[00:00] <kemic> would it be worth it to try proprietary drivers
[00:00] <laga> it's using the vesa driver. odd
[00:00] <laga> are you using mythbuntu 8.04?
[00:00] <kemic> yes
[00:01] <laga> hum. well, go into your /etc/X11/xorg.conf and add the radeon driver
[00:01] <laga> instead of VESA
[00:01] <laga> assuming there actually is a driver name entry
[00:03] <kemic> where it says "vesa" what should i change that to for the ati driver?
[00:03] <kemic> flgrx?
[00:05] <laga> "radeon"
[00:06] <laga> i dont think fglrx still supports the 9550, but i could be wrong
[00:07] <kemic> not getting any video now
[00:07] <kemic> the monitor is a tv would that matter in just changing the driver?
[00:07] <laga> do you use the tv-out?
[00:07] <kemic> svideo
[00:08] <laga> the radeon driver has support for that, but it needs special setup
[00:09] <laga> or maybe just xrandr
[00:09] <laga> if you have another computer, you could ssh in and play around with xrandr
[00:09] <laga> the open souce driver has tv-out support these days
[00:12] <kemic> xrandr gives me cannot open display
[00:13] <kemic> as for the open source driver is that something i can just change the "radeon" too?
[00:13] <laga> radeon is the open source driver
[00:13] <laga> kemic: try
[00:13] <laga> DISPLAY=:0 XRANDR
[00:13] <laga> oops.
[00:13] <laga> DISPLAY=:0 xrandr
[00:14] <kemic> k that works
[00:22] <kemic> it says vga-0 disconnected dvi-0 disconnected s-video disconnected
[00:23] <kemic> http://pastebin.com/d11a4a7dd
[00:24] <kemic> i think it's just a matter of changing the 1280x768 to something the tv can display? but the not sure about the svideo disconnected.
[00:25] <laga> i never did it, sorr
[00:26] <laga> but it's possible somehow ;)
[00:26] <laga> sorry*
[03:08] <vbman11> Hi all I'm having problems with my frontend
[03:09] <foxbuntu> vbman11, ask and you shall receive
[03:10] <darthanubis> you my frontend slows down, on better hardware
[03:10] <darthanubis> it never slowed up on my slower box
[03:10] <darthanubis> weird
[03:10] <foxbuntu> ?
[03:10] <foxbuntu> slows down with what?
[03:11] <darthanubis> just slow to respond to input
[03:11] <darthanubis> from the keyboard remote
[03:11] <darthanubis> it should never slow down with my hardware
[03:11] <darthanubis> not even during recording
[03:12] <foxbuntu> darthanubis, there are two common causes of that with MythTV .21, the deinterlacer, and the theme Painter
[03:12] <vbman11> yea, I was just posting the frontend log here: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/37303/
[03:13] <darthanubis> foxbuntu, I'll look into it
[03:13] <darthanubis> thx
[03:14] <vbman11> foxbuntu, my frontend crashes when I go to watch tv on the "server" that I have, but works fine on all other computers
[03:15] <vbman11> (across network)
[03:15] <foxbuntu> vbman11, it appears to be a broken alsa/unsupported sound card
[03:15] <vbman11> but exaile and all other programs work with it
[03:16] <foxbuntu> ok
[03:16] <foxbuntu> are you using alsa or oss?
[03:16] <vbman11> alsa
[03:17] <vbman11> the sound card is a really old riptide
[03:17] <foxbuntu> and you are getting audio from other apps?
[03:18] <vbman11> yea
[03:20] <foxbuntu> vbman11, did you check your audio setting in the frontend on that machine?
[03:22] <vbman11> oops, I just tried the "test" in "system->pref->sound" and alsa returned a LARGE error so I switched to oss and I'm going to try it again
[03:31] <balz> I have an almost fully fucntional mythtv setup using the Phillips MCE remote with a hauppauge pvr150 tuner card.  I can do everything with this remote except change channels.  I can access channels 2-9 with the respective number buttons on the remote, but not with the chan-up/chan-down buttons.  i don't even know where to start to diangose the problem... any ideas?
[03:31] <rhpot1991> balz: what about what I told you earlier :)
[03:32] <balz> well i can't read anything on the tv as far as config files go... but i did get a friend to pastebin the lirc and MCEUSB files. would that help?
[03:32] <balz> or do you really need the raw outputs?
[03:33] <balz> lol good to see you again though, rhpot1991 =)
[03:33] <rhpot1991> no, just ssh in, use irw and press the buttons you want to work
[03:33] <rhpot1991> make sure those keystrokes do what you want them to do in mythtv
[03:33] <rhpot1991> and it should all work
[03:34] <balz> i'm on a windows client though... can i still ssh into ubuntu/
[03:34] <balz> ?
[03:36] <foxbuntu> balz, download putty
[03:36] <balz> foxbuntu:  will do, thanks
[03:37] <vbman11> foxbuntu: it still doesn't work here is the log now: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/37310/
[03:38] <vbman11> foxbuntu: I'm going to try /dev/dsp1
[03:38] <foxbuntu> vbman11, alright
[03:41] <vbman11> foxbuntu: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/37311/, any Ideas
[03:42] <foxbuntu> vbman11, you should switch back to alsa, then verify in the Mythfrontend that you have the right card selected
[03:42] <balz> rhpot1991: okay SSHed in!  That was way easier than i thought it would be... the two buttons seem to be properly mapped
[03:43] <balz> the raw output shows up followed by 00 ChanUp mceusb and 00 ChanDown mceusb
[03:43] <balz> so what gives?
[03:46] <vbman11> foxbuntu: ok, but alsa doesn't even work out of mythtv (as of 10 minutes ago)
[03:48] <vbman11> foxbuntu: this is the error I get when do the test in the sound menu "audiotestsrc wave=sine freq=512 ! audioconvert ! audioresample ! gconfaudiosink: Could not open audio device for playback."
[03:49] <foxbuntu> vbman11, well try a reinstall of alsa: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install --reinstall alsa
[03:51] <vbman11> k just a sec
[03:51] <darthanubis> foxbuntu, turned of the realtime priorities
[03:51] <darthanubis> seems to have made the frontend more responsive
[03:52] <darthanubis> I've been using lossless transcoding to remove commercials with a cutlist. But I've been wondering, do I need to use lossless for commerical editing to work?
[03:53] <foxbuntu> darthanubis, I think for the best results
[03:53] <darthanubis> hmm
[03:53] <foxbuntu> give it a try and see what you think
[03:53] <vbman11> foxbuntu: no luck
[03:54] <foxbuntu> vbman11, hmm
[03:54] <vbman11> well I need to go
[03:54] <foxbuntu> im stumped
[03:54] <foxbuntu> what card are you using?
[03:54] <foxbuntu> awesome
[03:54] <foxbuntu> ..
[04:01] <balz> Does anybody know why when I go to map the channel up/down buttons from my phillips MCE remote in the myth frontend, the show up as "up" and "down" ... irw correctly identifies them.  Could this be related to my inability to change channels?
[04:09] <superm1> balz, you have to modify ~/.lirc/mythtv
[04:09] <superm1> change then to PgUp
[04:09] <superm1> and PgDown
[04:09] <balz> superm1:  sorry change what to pgup and pgdown?
[04:09] <superm1> balz, find the block that maps to chan+/chan-
[04:09] <superm1> and there is a key binding
[04:09] <superm1> in ~/.lirc/mythtv
[04:10] <balz> superm1:  okay.  why pg up and pgdown though?
[04:10] <balz> i just want to make sure i understand before i touch anything
[04:10] <superm1> that's usually what people are looking for when changing the chan+/- buttons
[04:11] <balz> oh so myth treats the chan +/- button on the remote as pgup and pgdown?
[04:11] <superm1> well currently it treats them as up/down
[04:11] <superm1> but most people who complain want pgup/down
[04:11] <balz> i see. okay thanks!
[04:12] <balz> now brace yourself for a noob question... when you say ~/. ... does that mean /etc?
[04:12] <superm1> no that means your home directory
[04:12] <balz> okay. that's... /username/home?
[04:13] <superm1> /home/username
[04:13] <balz> sorry i'm sort of new to all fo this and my memor is aweful
[04:13] <balz> okay thanks
[04:13] <balz> thanks a bunch
[04:13] <superm1> you can literally type cd ~ and that gets you home
[04:13] <balz> oh cool
[04:13] <superm1> or refer to things in scripts as ~
[04:13] <balz> i'll write that down
[04:13] <superm1> and that represents home too
[04:13] <balz> haah who knew =)
[04:13] <tgm4883_laptop> !noob
[04:13] <Zinn> There are no noobs here.  Only users that haven't yet hardened their skills.
[04:13] <tgm4883_laptop> ;)
[04:13] <balz> yaaay!
[04:14] <superm1> hehe
[04:14] <balz> I guess this is not counter strike...
[04:14]  * tgm4883_laptop equips his AWP
[04:14] <tgm4883_laptop> HEADSHOT!
[04:14] <tgm4883_laptop> ?
[04:14] <superm1> neat headshot
[04:14] <superm1> i got a voice out of it
[04:15] <balz> pwnd!
[04:15] <tgm4883_laptop> Ha
[04:15] <tgm4883_laptop> ChanServ, I love you!!!!!!
[04:15]  * tgm4883_laptop knows how to sweet talk the bots
[04:16] <tgm4883_laptop> ChanServ, you have a nice rack
[04:16] <tgm4883_laptop> :(
[04:18] <balz> superm1:  maybe i'm completely blind but i'm not seeing the block you're referring to.  Can I pastebin and have you look at it?
[04:18] <superm1> balz, you have a basic config already generated right?
[04:18] <superm1> using mythbuntu-lirc-generator or similar
[04:18] <balz> superm1 ... i believe so?  the remote works perfectly except for the channel changing, so I'd assume so
[04:19] <superm1> this is the block you are looking for: http://paste.ubuntu.com/37314/
[04:19] <superm1> similar to that
[04:20] <balz> superm1:  and i'd be changin config - down and config = up to pgdown and pgup, respectively?
[04:20] <superm1> yeah i think that would do the trick
[04:22] <balz> okay done! let's see how it goes
[04:22] <balz> thanks a bunch, superm1 ... cross your fingers!
[04:28] <balz> superm1... no go
[04:29] <balz> chan +/- rewinds and fast forwards livetv
[04:29] <superm1> okay then put it back how you had it beforei  suppose
[04:29] <balz> any more ideas?
[04:31] <superm1> don't watch live tv ;)
[04:32] <balz> haha... yeah i was hoping to to have to do that... what if i went into the frontend and tried to bind an unused key to chan +/- and then put that in the config file as well?
[04:33] <superm1> well are you sure that other channels work in live tv mode?
[04:33] <superm1> (perhaps the low level solution)
[04:35] <balz> superm1:  channels can not work in livetv mode?
[04:35] <balz> i can get to channels 2-9 by hitting the respective number keys on the remote
[04:35] <superm1> oh okay
[04:36] <superm1> i was just checking to make sure that worked
[04:36] <balz> okay
[04:36] <balz> hmm. so can you suggest two unused keys to bind?
[04:36] <superm1> not offhand no
[04:36] <superm1> sorry
[04:37] <balz> no worries... where can i find a list of what these keys are called...?  or are they just labeled as they are on the keyboard?
[04:38] <superm1> i think they are just labeled as on the keyboard
[04:38] <superm1> i do remember having a hard time finding this list myself too though
[04:39] <balz> did you have issues changing channels?
[04:40] <superm1> well the only time i watch live tv is for olympics and superbowl, but no i didnt
[04:40] <balz> gotcha... oh you know what
[04:40] <balz> i may have it figured out
[04:40] <balz> the bindings are weird on the frontend
[04:40] <balz> ... so now that they're correctly set up in the config file (the way you suggested) i should just be able to bind the proper ones...
[04:43] <balz> nvm... still no go
[04:43] <balz> is my backend maybe improperly configured?
[04:45] <superm1> its all frontend settings for this
[04:51] <balz> this is the most annoying thing ever...
[04:51] <balz> of all the functions that could go wrong... it just had to be changing the channels
[04:56] <superm1> you tried just hitting up and down on live tv?
[04:56] <superm1> it should bring up the next and previous channels then
[04:56] <superm1> and have you made sure that you have a valid OSD chosen?  eg the OSD does work?
[04:57] <balz> i tried it
[04:57] <balz> what's OSD again?
[04:59] <superm1> on screen display
[04:59] <superm1> you do see stuff like the information for the channel etc
[05:00] <balz> you know what. i haven't seen any of that at all
[05:00] <balz> where do i configure that/
[05:01] <superm1> tv settings
[05:01] <superm1> in the frontend
[05:02] <tgm4883_laptop> ?
[05:02] <tgm4883_laptop> shouldn't that be preconfigured?
[05:02] <balz> tgm4883_laptop:  possibly?  Then again, so should changing channels =)
[05:03] <balz> tgm4883_laptop:  when you say preconfigured, do you mean when mythbuntu is installed?
[05:03] <tgm4883_laptop> yea
[05:03] <tgm4883_laptop> like it should have a default
[05:04] <balz> it does. but it doesn't show up...
[05:04] <balz> this is so weird. think it's related to my channel changin problem, tgm4883_laptop?
[05:06] <superm1> balz, is this adding onto an existing backend?
[05:07] <superm1> or just a standalone setup that you are fisr doing
[05:07] <balz> superm1:  no this was a fresh mythbuntu install:  combined backend/frontend
[05:07] <superm1> balz, then its awfully odd that this stuff isn't presetup for you
[05:07] <balz> i agree...
[05:07] <superm1> did you remove themes from the install?
[05:08] <balz> but the osd only appears when you use chan +/- so that might be why...
[05:08] <balz> yes
[05:08] <superm1> well it also appears when you hit "i"
[05:08] <superm1> for information
[05:08] <tgm4883_laptop> and you should be able to change channels from a keyboard
[05:09] <balz> lol i can't even figure out what character you entered. is that 1 (one) or l (lowercase L)?
[05:09] <superm1> neither actually
[05:09] <balz> tgm4883_laptop:  i can't change from the keyboard either
[05:09] <superm1> that's an i
[05:09] <balz> aah okay
[05:09] <superm1> as in the first letter in information
[05:09] <balz> right.
[05:10] <balz> Yeah no luck with the keyboard and no luck with "i"
[05:11] <balz> is there any other place i can go to for support on this issue?
[05:12] <balz> i'm on basic analog cable if that matters
[05:14] <balz> i'll be back in a bit. thanks for everythign guys
[05:49] <balz> okay back
[05:59] <balz> anybody home?
[07:08] <aaacreol> Hey all!
[07:08] <aaacreol> got a little problem... Cannot get channels using Avermedia AVerTVHD MCE A180 card
[07:08] <aaacreol> I have been searching for days and have tried so many things my head is spinning. Any help would be appreciated!
[07:10] <aaacreol> can someone just say "Hi" im not sure this is working
[07:11] <aaacreol> can someone just say "Hi" im not sure this is working
[07:15] <aaacreol> I've been having problems with irc can I get a hello from someone thx
[13:00] <SirSAZiN_> Hi, I need some help getting my IR blaster to work, can anyone help?
[13:02] <SirSAZiN_> i have a hauppage PVR150, it works as in I can see it flickering when I issue irsend commands but I can't get it to work with my STB. even thou it is listed as being supported... I have also tried a home brew receiver, but also to no avail, this one works in windows under WinLirc
[13:14] <MythbuntuGuest72> hi all
[13:16] <MythbuntuGuest72> I'm trying to install Mythbuntu 8.04.1, but I'm facing some issue, after the first menu, where I can select livecd, installation,..., I get busybox prompt, and no other things, do you have any tip, please?
[13:19] <laga> um
[13:19] <laga> are there any error messages on the screen?
[13:23] <MythbuntuGuest72> yes, it's says that a pci device has an unrecognized id, my mobo is a abit AN52, maybe I have found out something in internet, about a switch to set at boot, I'm going to check it, sorry for the disturb. :-)
[13:26] <MythbuntuGuest72> yes, it's works, I needed to add pci=nomsi. :-)
[13:26] <laga> great
[13:27] <MythbuntuGuest72> maybe I'll come back when I'll have a real problem. :-)
[13:27] <MythbuntuGuest72> thanks
[18:10] <balz> My MCE remote for my PVR150 does everything perfectly except change channels... I have mceusb config file and lircrc files available if needed.  Any help?
[18:12] <balz> anybody home?
[18:27] <balz> My MCE remote for my PVR150 does everything perfectly except change channels... I have mceusb config file and lircrc files available if needed.  Any help?
[18:31] <sabhain> balz can you pastbin your files?
[18:31] <balz> sabhain.  I opened a thread on ubuntuforums with all those files... why don't i just point you there?
[18:32] <sabhain> yep .. that'd be good
[18:32] <balz> sabhain:  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=5588577#post5588577
[18:33] <balz> Sabhain:  just to be clear, the remote works fine except that i cannot change channels.  I can't do that from the keyboard either.  the only thing I can do is hit buttons 2-9 on the remote to get the respecitve channels.
[18:42] <balz> sabhain:  let me know if you need any other config files
[18:43] <sabhain> can you post the /etc/lirc/hardware.conf file?
[18:44] <balz> sure hang on
[18:44] <sabhain> and what's in your /home/louist/.lircrc  file?
[18:45] <balz> i'll pastebin both of those as soon as this thing boots up...
[18:47] <balz> sabhain:  http://pastebin.com/m5f893e30
[18:47] <sabhain> ok .. as a general rule, the button labels in the .lircrc file should match those reported by IRW .. which in turn will match what is specified in the lircd.conf
[18:47] <sabhain> it seems to me that you have good agreement there .. but you may want to check that.
[18:48] <balz> and http://pastebin.com/m6f7729de
[18:48] <sabhain> it's curious to me that you can't change channels on the keyboard.  That may mean that you have keybinding issues in mythtv, rather than lirc issues with your remote.  All lirc does is tie remote commands to keystrokes .. and if the keystrokes don't work in the first place, the remote won't either.
[18:49] <balz> that's what i was thinking but the general concensus was that i should be looking at lirc...
[18:49] <balz> but that did seem weird
[18:49] <balz> nowi ran irw yesterday and the chan +/- button was correctly identified... is taht what you meant when you said i shoudl check for agreement?
[18:50] <sabhain> sort of .. we'll come back to that.
[18:50] <sabhain> First ..
[18:50] <sabhain> can you verify the location of the #3 file you posted on the forums?
[18:51] <balz> sure.  it's /home/louist/.mythtv/lircrc
[18:52] <balz> would it help you to ssh in?  i don't mind
[18:53] <sabhain> so what do you find if you look at /home/louist/.lircrc/mythtv?
[18:53] <sabhain> perhaps .. but you'll feel better when you fix it yourself.
[18:53] <balz> i get an empty file there
[18:54] <balz> i'm running mythbuntu so maybe they switched out the default location?
[18:54] <sabhain> ok, if you look at your pastebin of the .lircrc file, it's looking to ~/.lircrc/mythtv for the commands
[18:55] <sabhain> so my opinion is that you've got the file in the wrong spot .. let's try to copy it over (not move).
[18:55] <sabhain> so open a command prompt as louist and run the following:
[18:55] <balz> ok prompt is up
[18:55] <sabhain> cp ~/.mythtv/lircrc ~/.lircrc/mythtv
[18:56] <balz> do i need super user rights for that/
[18:56] <sabhain> no
[18:57] <balz> hmm i get this:  cp: accessing `/home/louist/.lircrc/mythtv': Not a directory
[18:57] <sabhain> ok .. that means there's a file there .. do this, and pastbin the result ..
[18:57] <sabhain> more /home/louist/.lircrc/mythtv
[18:58] <balz> i'm still getting "not a directory"
[18:58] <balz> louist@server:~$ more /home/louist/.lircrc/mythtv
[18:58] <balz> /home/louist/.lircrc/mythtv: Not a directory
[18:59] <sabhain> try this ..  cd ~/.lircrc
[18:59] <sabhain> then pastebin the results of "ls -al'
[18:59] <balz> haha it's still telling me it's not a directory
[19:00] <sabhain> sorry .. my bad .. I've got an extra rc in there ...
[19:00] <balz> so cd ~/.lirc ?
[19:00] <sabhain> do --- cd ~/.lirc and then .lirce
[19:00] <sabhain> yep .. then ls -al
[19:02] <balz> okay i cd'ed into .lirc .... now i cd into .lirce?
[19:02] <balz> i tried typing .lirce as a command but apparently that's not a command...
[19:02] <sabhain>  no .. that's a typo.
[19:02] <sabhain> just do an "ls -al"
[19:03] <balz> okay
[19:03] <balz> http://pastebin.com/m36b50e82
[19:04] <sabhain> ok .. and then pastebin that mythtv file that is in that directory?
[19:08] <sabhain> the mythtv file in that directory is what lirc is looking for to interpret the remote commands .. not the one you've been listing in .mythtv/lircrc
[19:08] <sabhain> does this make sense?
[19:09] <balz> ok got it:  http://pastebin.com/m5ac10139   it's such a pain to copy and paste with PuTTY =)
[19:09] <balz> ooh i see
[19:09] <balz> so the other one is more or less useless?
[19:10] <balz> that makes sense bc as I was trying to get the remote to work, i got desperate at one point and just copied a file i found on the internet into the directory it suggested
[19:11] <sabhain> yeah .. mythbuntu isn't using that other one .. but the config's are the same so it shouldn't matter much.
[19:11] <sabhain> so what happens in mythtv when you push the up or down arrow?
[19:11] <balz> nothing
[19:11] <balz> i tried that since it's bound as up/down
[19:11] <sabhain> and nothing with the keyboard up & down?
[19:12] <balz> nope. i just checked again. they both do nothing
[19:13] <balz> when i hit the buttons on the remote, i do see the confirmation light come on on the reciever
[19:13] <sabhain> run irw and then push them on the remote .. do you get ChanUp and ChanDown back?
[19:14] <balz> yes
[19:15] <balz> when i hit the up and down arrows i get "Up mceusb" and "down mceusb"  ... dunno if that's of relevance
[19:15] <balz> but i do know the changing of the channels is mapped as up and down
[19:15] <sabhain> ok .. i want you to change something in the hardware.conf file in /etc/hardware.conf .. are you comfortable doing that?
[19:15] <sabhain> you'll need to be su
[19:15] <balz> haha as long as you walk me throught it step by step
[19:16] <balz> how do i cd back to my starting point?
[19:16] <balz> or do i not need to
[19:16] <sabhain> just do cd /etc/lirc
[19:16] <balz> done
[19:17] <sabhain> then make yourself a superuser: sudo su
[19:17] <javatexan> man install says that it can copy multiple files, but i cant seem to get it to work.  I am trying to copy a bunch of files/subdirs in one directory to another and change their chmod and owner along the way...Can someone help me?
[19:17] <balz> ok done
[19:17] <javatexan> Is this possible
[19:18] <javatexan> or should I cp, then chmod and chown?
[19:18] <sabhain> balz: then cp /etc/lirc/hardware.conf /etc/lirc/hardware.conf.bak
[19:19] <balz> sabhain:  doen
[19:19] <balz> done, even
[19:19] <sabhain> what editor do you use .. comfortable with that?
[19:19] <balz> i use nano since i'm in ssh
[19:19] <sabhain> ok .. so edit hardware.conf
[19:20] <balz> i'm in
[19:20] <sabhain> and then change line #5 to be:  REMOTE="mceusb"
[19:21] <sabhain> then save & get out ..
[19:21] <sabhain> out of the file ..
[19:21] <balz> hmm. remote= is line 4 for me
[19:21] <balz> can i just pastebin to confim?
[19:22] <sabhain> that's right .. the pastebin has an extra line .. I'll past the original to be sure..
[19:22] <SHADOW__X> is that way close to binding the volume controls on the mce remote to the system volume?
[19:22] <sabhain> REMOTE="Windows Media Center Remotes (new version Philips et al.)"
[19:22] <balz> right that's the original
[19:22] <sabhain> make that say  -- REMOTE="mceusb"
[19:22]  * sabhain thinks it's a little bug in the default setup .. but not sure yet
[19:22] <balz> okay done
[19:23] <sabhain> now, still as su, do -->  /etc/init.d/lirc restart
[19:23] <balz> done
[19:24] <sabhain> ok, you can exit su, and close the shell .. you'll need to log out and back in as louist, but you don't need to reboot
[19:24] <balz> what's the command for that?
[19:24] <sabhain> exit
[19:25] <sabhain> oh .. you have no mouse or keyboard on the system?
[19:25] <balz> i have a keyboard, but i can't read anything on the tv
[19:25] <NTolerance> anyone get red-colored "failed" lirc startup messages in the terminal when the system boots?  I notice them when i go to shutdown, my remote works fine, it's just odd
[19:25] <balz> so once i'm out of the myth frontend it's all unreadable
[19:26] <balz> NTolerance:  i get those and lirc works just fine
[19:26] <sabhain> NTolerance: all the time on almost all my front ends .. it's a big splinter in my a$$ ..
[19:26] <NTolerance> dmesg looks ok too
[19:26] <NTolerance> that red thing just bothers me :P
[19:26] <balz> NTolerance:  punch it =)
[19:26] <sabhain> balz, just do a restart then ..
[19:26] <balz> sabhain okay
[19:27] <NTolerance> i want to punch it when my VGA card turns off the signal to my HDTV
[19:27] <balz> rebooting....
[19:27]  * sabhain thinks that lirc is in general pretty unstable .. & he REALLY loves it when a standard update overwrites his config files without asking for confirmation.
[19:28] <NTolerance> gotta love that, my rsync home backups keep me sane though
[19:28] <NTolerance> my lirc is heavily customized too, i don't ilke the defaults
[19:28] <balz> yeah i should look into that... i'm definitely not trying to have to deal with this again
[19:28] <sabhain> I learned after 2 times (perhaps I'm not smart) .. to rename the config files .. but it still swaps out the main ones ..
[19:28] <balz> sabhain:  restarted
[19:28] <sabhain> balz .. any change?
[19:28] <NTolerance> i always keep copies of any configs in the same directories as the original files, like lirc.conf.bak
[19:29] <superm1> sabhain, to work around that behavior, choose the "Custom" remote option in lirc
[19:29] <balz> sabhain:  negative
[19:29] <superm1> it won't overwrite configs at all when custom is selected
[19:29] <NTolerance> superm1: thx for answering my questions about that dell lappytop
[19:29] <sabhain> superml .. thanks for the tip .. this is in /lircd.conf?
[19:29] <superm1> sabhain, backup your (current) config and then run dpkg-reconfigure lirc
[19:30] <superm1> NTolerance, noprob
[19:30] <sabhain> superml .. thanks .. I'll give that a shot.
[19:30] <NTolerance> are you guys talking about the file in ~/.lirc
[19:30] <superm1> sabhain, the bug is an ugly one because you cant have automated configuration tools handle things unless its done this way
[19:30] <superm1> but i agree it's a bug still
[19:30] <superm1> NTolerance, no its /etc/lirc/lircd.conf that gets overwritten on lirc updates
[19:30] <superm1> or upgrades
[19:30] <NTolerance> ah
[19:31] <superm1> so if you haven't customized it, it's not a problem
[19:31] <NTolerance> i have noticed that some updates prompt for config file changes when you run update-manager
[19:31] <superm1> but if you have, you seem to lose customizations
[19:31] <balz> sabhain:  channels still aren't changing
[19:31] <superm1> NTolerance, yeah this one i don't know if it actually prompts
[19:31] <superm1> it should.
[19:31] <sabhain> in the 6 months since I've done a full house mthtv deployment (high WAF) .. lirc has been the only source of discontent and frustration ...
[19:31] <sabhain> balz .. not on the keyboard either?
[19:32] <balz> aah good point. let me try
[19:32] <balz> sabhain:  not on the keyboard either
[19:32] <SHADOW__X> how do i get the volume on a mce remote to control the volume on a fe
[19:33] <NTolerance> i really like how WAF is known mythtv acronym, no explanation needed :D
[19:33] <superm1> sabhain, ideally though, why do you need to customize the lircd.conf?
[19:33] <superm1> perhaps get it working out of the box is the better solution
[19:34] <NTolerance> anyone ever used an MCE keyboard on Hardy?
[19:34] <NTolerance> i have access to one but it doesn't appear to have much support
[19:34] <SHADOW__X> volume?
[19:35] <NTolerance> you talking about overall system volume, like alsamixer?
[19:35] <sabhain> superml, because in 3 different frontends, with different remotes, I've NEVER had luck getting the system to function the way I desire .. and so I configure everything custom .. to your point, I should be configuring downstream of that, so that particular file doesn't change .. but it's an old habit
[19:35] <NTolerance> and not volume of whatever you're running, say xine, mplayer, mythtv player?
[19:36] <SHADOW__X> NTolerance: right now when i am in mythtv frontend and i try and use the volume the volume bar comes up and it moves the audio volume doesn  change
[19:36] <sabhain> superml .. I meant to say that the out of the box remote configs never work for me ... dynamic mappings or otherwise .. I always have issues and have to chase them down myself.
[19:36] <NTolerance> you using analog or digital connections?
[19:36] <SHADOW__X> both
[19:36] <SHADOW__X> :)
[19:36] <SHADOW__X> what is this or you speak of
[19:36] <SHADOW__X> i am also using firewire
[19:36] <NTolerance> i have seen cases where software volume control has no effect on digital connections
[19:36] <balz> sabhain:  any idea what's wrong?
[19:36] <NTolerance> SPDIF, optical, etc...
[19:36] <NTolerance> HDMI maybe?
[19:37] <sabhain> I've also found that things perform better when the "REMOTE=" line in the hardware.conf file matches the remote line in the .lircrc  .. but in the default setups it never does
[19:37] <SHADOW__X> so i guess total volume would be nice
[19:37] <SHADOW__X> i am using 2 digital tuners 1 analog and firewire
[19:37] <NTolerance> i'm referring to your audio connection from the PC To your speakers
[19:37] <sabhain> balz .. I think your keybindings are AFU .. can you use the remote to navigate to the setup / keybindings?
[19:38] <balz> sabhain;  i'm in the edit keys menu
[19:38] <sabhain> and verify what the bindings for channel up and channel down are
[19:38] <balz> you want the tv playback heading?
[19:38] <SHADOW__X> NTolerance: just regular stereo out
[19:38] <balz> sabhain:  that should be "up" and "down" right?
[19:38] <SHADOW__X> like pc speakers
[19:38] <NTolerance> so 1/8" jack ?
[19:38] <NTolerance> got it
[19:38] <SHADOW__X> yeah
[19:38] <sabhain> balz: it ought to be ..
[19:39] <balz> yeah that's what i have
[19:39] <NTolerance> i guess the volume does go down if you use alsamixer right?
[19:39] <SHADOW__X> i have that going to a stero to rca
[19:39] <SHADOW__X> hold on brb
[19:39] <sabhain> balz .. do the up and down arrows work in the menus of mythtv?
[19:39] <SHADOW__X> need to get power stupid laptop batteries
[19:39] <balz> sabhain:  yes
[19:40] <sabhain> SHADOW__X, I've had the problem that you mention ..
[19:40] <sabhain> balz, do ALL your other buttons work?  Pause, play, FFW, REW?
[19:41] <balz> sabhain:  yes, they do
[19:41] <superm1> sabhain, ah so what i'm saying is to track down the deltas in the dynamic config to your favored config.  such things can be adjusted so the dynamic config makes more sense
[19:41] <superm1> eg so like for ubuntu 8.10, if you did a fresh install, your current config would be a lot closer to whta the dynamic one spits out
[19:43] <sabhain> superml .. I guess I don't follow completely .. is there a thread on this where I can better understand the dynamic mappings process, because it would be nice to get it working once, and leave it alone even during the upgrades.
[19:43] <superm1> sabhain, well i'm the one that packages lirc
[19:44] <superm1> hence why i'm well aware of  the overwriting config bug, just dont have a good solution yet
[19:44] <sabhain> balz, I'd change the channel up and down bindings to something else just to try  .. say a & z? then restart mythtv and check the behavior using the keyboard
[19:44] <superm1> sabhain, but i'm saying that we can try to get the out of the box dynamic config to match your preferred config, or at least get closer to it, then that would be a step in the right direction
[19:44] <superm1> sabhain, but i'll try to give you an overview of how th lirc dynamic config process works;
[19:45] <balz> sabhain:  i've tried changing them to Pgup and Pgdown before... that didn't really work.  should i still try it again/
[19:45] <superm1> sabhain, so first off when you install mythbuntu or just lirc, you are presented w/ a remotes and transmitters list.  there is a hardware database that is shipped with lirc that matches the remote you select to a lircd.conf, driver, etc
[19:45] <superm1> so it writes out the selections it made to /etc/lirc/hardware.conf
[19:45] <balz> Sabhain:  which file would i be changing that in, anyway?
[19:46] <sabhain> superml .. understood .. btw, I don't mean to criticize LIRC entirely .. you guys are doing a great job .. it's notable in that it's really the only piece I've had to futz with.
[19:46] <superm1> sabhain, the lircd.conf is then added as an "include" line in /etc/lirc/lircd.conf
[19:46] <sabhain> balz .. change the keybindings in the front end .. not in a file ..
[19:46] <superm1> sabhain, so if you have a great config, you could even just keep it somewhere else, and mark it as an include in /etc/lirc/lircd.conf
[19:46] <superm1> it would never get damaged in overwrites
[19:47] <balz> sabhain:  so change it to a completely different button?
[19:47] <superm1> but ideally, the config that is included out of the box should match what you are looking for here
[19:47] <superm1> as for the dynamic lircrc button mappings, that's a separate step, the main lircd.conf problem needs to be fixed first
[19:47] <sabhain> balz .. think "keys"  .. you're changing the keyboard key press to initiate channel changes .. put the remote away for a few minutes .. in the setup / keys ... tweak it there first
[19:48] <balz> sabhain.  i see. okay
[19:49] <sabhain> superml .. very helpful.  Can you verify that the "REMOTE=" line in the hardware.conf needs to match what you have on each remote= line in the .lircrc?
[19:50] <sabhain> that was something that with a snapstream RF remote (which on it's own merits sucks) I needed to sync before anything worked.  Once those 2 items matched, I was off and running.
[19:51] <superm1> sabhain, actually that isn't the case at all w/ REMOTE line matching
[19:51] <superm1> that's only for pairing the lircd.conf
[19:51] <sabhain> but my observation is that the packaged database doesn't match these up .. in the hardware.conf, the REMOTE= line is a descriptive title, whereas in the .lircrc .. it's the module
[19:51] <superm1> you need  the remote line in the lircd.conf however to match stuff in the lircrc
[19:52] <superm1> i think there is a bug about that snapstream remote actually
[19:52] <superm1> does it use the atiusb driver?
[19:52] <sabhain> perhaps it was a coincidence then for me, and a change to sync the lircd.conf fixed it.
[19:52] <balz> sabhain:  i can't find any keys that don't conflict
[19:53] <superm1> sabhain, eg this bug: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lirc/+bug/240537
[19:54] <SHADOW__X> NTolerance: so what shall i do
[19:56] <balz> sabhain:  nvm.  i used pgup and pgdown... now what?
[19:57] <sabhain> try those keys on the keyboard
[19:57] <balz> sabhain:  doesn't work
[19:58] <sabhain> ok .. put those bindings back to original
[19:59] <balz> okay they're back
[20:00] <balz> *hoping my hardware isn't defective...
[20:00] <sabhain> pvr 150?
[20:00] <balz> sabhain:  yes.  i just plugged the cable straight in the back of it
[20:05] <balz> sabhain:  so back to square one?
[20:07] <balz> i'm going to take a break.  thanks for all the help, sabhain
[20:10] <sabhain> balz .. youre welcome .. I don't think you have any remote issues ... I think it may be tuner issue instead.  The fact that the keyboard doesn't change 'em tells me it may be a tuner problem
[20:10] <sabhain> are you able to change channels in the guide?
[20:14] <NTolerance> Shadow__X: hmm, if alsamixer works i suppose you could do a crude hack that would use irexec to send alsamixer commands
[20:14] <NTolerance> but that would be pretty messy
[20:14] <Shadow__X> hmm
[20:14] <Shadow__X> well isnt mce remote supposed to control audio?
[20:14] <NTolerance> yeah, it should
[20:15] <Shadow__X> hmm how do i figure out what its controlling them
[20:15] <Shadow__X> then*
[20:16] <NTolerance> you tried going into mythtv set -> general -> audio?
[20:16] <NTolerance> there's supposedly a "mixer control" setting there
[20:16] <NTolerance> maybe mythtv isn't manipulating the correct control in alsa
[20:17] <NTolerance> i'd maybe run alsamixer, and hit the volume buttons on the remote to see if one of the sliders moves as you do it
[20:18] <Shadow__X> audio output device currently is alsa default
[20:18] <Shadow__X> and the passthrough output device is default
[20:18] <NTolerance> what other options do you have?
[20:18] <Shadow__X> and use internale volume control is checked
[20:18] <Shadow__X> other option for what
[20:18] <NTolerance> audio output device
[20:22] <NTolerance> check the drop-down for audio output device and see what else is there
[20:22] <NTolerance> also try unchecking internal volume control to see if that has any effect
[20:22] <NTolerance> put the settings back if they don't give the effect you want
[20:23] <Shadow__X> yeah i am looking
[20:23] <Shadow__X> i changed audio output to alsa analog
[20:23] <Shadow__X> that didnt work
[20:23] <Shadow__X> niether did mixed analog
[20:23] <NTolerance> put the settings back to default
[20:23] <Shadow__X> and i also changed passthrough output device that didnt help
[20:24] <NTolerance> then
[20:24] <NTolerance> fire up a recording, press the volume buttons while you watch alsamixer
[20:24] <NTolerance> see if one of the mixers goes up/down as you hit the button
[20:25] <Shadow__X> how do i still look at alsa mixer
[20:26] <NTolerance> SSH would do it
[20:26] <NTolerance> got another PC handy?
[20:27] <Shadow__X> yeah i am on another pc
[20:27] <NTolerance> you can run alsamixer in ssh
[20:27] <Shadow__X> ok
[20:28] <NTolerance> what i'm getting at here is that sometimes mythtv is controlling the wrong slider in alsamixer, therefore having no effect on the actual volume
[20:28] <NTolerance> seems to be a common issue on the mailing lists
[20:28] <Shadow__X> actually i got it
[20:28] <Shadow__X> thanks man
[20:29] <Shadow__X> thanks NTolerance
[20:29] <NTolerance> what was it?
[20:29] <Shadow__X> what i did was change the mixer to alsa default and set the control to pcm
[20:29] <NTolerance> :D
[20:29] <Shadow__X> becxause without pcm there is no audio
[20:29] <NTolerance> i'll get you back when i get my HVR-1800
[20:29] <Shadow__X> simpler than what i though
[20:29] <Shadow__X> hmm
[20:29] <Shadow__X> i have one
[20:29] <Shadow__X> digital is great
[20:29] <NTolerance> right, you're my tech support for that
[20:29] <Shadow__X> analog works in linux................
[20:29] <Shadow__X> no in mythtv though
[20:30] <Shadow__X> not with my experience anyway
[20:30] <Shadow__X> thats why i bought a hvr 1600 :)
[20:30] <Shadow__X> analog to hold me over
[20:30] <NTolerance> yeah, i need PCI-E though
[20:30] <Shadow__X> ah
[20:30] <Shadow__X> ok
[20:30] <Shadow__X> i think we had this talk
[20:30] <Shadow__X> you have a pvr 150 right
[20:31] <NTolerance> yeah
[20:31] <Shadow__X> buy the 1600 and replace the pvr 150
[20:31] <Shadow__X> :D
[20:31] <NTolerance> i suppose i can tell the HVR-1800 to only tune the digital channels
[20:31] <Shadow__X> and ill even buy the 150 off of ya
[20:31] <Shadow__X> yes you can
[20:31] <NTolerance> and then i would hope that mythtv would only allow my MCE-150 to be available for the analogs
[20:31] <NTolerance> on top of that, i suppose i could remove the digital channels from the MCE-150
[20:31] <Shadow__X> you set it up as a dvb device and a analog device
[20:32] <Shadow__X> NTolerance, mythtv is pretty intelligent with that
[20:32] <NTolerance> sweet
[20:32] <Shadow__X> with digital you can record  the multiplexes
[20:32] <Shadow__X> i have 3 diff sources
[20:32] <NTolerance> which is still a bit confusing to me
[20:32] <Shadow__X> analog qam and tv box
[20:33] <Shadow__X> NTolerance, thats ok because mythtv will be smart enough to record something on the same tuner if its on the same multiplex
[20:33] <Shadow__X> :D
[20:33] <NTolerance> i'm still leaning towards the HVR-1250 because i don't care about recording multiple things at once and i can use the MCE150 for analog stuff
[20:33] <NTolerance> basically just use MCE150 for analog, HVR-1250 for digital
[20:33] <Shadow__X> well the beneft of the 1800 would be
[20:33] <Shadow__X> whenever analog works
[20:34] <Shadow__X> youll have box
[20:34] <Shadow__X> and you will only be taking one slot
[20:34] <NTolerance> yeah, it would free up a slot
[20:34] <Shadow__X> right
[20:34] <Shadow__X> i mean you could do what i did
[20:34] <NTolerance> less coax to run to the mythbox
[20:34] <Shadow__X> i have a 1800 and a 1600 currently
[20:34] <Shadow__X> :D
[20:35] <Shadow__X> when the 2250 is supported i am gonna get that
[20:35] <Shadow__X> 2 analog tuners 2 qam tuners
[20:35] <Shadow__X> one card
[20:36] <NTolerance> sounds expensive
[20:36] <Shadow__X> only 150
[20:36] <Shadow__X> to be honest thats cheap to me
[20:37] <Shadow__X> for what your getting
[20:37] <Shadow__X> its 2 1800s
[20:37] <Shadow__X> individually is 200
[20:37] <Shadow__X> saving 50 bucks and a slot
[20:38] <Shadow__X> so NTolerance  the idea of it is that with qam lets say usa fx and mtv or 106.1 106.2 106.3 respectfully
[20:38] <Shadow__X> if you want to record usa fx and mtv at the same time
[20:38] <Shadow__X> mythtv will know
[20:38] <Shadow__X> and record all of em using one tuner
[20:41] <Shadow__X> get it
[20:41] <Shadow__X> ?
[20:48] <NTolerance> what's stopping you from recording all digital channels at once?
[20:50] <Shadow__X> you cant
[20:50] <Shadow__X> lol
[20:50] <Shadow__X> unless you can tune all of them
[20:50] <Shadow__X> you can record all channels on the same multiplex
[20:50] <Shadow__X> like 106.1 106.10
[20:50] <Shadow__X> but not 106.1 and 105.1
[20:51] <NTolerance> ah
[20:51] <NTolerance> so you can record all the 106s at once
[20:51] <Shadow__X> yup
[20:51] <NTolerance> but not the 105s if you're recording the 106s
[20:51] <NTolerance> now it makes sense
[20:51] <Shadow__X> yeah
[20:51] <Shadow__X> i have mine set to record upto 5
[20:51] <Shadow__X> thats the limit thats in mythbackend
[20:51] <Shadow__X> i am sure you could change that
[20:51] <Shadow__X> but i am sure thats there for a reason
[20:51] <balz> sabhain:  hey again
[20:52] <Shadow__X> anyway with the ability to record upto 5 channels on each digital tuner and me having 2 thats 10 channels
[20:52] <Shadow__X> i havnt done that
[20:52] <balz> When watching livetv i cannot change channels with either the remote or the keyboard.  I'm not sure where to even start... any help?
[20:52] <Shadow__X> i have recorded like 4 at the same time
[20:52] <Shadow__X> can you watch recordings on it
[21:08] <Maxflax> I have an twinhan 3030 DVB-t card which I can't get to work? anyone know how to?
[21:11] <Shadow__X> check linuxtv.org
[21:11] <Shadow__X> check their wiki
[21:12] <Maxflax> Shadow_X - I've checked it... don't help much.. thats why I asking here if anyone has one and has it working
[21:13] <Shadow__X> ah well cards that are supported are mostly documented there
[21:13] <Shadow__X> does it have any info there
[21:16] <Maxflax> not about that card
[21:16] <Shadow__X> hmm i dont know
[21:16] <Maxflax> I know that some guy Manu was working on something with those cards
[21:17] <Shadow__X> hmm well does it say some twinham cards are supported
[21:18] <Maxflax> jupp
[21:18] <Maxflax> Twinhan even does have linux drivers for the card.. but only fedora
[21:18] <Shadow__X> hmm
[21:18] <Shadow__X> are they rpm
[21:18] <Shadow__X> ?
[21:19] <Maxflax> tried compiling those with no luck
[21:19] <Maxflax> it's source code
[21:19] <Shadow__X> hmm what compiling issues are you having
[21:19] <Maxflax> I use debian system
[21:20] <Shadow__X> hmm
[21:20] <Shadow__X> what is it saying
[21:21] <Shadow__X> you might be missing dependencies
[21:21] <Maxflax> nope, dl all deps..
[22:14] <dupondje> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mythtv/+bug/235902
[22:14] <dupondje> any id ? :s
[22:20] <laga> no, unfortunately not
[22:20] <laga> there's also a bug report about that in the mythtv bug tracker
[22:21] <dupondje> where ? :D
[22:22] <laga> go look for it yourself
[22:53] <sabhain> Shadow__X .. your sound problem .. solved?
[22:56] <Shadow__X> the volume controls sabhain ?
[22:56] <Shadow__X> then yes
[22:57] <sabhain> ok .. good .. I saw you post a ? about 2 hours ago, and only now getting back in here .. I had that problem, but solved it .. was PCM / alsa mix issue for me
[22:58] <Shadow__X> yeah same
[22:58] <Shadow__X> i am glad that it works
[22:58] <sabhain> glad to hear you got it solved.
[22:59] <Shadow__X> thanks