[00:27] <Shaba1> Hello is anyone at the keys here
[04:07] <Giacomo> Hello! :D
[04:08] <Giacomo> I need some help on installation. Anyone willing to help?
[04:11] <mn> yeah
[04:25] <Alik> I have done something stupid.
[04:27] <Alik> I don't really know much about xubuntu and I gave a guy who has a broken windows ME machine a copy of xubuntu live disk and I'm trying to figure out how to make it work.. over the phone.. and I don't know much about linux
[04:27] <neur1> anyone know the command for a screenshot?
[04:28] <mn> neur1: there's the shift + Prt Sct (albeit not a command)
[04:29] <mn> Alik: What's the problem
[04:29] <mn> ?
[04:29] <neur1> k i'll tryopenbox/xubuntu
[04:29] <Alik> He says it's sitting on a screen with a "picture of a bird" in the background and nothing else
[04:29] <neur1>  k i'll try
[04:29] <neur1> thx
[04:29] <mn> np
[04:30] <Alik> And his mouse isn't responding
[04:30] <mn> hmm
[04:30] <mn> what version did you give him?
[04:30] <Alik> the latest, I believe.  Same one I installed (gave him the same cd I used).  Uh...
[04:31] <mn> 8.04.1?
[04:31] <Alik> Believe so
[04:31] <Alik> xubuntu-8.04.1-desktop-i386.iso
[04:31] <Alik> Does he need to be connected to the internet for this to work?
[04:32] <mn> shouldn't
[04:32] <mn> need to be
[04:32] <Alik> ok. 'Cause he's not
[04:32] <mn> has he tried to re-boot
[04:32] <mn> ?
[04:33] <Alik> usb mouse
[04:33] <Alik> uh
[04:33] <Alik> I don't think he can reboot unless he hits the power button
[04:33] <Alik> (note:  This guy is worse at computers (in both 'theory' and 'applied' senses) than I am)
[04:34] <mn> hmm, and you installed from this same livecd right?
[04:34] <Alik> Correct
[04:34] <Alik> He said he put the cd in, windows was too fucked to let him run the autorun thing, he rebooted, got to a menu that said "install?" and he said 'yes'
[04:34] <Alik> And then the xubuntu thing appeared, and the bar went across the screen a bunch
[04:34] <mn> yeah that's supposed to happen
[04:35] <mn> he should have put the cd in and shutdown. then pressed the power button to boot from cd
[04:36] <mn> the problem may be that he didn't format his HDD before trying to install
[04:36] <Alik> I believe the installer should let you reformat?
[04:36] <Alik> I installed it over my old windows ME machine
[04:37] <mn> oh, hmm
[04:37] <mn> see if he can boot live
[04:38] <Alik> he killed the power and turned it back on
[04:38] <mn> what's happening?
[04:38] <Alik> he's at a menu.  f1 help, f2 language, f3 keymap, f4 modes, f5 accessibility, f6 other options
[04:39] <Alik> he says it's loading the linux kernal
[04:39] <Alik> xubuntu, bar going across
[04:39] <Alik> bar going back and forth
[04:39] <mn> good
[04:40] <mn> did he choose to install or run live?
[04:40] <Alik> I think he tried to install
[04:40] <Alik> I told him, many times, that he should try to run live in case it didn't work
[04:40] <Alik> But I think he didn't listen
[04:40] <Alik> "bar still going back and forth," he says
[04:41] <Alik> "now the bar is slowly progressing to the right."
[04:41] <mn> good
[04:41] <Alik> I think when I did it, I got to a graphical menu after that where I could choose to install on one partition or the whole HD
[04:42] <mn> that makes since
[04:42] <mn> lemme see
[04:42] <Alik> "screen is blank.." "flashing thing in upper left corner.. little dash.. screen's dark again.."
[04:42] <Alik> "now i got an x and an arrow in the center.. lighter screen... "  -- this would be a lot easier if I was at the machine he was using
[04:43] <mn> yeah
[04:44] <Alik> He can move the mouse now, but at a blank screen
[04:44] <Alik> I suspect his monitor may be damaged (old tube one) because he says he can see 'compaq' still on it
[04:44] <mn> hmm, that may be the case but if he could see all of the other stuff
[04:45] <mn> when i boot live, i get a light screen for a while with a mouse on it.  then my desktop environment loads
[04:46] <mn> you may just have him wait a little bit
[04:46] <mn> (a couple of minutes)
[04:46] <Alik> I'm telling him to adjust the width and height of his monitor so it doesn't wrap around the side or anything
[04:46] <mn> ok that's good
[04:47] <mn> does his computer meet the requirements?
[04:47] <Alik> I believe so
[04:47] <Alik> 256mb ram, 20 gig hard drive
[04:48] <mn> yeah it does
[04:49] <Alik> he says the mouse is no longer moving
[04:49] <mn> did he ever get to the screen to choose to erase the hard disk?
[04:50] <neur1> thx again mn
[04:51] <Alik> no, he did not
[04:52] <mn> and he chose to install, correct?
[04:53] <Alik> that's what he said
[04:53] <Alik> says there's a solid light blue background
[04:53] <mn> ok, then the default background probably has just not loaded yet
[04:54] <mn> does it still have the x thing on it?
[04:54] <Alik> he says there's a celeron somethingorother processor in this machine
[04:55] <mn> intel celeron processor?
[04:55] <Alik> yeah
[04:55] <Alik> says there's a picture of a hard drive all the way left and center that says "hard drive" now
[04:56] <mn> sounds like he's getting to the point to make a partition or overwrite maybe
[04:56] <Alik> he's got the blue arc background now
[04:57] <mn> ok good.  his desktop environment is loading
[04:57] <Alik> meanwhile, I told my machine to update and it's sitting at "running local boot scripts"
[04:58] <Alik> he's got the "file system," "trash," etc stuff now
[04:59] <abarnes> hello
[04:59] <Alik> hi
[04:59] <Alik> should I tell him to just hit that "install" icon, you think?
[04:59] <mn> good
[04:59] <mn> umm
[05:00] <mn> maybe he should format his HDD first
[05:00] <Alik> How could he do that with only this computer and no working OS?
[05:00] <mn> let him know that if he formats and installation fails that windows wont be there
[05:01] <Alik> I told him that this will remove everything on the computer
[05:01] <mn> fdisk command in a xubuntu terminal
[05:01] <Alik> I don't know how to do that, so he certainly doesn't
[05:02] <mn> go to application -> (the first option with an arrow can't remember what that is) -> terminal
[05:03] <Alik> He's having trouble getting the mouse to move at all
[05:04] <mn> it's taxing and lagging him to run live with only 256 MB ram
[05:04] <Alik> apparently
[05:04] <Alik> Worked for me, somehow
[05:05] <Alik> I don't know how to install it via terminal stuff though =/
[05:05] <mn> if he cant get to a terminal like that he can use ctrl + alt + F1
[05:05] <mn> you don't have to
[05:05] <mn> he can format and then install by clicking the icon
[05:06] <Alik> he can't get it to recognize him clicking on the icon.  Will formatting first make that easier, somehow?
[05:06] <mn> no
[05:06] <mn> it may just be lagging
[05:06] <mn> it may do it in a minute
[05:06] <Alik> I assume it would run better if it was from the HD than from the cd
[05:07] <mn> it would
[05:07] <mn> but you have to install to make it run from the hd
[05:07] <Alik> can you install it without the whole live gui stuff?
[05:08] <mn> im sure you can from terminal but idk how
[05:08] <mn> you might just want to try having him boot and choose install
[05:08] <Alik> that's what he did
[05:08] <Alik> I think
[05:09] <Alik> and my phone just died
[05:09] <mn> no he would have had to choose to run live not to bring up installation prompt
[05:09] <mn> well ive gotta go for the night
[05:09] <Alik> maybe I should just go over there and do it for him
[05:09] <mn> there are probably things online
[05:09] <mn> yes
[05:09] <mn> bye
[05:09] <Alik> should my xubuntu machine still be sitting at "running local boot scripts" ?
[05:18] <ere4si> Alik: no - press ctrl-alt=-F2  and login and type startx
[05:19] <ere4si> *ctrl-alt-F2 I meant
[05:20] <Alik> whoops.  I reset the computer and it seems to have booted up okay.  Is anything ruined?
[05:21] <ere4si> if it booted prob not :)
[05:23] <Alik> awesome
[06:53] <bassboi> hey wtf is that button to the left of the titlebar
[06:53] <bassboi> with the circle
[06:55] <ere4si> bassboi: that makes the window appear on all desktops
[06:56] <bassboi> ah ok
[06:56] <bassboi> tyvm sir!
[06:56] <ere4si> :)
[07:30] <generalsnus> ok, what is the best way to mount a new /home folder? i have a ubuntu server where i want to store the users /home on, i tried with NFS but it seems i got some permissions wrong.. bcouse users cant login and create their /home/USER folder
[07:33] <ere4si> generalsnus: I mount nfs to have r/w access like this - 192.168.0.2:/media/movies /server/movies nfs soft,rsize=8192,wsize=8192,timeo=14,intr
[07:34] <CostaRicanQuaker> how do i check which version of xfce i have?
[07:34] <zoredache> generalsnus: are you saying you want to share /home from the server to other workstations?
[07:34] <zoredache> you know nfs isn't really that secure right?
[07:37] <generalsnus> what does "soft,rsize=8192,wsize=8192,timeo=14,intr" mean?
[07:38] <zoredache> the are options... see 'man mount'  they set the time out, probably network buffer sizes, and failure mode
[07:38] <ere4si> generalsnus: http://www.ubuntugeek.com/nfs-server-and-client-configuration-in-ubuntu.html
[07:41] <CostaRicanQuaker> how do i check which version of xfce i have?
[07:42] <ere4si> CostaRicanQuaker: try in a terminal    xfce --version
[08:38] <generalsnus> ok. i have linux users that Authenticate against Active directory.. and their /home/local/DOMAIN/USER folder is created at login.. no problem.  but now i want to Mount another home instead, "myNFSserver/files" so i mount the new share as  /home/local/MYDOMAIN. but it seems i have no RW acces to it..users cant login etc
[08:40] <cody-somerville> generalsnus, You want to mount another home directory while already logged in?
[08:42] <generalsnus> no, hehe
[08:43] <generalsnus> i am mounting /home/local/DOMAIN  .. my root account has his home in /HOME/admin
[08:44] <generalsnus> so it dosent matter.. but i dont know what filepermissions to set..
[09:43] <generalsnus> guys, whenever a new user is created, his /home/user folder has permissions that say that everyone has read access to his folders/files .. how can i make it so nobody has read acces to users files, whenever i create a new one?
[09:44] <generalsnus> i want those files to be readable only for the created user
[09:46] <TheSheep> generalsnus: google for 'umask'
[09:58] <generalsnus> changing the /etc/adduser.conf made the trick
[10:18] <arf`> generalsnus: better to "dpkg-reconfigure -plow adduser"
[10:20] <arf`> and also, probably good to tweak the .bashrc in /etc/skel to put a umask less permissive
[10:26] <generalsnus> ok, i need to add all my users to the group "FUSE" but i dont see the users in "users & groups" because they are all in Active Directory.. i can login with the users and all.. but i need to add them to the fuse group
[10:29] <Xeroa> hi everyone
[10:29] <Xeroa> anyone alive here?
[10:31] <bassboi> what ya need
[10:31] <Xeroa> well, kinda in  pinch here
[10:31] <Myrtti> I'd prefer Cthulhu would eat me now, but yes, I'm alive
[10:32] <Xeroa> we're trying to get a light linux running on a IBM AnyKiosk
[10:32] <Xeroa> its a POS computer
[10:32] <Xeroa> wich has a touchscreen device
[10:33] <Xeroa> well, while running Xubuntu from the cd, got a lot of ShamHFS errors
[10:33] <Xeroa> from experience we can run a fedora 9 on it...considered the fact that we must adapt the Xorg file first before entering in GUI mode (vesa)
[10:35] <Xeroa> well, hopefully he eats you with some good barbecue sauce
[10:35] <Xeroa> ;-)
[10:37] <bassboi> I LOVE U GUYZ
[10:38] <Xeroa> wow....and you hardly know me :-p
[10:38] <Xeroa> well, back to my case....
[10:38] <generalsnus> ok, i need to add all my users to the group "FUSE" but i dont see the users in "users & groups" because they are all in Active Directory.. i can login with the users and all.. but i need to add them to the fuse group
[10:57] <generalsnus> ok i have a xubuntu LTSP server wich authenticate against AD server, i need to add all my users to the group "FUSE" on the linux server but i dont see the users in "users & groups" because they are all in Active Directory.. i can login with the users and all.. but i need to add them to the fuse group.. (allready asked in #windows)
[10:58] <Xeroa> you might try and check into AD where they are at
[10:58] <Xeroa> maybe case sesitive
[10:58] <Xeroa> dont know actually, kinda a noob myself :-p
[11:05] <Woo> If I remove the GPU from the PC, will it still start as usual?
[11:06] <Woo> Because I only remote control that PC anyway.
[11:07] <Xeroa> normally yes...but be careful for errors in your Xorg.conf file as a result of that
[11:08] <Woo> So it might cause damage if I remove it, boot, then put it back in?
[11:08] <Woo> put it back in after shutting down that is
[11:09] <Xeroa> well..normally it should just give you errors saying that he cannot find the screen specified in his Xorg fild
[11:09] <Xeroa> but it should boot
[11:10] <Xeroa> you can always try to boot in init 3 mode
[11:10] <Woo> I don't know hwat that means
[11:10] <Xeroa> well i'm no linux expert...should ask someone more guru'is
[11:10] <Xeroa> well, linux starts up in different phases
[11:15] <wols_> Woo: yes it will
[11:16] <wols_> however you must make sure to run a sshd or such of course
[11:16] <wols_> when you make a system headless, you usually don't have a displaymanager installed or started
[11:18] <Woo> No it's been running with a GPU for months, but I only have one PCI-E card, and just one PCI
[11:18] <Woo> so I need to move the PCI card from that PC to another project
[11:23] <wols_> you said "remove the gpu" which means for me "run headless". you dindn't say anything about using 2 gpus right now
[11:25] <Woo> No, it will be headless indeed
[11:30] <qwerty121> hello all. i have nevr used xubuntu. does xubuntu support gtk themes?
[11:31] <Myrtti> yes
[11:31]  * qwerty121 is surprised to see Myrtti in this channel
[11:32] <Myrtti> oh?
[12:35] <leny2010> The mac/gb keyboard variant isn't set up quite right. Where do I edit the keyboard definitions both for X xubuntu 8.04 and the text console keyboard?
[12:37] <generalsnus> ok i have a xubuntu LTSP server wich authenticate against AD server, i need to add all my users to the group "FUSE" on the linux server but i dont see the users in "users & groups" because they are all in Active Directory.. i can login with the users and all.. but i need to add them to the fuse group.. (allready asked in #windows)
[13:05] <Woo> actually i don't know what i was thinking
[13:05] <Woo> the new computer will have four GPUs, and I thought I needed to move an ancient PCI card just to have something to display while I install etc
[13:09] <Woo> what do you guys reckon, is it a possibility the OS crashed after running for about a day, or a new (old) psu?
[16:26] <Quest_> any replacement for "knemo" . it shows live network trafic chart/graph ... ?
[16:27] <cody-somerville> all kinds
[16:30] <Quest_> any replacement for "knemo" . it shows "live" network trafic "gui" chart/graph ... ?
[16:32] <cody-somerville> Yes... theres all kinds.
[17:26] <sdubois92> has anyone had trouble copying files from CDs
[17:26] <sdubois92> mine hangs once it gets to a certain file
[17:26] <sdubois92> and freezes up thunar
[17:27] <zoredache> if it always breaks on a certain file perhaps the cd is bad/dirty?
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[20:11] <Feren6> I'm trying to setup a streaming webcam with ffserver, but it keeps saying
[20:11] <Feren6> Unknown device
[20:11] <Feren6> But the device is detected by my computer...any ideas?
[20:12] <favro> !webcam
[20:12] <ubottu> Instructions for using webcams with Ubuntu can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Webcam - Supported cams: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsMultimediaWebCameras
[20:12] <Feren6> Sorry, "/dev/video0: Unknown format
[20:12] <Feren6> "
[20:13] <Feren6> My webcam works, I'm jsut trying to get it to stream through ffserver..which I can't seem to do
[20:14] <favro> k - don't know about ffserver - sorry :)
[20:15] <Feren6> :( I've been trying tutorials ( i could only find 2) but none of them worked
[20:15] <zoredache> perhaps try and find a mail list/irc channel devoted to ffserver?
[20:16] <Feren6> Yeah
[20:16] <Feren6> Thanks
[20:16] <Feren6> I'll look around
[20:17] <Feren6> I think I just have to try and find the format that my webcam is outputting to
[20:17] <Feren6> Is there a command to look at information for a device?
[20:18] <Bytor4232> hm.  I don't use webcams.  I have one, a logitec usb camera, but I never use it.  I use it for the built in mic, which is superb.  The mic on my laptop is crap.
[20:19] <Feren6> Yeah..i'm using a logitech usb as well, but I can't remember what model it is....is there a command to check the information of the device in the console?
[20:19] <TheSheep> lsus or lshw
[20:19] <TheSheep> lsusb
[20:20] <Feren6> ok
[20:20] <Feren6> Thanks
[20:21] <zhobbs_> what is the min specs for ram/cpu for xubuntu?
[20:22] <Feren6> No idea......it's probably on the main website
[20:22] <zoredache> for livecd based install you need 192mb of ram...  The cpu is less important, but I don't think it would be pleasent on something less then  400mhz
[20:22] <cody-somerville> 333mhz and 192mb of ram
[20:22]  * cody-somerville nods at zoredache.
[20:23] <zhobbs_> thanks
[20:29] <Bytor4232> zhobbs_: I think the alternate installer, which I'm a big fan of, installs on much less.
[20:29] <Bytor4232> "To run the Desktop CD (LiveCD + Install CD), you need 128 MB RAM to run or 192 MB RAM to install. The Alternate Install CD only requires you to have 64 MB RAM."
[20:30] <cody-somerville> Bytor4232, thats not because less is installed afterwards
[20:31] <cody-somerville> but because the live cd itself (for it to be running, an entire OS from your memory) has memory requirements
[20:31] <Bytor4232> cody-somerville: Ah.  Whats the bare minimum to run Xubuntu post install?
[20:31] <Bytor4232> 128 MB?
[20:31] <cody-somerville> Depends on what you can tolerate
[20:32] <TheSheep> Bytor4232: it will theoretically run even on 16MB ram, although nobody lived long enough to see it finishes booting ;)
[20:33] <Bytor4232> Even on older machines, ram has never been a problem.  PC100 was dirt cheap at one point.
[20:33] <zhobbs_> Bytor4232: oh thanks, I'll check that out
[20:34] <Bytor4232> zhobbs_: Keep in mind, the alternate installer is not graphical.  Its a text based installer, it may take a little getting used to.  Its user friendly enough thou.
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[22:13] <mlester> is anyone active at teh moment
[22:14] <cody-somerville> Yup
[22:15] <mlester> well I am having an interesting issue with a static ip address
[22:15] <mlester> I have a vm of hardy-server with bridge networking
[22:15] <mlester> and that vm can access the host computer and other vm hosted on that computer
[22:15] <mlester> but no other computers
[22:16] <mlester> but other computers can ping it
[22:28] <zoredache> mlester: that sounds unusual... was this new vm or one that got cloned?
[22:28] <zoredache> are you sure your static is unique on the network?
[22:28] <mlester> its cloned
[22:28] <mlester> and yeah the ip is static
[22:28] <zoredache> did you copy a vm and forget to allow it to generate a new mac address?
[22:29] <mlester> I think I told it to keep the old one
[22:29] <mlester> but I got it to successfully ping google
[22:29] <mlester> my resolv.conf was improperly configured
[22:29] <zoredache> ah
[22:29] <mlester> but I am just trying to resolv my original problem
[22:29] <mlester> which is not being able to apt-get update
[22:30] <mlester> which I thought trying a static ip might fixed the problem
[22:30] <mlester> which it did not
[22:31] <zoredache> can you ping us.archive.ubuntu.com
[22:33] <mlester> yes sir
[22:34] <zoredache> and you can't get updates?  what exactly is the error you are getting?  (maybe pastebin it?)
[22:35] <mlester> Method http has died unexpectedly!
[22:35] <mlester> but occasionally it failes do to not having the right gpg key or something like that
[22:37] <zoredache> maybe try a 'telnet us.archive.ubuntu.com 80'
[22:37] <zoredache> if you see 'Connected' respond with 'get /'
[22:38] <zoredache> also, did you configure a proxy at some point in time?
[22:38] <mlester> I didn't configure a proxy and when I try the get thing I get Method not Implemented
[22:39] <zoredache> that is what you should get...  so your computer can reach the repositories, and you can estabilish a tcp connection....
[22:40] <zoredache> hrm...
[22:40] <mlester> yeah I been going crazy trying to figure this out
[22:41] <mlester> and whats wierder is that I have another ubuntu vm and it can apt-get update
[22:43] <zoredache> are you aware of any transparent proxies between you and the internet?  Perhaps you have squidguard in the path and it is trying to redirect you or something?
[22:43] <mlester> no I don't have squidguard installed on any of my computers including the router
[22:46] <zoredache> so back to the earlier question when you said you cloned the vm.  Is the original on your network and turned on?
[22:47] <mlester> nah I never had the original
[22:47] <mlester> I downloaded this vm from the web
[22:48] <mlester> Its a box with vulnerable services on it that I wanted to play around with
[22:48] <zoredache> but do you have multiple copies of it turned on...
[22:48] <mlester> nope
[22:48] <zoredache> hrm...
[22:49] <zoredache> have you setup firewall, or checked to see if there are any firewall rules?
[22:50] <mlester> yeah there were none in iptables
[22:53] <zoredache> you might need to install wireshark on the vm host and see if you can see what is going on perhaps
[22:55] <mlester> what should I look for
[22:55] <mlester> I have it installed already
[22:56] <zoredache> hrm... that is the tricky part..
[22:57] <zoredache> apt usually works over http...  You said you had another ubuntu vm.  I suspect I would start by doing a capture of a good 'apt-get update', then compare with the bad one
[22:58] <mlester> ok I try and figure out how to do that
[22:59] <zoredache> what is special about the vm?  if it is being too much of a pain you could always just build a new one?
[23:00] <mlester> naw it has custom services on there
[23:00] <mlester> not created by me
[23:05] <mlester> looks like its looking for a translation that doesnt exist
[23:31] <mlester> hey do u think openvpn could be causing the issue
[23:32] <mlester> I am looking at that startup apps and its in there