| melat0nin | the wiki is very slow today | 10:16 |
|---|---|---|
| emunkki | it's always :P | 10:16 |
| melat0nin | :/ | 10:16 |
| vbabiy | newz2000: Hey | 17:08 |
| newz2000 | hey vbabiy! | 17:08 |
| emunkki | 17:08 | |
| vbabiy | newz2000: I got some free time on my hands coming up and I want to really get something going with the feature tour. Has anything changed since we last spoke | 17:09 |
| newz2000 | vbabiy: we've had good discussion with emunkki | 17:14 |
| newz2000 | he's good at design and concepting (and css) but he's also running out of time | 17:15 |
| newz2000 | before he gets busy | 17:15 |
| newz2000 | hey emunkki, around? | 17:15 |
| emunkki | sure | 17:15 |
| emunkki | ;) | 17:15 |
| newz2000 | hey, had any break throughs on the feature tour? | 17:15 |
| emunkki | not really | 17:15 |
| emunkki | i will be busy until monday i think | 17:16 |
| newz2000 | oh too bad | 17:16 |
| emunkki | i know :( | 17:16 |
| newz2000 | when does your school start? | 17:16 |
| emunkki | monday :P | 17:16 |
| emunkki | but really, i will be less busy then than now | 17:16 |
| vbabiy | yeah emunkki you going to busy | 17:16 |
| vbabiy | or not | 17:17 |
| vbabiy | :0 | 17:17 |
| vbabiy | :) | 17:17 |
| emunkki | i got three new clients yesterday | 17:17 |
| emunkki | (commercial) | 17:17 |
| newz2000 | I guess that's the good news | 17:17 |
| vbabiy | very cool | 17:17 |
| emunkki | well the good news is that i'm also a workaholic | 17:17 |
| newz2000 | although I don't know why you'd rather help those guys who pay you money when you could help us for free | 17:17 |
| vbabiy | lol | 17:17 |
| emunkki | yeah i've thought that myself ;) | 17:17 |
| * newz2000 is waiting for the wiki | 17:20 | |
| newz2000 | it's going very very slow today | 17:20 |
| newz2000 | maybe if I hit refresh a bunch of times it will go faster because it knows I'm in a rush | 17:20 |
| emunkki | lol | 17:20 |
| emunkki | maybe it will put you in the back of the queue | 17:20 |
| vbabiy | its been slow lately | 17:21 |
| newz2000 | vbabiy: how would you like to help on the feature tour? | 17:22 |
| vbabiy | what do mean? | 17:22 |
| newz2000 | I think it will be a multi-person job, I was just curious what part you feel you'd like to do? | 17:22 |
| vbabiy | really anything | 17:23 |
| vbabiy | Coding, Markup, Css | 17:24 |
| newz2000 | vbabiy: lets give emunkki a fighthing chance to get a design done (if he still wants to). Until there's a design there's not much coding to be done. | 17:28 |
| newz2000 | But I am definitely eager for you to contribute | 17:29 |
| vbabiy | newz2000: well I am still going to work on some design maybe I will get something good | 17:29 |
| emunkki | just throw in ideas, don't count on me if you're in hurry | 17:29 |
| newz2000 | emunkki: ok. | 17:29 |
| emunkki | i can still design something when i have time though, if you don't have any design ready for use | 17:30 |
| newz2000 | vbabiy: go for it... | 17:30 |
| newz2000 | emunkki: go for it | 17:30 |
| newz2000 | :-) | 17:30 |
| vbabiy | yeah, I think the more design we have the more option we have to use | 17:30 |
| newz2000 | sure | 17:30 |
| newz2000 | here are some tips... | 17:31 |
| newz2000 | don't feel like you have to copy ubuntu.com. It should be clear people are still on the ubuntu website but it doesn't have to be an exact match | 17:31 |
| newz2000 | also, go for "subdued" or "muted" styling elements. Less is more. | 17:31 |
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| Diptanu | Hi everyone | 21:38 |
| newz2000 | hi Diptanu! | 21:38 |
| Diptanu | I just got here | 21:38 |
| newz2000 | so I see ;-) | 21:38 |
| Diptanu | ya | 21:39 |
| newz2000 | Diptanu: what blog did you hear about this at? | 21:39 |
| Diptanu | Beerfruit | 21:39 |
| newz2000 | hah | 21:40 |
| Diptanu | ya | 21:40 |
| Diptanu | sorry. Bearfruit.org | 21:40 |
| newz2000 | that would be my blog then. :-) | 21:40 |
| Diptanu | I am a web developer...I have founded a startup of my own in India. | 21:40 |
| Diptanu | Wow | 21:40 |
| Diptanu | Thats great. | 21:40 |
| newz2000 | Where in Inidia are you Diptanu? | 21:40 |
| Diptanu | Bangalore | 21:41 |
| Diptanu | I read your blog everyday | 21:41 |
| newz2000 | Sorry, it hasn't changed a ton lately | 21:41 |
| newz2000 | so what part of web development is your speciality? | 21:41 |
| Diptanu | Its alright. I like your thoughts | 21:41 |
| Diptanu | especially the photoshop one | 21:41 |
| Diptanu | I like using swig | 21:42 |
| Diptanu | for serverside scripting | 21:42 |
| newz2000 | The only swig I've heard of is the thing that lets you use C code in python or ruby | 21:42 |
| Diptanu | You know. write good and fast c code and bind it with python..and stuff... | 21:42 |
| newz2000 | gotcha | 21:42 |
| Diptanu | Ya ur right | 21:42 |
| newz2000 | very interesting, I've not heard of it used in web development really | 21:43 |
| Diptanu | And on frontend I am alike a regular web developer | 21:43 |
| Diptanu | Ya.. | 21:43 |
| Diptanu | Actually i started using it accidentally | 21:43 |
| newz2000 | do you have a website? | 21:44 |
| Diptanu | I had to write a module which was supposed to work as a daemon | 21:44 |
| Diptanu | Ya...my site is http://lifeoz.com | 21:44 |
| Diptanu | So u were talking about some problems with this ubuntu website. | 21:45 |
| newz2000 | the navigation syndication? | 21:45 |
| Diptanu | ya | 21:45 |
| newz2000 | did you have an idea? | 21:46 |
| Diptanu | not really.. | 21:46 |
| Diptanu | just did some random thinking.. | 21:46 |
| Diptanu | Do you work with open source full time? | 21:47 |
| newz2000 | yes, I work for Canonical as the ubuntu.com web master | 21:48 |
| Diptanu | I see..Great | 21:48 |
| newz2000 | Some people here have suggested I rethink the navigation entirely | 21:48 |
| Diptanu | ok... | 21:48 |
| newz2000 | so I recently installed some tracking code to see how people use the navigation... what they click on, what they don't | 21:48 |
| newz2000 | and as it turns out, people rarely click on the top navigation | 21:48 |
| Diptanu | I see | 21:49 |
| newz2000 | getting rid of that may make life much easier and take away the need to syndicate it | 21:49 |
| Diptanu_ | Sorry i got disconnected | 21:50 |
| newz2000 | the last thing said after you said, "I see" was: newz2000: getting rid of that may make life much easier and take away the need to syndicate it | 21:51 |
| Diptanu_ | ok | 21:51 |
| newz2000 | Diptanu_: so are you up very early or are you up very late? | 21:52 |
| Diptanu_ | I am up very late | 21:52 |
| newz2000 | I've got a friend in Pune who I keep in touch with... I never hear from him at this time of day. | 21:52 |
| Diptanu_ | He must be sleeping by now | 21:53 |
| Diptanu_ | :-) | 21:53 |
| Diptanu_ | Actually you see.. | 21:53 |
| Diptanu_ | I am trying to look into the spidermonkey code...And i am finding it very interesting | 21:53 |
| Diptanu_ | So..i was going to ask you | 21:53 |
| Diptanu_ | How do people navigate thorugh the site then | 21:54 |
| Diptanu_ | I mean majority | 21:54 |
| newz2000 | they use the navigation on the left | 21:54 |
| Diptanu_ | ok | 21:54 |
| newz2000 | I actually only track three things, top, left and footer | 21:54 |
| Diptanu_ | i see | 21:54 |
| newz2000 | 13% use left, 2% top and 0.0% use footer | 21:54 |
| Diptanu_ | interesting | 21:55 |
| Diptanu_ | i am not surprised with the footer stat though | 21:55 |
| newz2000 | yeah, me either | 21:55 |
| Diptanu_ | I thought top should hav been more | 21:55 |
| newz2000 | I think it will take a lot of people by surprise. | 21:55 |
| Diptanu_ | Ya true. | 21:56 |
| newz2000 | I believe next month I will go to a meeting with some of the people in the company about the website to plan a redesign later this year | 21:56 |
| newz2000 | they all feel strongly about this top portion | 21:56 |
| newz2000 | and I think this stat will blow their mind | 21:57 |
| newz2000 | Diptanu_: regarding spidermonkey, have you see this: http://www.aptana.com/jaxer/ ? | 21:57 |
| newz2000 | it's like php or rails but its done in javascript, so you can run js on the client and the server | 21:58 |
| newz2000 | I don't know if it uses spidermonkey or rhino or something else though | 21:58 |
| Dip | Sorry the line keeps getting disconnected | 22:01 |
| newz2000 | Dip what was the last you heard? | 22:01 |
| Dip | The stat would blow the minds of many | 22:01 |
| Dip | I was involved with the LUG of my college | 22:02 |
| Dip | during undergrad | 22:02 |
| newz2000 | newz2000: Diptanu_: regarding spidermonkey, have you see this: http://www.aptana.com/jaxer/ ? | 22:02 |
| newz2000 | newz2000: it's like php or rails but its done in javascript, so you can run js on the client and the server | 22:02 |
| newz2000 | newz2000: I don't know if it uses spidermonkey or rhino or something else though | 22:02 |
| Dip | Ya | 22:02 |
| newz2000 | its one of those things on my list to check out one day | 22:03 |
| Dip | I had read about it | 22:03 |
| Dip | And i thought about giving it a shot | 22:03 |
| Dip | I feel it should use some kind of scripting using the JSR 223 or so, like rhino | 22:04 |
| Dip | Thats the best way of running JS on server. Phoboes does the same | 22:04 |
| Dip | Do u use APtana | 22:05 |
| Dip | ? | 22:05 |
| newz2000 | Not any more, used to | 22:05 |
| Dip | ok | 22:05 |
| newz2000 | I'm still looking for the perfect tool | 22:05 |
| Dip | Netbeans has come with good JS support of late. But its still solw | 22:05 |
| Dip | slow | 22:05 |
| Dip | same with me :) | 22:06 |
| newz2000 | I just downloaded the beta of 6.5 | 22:06 |
| Dip | ok | 22:06 |
| newz2000 | about 10m ago | 22:06 |
| Dip | i did the same in morning | 22:06 |
| Dip | with the php support | 22:06 |
| Dip | Have u been to india? | 22:06 |
| newz2000 | my complaint with 6.1 was that to do a js project you have to create a whole project with some server side language like java. You can't just create an folder of html pages. | 22:06 |
| newz2000 | Dip: no, never been to Asia at all | 22:06 |
| newz2000 | I wanted to go to my friends wedding a few years ago in New Dehli | 22:07 |
| newz2000 | too $$$ at the time though | 22:07 |
| Dip | I see.. | 22:07 |
| newz2000 | have you been to the US? | 22:07 |
| Dip | New Delhi is a lively place | 22:07 |
| Dip | No. | 22:07 |
| Dip | Next year i will visit Montreal, canada | 22:08 |
| Dip | I will be presenting a tutorial at Gecco | 22:08 |
| newz2000 | Gecco? | 22:08 |
| Dip | genetic and evolutionary computation conference | 22:09 |
| newz2000 | what will you present? (if you're allowed to say) | 22:09 |
| Dip | I did some work with particle swarm optimization... | 22:09 |
| Dip | during my undergrad | 22:09 |
| Dip | I made a toolbox for using that algorithm | 22:10 |
| Dip | I will present that | 22:10 |
| Dip | So what else is coming up with Ubuntu? | 22:11 |
| newz2000 | 8.10 in October | 22:11 |
| Dip | ok | 22:11 |
| Dip | Coming back to that left navigation panel | 22:12 |
| Dip | Why dont u do a dynamic menus | 22:12 |
| Dip | users may just want to see what is there. Might not go to that particular page | 22:13 |
| newz2000 | what do you mean by dynamic menus? | 22:13 |
| Dip | Like when the user hover over a menu item. | 22:14 |
| Dip | The sub menus should show up.. | 22:15 |
| Dip | Kinda like an accordion | 22:15 |
| newz2000 | I feel they tend to hurt usability, also they tend to surprise users. | 22:15 |
| newz2000 | A lot of people don't realize we have those now on the top menu | 22:15 |
| Dip | ya. | 22:16 |
| Dip | May be its a way too top.. | 22:17 |
| Dip | The left pane is way too visible and catchy | 22:17 |
| Dip | What do u guys use in the backend | 22:20 |
| newz2000 | We use drupal, a php based cms | 22:20 |
| Dip | ok | 22:21 |
| Dip | I could not ease myself with cms like joomla and drupal. | 22:22 |
| Dip | Does they really help? | 22:22 |
| newz2000 | they can. We have quite a few people who update the website that don't know HTML and that type of stuff | 22:23 |
| newz2000 | I think it helps them | 22:23 |
| Dip | I see | 22:23 |
| Dip | That is a viable use case. You are right | 22:23 |
| Dip | So have u fired up ur netbeans? | 22:26 |
| nand | hmm, were you aware the ubuntu theme used in ubuntu.com is not rendering correctly on IE6? | 23:00 |
| * nand has a hard time making brainstorm looks at least decent on IE... | 23:00 | |
| * nand slaps IE | 23:02 | |
| newz2000 | nand: yes, I'm so sorry | 23:12 |
| newz2000 | are you basing your theme of ubuntu07? | 23:12 |
| newz2000 | ubuntu07 has more bugs than... something with a lot of bugs | 23:12 |
| newz2000 | canonical07 is better | 23:12 |
| newz2000 | if you don't mind a fixed-width theme, ubuntu08 is the best | 23:13 |
| newz2000 | ubuntu08 can be seen at shipit.ubuntu.com | 23:13 |
| nand | hmm, it's based on the theme that was used on the QA sites. there is a canonical trademark so I guess its cano07 | 23:13 |
| newz2000 | and what problem are you having with ie6? | 23:14 |
| newz2000 | the only one I know of is the white line down the rhs | 23:14 |
| nand | newz2000: well, the border of the theme on the left and right goes crazy | 23:14 |
| nand | let me show you... | 23:14 |
| nand | urg, IE6 crashed again | 23:16 |
| nand | reinstalling | 23:16 |
| newz2000 | that's ok | 23:16 |
| * nand is feeling nostalgic :) | 23:16 | |
| newz2000 | I don't think I need to see it to feel your pain | 23:16 |
| newz2000 | nand: are you working on the theme for brainstorm? | 23:16 |
| melat0nin | i can take a screenshot in ies4linux if you want | 23:17 |
| nand | and basicall ATM, my problem is that the theme on brainstorm.... show a blank page :) | 23:17 |
| newz2000 | oh | 23:17 |
| nand | I mean, the devel version: http://devel.ideatorrent.org | 23:17 |
| newz2000 | I remember that prob... we fixed it long ago I thought | 23:17 |
| nand | do you remember what was it about? | 23:17 |
| newz2000 | no, I can't think of it at the moment | 23:19 |
| newz2000 | can you duplicate it on ubuntu.com? | 23:19 |
| nand | http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/3685/ubuntucomyl9.png => shipit.ubuntu.com | 23:19 |
| nand | here again, the left and right go crazy... that's the other problem I'm facing | 23:19 |
| newz2000 | that's not shipit, that's ubuntu.com | 23:20 |
| nand | oh yeah | 23:20 |
| newz2000 | that's the problem I know about, though worse than when I saw it previously | 23:20 |
| newz2000 | nand: grab the css from the current ubuntu.com site and try using it | 23:21 |
| newz2000 | I'll bet something has changed and it didn't make it to the theme on launchpad | 23:21 |
| nand | ok, trying | 23:21 |
| newz2000 | maybe do a diff between them | 23:21 |
| newz2000 | I've got to finish up some graphics before the end of my day, so I'm not going to be able to help much | 23:21 |
| newz2000 | first "des moines web geeks" meeting is tonight. ;-) | 23:22 |
| nand | newz2000: thanks a lot, anyway time bed for me, but I'll have to handle that soonish anyway. | 23:24 |
| newz2000 | ok, if you're ok with fixed width, ping me and I'll get you ubuntu08 | 23:24 |
| nand | newz2000: do you have a non-fixed version of it? :) | 23:25 |
| nand | working perfectly on IE | 23:25 |
| newz2000 | no, sorry, though canonical.com's theme is better and nearly identical | 23:25 |
| newz2000 | it has the "short page" problem though where rhs gets cut off on short pages | 23:25 |
| newz2000 | just need a min-height for that though | 23:26 |
| Volans | newz2000: Hi :) the same short page problem that was on the fridge? | 23:26 |
| newz2000 | similar | 23:26 |
| nand | good night all! | 23:26 |
| Volans | ah, if you need nand I can help for the IE6 min-heignt problem | 23:27 |
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