[01:57] <Hobbsee> Riddell: i've got one, but it's probably a bit late now?
[01:58] <Hobbsee> coreymon77: you know, comments like that make you seem very young...
[01:58] <Hobbsee> Riddell: /query me if you want a shell - it's about time I returned the favour.
[03:28] <jjesse> should adept3 bugs be reported on launchpad or on bugs.kde.org?
[03:29]  * Jucato is guessing it isn't on b.k.o yet
[03:29] <JontheEchidna> bugs.kde.org until we have an official ubuntu package, though you could probably just tell mornfall here
[03:30] <Jucato> JontheEchidna: except that there is no category for adept 3 in b.k.o
[03:31] <Jucato> (there is "unspecified" though)
[03:31] <JontheEchidna> Jucato: mornfall said in his blog you could use b.k.o
[03:31] <Jucato> ah I might have missed that one
[03:32] <JontheEchidna> He's aggregated on planet kde, don't know about planet ubuntu
[03:34] <yuriy> I think b.k.o and (while it's alpha) ping him here
[03:34] <jjesse> ok in krunner adept3 doesn't prompt for my password for sudo
[03:36] <JontheEchidna> jjesse: is it running the binary from krunner?
[03:36] <JontheEchidna> (the gear symbol)
[03:36] <jjesse> JontheEchidna: it is runing the gear symbol
[03:37] <JontheEchidna> then that's expected. The real problem is that the .desktop file is broken
[03:37] <JontheEchidna> should be fixed in the next beta release
[03:37] <jjesse> JontheEchidna: ok then i won't report it as a bug
[03:37] <jjesse> it seems to work correctly from the appication launcher
[03:38] <JontheEchidna> really?
[03:38] <jjesse> to be honest i don't like the way it looks
[03:38] <jjesse> hrmm ok so when i type adept in the application launcher i seem the gear and also the ? mark symbol
[03:38] <jjesse>  the ? mark symbol works
[03:43] <jjesse> i'm trying to understand what all the options on adept 3 means
[03:44] <jjesse> and have no idea
[03:44] <JontheEchidna> are you looking at installer, updater, or just adept?
[03:46] <jjesse> JontheEchidna: adept
[03:46] <JontheEchidna> which options?
[03:47] <jjesse> underst state and requested what does each symbol mean?  also what are releveant tags and why would i want to click on not?
[03:47] <JontheEchidna> the icons should have tooltips on them
[03:48] <JontheEchidna> or well, when you mouse over them
[03:48] <jjesse> ok found the toolips when i moused over them but i don't think they are intuitive
[03:49] <JontheEchidna> yeah, I think I might agree with that stuff
[03:49] <JontheEchidna> I never used tagging in the KDE3 version either tbh :P
[03:50]  * jjesse is once again trying to document adept, maybe i'll finish it
[03:51] <Jucato> adept 3?
[03:51] <jjesse> Jucato: yes
[03:51] <jjesse> good morning btw
[03:51] <Jucato> jjesse: thanks :)
[03:51] <Jucato> jjesse: hope I can help. I haven't used it yet thoug
[03:52] <Jucato> but for this release (and probably this release only), I'm your doc slave
[03:52] <jjesse> yay
[03:52]  * jjesse cracks whip
[03:52] <jjesse> nixternal did a lot of changes to the kubuntu-docs branch yesterday
[03:52] <jjesse> i'm still having problems checking it out
[03:52] <Jucato> jjesse: there's one problem though :(
[03:53] <Jucato> I am totally clueless about the docs workflow and using bzr for it :/
[03:53] <Jucato> (docbook won't be a problem, I can probably cram learning it :P)
[03:54] <jjesse> bzr checkout lp:~ubuntu-core-doc/ubuntu-doc/kubuntu-intrepid
[03:55] <jjesse> then create a patch and submit to either nixternal or myself
[03:55] <Jucato> really enter it as "lp:"?
[03:57] <jjesse> Jucato: yup
[03:57] <jjesse> https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-doc/ubuntu-doc/kubuntu-intrepid
[03:58] <Jucato> thanks
[03:58] <Jucato> hm.. the search in adept3 is weird...
[03:58] <jjesse> np
[03:58] <Jucato> "yaku" doesn't return yakuake, only "yakuake" does.. and it also shows konsole :)
[04:03] <emma> Hi guys, I have installed Kubuntu Intrepid in order so that by using it, if I find problems, I can tell someone who might be able to fix it in time. Is there any best place to report this information?
[04:03] <Hobbsee> we have a bugtracker.
[04:04] <emma> Is it the same as on Launchpad?
[04:04] <Hobbsee> it is a good place to report information.
[04:04] <Hobbsee> yes
[04:04] <jjesse> yes
[04:04] <emma> Is there anything unique that should be indicated so that it is directed toward Kubuntu Intrepid?
[04:05] <Hobbsee> mention that it happens there, otherwise, no.
[04:05] <Hobbsee> (the intrepid being the important part there)
[04:06] <emma> Okay.
[04:07] <Hobbsee> if you see a bug that you think is release critical, please follow that procedure, which is...
[04:10] <Hobbsee> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/#Release%20Critical%20bugs
[04:10] <Hobbsee> . o O { there's some weird wiki addressing there, for some reason...}
[04:11] <Jucato> probably part of the wiki update that also broke the kubuntu2 theme a few days ago :)
[04:12]  * Hobbsee hasn't logged into the wiki in ages...
[04:12] <Hobbsee> so i think i see the deafult.
[04:12]  * ScottK smacks nixternal with a cold, wet fish.
[04:13] <Hobbsee> ScottK: what'd he do?
[04:13] <ScottK> nhandler on #ubuntu-motu is trying to get a hold of you.
[04:13] <ScottK> He did a merge and left questions behind.
[04:13] <Hobbsee> apart from running vista.
[04:13] <Hobbsee> ahhh
[04:14] <ScottK> nhandler wants to use a subsequent merge of the package in a motu-school session tomorrow and the later merger cargo culted one of nixternals changes.
[04:14] <ScottK> So nhandler want's to make sure he understands it before using it in a teaching example.
[04:14] <emma> I doubt I have found any release critical bugs but I have found a number of definite smaller bugs, which seem to be particular to KDE apps and therefor in Kubuntu Intrepid.
[04:15] <jjesse> emma: report them on launchpad and tn you might want to send a summary email to the kubuntu-devel mailing list highlighting them?
[04:15] <emma> There is one thing which is quite unusual which is that, prior to making it to the login screen the monitor is filled with red and white vertical stripes. Once it gets to the login screen it runs okay.
[04:15] <Hobbsee> which video card?
[04:15] <emma> jjesse: okay sure.
[04:15] <emma> Let me check.
[04:17] <emmy> Hi, this account is on the machine running kubuntu intrepid so that I can paste things.
[04:17] <emmy> This is my card -- 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Radeon Mobility M6 LY
[04:18] <Hobbsee> blah.
[04:18] <Hobbsee> you may get stuck with that.
[04:19]  * Hobbsee stabs the uni intranets.
[04:19] <jjesse> die die die
[04:19] <emmy> I can live with it. I am not really looking for problems fixed for me, you understand, I would like to make people aware of problems so they don't affect lots of people after release.
[04:19]  * jjesse beds
[04:19] <Hobbsee> emmy: my point was more, if you're running a non-free video card, you'll probably get various stuff that others can't reproduce.  and even if they could, couldnt' really debug or fix.
[04:20] <emmy> Sure, I get you.
[04:20] <emmy> I thought ATI was opening up, or was that a false rumor?
[04:21] <Hobbsee> i think it was, but i've no idea if it's done so yet.
[04:21]  * Hobbsee scratches head...if the entire intranet is down, how do I look up my timetable?
[04:21] <Jucato> emmy's referring to the usplash part. it happens to me as well from time to time when booting into the latest kernel. Intel IGP
[04:22] <emmy> Jucato ahha. You see the red and white stripes? They are quite thick stripes, perfectly uniform, and vertical.
[04:22] <Hobbsee> Jucato: it was a general comment, but true :)
[04:22] <Jucato> emmy: well I see flashing red and white, as if the laptop's about to implode
[04:22] <Jucato> might be related or not...
[04:22] <emmy> yes i have some of that too.
[04:23] <Hobbsee> Jucato: well, it'd help if you wouldn't set it on fire...
[04:23] <Jucato> Hobbsee: I'd love to if that would mean I can get a new and better lappy :)
[04:23] <Hobbsee> Jucato: heh :)
[04:23] <Jucato> hm.. I made a boo boo... what's the logout counterpart of bzr launchpad-login <user>?
[04:24] <Hobbsee> you log in again?
[04:27] <Jucato> Hobbsee: the problem is, when I used jjesse's bzr checkout command while I wasn't logged in, it worked. but then I thought "hm.. I should probably login since a note earlier said so".. now I'm getting an error :(
[04:27] <Hobbsee> Jucato: what error?
[04:29] <Jucato> bzr: ERROR: Repository KnitPackRepository ('file:///home/jucato/kubuntu-intrepid/.bzr/repository') is not compatible with repostiory RemoteRepository(bzr+ssh://jucato@bazaar.launchpad.net/%7Eubuntu-core-doc/ubuntu-doc/kubuntu-interpid/.bzr/)
[04:29] <Jucato> Hobbsee: that's using bzr checkout lp:~ubuntu-core-doc/ubuntu-doc/kubuntu-intrepid
[04:29] <Hobbsee> hmm.  ask in #bzr, probably.
[04:30] <emmy> Thanks for the heads up Hobbsee. I'll try to put them on Launchpad in a thorough way.
[04:30] <Hobbsee> emmy: cool, OK.
[04:34] <Jucato> pfft.. like any good Linux app... nuke ~/.configdirectory
[04:36] <Hobbsee> hah :)
[04:46] <Jucato> Hobbsee: btw I didn't get an answer. but it's ok. I'll survive
[04:46] <Jucato> I just won't be able to push probably
[04:46] <Hobbsee> Jucato: clearing the config directory, then re-loggign in should work fine, i expect.
[04:47] <Hobbsee> wrong time of day for answers too, i guess, unless you poke spiv.
[04:47] <Jucato> don't wanna tempt fate right now :)
[04:47] <Hobbsee> hehe
[04:47] <Jucato> I'll try again tonight
[07:27] <\sh> moins
[07:59] <\sh> anyone up for a main sponsoring task? :))
[08:38] <apachelogger> yay
[08:38] <apachelogger> kuser did it again
[08:38] <apachelogger> -.-
[08:39] <apachelogger> root@apoc:/etc# ack-grep 'uno' shadow
[08:39] <apachelogger> useruno::0:0:0:0:0::0
[09:10] <\sh> apachelogger: nice :)
[09:16] <apachelogger> Artemis_Fowl: I think the systemsettings module should go to advanced -> system
[09:17] <Artemis_Fowl> apachelogger: ah, ok. you are right
[09:19] <Artemis_Fowl> apachelogger: is the tarball generally ok? I wasn't sure if it is clear how poackagers should split it to KCM plus the "app"
[09:19] <Artemis_Fowl> packagers*
[09:20] <apachelogger> isn't to me :P
[09:21] <Artemis_Fowl> :D
[09:21] <apachelogger> _app.desktop uses kcmshell4 anyway, so there is no point in splitting really
[09:22] <Artemis_Fowl> kcmshell4 comes with kdebase-runtime, right?
[09:23] <apachelogger> yes
[09:23] <Artemis_Fowl> i think the non_app desktop file would only work if systemsettings was present
[09:24] <apachelogger> yes
[09:24] <Artemis_Fowl> which thus requires kdebase
[09:24] <apachelogger> so just leave it in one package
[09:24] <Artemis_Fowl> so what will be the dependencies?
[09:24] <Artemis_Fowl> kdebase or kdebase-runtime
[09:24] <apachelogger> -runtime
[09:24] <Artemis_Fowl> ah ok
[09:24] <apachelogger> scenario 1: user doesn't have systemsettings installed - kcmshell4 is a dep thus he will be able to start via the menu
[09:25] <Artemis_Fowl> so if the whole kdebase is present, the second desktop file would be working
[09:25] <Artemis_Fowl> got it
[09:25] <apachelogger> scenario 2: user does have systemsettings installed - kcmshell4 is a dep thus he will be able to start via the menu and syssettings
[09:25] <Artemis_Fowl> as always u'r right :)
[09:25] <apachelogger> :)
[09:25]  * apachelogger loves the systemsettings integration, by the way
[09:26] <Artemis_Fowl> so maybe I should remove the CMake options?
[09:26] <Artemis_Fowl> with the same logic as the package, the tarball would install both files
[09:26] <apachelogger> yes
[09:27] <apachelogger> well, my intial idea was to keep the standalone app standalone
[09:27] <apachelogger> i.e. only depend on kdelibs
[09:27]  * apachelogger has no idea how to archive this though :P
[09:30] <Artemis_Fowl> it seems as if I have done a small stupidity: SVN root at sf contains the source tree
[09:30] <Artemis_Fowl> not trunk branches etc
[09:30] <Artemis_Fowl> and LP fails to import the code
[09:31] <apachelogger> are you sure it's because of this, or is LP's code import just broken? ;-)
[09:31] <Artemis_Fowl> well, that's what it states here: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad-cscvs/+bug/145240
[09:32] <Artemis_Fowl> I tried to import from my SVN repo at SF to LP and today it says it failed
[09:32] <apachelogger> :S
[09:33] <apachelogger> \sh: is the python stuff done?
[09:33] <\sh> apachelogger: it's there but not uploaded
[09:33] <apachelogger> \sh: get jr a ssh login
[09:33] <apachelogger> ftp is not working @ akademy
[09:33] <\sh> ScottK: or nixternal could do that too :)
[09:34] <apachelogger> Artemis_Fowl: I guess you could just create trunk, branches, tags and then svn move the code to trunk
[09:34] <\sh> apachelogger: and he needs his keys on the remote machine, which is not good
[09:34] <apachelogger> \sh: well, Riddell also needs to upload konvi :P
[09:35] <\sh> apachelogger: please add yourself to the core dev people...
[09:35] <\sh> you are a good addon for kde..really
[09:35]  * \sh needs a coffee
[09:35]  * Artemis_Fowl should read a good SVN-howto
[09:36] <apachelogger> hm, good and svn in one sentence
[09:36] <apachelogger> I never thought I'd see that :P
[09:36] <apachelogger> somehow that word order looks messed-up
[09:37] <Artemis_Fowl> :D
[09:38] <apachelogger> Artemis_Fowl: are you going to do a new release soon?
[09:38] <apachelogger> otherwise I am going to upload .8.1
[09:38] <Artemis_Fowl> not really. unless you want me to fix Computer Administration-->Advanced (System)
[09:39] <apachelogger> no
[09:39] <apachelogger> I can patch that for now :)
[09:39] <Artemis_Fowl> it will get fixed certainly by 0.9
[09:39] <Artemis_Fowl> ok
[09:39] <Artemis_Fowl> go ahead then
[09:46] <apachelogger> hm
[09:46] <apachelogger> someone broke kate's priority setting
[09:48] <apachelogger> Artemis_Fowl: btw, the FSF address in your license headers is out-of-date
[09:48] <apachelogger> ohhhhh
[09:48] <apachelogger> someone remember me to poke tonio in the eye when he is back :P
[09:48] <apachelogger>   * Removed kubuntu_01_kate_desktop.patch:
[09:48] <apachelogger>     - The patch caused kate.desktop to fail with kde4
[09:48] <apachelogger>       Kdeinit couldn't launch kate
[09:49] <apachelogger> I am almost certain that patch changed kate's initial priority
[09:51] <apachelogger> +InitialPreference=8
[09:51] <apachelogger> -.-
[10:21] <a|wen> ScottK: seen bug 257809 - isn't it overkill to reconfigure xserver-xorg as we have the "bulletproof X" in hardy? ... seems to me to be able to cause more trouble than good doing that, or what do you think?
[10:36] <jussi01> apachelogger: any luck with a deb yet?
[10:36] <apachelogger> no
[10:40] <apachelogger> we need someone to make a screensaver
[12:02] <ScottK> a|wen: bulletproof X is supposed to be a fallback.  My initial reaction is to depend on it by design is a mistake.  I'll think about it.
[12:03] <ScottK> \sh: I'll be offline for $WORK all day.  If it still needs sponsoring I could look into it ~15 hours from now.
[12:03] <\sh> ScottK: I don't mind...but it needs to be done before the main freeze :)
[12:04] <ScottK> Right, that reminds me, Main is frozen for the alpha right now anyway.
[12:05] <\sh> well, alpha 4 should be released today..
[12:06] <\sh> what I'll do just now, is to push the new upstreams of the pyqt4 stack to our kde4 ppa...
[12:06] <ScottK> Right, so maybe tonight then.
[12:06] <\sh> I wouldn't push it so hard, but these new bugfix releases are really helping a lot ;)
[12:07] <ScottK> \sh: Did you merge in the Debian changes?  They've done a fair number of improvements to the packaging.
[12:08] <ScottK> Gotta run.
[12:08] <\sh> ScottK: I thought riddell is pushing the stuff to debian..
[12:17] <Artemis_Fowl> apachelogger: the postal code of the FSF address ism outdated?
[12:20] <apachelogger> Artemis_Fowl: seems so
[12:35] <nixternal> good morning
[12:38] <apachelogger> morning Nightrose
[12:38] <apachelogger> eh
[12:38] <apachelogger> nixternal:
[12:38] <a|wen> ScottK: okay, seems both ways are non-optimal then ... it probably should be kept as it is now
[12:38]  * apachelogger will never get used to quassel's autocompletion ^_^
[12:40] <jpds> Artemis_Fowl: Look in /usr/share/common-licenses/GPL-3 for the new address.
[12:40] <nixternal> apachelogger: you aren't the only one who has *completion issues..it happened yesterday as well
[12:41] <Artemis_Fowl> jpds: actually I lookat the Contact section at fsf.org
[12:41] <apachelogger> jpds: gpl3 doesn't have an address anymore :P
[12:41] <Artemis_Fowl> looked at*
[12:42] <jpds> apachelogger: Yay.
[12:42] <apachelogger> only website IIRC
[12:42] <apachelogger> or email
[12:42] <apachelogger> something digital
[12:42] <Artemis_Fowl> apachelogger: this is right: http://www.fsf.org/about/contact.html?
[12:42] <jpds> Anyone on intrepid with ubuntu-dev-tools care to test the "buildd" script in it?
[12:42] <apachelogger> jpds: what is that doing?
[12:43] <jpds> apachelogger: buildd -h
[12:43] <apachelogger> can't
[12:43] <apachelogger> system is falling apart
[12:43] <jpds> apachelogger: Like always no?
[12:43] <apachelogger> yes
[12:44] <apachelogger> though mozilla really is the worst
[12:44]  * apachelogger can't even type properly
[12:44] <apachelogger> Artemis_Fowl: yes
[12:44] <Artemis_Fowl> ok
[12:45] <apachelogger> jpds: there is no manpage
[12:45] <apachelogger> and it is no gui app
[12:45] <apachelogger> that makes me feel like bitching about it
[12:45] <jpds> apachelogger: I'll write that tomorrow.
[12:45]  * Artemis_Fowl will try to create trunk/ brances/ and tags/ and hope that he won't blow the SVN repo
[12:45] <apachelogger> that help is not helpful at all
[12:46]  * apachelogger kicks buildd
[12:46] <\sh> Artemis_Fowl: use bzr
[12:46] <apachelogger> \sh: he's trying to import into lp
[12:46] <Artemis_Fowl> LP can't import from my SourceForge SVn repo -.-
[12:46] <jpds> apachelogger: dpkg --status ubuntu-dev-tools | grep -i version ?
[12:46] <\sh> Artemis_Fowl: did you talk to the folks of #launchpad?
[12:47] <apachelogger> 38
[12:47] <Artemis_Fowl> \sh: I got an e-mail with this: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad-cscvs/+bug/145240
[12:47] <jpds> apachelogger: I uploaded 0.39 a few minutes ago.
[12:47] <Artemis_Fowl> \sh: as it seems I shouldn't use SVN root as the source tree
[12:48] <apachelogger> pfff
[12:48] <\sh> Artemis_Fowl: yes...that's totally crap if you use svn like that
[12:48]  * apachelogger is downloading a new image right now
[12:48] <apachelogger> doing status-quo testing
[12:48] <\sh> Artemis_Fowl: just do this: mkdir trunk ; svn add trunk ; svn commit
[12:48] <\sh> or much better
[12:49] <jpds> apachelogger: Or just try: "buildd amarok intrepid status".
[12:49] <apachelogger> ahhh
[12:49] <\sh> Artemis_Fowl: svn co <your tree> and move (via svn funcs) all files to trunk dir ; and commit
[12:49] <apachelogger> jpds: cool
[12:49] <\sh> hmmm
[12:50] <\sh> build intrepid amd64|i386 amarok -> results in a mail to me
[12:50] <\sh> for two archs...
[12:50] <jpds> apachelogger: kate /usr/bin/buildd all info ;-)
[12:50] <apachelogger> like I understand it :P
[12:50] <apachelogger> deb-sourcecheck is still the best script ever :P
[12:51]  * \sh had to tweak mk-sbuild-lv for him too, to not use ext3 
[12:52]  * Artemis_Fowl commited trunk.
[12:53]  * Artemis_Fowl is reading the svn move doc
[12:54] <\sh> Artemis_Fowl: better to use your working copy instead of doing it directly on the repo ;)
[12:54] <apachelogger> Artemis_Fowl: svn mv thing tolocation
[12:54] <apachelogger> svn mv others trunk/
[12:55] <Artemis_Fowl> \sh: how is it done in my working copy and not directly at SVN?
[12:55] <\sh> Artemis_Fowl: svn move <file> <destdir/file> so it moves not only the file but also the meta-svn-data correctly without losing anything
[12:56] <\sh> Artemis_Fowl: you can just do svn move * trunk/ ,-> becuase trunk is also in the root tree now ,-)
[12:56] <\sh> s/can/can't/
[12:56] <apachelogger> well
[12:56] <Artemis_Fowl> so for instance: "svn move src/* trunk"?
[12:56] <apachelogger> maybe it just breaks for trunk
[12:56] <\sh> Artemis_Fowl: yes
[12:57] <apachelogger> well
[12:57] <Artemis_Fowl> for each directory
[12:57] <Artemis_Fowl> ok
[12:57] <apachelogger> Artemis_Fowl: svn mv src trunk
[12:57] <apachelogger> will move src to trunk/src
[12:57] <\sh> apachelogger: I wouldn't bet on it...I'm a first time svn user, and I saw cows flying in colored formations
[12:57] <Artemis_Fowl> xD
[12:57] <\sh> apachelogger: first time svn user means since the very first pre-release of svn ,->
[12:57] <apachelogger> poor \sh
[13:01] <Artemis_Fowl> hmm
[13:02] <Artemis_Fowl> \sh: i get this: http://pastebin.com/d2c65277c
[13:03]  * apachelogger diggs for an empty cd
[13:03] <Artemis_Fowl> when trying to move the cfg directory
[13:03] <\sh> Artemis_Fowl: yes..that's correct...
[13:03] <apachelogger> I love the looks of Artemis_Fowl
[13:03] <apachelogger> 's paste
[13:03] <\sh> check now : ls -la trunk/cfg/ if everything is there
[13:03]  * apachelogger has serious typing problems here
[13:03]  * \sh pets apachelogger so he can relax ,->
[13:04] <apachelogger> hrrhrr
[13:06] <Artemis_Fowl> \sh: http://pastebin.com/db4c09d7
[13:06] <Artemis_Fowl> first error
[13:06] <Artemis_Fowl> maybe first copy and then delete?
[13:07] <\sh> that what's move is doing
[13:08] <Artemis_Fowl> y i saw that
[13:08] <\sh> and it shouldn't fail
[13:08] <\sh> is /cfg also deleted from the disk?
[13:08] <Artemis_Fowl> on my working copy
[13:08] <Artemis_Fowl> cfg exists
[13:09] <Artemis_Fowl> its contents got moved thou
[13:09] <Artemis_Fowl> gh
[13:09] <\sh> svn delete cfg ? (from the root tree not tgat cfg in trunk now)
[13:10] <\sh> but when svn status tells you that it have to be delete with the next commit ... it should work
[13:10] <Artemis_Fowl> strange: on svn everything is as before. nothing got moved...
[13:11] <\sh> Artemis_Fowl: because the commit went wrong..so nothing is done on the repo side
[13:11] <Artemis_Fowl> so I do svn delete cfg or SVn root?
[13:11] <Artemis_Fowl> on SVN*
[13:12] <\sh> user@host:~/working-copy/ > svn delete cfg
[13:12] <Artemis_Fowl> y did it
[13:12] <Artemis_Fowl> same error
[13:12] <Artemis_Fowl> refuses to delete it...
[13:13] <\sh> paste svn status
[13:13] <Artemis_Fowl> \sh: http://pastebin.com/d6bd3b9c9
[13:14] <Artemis_Fowl> those grubpasswordeditors are local files not in svn
[13:14] <Artemis_Fowl> ignore them
[13:14] <\sh> that looks all sane
[13:15] <\sh> I wonder if sf.net has problems
[13:15] <Artemis_Fowl> I have experienced some slight problems from times to times...
[13:15] <\sh> Artemis_Fowl: check in the sf.net svn bug tracker, if there are issues with this method
[13:17] <Artemis_Fowl> is there a way to undo the mv operation?
[13:22] <apachelogger> Riddell: usplash has a graphics glitch
[13:22] <apachelogger> at least on the live cd
[13:22] <apachelogger> showing a 2nd progressbar
[13:26] <apachelogger> nixternal: about-kubuntu.desktop's icon needs update for oxygen
[13:27] <apachelogger> and it's not working
[14:02] <Artemis_Fowl> woohoo. Moving to trunk succeeded.
[14:09] <apachelogger_> Riddell: I sent you a patch for ubiquity
[14:15] <apachelogger> Riddell: desktop effects weren't on by default :(
[14:43] <stdin> who want's bash_completion for qdbus? -> http://pastebin.com/f1a48373f
[14:44] <stdin> slightly modified version of the dcop one
[14:46] <apachelogger> shouldn't that be packaged or something? ;-)
[14:47] <stdin> where exactly? the dcop one is part of the bash_completion package
[14:47] <stdin> s/_/-/
[14:47] <apachelogger> well
[14:47] <apachelogger> either that or qdbus
[14:50] <apachelogger> oh
[14:50] <apachelogger> I think I know why k3b reports about dvd+rw-format
[14:51] <apachelogger> ...that app crashes right away with buffer overflow
[14:53] <apachelogger> stdin: # KDE qdbus completion
[14:53] <apachelogger> that should be Qt qdbus I guess ;-)
[14:53] <stdin> apachelogger: yeah, I just did sed s/dcop/qdbus/  to start with :)
[15:00] <nixternal> apachelogger: I will get that all fixed up for you...in the future could you please file a bug and assign it to me on docs, or jjesse if he is up to fixing it :)
[15:01] <apachelogger> sure
[15:20] <apachelogger> Riddell: also sent a patch for the kubuntu seed
[15:26] <stdin> I've filed a bug against bash-completion with the patch, now I just need a main-sponsor to approve it
[15:39] <apachelogger> wah
[15:39] <apachelogger> https://edge.launchpad.net/+tour/ppa
[15:40] <apachelogger> project-neon :D
[16:01] <digistyl3> were can i find the "what's new in this release" page for kubuntu intrepid ibex alpha4?
[16:28] <Serega> heya
[19:01] <apachelogger> yuriy: maybe we should do a bug hunt?
[20:15] <Riddell> apachelogger: ubiquity patch applied
[20:18] <Riddell> apachelogger: seed patch applied
[20:19] <apachelogger> Riddell: thanks
[20:20] <Riddell> anything else?
[20:26] <apachelogger> Riddell: amarok 1.4.10 upload ;-)
[20:28] <Riddell> apachelogger: got sources?
[20:29] <apachelogger> Riddell: bzr branch
[20:29]  * Riddell uploads fixed kdegames
[20:29] <apachelogger> though
[20:29] <apachelogger> I think I am going to add a get-orig-source, then you can bzr-buildpackage ;-)
[20:30] <devfil> Riddell: how have you fixed it?
[20:30] <Riddell> devfil: removed that rill rm *cpp line
[20:30] <Riddell> s/rill/silly/
[20:30] <Riddell> apachelogger: remind me again where the bzr branch is
[20:34] <apachelogger> Riddell: bazaar.launchpad.net/%7Ekubuntu-members/amarok/debian/
[20:49] <Riddell> apachelogger: nothing new https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/amarok/debian
[20:49] <Riddell> oh wait, yes there is
[20:49] <apachelogger> Riddell: bzr pull && bzr-buildpackage --merge -e && cd ../build-area
[20:49] <Riddell> https://code.edge.launchpad.net/amarok lies
[20:49] <apachelogger> hehe
[20:50]  * jussi01 just added himself to planet :D
[20:50] <Riddell> yay
[20:50] <apachelogger> jussi01: don't blog about firefox-qt :P
[20:51] <jussi01> apachelogger: hehe...
[20:51] <jussi01> why ever not?
[20:52] <apachelogger> hm
[20:52] <apachelogger> don't know actually
[20:52]  * apachelogger starts searching the tab with firefox-qt
[20:54] <jussi01> apachelogger: I want a deb. now!! <throws tantrum>
[20:54] <jussi01> :P
[20:54] <apachelogger> I was expecting such a blog post :P
[20:54] <apachelogger> oh
[20:54] <apachelogger> in fact
[20:54] <Riddell> apachelogger: uploading amarok
[20:54] <apachelogger> Riddell: thank you
[20:54] <apachelogger> jussi01: go blog something like this
[20:55] <jussi01> hm?
[20:55] <apachelogger> jussi01: such blog posts cause buzz, buzz is eventually just another form of promotion
[20:56] <jussi01> apachelogger: actually might try compile it if I can ever fix my download issue :/
[20:56] <apachelogger> Riddell: Intrepid is in pretty good shape
[20:57] <apachelogger> jussi01: righto, you won't be able to download the -dbg package
[20:57] <apachelogger> it's ~270 Mib
[20:57] <apachelogger> oh, actually it shrunk
[20:57] <apachelogger> good thing
[20:57] <apachelogger> -rw-r--r--  1 me me 132M 2008-08-14 15:05 firefox-qt-dbg_0.1~hg20080812-0ubuntu1~ppa1_i386.deb
[20:58] <jussi01> :)
[21:00] <jussi01> apachelogger: oh, please do share... :/
[21:00] <apachelogger> working on it
[21:00] <jussi01> :)
[21:00] <apachelogger> it just takes forever
[21:01] <jussi01> yeah, I imagine so
[21:01] <JontheEchidna> We could get pr points packaging this too: http://aseigo.blogspot.com/2008/08/in-containment.html
[21:01] <jussi01> how long does the mecurial checkout take?
[21:02] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: we should package aaron? Oo
[21:02] <apachelogger> jussi01: also forever
[21:02] <JontheEchidna> no, plasma firefox plugin
[21:02] <jussi01> hehe
[21:02] <apachelogger> well, there is not much function in it actually
[21:03] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: are you done with the security bug yet?
[21:03] <JontheEchidna> working on gutsy-security now
[21:03] <jussi01> JontheEchidna: you got me a terminal plasmoid yet? or a jaiku one?
[21:03] <jussi01> :D
[21:03] <JontheEchidna> jussi01: haven't seen one
[21:03] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: just let ubuntu-security handle this
[21:03] <apachelogger> just upload one debdiff and the patch itself
[21:03] <JontheEchidna> ok
[21:04] <Riddell> apachelogger: uploaded!
[21:04] <apachelogger> thank you
[21:04] <Riddell> apachelogger: thanks, we'll need to get you main upload rights sometime
[21:04] <apachelogger> indeed :)
[21:04] <jussi01> checkout done! now to compile....
[21:04] <jussi01> :D
[21:05] <jussi01> home network > work network :D
[21:05] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger, vorian: I fixed up the Lancelot packaging
[21:06] <apachelogger> Riddell: did you remove the desktop effects patch?
[21:06] <Riddell> apachelogger: from hwhere?
[21:06] <apachelogger> a guy in -kde4 also didn't get them by default
[21:06] <apachelogger> Riddell: kdebase-workspace
[21:07] <Riddell> which one is that?
[21:07] <Riddell> kubuntu_10_turn_on_kwin_compositing.diff ?
[21:07] <apachelogger> probably
[21:08] <Riddell> well it'll only work if you have compiz-wrapper installed and compiz-wrapper likes your video card
[21:09] <apachelogger> Riddell: I guess it should be added to the seed then
[21:09] <apachelogger> or maybe compiz doesn't like intel ;-)
[21:09] <jussi01> apachelogger: Im a little confused... wht do i do with that mozconfig stuff?
[21:12] <apachelogger> install autoconf2.13 and run it in the main directory
[21:12] <apachelogger> that should create a configure script
[21:14] <jussi01> Im following this: https://wiki.mozilla.org/User:Pjohnsen/MozillaQtBuild
[21:15] <apachelogger> well
[21:15] <apachelogger> if you don't want a configure script... :P
[21:15] <jussi01> hehe
[21:16] <jussi01> so, again, what do I do with that mozconf stuff...
[21:16] <apachelogger> *shrug*
[21:16]  * apachelogger uses a configure script :P
[21:16] <jussi01> hehe
[21:16] <jussi01> ok
[21:19] <Riddell> apachelogger: compiz-wrapper is a recommends now for kwin
[21:20] <yuriy> apachelogger: hmm? (re: bug hunt)
[21:20] <apachelogger> yuriy: get a load of users to download intrepid and test it until it falls apart
[21:21] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: are you workign on the firefox plasmoid thingy?
[21:21] <yuriy> aren't we always doing that, in theory?
[21:22] <apachelogger> yuriy: doesn't feel like it ;-)
[21:22] <apachelogger> besides... we have triage days so why not have days to produce work for the triage days
[21:22] <jussi01> mrgh
[21:23] <yuriy> apachelogger: yeah, but there's always a call for testing candidate cd's and alpha cd's, what else can we do?
[21:25]  * apachelogger tunes in some ska and thinks about that
[21:26] <apachelogger> yuriy: blog it and mail it each and everywhere
[21:26] <apachelogger> give the people some reason to join
[21:26] <apachelogger> i.e. membership an super awesome powers team with wicked minded name
[21:26] <apachelogger> that worked quite well for the ninjas ;-)
[21:27] <apachelogger> find a sponsor for a present for the guy who reported the most bugs
[21:28] <apachelogger> but most importantly, let people go crazy, like real crazy concerning using the software
[21:28] <apachelogger> ska song over
[21:28] <apachelogger> -.-
[21:31] <apachelogger> jussi01: already built for 15 minutes
[21:32] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: I was about to work on it
[21:32] <apachelogger> ok
[21:32] <JontheEchidna> my sister needed to use the comp for a bit though
[21:32] <apachelogger> well
[21:32] <apachelogger> maybe I will start on it
[21:32] <JontheEchidna> doesn't really matter to me
[21:33]  * apachelogger thinks we should get a project for all the bzr branches ;-)
[21:34] <Riddell> not worth it, james_w is working on doing imports for every package
[21:34] <jussi01> apachelogger: be nice to me, and tell me how to build it :/ Im all weird tonight :/
[21:35] <apachelogger> Riddell: until kobby is somewhat usable bzr is still the best way to do collaborative packaging
[21:35] <apachelogger> jussi01: just wait for the package
[21:36] <apachelogger> only a matter of hours now
[21:36]  * JontheEchidna thinks he'll load up the plasmoid plugin in firefox-qt
[21:36] <jussi01> apachelogger: I know, but Id still like to know how to build it.
[21:37] <apachelogger> ./configure --help
[21:37] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: it's not working
[21:37] <apachelogger> at least it didn't work for me
[21:37] <JontheEchidna> still compiling here
[21:37] <apachelogger> which might very well be related to the fact that I crippled firefox quite much
[21:38] <JontheEchidna> heh
[21:39] <jussi01> right... maybe I wait for the package...
[21:43] <JontheEchidna> No workey in firefox-qt here either
[21:46] <JontheEchidna> works in regular firefox though
[21:46] <JontheEchidna> pretty sweet
[21:47]  * JontheEchidna plays around with plasma.html
[21:49] <nixternal> who in the Ubuntu community is/are the Red Hat instructor(s)?
[21:51] <Serega__> heya
[21:51] <Serega__> how can I know amount of available bytes before the read syscall?
[21:57] <jussi01> apachelogger: I need to go to be in lessthan 1 hour - any chance itll be ready by then? or should I just give up and wait for it in the morning?
[22:00] <apachelogger> http://apachelog.blogspot.com/2008/08/project-neon-neonmake.html
[22:00] <apachelogger> jussi01: hm
[22:00] <apachelogger> in fact
[22:00] <apachelogger> you know what just finished ;-)
[22:01] <apachelogger> woah
[22:01] <apachelogger> that is the smallest deb I ever managed to get
[22:01] <apachelogger> ogg--
[22:01] <JontheEchidna> oy apachelogger, should kde-nightly be working with intrepid yet or does it still break Qt apps?
[22:02] <jussi01> :)
[22:02] <apachelogger> jussi01: which arch would you like to have?
[22:02] <jpds> apachelogger: Nice blog slogan.
[22:02] <jussi01> 32 bit :)
[22:02] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: I don't know, I wasn't able to reproduce the issue in my vm actually
[22:02] <apachelogger> jpds: hehe, thanks :)
[22:02] <apachelogger> jussi01: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/16839917/firefox-qt_0.1~hg20080814.1-0ubuntu1~ppa3_i386.deb
[22:03] <jussi01> Yippeee!!!!
[22:03] <jussi01> :D
[22:03] <apachelogger> it should up in your menu
[22:03] <apachelogger> with a blue-globe-icon
[22:03] <apachelogger> but please backup your ~/.mozilla before starting it
[22:03] <jussi01> ok :D
[22:06] <jussi01> hrm... requires 4.4.1 :/
[22:06] <apachelogger> oh
[22:06] <apachelogger> jussi01: you are hardy?
[22:06] <apachelogger> *on
[22:06] <jussi01> yeah
[22:06] <apachelogger> then you will have to wait until tomorrow
[22:06] <jussi01> doh!
[22:06] <apachelogger> only intrepid for now
[22:07] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: can you give hte intrepid package shot please?
[22:07] <jussi01> ah well, cant be helped I suppose
[22:07] <apachelogger> my system is again under heavy load :(
[22:07] <JontheEchidna> ooh, clicking on the link made a window pop up asking if I wanted to install with GDebi
[22:07] <JontheEchidna> nice touch
[22:08] <jussi01> apachelogger: which libs do I need for ogg support you know? It threw me an error on ./configure
[22:08] <apachelogger> dunno
[22:09] <apachelogger> I just compiled without
[22:09] <apachelogger> saves you almost 10mib for the binary
[22:10] <jussi01> ahh, yeah, thats what Ive done - waiting on the make right now
[22:10] <jussi01> itll probably error out though... cause I put lots of weird optioons
[22:11] <jussi01> oh my poor PC... getting hot.
[22:34] <jussi01> apachelogger: JontheEchidna one final question... where is the binary hidden? build seemed to complete ok...
[22:34] <JontheEchidna> there should be an obj dir in the root of the source tree
[22:34] <JontheEchidna> from there it's dist/bin/
[22:34] <JontheEchidna> ./firefox
[22:37] <jussi01> JontheEchidna: brilliant!!! :D :D it runs :D
[22:37] <jussi01> thanks a lot
[22:37] <JontheEchidna> np
[22:38] <JontheEchidna> just watch out for menus and such
[22:38] <JontheEchidna> they steal focus hard
[22:38] <JontheEchidna> only way to make them go away and to be able to click anything else on your computer is to select an item
[23:47] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: one can press esc