[00:08] peace is coming, but war is on the pill. [00:52] I just have no idea what just happened... === myrtti_ is now known as Myrtti [00:55] hmm [00:55] ##ubuntu-teens == #ubunteens [00:55] now they've renamed it again? [00:55] ja [00:58] * Myrtti sighs [01:00] * Myrtti pats the microphone [01:00] is this thing on? [01:00] one two one two [01:00] group of about 3 people who seem to feel quite strongly that the channel should exist [01:01] and that me trying to convince them is against the CoC [01:07] all is cool. [01:13] blah, people [01:17] goodnight [01:23] I just had the horrible thought [01:23] ? [01:23] that server I was on, that just rebooted for no reason [01:23] it's the same server that has my copy of ubottu [01:23] s/rebooted/shutdown/ [01:24] so... [01:26] * Seeker` -> bed [01:27] * nalioth masticates his artichoke hearts . . . [01:31] * mneptok gets aroused [01:33] * Myrtti rolls her eyes [01:52] heads up in -ot [02:12] I'm trying to run down where I get http_proxy set to htpp://:8080 ; I've looked in /etc/profile, /etc/profile.d, /etc/bash.bashrc, .profile, .bashrc , and /etc/environment. Where else could this have come from? [02:13] .bash_profile ? [02:13] I don't have one [02:13] how many .bash_* do you have? [02:14] aliases, logout and history [02:14] tried looking in your irc cliennt or web browser? [02:14] nalioth it's in my bash environment, at least the X term. I'll check a console [02:15] now that's interesting, it's not set in a vc [02:18] and actually it's not set in an xterm, but is set in a gnome-terminal [02:20] ok, it was the gnome network proxy. I assumed gnome-terminal was a true xterm replacement, didn't realize the network proxy would affect it (and especially since I never set up the gnome proxy in the first place) [02:21] gnomes have sharp teeth [02:22] yeah. This install is interesting, I had to reformat my disk to allow windows to install (it didn't like the space I made at the beginning of the disk with gparted) and grabbed an old alpha hardy disk by mistake ;) [02:23] WINDOWS!? Get a rope. [02:23] had to. Need compatibility with 2007 access for a while. Well, the machine was uninfected for a couple months, anyway [02:24] and thanks for the poke about browser, got me looking beyond my nose [02:26] * nalioth is still looking for a cottonwood tree. [02:29] why do you need a cottonwood? [02:29] * nickrud was smart enough not to bite on such a leading question [02:30] Flannel: read what i've said [02:30] nalioth: That'd require me to *read* what do you think this is? [02:37] hi pwnguin [02:37] hi [02:37] ooh nick on windows [02:37] ? [02:38] * nickrud hates being mocked [02:38] plans revenge [02:38] ruh roh [02:38] * bazhang runs and hides [02:39] jldugger, what can we do for you? [02:40] nothing? [02:44] * mneptok gestures at the /topic [02:44] * ajmitch gestures wildly at mneptok [02:45] * nickrud is gesturally challenged, doesn't understand any of the foregoing [02:45] thought he was a regular here [02:45] nope [02:45] * bazhang tries to read the tea leaves [02:46] pwnguin, then best not to idle as per the topic, barring any urgent business [02:46] strange [02:46] but i suppose i must comply [02:46] pwnguin basically we use the user list as a queue for help [02:47] well, i thought I'd see what -ops was about, but i think i get it now [04:44] What happened to ubottu? [04:47] fall down go boom [04:47] Poor bot. [05:09] could we not get ubot3 into #ubuntu? [05:11] That might be useful, yes. [05:11] or might not [05:14] ? [05:14] Thanks, nalioth. [05:15] * tritium now understands nalioth's concerns [06:14] Hmm, isn't he ban evading? or was that ban removed? [06:15] Flannel, who? the clown I just removed from #u? [06:15] or maybe it never was in #ubuntu [06:15] Madpilot: no, AlmightyCthulhu [06:16] no idea, but he's managed not to say anything objectionable in the last 500 lines... [06:30] just wait. [06:47] nice typo in #u - herion instead of heron [06:47] :) [06:47] Hardy Heroin, the smuggled release [06:49] could be heroine [06:49] Hardy Heroine, the distro that'll survive being tied to railroad tracks [06:50] * Does not include snidely whiplash. [06:53] apt-get install mustache_twirling [07:21] In ubot3, Igramul said: !disklabel is A technique to assign names to paritions. Ubuntu will mount those partitions using their names in /media/. For details, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RenameUSBDrive [07:22] In ubot3, Igramul said: !disklabel is A technique to assign names to partitions. Ubuntu will mount those partitions using their names in /media/. For details, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RenameUSBDrive [07:23] morning all [07:23] hrm... bot missing... Il go look... [07:26] shes on her way in now [07:26] dont touch for a few mins [07:30] * Hobbsee prods the bot [07:30] !tst [07:30] Sorry, I don't know anything about tst [07:30] !test [07:30] sigh... again? I'm busy here, I already told you it failed. [07:30] good [07:30] Ive mute ubot3 in #u [07:51] soulrider called the ops in #ubuntu () [07:52] MURMUR [07:53] random idiot in #u dealt with [07:53] morning Myrtti [07:54] murmur [07:54] Madpilot: Had already delt with him, but bans don't hurt I suppose [07:54] Flannel, looks like you banned but didn't kick him? [07:54] Madpilot: I removed [07:55] so you did, then he came back [07:55] Madpilot: he rejoined a few minutes later, but was quiet. [07:55] I was waiting on the enter key though [07:55] the mute from the floodbot would have still been in effect [07:55] no, it was removed [07:55] It was removed, yes [07:56] so it was. nevermind, I am confused. [07:57] file sharing with a vista dual boot is on by default? [08:23] there is no justice in this world [08:29] no, but there's kickbanning :) [08:30] just wondering about a user who one day is asking 'what is ubuntu', and the next talking about file sharing with a dual boot vista [08:30] That seems... normal enough [08:31] mmkay [08:42] @whoami [09:05] Happy Birthday to you... Happy Birthday to you... Hapy birthday dear Myrtti... Happy birthday to you!! Hip Hip Hooray!! Hip Hip Hooray!! Hip Hip Hooray!!! [09:05] thanks, I already feel like one of the Great Old Ones. [09:06] Cthulhu: EAT ME FIRST! [09:06] :D [09:09] * Myrtti grunts, eats a handful of painkillers, rubs her hiney with Voltaren painmed gel and gets her walking stick [09:09] happy birthday [09:12] happy birthday also [09:20] * Seeker` sighs, "my body sucks" [09:23] hrm... what package do I need to checkout using hg ? [09:24] jussi01: either a broken thermometer, or a lot of tuna. [09:24] * jussi01 slaps Flannel [09:26] awww [09:29] Myrtti: all the best === myrtti_ is now known as Myrtti [09:38] I wonder what I had on 14 [09:38] senility has arrived [09:56] happy birthda Myrtti :) [10:10] jussi01: if you type "hg" into bash it'll print "The program 'hg' is currently not installed. You can install it by typing: \n sudo apt-get install mercurial" ;) [10:18] stdin: but he was so happy when he switched to zsh, don't ruin it for him ;-) [10:18] it can probably be made to work in zsh too [10:19] just set /usr/lib/command-not-found to run if the command isn't found [10:34] zsh rocks [10:39] Happy Birthday Myrtti *huggles lots* [10:41] * Myrtti hugs tightly back [10:42] mrgh [10:43] You're not allowed to feel miserable today jussi01 [10:43] it's my birthday right [10:43] MINE! [10:43] hehe [10:43] I'm going to milk all the fun out of this [10:44] stupid hg repo... never checks out... [10:44] * Myrtti has a blog entry for p.u.c waiting for a picture to be uploaded to flickr [11:09] Hi there [11:10] The guys from #freenode sent me to #ubuntu and they sent me into this channel: :) [11:10] TABASCO: #ubuntu-irc ;) [11:10] :D [11:10] Ok... [11:10] ;) [11:18] TABASCO: anything else we can do for you? [11:19] Myrtti: I guess not [11:19] !idle [11:19] Please keep in mind that this channel is for operator/abuse questions only, and we ask you to part when you have no further business here, in order to keep track of users with pending inquiries. [11:19] That means.. I shall leave the channel? [11:20] yes :) [11:21] As you like it :) [11:22] mwhahaha [11:22] * Myrtti giggles at planet.ubuntu.com and grunts immediately after because giggling aggrevated headache [11:24] hehe [11:51] @btlogin [11:51] !ping [11:51] ping yourself ;-) really the diodes all down my left side are sore [11:52] she's sporadically laggy [11:52] she is lagging with my btlogin [11:52] @login [11:52] The operation succeeded. [11:52] wth [11:52] * elkbuntu shrugs [11:52] @login [11:52] The operation succeeded. [11:52] fine [11:52] The operation succeeded. [11:52] there she goes [11:52] er. [11:52] yeah [11:53] @btlogin [11:53] apparently she ignores @btlogin on a channel? [11:53] no, i just got a response [11:53] PM'd to you, consider it my birthday gift to you [11:53] weird... [11:53] awww [11:54] ♥ [11:54] there's probably a grue in the ether :) [11:54] * elkbuntu huggles Myrtti [11:54] was just wondering why qwerty121 was surprised to see me in #xubuntu [11:54] yes, that reaction does always spark suspicion [12:03] Myrtti, it's replicating [12:05] you lost me there [12:05] oh, right [12:20] ooh, this is cool: http://www.searchme.com [12:21] @login [12:21] The operation succeeded. [12:22] jussi01, ooh [12:22] and that almost works with swfdec [13:35] In #kubuntu-devel, JontheEchidna said: ubottu workaround is ...and apachelogger hates workarounds! [13:54] jpds: slept, will check later [13:55] PriceChild: the guy knew that we were right and Seeker virtually killed him. [13:58] They didn't like the way we an -youth, so they left there. [14:20] uh-oh [14:26] hey Hobbsee, your favouritist friend is in -ot [14:28] elkbuntu: which one? [14:28] limcore [14:28] apparantly ubuntu lost him money [14:28] ugh [14:28] hah [14:28] yes, by him ranting on irc, instead of doing something more productive? [14:30] elkbuntu: yay! you've got your eyes on #ubuntu too? [14:31] is he banned from the dev chans? [14:31] not yet. [14:31] -> -bugs!!!! [14:31] he's just hit -bugs [14:31] he's already messed with #ubuntu [14:32] "< LimCore> well, that unpolite guy kicked me, so I didnt read" [14:32] wow, i grew a penis? [14:33] ban him from bugs if he's acting like himself there [14:34] we are not a psych ward [14:34] i suspect i'm about to [14:34] [23:26] --> LimCore has joined this channel (n=rafal@unaffiliated/limcore). [14:34] [23:31] so, anyone knows how to disable apparmored? in a way that actually works? [14:34] [23:31] i told you how to before. [14:34] [23:31] well, that unpolite guy kicked me, so I didnt read[23:32] firstly, elkbuntu is not a guy. secondly, you had ample time to read, as you responded twice afterwards.[23:32] stop instead kill? it seems it worked[23:33] see? so you did read it. [14:34] [23:33] please stop lying. [14:35] elkbuntu: and please, you can't make comments about psych wards. [14:35] at least, not here. [14:36] psychic ward? [14:36] Hobbsee, yeah, not till mneptok /parts [14:36] :-P [14:36] [23:35] Hobbsee: I am not lying, I read log after I written that I didnt read it. Please stop accusing people of lying[23:36] * Hobbsee notes if you want to troll, like you've been doing in -offtopic for days, you can do it elsewhere, too. That is your final warning - in any channel. [14:36] [23:36] is it a known problem - printing doesnt work recently - or not? As it, does it affect all people? [14:37] * elkbuntu wants to go to bed [14:37] elkbuntu: i'm pondering not making the ban in bugs, per se - just because i've been one of the people telling him off so far. [14:37] happy to give +o out, though [14:38] * mneptok parts only when mneptok parts [14:38] thinking of allegations of personal agendas, and such. [14:38] * mneptok just got back from a fun day in Tokyo with persia [14:39] Hobbsee, shame how having a personal agenda of keeping trash out of channels is a bad thing [14:39] elkbuntu: yeah, well. [14:39] * Myrtti pokes mneptok with The Pink Fluffy Pen of Poking™ [14:39] *SQUEEEAK* [14:39] elkbuntu: OTOH, given the final warning, if he *does* screw up again, then i'll have no choice but to go thru with it, personal agenda or not. [14:39] indeed [14:39] within the hour, no doubt [14:40] mommy said if i touch my pink pen it makes the baby Jesus sad. [14:40] mneptok: you've spent too much time with ompaul [14:41] Myrtti: oh that's just mean. i may be batshit insane, but at least i'm intelligible. ;) [14:41] * Hobbsee mutters about incompetent users running development releases. [14:41] * Myrtti chuckles [14:41] Hobbsee, network manager appears to be on hiatus for one. they'll be loving that [14:41] * mneptok upgrades to Ubuntu 9.04 [14:42] * Hobbsee wishes they'd actually come up with descriptive statements about what doesn't work, rahter than sweeping statements. [14:42] Hobbsee: it's a pointless situation [14:42] "hi compiz doesn't work in 10.08" [14:42] "oh yes, printing doesn't work" "only PDFs don't work" [14:42] Hobbsee: we have the doesntwork factoid for a reason... [14:42] jussi01: there is that... [14:42] :D [14:42] elkbuntu: interesting. it's still here on my machine :) [14:42] jussi01: may as well just put it on autorespond [14:43] hehe [14:43] Hobbsee, im currently upgrading to ibex on the eee [14:43] nice. [14:43] ikonia: we could do it to snarf the words "doesnt work" [14:43] :P [14:43] neeeeeerly finished [14:43] jussi01: hold on... [14:44] Myrtti: to what? [14:44] jussi01: please update ubottu ;) [14:44] ikonia: in regards to? [14:45] Hobbsee: LimCore hsa discovered ##club-ubuntu. [14:45] i had a lovely irish lady ring up work today wanting help setting up her ldap email account in outlook. I had to confer with another of the techs since i have no freaking clue how to use outlook. i ask her 'I'll have to confer with the other tech, can i have your name and return phone number' 'yes' *silence* 'you'll have to tell them to me' 'oh....' [14:46] * jpds heads to the shelters. [14:46] jpds: he's been an integral part of that for ages.... [14:46] elkbuntu: pm ... :) [14:46] jpds: he's been one of the main ones in there, along with she who cannot be named, and he who starts with b, and probably also shouldn't be named. [14:47] bloodfart? [14:47] INCOMING. [14:47] sigh. [14:48] to where? [14:48] * Myrtti puts on her helmet and covers [14:49] * elkbuntu raises an eyebrow [14:49] Fail. [14:49] aoupi, can we help you? [14:49] * mneptok hugs peer [14:49] elkbuntu: nope, just hanging :) [14:49] hehe [14:49] aoupi, this isnt really a lurking channel [14:49] see the /topic [14:50] are the logs updated realtime? [14:50] aoupi: but if you are a Magical Fairy Dazzle-Princess, we might be able to work something out [14:50] aoupi: no [14:50] aoupi: logs are usually flushed hourly [14:50] afaik [14:50] ok [14:50] stdin: you should see a doctor about that [14:50] mneptok... [14:51] * Myrtti dons her tutu with tin foil [14:51] * mneptok dispenses glitter and thumbtacks [14:51] LimCore, state your business here. [14:53] hi nalioth, I did as you suggested [14:53] you dressed as a barking chimp and danced at the bus station? [14:54] tsk. [14:54] * mneptok did [14:54] nalioth: with moving any ranting to -offtopic only. And I got kicked. Interesting thing - I got kicked while in middle of actuall technical discussion. Now that was a surprise :) Is it how ubuntu channels intend to work? [14:54] elkbuntu: you kicked me because I didnt immediatelly tried out your solution to problem, or becuse it did not work for me, or what? [14:55] LimCore: ranting is not productive. counter-productive actions are against the CoC. the CoC is enforced on Ubuntu channels. so yes, that's how things work. [14:55] LimCore, the volunteers do not deserve to put up with you, your attitude and your complete lack of manners. please buy a support contract and leave us be. [14:55] same for -bugs. [14:55] mneptok: as I understood nalioth, ranting should be done in ubuntu. Or did I understand wrong? Either way, I was kicked while discussing technical problem. I dont see no sense in this [14:56] LimCore: ranting should not be done in any Ubuntu namespace IRC channels [14:56] nalioth: so? [14:56] LimCore: I explained to you in a pm the other day ranting is not appropriate in any ubuntu channels [14:56] LimCore: I explained this and you agreed to stop [14:56] ikonia: and later, as I understood, nalioth said it can be tollerable in -offtopic. Or perhaps I did missunderstood. [14:56] LimCore: we had a pretty indepth conversation about it [14:57] LimCore: no - he didn't say ranting was allowed in #offtopic [14:57] LimCore: he said that would be a place to discuss and talk about issues [14:57] LimCore: it can be tollerated in -offtopic. In small amounts. you have *way* gone over your quota, and are no longer welcome to rant there. [14:58] LimCore: i am telling you that your further ranting is not allowed in any Ubuntu channels. full stop. [14:58] ranting for hours, for many days, and with your attitude and lack of manners, is unproductive, and, as mneptok says, is against the CoC. [14:58] i am backing up mneptok's statement [14:58] [Sun Aug 10 2008] [20:44:18] you do not want to have a channel where people can express their unhapinness related to some software right? #ubuntu-offtopic [14:58] * Hobbsee tree [14:58] er, three [14:58] LimCore: expressing unhappyness is not ranting [14:58] and mneptok has a very loose interpretation of the CoC. [14:59] I hate yast2 in a very delicate way. It hates me, I hate it. [14:59] elkbuntu: well, why did *exactly* you kicked me? [14:59] like, paste a log [14:59] LimCore: lets be frank, we had a long conversation about this after you where removed form ubuntu a few days ago - you agreed to stop this. [14:59] LimCore: if you read earlier, you'll find the answer to that question. [14:59] LimCore, because our volunteers do not deserve to have to put up with your attitude and rudeness. [14:59] we are not customer service, yet you treat us like the gum on your shoe. [14:59] sure [14:59] so, did I said that volunteers are stupid, or anthing like that? because I did not [15:00] no, you just treated them like shoe gum. [15:00] in what line for example? [15:00] every single one you spoke in that channel [15:01] LimCore: here's an idea. we can escalate this to the IRC Council, where i as an Ubuntu member and Canonical employee will make my opinion that you be removed from all Ubuntu channels permanently well known. or, you can slightly alter your behavior, move on, and we can forget this all happened. which do you prefer? [15:01] more specifically, you aimed an attack about apparmour directly at hobbsee. hobbsee has no influence over apparmor rules. [15:02] LimCore: do you know the developer responsible for the AppArmor implementation? [15:02] mneptok: you written here several things that are not true, and I belive in truth overall. [15:02] elkbuntu: and the various attacks on other developers, and ubuntu developers in general. [15:02] LimCore: such as? [15:03] elkbuntu: you just siad that EVERY line was attack on someone? This is not true. [15:03] example: /etc/init.d/apparmor kill Killing AppArmor module - failed, AppArmor is builtin: Failed. [15:03] LimCore: you don't need to kill AppArmor. [15:03] LimCore, no, i said every line had the attitude that we are gum on your shoe [15:03] LimCore: there is no point to it. [15:03] elkbuntu: the line above do not seem to have ANY attitude, as it is technical message [15:04] elkbuntu: can you paste line(s) that caused you to kick me, or do you do not belive in things like evidence etc [15:04] i already have pasted it [15:04] LimCore: time wasters are not appreciated. [15:04] LimCore: care to answer any of my questions? [15:05] mneptok: sure, one second [15:05] elkbuntu: erm... you pasted quite of my line now in this channel? I dont see it o_o [15:05] quote [15:06] did i not paste it. forgive me, i'm up way past my bedtime because of the problems you're causing [15:06] Hobbsee: good job, app armored denies me from printing documents [15:06] right [15:07] I was hoping this was more of expressing unhapiness then strong ranting [15:07] LimCore: do you know the developer responsible for the AppArmor implementation? [15:07] no, personal attacks are not acceptable, at any time. [15:07] ok, sorry Hobbsee - I know you are not personally probably respnsible for app [15:08] right, you're not worth more than my job is, so im off to bed. [15:08] I ment it more like "You see, ubuntu have serious QA problems, suddenly file do not print at all - this is horrible for office users" [15:08] LimCore: Hardy? [15:08] 8.04 adm 64 [15:09] LimCore: then it's not an AppArmor problem [15:09] LimCore: because, you see, AppArmor does not ship with a default ruleset [15:09] yeaI finally disabled app armored, and it still did not fix the problem btw [15:09] LimCore: therefore, it cannot block *anything* [15:10] LimCore: if you have problems configuring AppArmor, and you botched the ruleset while playing, that hardly qualifies as an Ubuntu QA issue. [15:10] I didnt touch apparmored. just my PDFs stoped to print after last upgrade [15:11] !staff | floodbots in #ubuntu-it [15:11] IdleOne called the ops in #ubuntu (pah) [15:11] floodbots in #ubuntu-it: Hey nalioth, jenda, rob, SportChick, seanw, Dave2, Christel, tomaw, Gary or PriceChild, I could use a bit of your time :) [15:11] LimCore: first, it's "AppArmor." second, and for the second time, AppArmor does not ship with any rulesets or policies [15:11] we're already on it [15:12] overall, I think you might want to make it clear why any kicks are placed [15:12] Dave2, cheers ;) [15:12] LimCore: if this is costing you money, maybe you should consider a proffesional support contract with canonical [15:12] to me, and from log - it could look like if I was being kicked for not agreeing with technical stuff [15:12] LimCore: not to mention disabling AppArmor takes all of 10 seconds [15:12] [mneptok@set] mneptok :: sudo invoke-rc.d apparmor stop [15:12] [sudo] password for mneptok: [15:12] Unloading AppArmor profiles : done. [15:13] why not paste line that is reason of kick in the kick message? [15:14] or, how about that idea [15:14] LimCore: http://www.canonical.com/services/support one of your constant gripes is that this costs you money. If your unable to support it your self without IRC support and it's effecting your business maybe you should consider http://www.canonical.com/services/support [15:14] oops, didn't mean to double post the URL [15:14] ikonia: I know, I am evaluating this idea [15:14] * Hobbsee wonders if they'll be happy to be treated like dirt, either. [15:15] LimCore: as one of the senior support staff i'd be happy to phone your company at my expense and at your leisure to discuss your support options. [15:15] you can't get better service than that [15:16] LimCore: however, i will not discuss technical issues without a valid support contract in place. standard desktop support contracts with 9x5 coverage are US$250 per year or 10 cases, whichever comes first. [15:16] mneptok: I know, I read the offer long ago [15:17] * jpds wonders what's up with FloodBot4. [15:17] * Hobbsee would also note here that #ubuntu is the only support channel for hardy, and that rants are not permitted there either. Rants disguised as support questions, etc, also count as rants, and are not permitted there. [15:17] yeah [15:17] LimCore: i told you how to disable AppArmor. i told you that it has no policies by default. we can now consider this case closed, as i have provided a workaround that is easy to implement until you report the bug to Launchpad or buy a support contract. there is no need to discuss it further on IRC. [15:18] and when I wanted to create separate channel where people could move (or be moved to) with rants then you didnt want [15:18] LimCore: rants are against the CoC and have no place in Ubuntu IRC namespace [15:18] * Hobbsee notes that trolling is forbidden on freenode, too. [15:18] LimCore: what about that is unclear? [15:19] thought so. please drive through. [15:19] * Hobbsee notes that endless ranting likely classifies as trolling, too. [15:20] mneptok: people either vent, or remain frustrated [15:20] just btw [15:21] LimCore: try gardening. or judo. [15:21] LimCore: the Ubuntu community was not created as a place for you to vent your frustrations. [15:21] ok, so to summ up, if you want to avoid being seen as unfair ops, it would be good to note in kick reason why is that [15:22] mneptok: btw, this bug is not resolved for me yet.. if you are interested, I will paste in #ubuntu-bugs [15:22] bye [15:22] thanks for the suggestion. will there be anything else? [15:23] ah, OK [15:23]