[00:58] <mrooney> okay, this might be something obvious I am missing, but how can I tell if a package is installed by default in Ubuntu? Say, http://packages.ubuntu.com/hardy/python-gtk2
[01:00] <james_w> mrooney: that's not easy as far as I know
[01:00] <james_w> there may be an easy way
[01:00] <james_w> either looking at the cd manifests or germinate output would do it
[01:00] <mrooney> oh I see, thanks james_w
[01:01] <james_w> however, that's not that easy
[01:01] <mrooney> I don't need to know in a general case, do you know for that specific one?
[01:01] <mrooney> I like our dueling conversations by the way :)
[01:02] <james_w> :-)
[01:02] <james_w> I don't know about that one
[01:02] <james_w> I would guess that it is
[01:02] <mrooney> yeah, I would think
[01:02] <mrooney> ubuntu loves both python and gtk
[01:02] <james_w> there are several things, e.g. jockey that are written in python and gtk that in the default install
[01:02] <james_w> exactly
[01:03] <bdmurray> doesn't task: ubuntu-desktop mean it is installed by default?
[01:03] <james_w> oh, that might well be it, yes
[01:06] <mrooney> okay, sounds good enough :)
[01:06] <mrooney> I was going to take up the task of making some small GUIs for some new things
[01:06] <mrooney> and wanted to do without pulling in another depend
[01:07] <james_w> cool
[01:07] <james_w> what sort of thing?
[01:07] <mrooney> specifically for the new encrypted private directory in Intrepid
[01:07] <mrooney> my preference is python-wxgtk2.8, I wish that was installed by default, but alas :)
[01:08] <james_w> that could be cool
[01:08] <james_w> I don't know if you've spoken to kirkland, but he's the one leading that effort, and he may be interested in your work
[01:09] <mrooney> yeah I have a pending wiki edit now :)
[01:11] <mrooney> okay, time to move some large objects!
[01:12] <bdrung> is here someone who has the right to mark a bug as wontfix?
[01:12] <nhandler> What bug bdrung ?
[01:12] <bdrung> bug #209209, #150405 and #201689. all packages was removed (xmms related)
[01:19] <nhandler> Done
[01:21] <bdrung> thanks
[01:27] <bdrung> nhandler: bug #95949 need wontfix too
[01:27] <bdrung> we should close all xmms related bugs, shouldn't we? xmms and all xmms-based tools were removed.
[01:35] <nhandler> Done
[01:38] <bdrung> nhandler: thanks
[02:23] <anakron> Hi mruiz1
[02:23] <anakron> !
[06:00] <nellery> Awsoonn, looks like ur /Organizing page got left behind with the moinmoin updates
[06:19] <nellery> is it a known issue that bugnumbers still generates the old moinmoin markup with --format=bugday ?
[06:21] <dholbach> good morning
[06:21] <dholbach> nellery: I guess it wasn't changed yet - best either you file a bug or publish a branch with the fix :-)
[06:22] <nellery> dholbach, ok thanks :)
[07:49] <tuxmaniac> can someone set the importance of bug 257508 to Wishlist?
[07:49] <tuxmaniac> please
[07:50] <nellery> tuxmaniac, done :)
[07:51] <tuxmaniac> nellery: thank you.
[07:52] <nellery> no problem
[08:31] <dholbach> hi thekorn - did you hear about bug 257516 before?
[08:32] <thekorn> dholbach, morgen Daniel
[08:32] <thekorn> let me check
[08:34] <dholbach> thekorn: seems it's fixed in bzr
[08:34] <thekorn> dholbach, this looks like a http connection error,
[08:34] <thekorn> so you can ealways reproduce it with the package version?
[08:35] <dholbach> thekorn: it looks very reproducible, yes
[08:35] <thekorn> hmm,
[08:38] <thekorn> I can reproduce it here right now, will have a closer look at it later today
[08:41] <dholbach> thanks a lot Markus
[09:22] <Ampelbein> Could someone please have a look at Bug 254390. I set it to invalid because i don't think it's an issue to be dealt with, but the user wants to have it reopened again. Thanks.
[09:34] <techno_freak> Ampelbein, the latest comments answers his questions :)
[09:45] <techno_freak> bug 257510 looks like a wishlist
[11:53] <bdrung> is here someone who has the right to mark a bug as wontfix, maybe nhandler?
[11:55] <bdrung> xmms was removed since hardy. can someone mark the bugs #205191, #198369, #158102, #153104, #144185, #129824, #127346, #123597, #117562, #116126, #109452, #107665, #106735, #84492, #78852, #76597, #64517, #62773, #56964, #37245, #16812, #869, #68087, #48181, #40467, #41311 as wontfix? I have already written a comment.
[13:28] <mrooney> bdrung: are those really wontfix? if the issue exists in Dapper/Feisty/Gutsy, those are still supported, so the bugs are valid I believe
[13:32] <hubuntu> I want to get started with 5-a-day and general bug triaging
[13:32] <bdrung> mrooney: if they should be fixed for dapper/feisty/gutsy they can be nominated for a release
[13:32] <mrooney> hubuntu: great! there are some great resources in the topic
[13:33] <mrooney> specifically the HelpingWithBugs link
[13:33] <hubuntu> let's me check
[13:34] <mrooney> bdrung: I really don't think standard behavior is to WontFix bugs just because they are fine in the current release, though I could be wrong.
[13:34] <Hobbsee> mrooney: well, will they ever get fixed?
[13:35] <Hobbsee> i don't remember either
[13:36] <mrooney> Hobbsee: sure, they could, I don't see why not, we fix bugs in dapper, feisty, and gutsy all the time
[13:36] <mrooney> granted because in this case the package was removed, that changes things
[13:36] <bdrung> mrooney: iirc the bug status is for the current release.
[13:37] <mrooney> you could be right, I don't have a great understanding of what to do in this case
[13:37] <mrooney> bdmurray could probably assist!
[13:38] <mrooney> persia or hggdh might also know :)
[13:43] <hubuntu> when I'm the process of triaging is it ok to ask here or is there any other channel for such things?
[13:45] <james_w> hubuntu: it's fine to ask in here, that's the point of the channel :-)
[13:46] <hubuntu> ok :)
[13:54] <hubuntu> there is a link in the https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/HowToTriage guide which do not work:
[13:54] <hubuntu> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugTrackingSystem which ends up in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Malone?action=show&redirect=BugTrackingSystem
[13:59] <hggdh> mrroney, re fixing bugs on older releases -- it depends
[14:00] <hggdh> if it is a LTS release, and the fix can be backported, then it is possible it will be fixed
[14:00] <hggdh> if it is a security exposure, it will be fixed
[14:01] <hggdh> I will be right back (have to walk the dogs)
[14:31] <LimCore> so, anyone knows how to disable apparmored? in a way that actually works?
[14:31] <Hobbsee> i told you how to before.
[14:31] <LimCore> well, that unpolite guy kicked me, so I didnt read
[14:32] <Hobbsee> firstly, elkbuntu is not a guy.  secondly, you had ample time to read, as you responded twice afterwards.
[14:32] <LimCore> stop instead kill? it seems it worked
[14:33] <Hobbsee> see?  so you did read it.
[14:33] <Hobbsee> please stop lying.
[14:35] <LimCore> Hobbsee: I am not lying, I read log after I written that I didnt read it. Please stop accusing people of lying
[14:36]  * Hobbsee notes if you want to troll, like you've been doing in -offtopic for days, you can do it elsewhere, too.  That is your final warning - in any channel.
[14:36] <LimCore> is it a known problem - printing doesnt work recently - or not?  As it, does it affect all people?
[14:38] <Hobbsee> it worked last time i checked.  which was a while ago.
[14:40] <LimCore> only PDF fails
[15:08] <snap-l> May I have some feedback on bug 256729
[15:09] <snap-l> I reported this bug using apport and the bug reporting system, which gave a core-dump and what I thought was good information.
[15:09] <snap-l> The core dump was removed, and the bug marked "invalid", with a canned response.
[15:11] <Hobbsee> snap-l: useless stack trace, it looks like.  Beyond that, i don't know.
[15:11] <snap-l> I'm not sure where to go with this bug report. If the tools I'm given (and possibly our users) aren't good enough to lodge a bug report, how can we ever expect to get good reports from our users, and by extension, fix the issues?
[15:12] <snap-l> I know the issue is flash, and I know is likely a dead-end.
[15:12] <Hobbsee> snap-l: flash, by nature, is going to be one of the worse bug areas for this - afaik, there aren't many debug symbols, etc, or much debugging that goes on, due to the lack of source.
[15:13] <Hobbsee> ie, i wouldn't take it as a representative sample that the rest of the packages in ubuntu are like that, and that therefore, teh tools aren't good enough.
[15:13] <Hobbsee> (they may be, i don't know)
[15:13] <snap-l> Perhaps we can come up with a more friendly response for unsupported software like flash that isn't quite as off-putting as that one? :)
[15:14] <hggdh> snap-l, yes, please propose one
[15:17] <hggdh> snap-l, re bug 256729: this was an apport--generated bug. With the bad stack trace, there is not much we can do here. What you can do: (1) go to /var/crash, and remove the crash for firefox; (2) wait for it to happen again
[15:17] <hggdh> it will generate a new crash report, and a new proposal for a LP bug
[15:18] <snap-l> Like "thank you for your bug report. Your bug report appears to reference Adobe Flash. Adobe Flash currently does not provide useful debugging information that our developers can use to improve the software. Please conract Adobe for any support request relating to the Flash plugin.
[15:18] <Knightlust> wow
[15:18] <Knightlust> dito nako
[15:18] <Knightlust> ngek
[15:18] <Knightlust> iba nick
[15:18] <Knightlust> sowweee
[15:19] <Knightlust> initial to
[15:19] <Knightlust> panu ulit palit ng nick
[15:19] <jpds> !en
[15:26] <hggdh> what you can *also* do: make sure you have the debug packages for firefox, flash (what is available), etc
[15:27] <LimCore> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cups-pdf/+bug/257603
[15:27] <hggdh> snap-l, this is not *completely* correct. Flash does not provide much in terms of debug data, true, but we should still try
[16:20] <Initial_M> ???
[16:21] <Initial_M> hi guys
[16:28] <bdmurray> Morning
[16:40] <hggdh> LimCore, did you try to run the program from a konsole?
[16:51] <pwnguin> wpa2 isn't working on my laptop
[16:51] <pwnguin> how can i figure out where the problem lies?
[17:16] <bdmurray> pedro_: do you remember that gnome-terminal bug from yesterday?
[17:17] <pedro_> bdmurray: yes the master one? bug 256769
[17:17] <bdmurray> the same thing just happened to me with terminator
[17:21] <pedro_> ah yes could be since it's a vte issue
[17:21] <bdmurray> great, I'm not safe anywhere
[17:21] <bdmurray> ;)
[17:22] <pedro_> haha sorry :-P
[17:23] <LimCore> hggdh: no.. which command should I try?
[17:23] <bdmurray> luckily screen will protect me!
[17:30] <hggdh> LimCore, first of all, how to you request a printout? Where are you, and what options you select? What version of KDE?
[18:17] <mattik> Why I haven't got permission to https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/131868
[18:18] <mattik> It said my bug is duplicate with it, but it's sure because I cannot check
[18:18] <mattik> is it sure
[18:18] <mattik> This is very old bug and I'm using Intrepid
[18:20] <pedro_> mattik: let me look at it
[18:22] <mattik> switch-user-applet if I remember right
[18:22] <mattik> It doesn't keep on in Intrepid
[18:26] <pedro_> mattik: i've re open it, thanks
[18:28] <mattik> pedro: thank you :) where is my bug report now? or do I need it?
[18:28] <LimCore> hggdh: it happens in KPDF viewer (it was working always before). Btw, from ghostview it prints fine (I use it uses other method?)
[18:28] <pedro_> mattik: in the same place (number)
[18:32] <mattik> pedro: thank you :). How could I report more about this. Do you need some tests?
[18:34] <pedro_> mattik: if you can give us some steps in order to reproduce the crash that would help a lot too, just put them on the report , thanks :-)
[18:34] <Ampelbein> Hi! Could someone please check on Bug 256629? Now that I've got enough information and done some research I found out that the specific WLan-Card (Intel® Wireless WiFi Link 5100 WLAN) is not supported under Kernel 2.6.24, but will be supported in 2.6.26. What is the correct status to set this bug to? Fix-Released?
[18:34] <mattik> ok, I log out and
[18:34] <mattik> log in again
[19:11] <bdmurray> nellery: I'm in the process of merging your patch.  Thanks!
[19:12] <nellery> bdmurray, no problem :)
[22:10] <calc> bdmurray: did the graphs stop updating?
[22:10] <calc> looks like they haven't updated in the last hour at least
[22:11] <calc> about 15min until the next run if its not broken
[22:11] <bdmurray> calc: yeah, I'm looking into it
[22:11] <calc> ok
[22:22] <Initial_M> hi
[22:38] <andre____> hmm. to which local dir does synaptic download the packages?
[22:39] <bdmurray>  /var/cache/apt/archives/
[22:40] <andre____> ah, thanks a lot!