[16:50] <joaopinto> Hello, someone related to Canonical alive :P ?
[18:19] <shahriar86> hi guys can anyone give me articles on why we need open source
[18:19] <shahriar86> we will use it in the schools to atract students
[18:21] <shahriar86> hello??
[18:21]  * svaksha points to fsf.org 
[18:21] <shahriar86> ok thanks
[18:21] <shahriar86> there is a problem...
[18:21] <svaksha> shahriar86: some good articles there, a bit high on philosophy though
[18:22] <shahriar86> why Richard Stallman differentiate Free software and open source software
[18:22] <shahriar86> svaksha: actually I am collecting metarials so I can write one myself
[18:22] <shahriar86> *for the kids
[18:22] <svaksha> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libre#Libre
[18:24] <shahriar86> yes I agree. but again why then he is actually against using open source as a term
[18:24] <shahriar86> why he prefers open source
[18:24] <svaksha> http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?FreeAsInBeer
[18:24] <shahriar86> I mean open source is much more meaningful than Free.. (by free many dont get the Free as in Freedom)
[18:25]  * svaksha asks shahriar86 to _read_ links
[18:25] <shahriar86> yes I am checking svaksha
[18:26] <shahriar86> perhaps I have not made myself clear
[18:27] <shahriar86> what I am asking is why still Richard Stallman insists on using Free Software when it creates ambiguity, Open source is much more meaningful and easily explained
[18:28] <shahriar86> many dont get "Free as in Freedom not in Free Beer"
[18:29] <shahriar86> I have seen many people failing to understand the term Free (as in price) and the philosophy of Free (as in freedom) even though they are very vocal in promoting FOSS
[18:30] <svaksha> shahriar86: use 'libre' word - no ambiguity
[18:30] <shahriar86> ok... then :)
[18:30] <shahriar86> that was just a personal question, 
[18:30] <shahriar86> any way we go our goal is same :)
[18:30] <svaksha> shahriar86: :)
[18:31]  * svaksha uses libre always 
[18:31] <shahriar86> it does not matter what we call it as long as it means Freedom in Use, distribution and modification
[18:31] <shahriar86> ok svaksha :)
[18:31] <svaksha> shahriar86: dont forget contribution 
[18:32] <shahriar86> ohh yes contribution :)
[18:32]  * shahriar86 is searching Bengali dictonary for the word 'libre'
[18:33] <svaksha> mukt ?
[18:33] <svaksha> mukti 
[18:33] <shahriar86> mukto
[18:33] <shahriar86> yes
[18:33] <shahriar86> :)
[18:33] <shahriar86> Unmukto is the correct one
[18:33] <shahriar86> though less uses it
[18:34] <shahriar86> svaksha: are you familiar with bengali?
[18:34] <shahriar86> can you help with my article?... actually I am stuck
[18:34] <shahriar86> that is why I am searching around
[18:35] <svaksha> no bangla, try #linux-india , may find some translators there
[18:35] <shahriar86> :)
[18:35] <shahriar86> hmm
[18:35] <svaksha> or #mukt.in
[18:35] <svaksha> on freenode
[18:35] <shahriar86> ok btw
[18:35] <shahriar86> #bangladesh is also Bengali speaking
[20:07] <Feravolo> hello
[20:08] <shahriar86> hi
[20:08] <Feravolo> are you still looking for information about free software ?
[20:09] <shahriar86> yes kinda
[20:10] <Feravolo> Linux vs. Microsoft ?
[20:11] <shahriar86> Feravolo: sorry not about linux vs. microsoft really
[20:11] <Feravolo> what then ?
[20:11] <shahriar86> because I really dont think there is any reall comparison
[20:12] <shahriar86> I am trying to write up a short article where I am describing 5-10th grade students what open source is about
[20:12] <shahriar86> these students wont understand much about software coding
[20:12] <shahriar86> and such
[20:12] <shahriar86> so need something simpler to explain
[20:13] <Feravolo> have you looked at the open source foundation web site
[20:13] <shahriar86> humm those talks about the philosophy.
[20:14] <shahriar86> I understand the philosophy as a whole, but not sure about whether students will understand them
[20:14] <shahriar86> and I am actually not interested much into just translating any documents
[20:14] <shahriar86> I am trying to write in Bengali
[20:15] <Feravolo> Free software is about the free exchange of ideas in the computer science community. 
[20:15] <shahriar86> humm yes.
[20:15] <shahriar86> I guess that is why I am making it so complicated
[20:16] <shahriar86> but I dont want to focus just on the software side
[20:16] <shahriar86> I want to discuse about the open source as a whole
[20:16] <Feravolo> Which means that the quality of the product is not influenced by business politics or making some deadline or the need to make money
[20:16] <shahriar86> like open standard, etc
[20:17] <Feravolo> It doesn't ,matter what you call it open source or free software, which ever works better for you
[20:18] <shahriar86> humm no no you dont get it
[20:18] <Feravolo> Here in the US the word open is used by American Express and IBM as trademarks which also makes it confusing in the business world
[20:18] <shahriar86> I am not just focusing on "SOFTWARE"
[20:18] <shahriar86> the philosophy as a whole
[20:18] <shahriar86> like open standerd in production
[20:19] <Feravolo> oh, i though you didn't like the philosophy ?
[20:19] <shahriar86> no no why would not I like the philosophy?
[20:19] <Feravolo> i know I have no use for it , i am just a programmer
[20:19] <shahriar86> any way you call it its the same
[20:19] <Feravolo> yes
[20:20] <shahriar86> any way I think I myself is quite confused now :P
[20:20] <Feravolo> That isn't always a bad thing, when trying to understand something :-)
[20:21] <shahriar86> the problem is I quite understand what it is, but its hard to explain to other
[20:21] <Feravolo> got to go, good luck