[15:00] <thorwil> hi pwnguin
[15:01] <pwnguin> hi
[16:23] <_MMA_> thorwil: Nice going on the Ibex horns. I worry it won't be "slick" enough for the higher ups in Canonical for default but I do feel it would be a great addition to what is shipped. One of the most original and well thought out so far. IMO.
[16:29] <pwnguin> honestly, i'm not a fan of pencil art
[16:39] <thorwil> _MMA_: hi, thanks :)
[16:40] <thorwil> _MMA_: i thought zoom scales up until the screen is filled, so both cases of wider and taller are taken cae of?
[16:40] <_MMA_> np
[16:40] <thorwil> pwnguin: pencil art?
[16:41] <pwnguin> it kinda reminds me of colored pencil
[16:41] <_MMA_> thorwil: If a widescreen image id used with Zoom it fills to the top and bottom and crops the sides.
[16:41] <_MMA_> s/id/is
[16:42] <thorwil> _MMA_: i guess first it will be about kwwii's reaction
[16:42] <pwnguin> but if we're proposing backgrounds, they really outta be demo'd in situ
[16:42] <pwnguin> i suspect the corners are too bright
[16:42] <thorwil> _MMA_: i meant: with zoom you never get empty borders!?
[16:42] <_MMA_> thorwil: Correct
[16:42] <thorwil> _MMA_: phew. you got me worried for a bit :)
[16:43] <thorwil> if people knew that i tend to use a solid gray background for myself ^^
[16:44] <thorwil> pwnguin: well, i will refine that one a bit more, but i plan to add at least 2 other concepts
[16:44] <_MMA_> I'm really going to be looking at KDE4 theming here soon. It looks to be much more robust atm.
[16:44] <thorwil> to then make a package
[16:44] <pwnguin> thorwil: sure. im just saying, asking people to evaluate a background without a foreground is going to lead to pain
[16:45] <thorwil> pwnguin: there's no foreground i could offer ...
[16:45] <pwnguin> what?
[16:45] <_MMA_> It will lead to pain regardless. Most people around here only have their opinions. Nothing to really back it up.
[16:45] <thorwil> not knowing what kwii is up to for intepid
[16:46] <thorwil> pwnguin: but i switched to hardy defaults to develop this stuff in context :)
[16:46] <_MMA_> thorwil: Yeah. I think it's totally up in the air for now.
[16:46] <pwnguin> thorwil: i'd say go with hardy defaults
[16:46] <pwnguin> if it doesn't mesh with whatever kwii is up to
[16:46] <pwnguin> he should have made it more clear
[16:47] <_MMA_> I'd also use the current Intrepid theme to compare. I imagine some version of that will happen.
[16:59]  * thorwil wonders why "New Wave new version available" appears inside the Background Concept thread in Evolution
[16:59] <_MMA_> Odd
[17:22] <spikemcc> allo il y a quelqu'un pour développer mon idée de design pour intrepid ici ? j'aurai aussi une idée pour le site brainstorm ...
[17:22] <spikemcc> je cherchais didier roche pour lui donner en personne l'idée
[17:24] <_MMA_> spikemcc: Parlez-vous anglais?
[17:25] <spikemcc> non ou très peu ce qui ne m'aide pas sur les sites mais pour communiquer ... I can talk english but I cannot make an idea clear like a lake in english ...
[17:26] <pwnguin> i think we'll survive ;)
[17:26] <spikemcc> ok perfect
[17:26] <pwnguin> french is as clear as mud to me =/
[17:26] <_MMA_> Especially since I don't really speak French. ;)
[17:26] <spikemcc> i got a full design idea and topic for intrepid
[17:27] <_MMA_> ok
[17:27] <spikemcc> Ubuntu 8.10 Intrepid Ibex take the "devil" by the horns ...
[17:27] <spikemcc> change it the way you like
[17:28] <spikemcc> next the idea for the cd should be a cd-rw if possible it's reusable so no possible waste after a distro upgrade ...
[17:29] <spikemcc> next the cd design
[17:29] <pwnguin> actually, theres nothing stopping you from doing that today
[17:29] <pwnguin> presumably you want something closer to a "diff"
[17:30] <pwnguin> but thats not really a -artwork thing
[17:31] <spikemcc> all in graphite with two silver labels ... the logo of ubuntu is the middle of the cd but add horns to the balls ... tux and gnu mascot each side
[17:31] <spikemcc> and a horizontal line in the middle
[17:32] <_MMA_> spikemcc: Best thing would to be to post to the artwork mailing list with a mock-up of your idea.
[17:32] <spikemcc> next why not use ubuntu id card idea and product id idea on the cd case
[17:32] <_MMA_> And in the end, it will be up to you to execute the design. You won't get anything but chat here.
[17:33] <pwnguin> I think what MMA means is that #ubuntu-artwork doesn't exist to execute other people's ideas, but is rather a space for people collaborate while working on their own ideas
[17:34] <_MMA_> Better put.
[17:34] <spikemcc> i'm worst than hell at drawing i thinked that if it interess someone here he could make it
[17:34] <_MMA_> And the artwork team has *no* control as to what Canonical puts on the Ship-It CDs.
[17:35] <pwnguin> everyone someone complains that canonical controls things, i can only imagine their real complaint is that they're not the person in charge
[17:37] <_MMA_> If that's aimed at me, I could care less. What I said is just the simple truth of the matter. Ubuntu Ship-It CDs are a Canonical product.
[17:37] <spikemcc> !wiki artwork
[17:37] <thorwil> i havn't really been following the New Wave discussion ... do you guys know whether there's an intention that the panel and title/menubars look like they sit _behind_ window content?
[17:38] <pwnguin> _MMA_: it is aimed at you, and more people in general. someone comes a long with a suggestion, and people say "dont even bother, it's up to canonical"
[17:38] <_MMA_> thorwil: I don't know personally. I know there's a theme with tabs thike that that drives me nuts.
[17:40] <spikemcc> can you show me the best ideas that you think they deserve a look ?
[17:41] <_MMA_> pwnguin: In this case, it's absolutely true. You can continue making rude generalizations about people but it doesn't make what I said untrue.
[17:41] <_MMA_> You take things how you want.
[17:46] <spikemcc> hey you need t subscribe to artwork mailing list ?
[17:46] <spikemcc> to
[17:46] <_MMA_> spikemcc: Correct.
[17:47] <pwnguin> the mailing list is open to everyone; it is english however
[17:47] <pwnguin> as an international organization, Ubuntu operates in english as a greatest common denominator
[17:47] <thorwil> i do not want to even want to imagine how it would be if non-subscribers could post :/
[17:47] <pwnguin> they probably can
[17:48] <pwnguin> via moderation
[17:48] <spikemcc> i know but it will be far harder in english than in french for me
[17:48] <pwnguin> and french will be far harder for the germans
[17:48] <thorwil> impossible, even! ^^
[17:49] <pwnguin> to say nothing of the americans ;)
[17:49] <spikemcc> i'm good in english in a conversation but reading things alone without a meaning in a sentence it's quite harder
[17:54] <spikemcc> where i'm going in that it's huge !!!
[17:55] <spikemcc> post a link something i will turn crazy i seek to a place to writes theses ideas
[19:09] <spikemcc> quelqu'un peut me dire un bon logiciel de dessin simple pour ubuntu mais puissant permettant la transparence et les textures ?
[19:24] <nand> spikemcc: the gimp, in simpler? KPaint?
[19:27] <spikemcc> kpaint ?
[19:27] <spikemcc> j'essaye
[19:28] <thorwil> nothing can match ms paint!!1
[19:29] <spikemcc> lol
[19:41] <spikemcc> cherche graphiste ou membre de l'équipe artwork d'urgence !!!
[20:31] <nand> spikemcc: you'll get more chances by speaking english...
[20:38] <spikemcc> i know english so well that i'm lost on the artwork wiki
[20:39] <spikemcc> i'm trying to give you some of my ideas