[00:03] cskmax: There's a list of mirrors and their freshness on launchpad, I know. [00:04] cskmax: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archivemirrors , for example :) [00:13] great, got one in my state - that's the sort of list I couldn't find through Google, thanks again === jtechidna is now known as JontheEchidna [03:15] kde 4.1, nvidia driver, new xorg.conf ... I think I'll like this new kde :) [03:41] Heh, just came back from OS X. It's a great feeling booting back into Linux, for me. [03:41] s/it's/it gives/ [03:41] lol [03:42] Heh, try to find an app like Amarok or QuodLibet, that can play music by folders.......... [03:42] It simply doesn't exist. Not a one! [03:42] exaile? [03:42] Don't think that's available for OS X, is it? [03:43] The only thing remotely close is the thing formerly known as xbox media center. [03:44] oh, osx. right. [03:44] ... and using a media center app for music playback does not cut it. [03:44] Therefore, I shall never be able to use OS X as a main OS; in fact, you couldn't pay me to do so. [03:44] wait what? [03:44] itunes? [03:44] Nope, that does tags only. [03:45] DanaG: I feel that same way about Linux :P [03:45] ah, music by folder [03:45] not music IN folder [03:45] ... and then you have the Verizon music phones, which can't comprehend folders. [03:45] I don't mean they don't do by folders (yeah, they do tags instead)... [03:45] I mean they open the MyMusic folder... and use all the files in that one folder. Non-recursively@! [03:46] My portable media player: Cowon iAudio6. [03:49] wtf... somehow my PCM volume got set to zero. [03:50] How do you set the default application for certain filetypes? [03:50] I want to use gmplayer for mkv and ogm, but it insists on using Totem. [03:50] It's under "nautilus preferences" [03:51] Oh yeah, setting it in Gnome doesn't set what xdg-mime uses. [03:51] Sorry, that's a barefaced lie. [03:51] I was thinking of removable media. [03:51] Odd... I open "downloads/" in alt-f2, and it pops open my quodlibet window? That's just bizarre. [03:51] xdg-mime is likely broken right now, given that xdg-open can't detect GNOME at the moment, and so falls back on crapness. [03:52] downloads is a folder. [03:52] Even in Hardy, I had issues with not being able to set some things. [03:52] that's screwy. [03:52] It even LAUNCHES quodlibet for it. [03:53] Opening from Nautilus uses the Gnome setting, but opening from Azureus does not. [03:55] Aah, quodlibet was set as the default for folders. [04:10] hi [04:10] just installed intrepid and xserver doesnt want to load [04:11] is this a common issue in this alpha release? [04:11] boot without splash? [04:11] does it still happen then? [04:11] doest thou havest an error perchance [04:11] it boots but it sends me to the console mode [04:11] no errors just sais xservers failed [04:11] and system clock failed [04:12] /var/logl/Xorg.0.log [04:12] cec [04:12] sec* [04:13] i cant paste it, so what do u want me to do ? [04:14] Pastebin it. [04:14] didnt i justsay i can't? [04:14] The package "pastebinit" may be useful for you :) [04:14] i have no gui [04:14] all just console [04:14] You don't need one. [04:14] Install pastebinit, and run "pastebinit /var/log/Xorg.0.log" [04:14] k let me install that package...how do i exit vim? [04:15] :q [04:15] Possibly with an at the start. [04:16] i always have a xorg.o.log.old [04:16] That's the previous Xorg.0.log, yes. [04:16] http://pastebin.com/fea86a9d [04:17] umm line 172 # [04:17] (EE) NVIDIA(0): Failed to load the NVIDIA kernel module! [04:18] that means a need a new nvidia kernel? which i dont know how to get.. [04:18] yellowz: Have you manually installed the nvidia driver? [04:18] !nvidia | yellowz [04:18] yellowz: For Ati/NVidia/Matrox video cards, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto [04:19] RAOF: no i used the update manager [04:19] hwilde: How sure are you that that's relevent for Intrepid? [04:19] the bot knows all [04:19] It seems that my madwifi modules aren't being unloaded like they should be before suspend [04:19] madwifi is back?!?! [04:19] hwilde: It does, but I don't think that the page it links to is relevant :) [04:19] dkms somedimes doesn [04:19] er [04:19] dkms sometimes doesn't run in time, for me. [04:19] yellowz: I'd suggest running "sudo aptitude install nvidia-glx-177". [04:20] Depends on the video ard. [04:20] card. [04:20] Is there any reason to have both 173 and 177 [04:20] > [04:20] He's got a nv5x, you can tell from the log :) [04:20] i have 8800 gtx 640mb [04:20] LSD|Ninja: What do you mean "back" ? [04:20] DanaG: Yes. 177 supports more cards, I believe. [04:20] RAOF: so u want me to use that? [04:20] Does it not supersede 173? [04:21] yellowz: Yes. You should run "sudo aptitude install nvidia-glx-177". [04:21] k 1 sec [04:21] Jordan_U: It wasn't in Intrepid to begin with, ath5k was inflicted on us instead [04:21] DanaG: Perhaps, I forget. [04:21] LSD|Ninja: The only reason it wasn't working before ( AFIK ) was bug 254034 [04:21] Launchpad bug 254034 in linux-restricted-modules "Tries to create 'volatile' directory on read-only filesystem" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/254034 [04:22] installing [04:22] LSD|Ninja: ath5k wasn't working for me, so I ran "sudo lrm-manager" and boom, working wireless :) [04:22] Aah, that'd be it. [04:22] The 'volatile' issue. [04:22] iys telling me that i had 173 [04:22] Oh yeah, /me wonders: how does a Radeon HD3650 compare to a GeForce Go 7600? [04:23] depends if you like ati or nvidia [04:23] RAOF: restart? [04:23] I just mean in terms of performance. [04:23] yellowz: Actually, shouldn't be necessary. [04:23] im still in the console mode [04:23] do i need to run a command maybe? [04:24] sudo invoke-rc.d dkms_autoinstaller stop [04:24] w\e im restarting [04:24] sudo invoke-rc.d dkms_autoinstaller start [04:25] well hig-five for RAOF ;] [04:26] high* lol [04:26] well is there any other bugs in this alpha release? [04:26] Well, my gnome-session breaks if I update to a newer version, for some reason. [04:26] s/ a / the / [04:27] well im not actually using the normal ubuntu distor, im trying out ubuntustudio [04:27] already sent my first crash error [04:34] well is there any other bugs in this alpha release? [04:34] lol [04:34] !topic [04:34] Please read the channel topic whenever you enter, as it contains important information. To view it at any time after joining, simply type /topic [04:34] lol well i found a good bug...banshee sources are in universe! [04:34] that is good rite? [04:35] no [04:36] They're meant to be in Universe. [04:36] You might notice that the binaries are there, too :) [04:36] well no sound though [04:36] * DanaG is irked at the broken uvesafb. [04:37] hm well alsamixer has the wrong card set-up...how come asoundconfg doesnt work? [04:38] i need to change the default card..i remember it was 'asoundconfg set-default-card blah' in hardy [04:38] what has it been changed to? [04:39] maybe not..lol im so stupid [04:39] yellowz: are you *sure* you want to run a development release? [04:39] very [04:40] * Hobbsee notes that hand-holding help usually isn't given for development releases, as people are actually busy testing and fixing things. [04:40] That reminds me... I need to file a bug on something (in Hardy, actually). [04:46] yellowz, man asoundconf [04:46] argh, how do you find bugs with specified package? [04:46] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu [04:48] DanaG, google site:bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/ [04:48] !google [04:48] google is the helpers' friend; many newer users dont have the google-fu yet; For GNU/Linux: http://google.com/linux [04:48] lol [04:48] It turns out you have to go through https://launchpad.net/ubuntu [04:48] .... you can't get to packages specifically from "bugs.launchpad.net" [04:49] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/alsa-utils/ [04:49] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/packagenamehere/ [04:50] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/guidance-backends/ [04:50] !info guidance-backends [04:50] guidance-backends (source: kde-guidance): collection of system administration tools for GNU/Linux. In component main, is optional. Version 0.8.0svn20080103-0ubuntu20 (intrepid), package size 252 kB, installed size 1404 kB [04:50] odd that it's installed on non-kde. [05:26] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde-guidance/+bug/257809 [05:26] Launchpad bug 257809 in kde-guidance "guidance-backends overwrites xorg.conf without confirmation or notification, if video card has changed since last boot" [Undecided,New] [05:51] Isn't that a lovely feature? [05:54] Agh, I wish the new laptops would be available NOW (or at least some time this month).... or at the very least, I wish I knew when (to the week) they'll be available. [05:54] new laptops? [05:54] DanaG: guidance-backends is used for displayconfig-gtk [05:56] er, "the" would be definitive ... but I typed it in the wrong channel. [05:57] New HP EliteBook models. The 15" ones. [05:57] If there's one thing more annoying than waiting a month for a product release date.... it is this: waiting for a product release MONTH. [05:59] as in, "Available in September" [06:09] nice one.. [06:10] suse certified, will run ubuntu, eh.. :) [06:20] Plus, with the whole shpiel of defective nvidia chips (along with all the issues I've had with nvidia), I'll be glad to go to ATI. [06:22] s/shpiel/snafu/ (or debacle. or whatever you want to call it.) [06:30] HP also likes giving kernel.org new servers. Look at the news on kernel.org home page. === presroi_ is now known as presroi [06:35] is this just happening to me or does the ¨shut down¨ and the ¨restart¨ buttons dont work? [06:35] That functionality was still broken last I checked [06:36] so i need to use ¨shutdown¨ and ¨reboot¨ as root to do does things? [06:36] They work from GDM, just not from within gnome (they just log you out back to GDM) [06:37] hm i have also got another problem while trying to write ´ ¨ and ^ [06:37] i have to press the keys twice to get those working for some reason [06:50] anybody? [06:52] its so annoying i could like write ⁶ [06:52] wtf is that [06:53] u guys do see that rite? [06:53] That appears to be a superscript 6 [06:53] Cool. [06:53] ⁶ [06:53] ¹ [06:53] Wicked. [06:53] when i press ctrl+6 lol [06:53] but my problem is when pressing shift and 6,´ or just ´ [06:54] i have to press the buttons twice to get them working...is this keyboard layout issue or interpid? [06:54] I suspect that your compose key is somewhere unexpected. [06:54] how do i fix this then? [06:55] You sæ, hitting the ménü button eats the néxt keypress. [06:55] Alløwing people to do çrazy things with punctuation. [06:56] You probably want to look in System->Preferences->Keyboard [06:56] i been looking in there for a while [06:56] cant find anything related i guess [06:56] other than layouts -> layout options [06:56] which i just dont understand [06:56] Layouts->Layout options->Compose key position? [06:57] and then what? everything is un-selected in there fort me [06:57] for* [06:57] Then perhaps file a bug :) [06:58] So, pressing shift+6 doesn't get you ^? [06:58] no it doesnt but pressing shit-6-6 gets me ^ [06:58] shift* [06:58] oops lol sry [06:59] and pressing ´ twice gets me ´ and pressing shift-´-´ gets me ¨ [07:04] It seems that shift may be playing 'compose' for you. Alternatively, you may be using a keyboard layout with deadkeys, but I don't think that'll be happening in Intrepid now. [07:05] so what would u do if u were me... [07:06] wait my layout that is selected has (dead keys) in it [07:06] which is USA international (with dead keys) [07:06] could that be the problem? [07:06] Yes. [07:07] That is the problem. [07:07] If you're running a current Intrepid system, you probably want the "evdev" thingy [07:07] what layout should i be oooon then? [07:07] "Evdev-managed keyboard" is what I'm using, and I believe that's what should be used. As long as you're up-to-date. [07:07] i dont see it under us [07:08] It isn't [07:08] where at? [07:08] Sorry. That should be the keyboard _model_. [07:08] oh mine is on my actual model [07:08] is that a problem too? [07:09] Gah, sorry. I'm confusing you and myself :) [07:09] ok i restore everything to defaults [07:09] You won't need to change the model (although I'm not sure why it's not evdev). [07:09] and my keyboard is on the evdev thingy [07:10] Selecting any keyboard layout variant that _doesn't_ contain "dead keys" should work. [07:10] * RAOF suggests dvorak! [07:10] wow im so stupid [07:10] now it works lol [07:11] man this is too good to be true....i could play mkv files, play flash and my keyboard is working so as my video card...i just hope this lasts for more than a week [07:24] nvm lol audio is flash just stopped working [07:38] Oh yeah, how do you use Compose? [07:38] I've used AltGr, but never Compose. [07:39] You go "o to type ö [07:43] RAOF: lol i got the mkv to work but now the audio in firefox flash videos stopped working? could it be one of the gstreamer packages i installed is causing the problems? or is there anything better than "flashplugin-nonfree" [07:43] I do that with AltGr. [07:46] DanaG: THen AltGr is probably your compose key. [07:46] Not quite. [07:46] AltGr does these directly: äéëéþëðüfúíüþgëe [07:46] and 'þ' [07:46] Cool. [07:47] It'd be your 3rd level chooser then? [07:47] Fredd: The audio is probably flash and pulseaudio fighting over your ALSA device. [07:47] how do i fix it? [07:47] remove pulseaudio? [07:48] remove flash [07:48] Probably not a winner there :) [07:48] Install libflashsupport. [07:48] * crdlb runs [07:48] And watch flash crash! [07:48] wait why did he say remove flash? [07:48] The take-home message here: Flash sucks. [07:48] You could install either swfdec-mozilla or gnash; they'll play nicely with pulseaudio. [07:49] im using alsa though [07:49] None of your gnome apps are, I'll wager. [07:49] and i dont want pulseaudio but if i try to remove it it will like remove alot of other packages [07:49] At least, not directly. [07:55] There's only one thing I hate worse than the nvidia (windows and linux, both!) drivers: [07:55] Flash. [07:55] Crashitty crash crash..... crash..... [07:55] ... and crash again. [07:55] well u should tell that to everybody who uses [07:55] And oh, apparently 10 < 8. [07:58] so there is no way to make the flashplugin-nonfree to work with alsa? [07:59] Argh, compose does not work for me. [07:59] asoundconf set-pulseaudio [07:59] but be prepared for Flash to crash, crash, crash, crash, crash, crash, crash, crash, crash, crash, crash, crash, crash, crash, crash, crash, crash, crash, crash, crash, crash, crash, [07:59] that will? [07:59] Oh wait, it does that already in Flash 10 anyway. [08:00] bug 192888 [08:00] Launchpad bug 192888 in libflashsupport "firefox crashes on flash contents when using libflashsupport" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/192888 [08:00] Read from the bottom upwards, perhaps. [08:00] Anyway, I'm going off to bed now. Good night. [08:00] Thu Aug 14 00:00:23 PDT 2008 [08:00] libflashsupport is for pulseaudio and im using A L S A [08:00] Well, Flash opens the device in blocking mode. [08:00] .. or so it seems. [08:01] you talk too much. [08:01] could of just gave me an answer and thats it. [08:08] Fredd: libflashsupport has nothing to do with pulse audio [08:08] still no audio with flash [08:09] thats what the package describtion says.. [08:09] Fredd: make sure you are using pulse audio [08:09] im not using pulseaudio though [08:09] because im using alsa which works fine for me. [08:09] Fredd: pa uses alsa [08:09] ... [08:10] if pulseaudio is freaking amazing then why does the ubuntu team leave alsa? [08:10] pulse audio uses alsa [08:10] Fredd: "Alsa works fine for me" is a fine sentiment. On the other hand, it _doesn't_ work for you, since you haven't got sound in flash :) [08:10] fine fine fine [08:10] i will use pulseadio [08:11] I, personally, haven't had any problems with sound in flash. So it's harder to help others :) [08:11] * gnomefreak doesnt care either way what you use but the sound problem was fixed in pulse audio. libflash support causes crashes and we are thinking of removing it from intrepid [08:12] because u r using pulseaudio? [08:12] Fredd: you should be using pulse audio by default in INtrepid [08:12] but only for ubuntu not kubuntu or xubuntu [08:14] ok just changed to pulseaudio in "system -> prefs -> sound" and now i cant hear anything in banshee [08:14] Fredd: here is info on PA and how to set it or check if you are using it. [08:14] !pulseaudio [08:14] PulseAudio is a sound server intended as a drop-in replacement for !ESD - See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PulseAudio for information and installation instructions [08:17] well i cant seem to change my own privileges [08:31] well i followed the instructions and everything..now i have the system sound working with pulseaudio but not a single application is giving me sound [08:31] totem, banshee, and flash it self is not working neither [08:32] or do i need a restart? because i followed the instructions and it said i need to restart the session [08:32] nothing about restarting the machine [08:33] RAOF: ? [08:40] im going to avoide seeing a big red screen with blue dots everywhere on start up but yeah sound is still not working [08:40] humm [08:40] on ibex Fredd [08:41] yezir [08:41] and current getting the hell rid of pulseaudio configs [08:41] have all those strange kernel modules instaled? [08:41] yeah, PA still sucks [08:41] i believe so [08:42] did It work on hardy? [08:44] neva [08:44] alsa worked fine on hardy but even better because i was able to hear flash videos [08:50] i just love how ubuntu is so freaking random [08:50] i removed most of the pulseaudio packages and now flahs is working [08:52] wow and mkv 5.1 channels are all working [08:52] gotta write this down 1:52:14 everythign is working === cjo20 is now known as Seeker` [10:11] Ugh, I hate nvidia. [10:12] I switched to metacity to save power while leaving the laptop on overnight, and then I tried to start compiz again. [10:12] .... and X crashed. [10:13] Wooo! [10:13] * RAOF hands DanaG !nouveau [10:17] Can't do compiz with it. [10:17] And I'm going to be going ATI... as soon as that damn laptop is released. [10:18] Oh yeah, and if you're wondering why "overnight" was so short... it's because I couldn't fall asleep. I'll try again a bit later. [10:21] Oh yeah, why does Intrepid support ext4? If I try to mount as ext4, I get "unknown filesystem type" (not the exact string). [10:21] same for ext4dev. [10:22] No, we don't currently build ext4. [10:22] You can see the mailinglist for details; basically, still unstable, and upstream recommends applying patches if you're going to run it. [10:23] Aah. [10:23] Well, I'm fine with "deciding not to use it" -- if it were just "ignoring" it, I'd be peeved. [10:47] can i upgrade from kubuntu hardy kde3 to kubuntu intrepid kde4 in oktober? or should i reinstall? [11:23] hiredgoon, I just wanted to make sure you're aware that (at least until my last update yesterday) OpenOffice.org is still on version 2.4. Shouldn't 3.0 get some testing soon? Anyway, that was just an observation, no reply needed. === oxigen is now known as slavecoder250 [11:53] will Intrepid ship OO 3 ? [11:53] As yet undecided. [11:54] isn't a bit late for such decisions :P ? [11:54] Not really. [11:55] 2 months from the release date, I don't see how those will be sufficient to test OO3 [11:55] Well, it wouldn't be, if OOo 3 wasn't already being tested. [11:56] I mean by Ubuntu Dev users :P [11:57] Most testing is done in Beta, anyway. [12:38] OOo 3.0 has worked fine for me so far in Hardy. But I haven't used it as default. [13:46] Hello, I'd like to upgrade my 8.04 to 8.10 alpha, how can I go about this and what is guarenteed to stop working? [13:47] Hondo_Kitsune: nothing is guarenteed [13:47] Hondo_Kitsune: it's a development release [13:47] ikonia: true, with it being an alpha [13:47] Hondo_Kitsune: things will break all the time while it's in development [13:47] ikonia: I would still like to upgrade to it. [13:47] ok, go for it [13:47] Hondo_Kitsune: you're guaranteed to catch a cold unless you hold your nose while upgrading [13:47] ikonia: How do i go about it? [13:48] virtualroadside: so the upgrader is broken then? [13:48] :p [13:48] no, it works [13:48] :P [13:48] Hondo_Kitsune: you upgrade the same as any other upgrade [13:48] !upgrade > Hondo_Kitsune [13:48] Hondo_Kitsune, please see my private message [13:49] I mean to the alpha, the site does not reference it. [13:49] I think I'd need a new repository. [13:50] * Hobbsee notes that if you have to ask, you probably shouldn't be running it... [13:51] Hobbsee: Point taken [13:51] gotta go, thanks anyway [13:51] heh === huff3r is now known as huff31 [15:16] My update always hangs on "generating Initramfs". Anyone else seeing this behaviour? [15:16] rbrunhuber, hangs for how long? [15:17] IdleOne: A few minutes now. [15:18] I usually get a 3 to 5 seconds [15:18] IdleOne: I know thats taking some time, I've seen this often before, but it took never this long. And I'm on a quite fast machine C2D 7600 [15:24] Ok still hanging on initramfs. So I will kill it. [17:34] In intrepid does the desktop installer do encrypted partitions or still only the alternate installer? [17:50] hi all [17:51] - I have a backup - anyway, is it possible to downgrade from 8.10 to 8.04? [18:48] alpha 4 is out? [18:48] according to the topic in #ubuntu-devel, yes [18:48] !download [18:48] Ubuntu installation CDs can be downloaded from http://nl.releases.ubuntu.com - Mirrors can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Mirrors - PLEASE use the !torrents to download Hardy, and help keeping the servers' load low! [18:49] !i need the link to alpha4 [18:49] Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :) [18:49] !why did your developers not give you some ai [18:49] Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :) [18:49] !alpha [18:49] Sorry, I don't know anything about alpha [18:50] where can i obtain the live cd of alpha 4 [18:51] s0u][ight: The future [18:51] oops meaning the iso image [18:52] s0u][ight: Yes, I know. Its not out. [18:53] ... http://tinyshell.be/aircrackng/forum/index.php?topic=3954.45 the last but one post check it [18:55] s0u][ight: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/8.10/alpha-4/ [18:56] Flannel: why did you not give me the link in the first place :P [18:56] s0u][ight: Because all of the other information indicates it not out yet [18:57] its funny: i know it is out but dunno the link [18:57] you dunno if it is out but know the link :D [18:57] brb === jtechidna is now known as JontheEchidna [19:24] upgraded my t61p to the alpha and my video driver got hosed. if I do dpkg-reconfigure -a when I get to the video driver part it doesn't display right and I can select the nvidia driver and it works and my screen resolution display's properly but when i click to keep the settings they go right back... :( [19:26] hello all [19:27] what do I do to reconfigure the video drivers only? [19:34] anyone? [19:39]