] hah [17:50] you really do need food [17:50] Riddell: still hungry or did you leave already? [18:22] elo all chatting.. [18:25] i am sorry for starting in such way..can i ask a question to kubuntu users? [18:32] hmm a silent for a while..:) [18:32] anyway... [18:34]