[10:16] the wiki is very slow today [10:16] it's always :P [10:16] :/ [17:08] newz2000: Hey [17:08] hey vbabiy! [17:08] [17:09] newz2000: I got some free time on my hands coming up and I want to really get something going with the feature tour. Has anything changed since we last spoke [17:14] vbabiy: we've had good discussion with emunkki [17:15] he's good at design and concepting (and css) but he's also running out of time [17:15] before he gets busy [17:15] hey emunkki, around? [17:15] sure [17:15] ;) [17:15] hey, had any break throughs on the feature tour? [17:15] not really [17:16] i will be busy until monday i think [17:16] oh too bad [17:16] i know :( [17:16] when does your school start? [17:16] monday :P [17:16] but really, i will be less busy then than now [17:16] yeah emunkki you going to busy [17:17] or not [17:17] :0 [17:17] :) [17:17] i got three new clients yesterday [17:17] (commercial) [17:17] I guess that's the good news [17:17] very cool [17:17] well the good news is that i'm also a workaholic [17:17] although I don't know why you'd rather help those guys who pay you money when you could help us for free [17:17] lol [17:17] yeah i've thought that myself ;) [17:20] * newz2000 is waiting for the wiki [17:20] it's going very very slow today [17:20] maybe if I hit refresh a bunch of times it will go faster because it knows I'm in a rush [17:20] lol [17:20] maybe it will put you in the back of the queue [17:21] its been slow lately [17:22] vbabiy: how would you like to help on the feature tour? [17:22] what do mean? [17:22] I think it will be a multi-person job, I was just curious what part you feel you'd like to do? [17:23] really anything [17:24] Coding, Markup, Css [17:28] vbabiy: lets give emunkki a fighthing chance to get a design done (if he still wants to). Until there's a design there's not much coding to be done. [17:29] But I am definitely eager for you to contribute [17:29] newz2000: well I am still going to work on some design maybe I will get something good [17:29] just throw in ideas, don't count on me if you're in hurry [17:29] emunkki: ok. [17:30] i can still design something when i have time though, if you don't have any design ready for use [17:30] vbabiy: go for it... [17:30] emunkki: go for it [17:30] :-) [17:30] yeah, I think the more design we have the more option we have to use [17:30] sure [17:31] here are some tips... [17:31] don't feel like you have to copy ubuntu.com. It should be clear people are still on the ubuntu website but it doesn't have to be an exact match [17:31] also, go for "subdued" or "muted" styling elements. Less is more. === ubot3_ is now known as ubot3 [21:38] Hi everyone [21:38] hi Diptanu! [21:38] I just got here [21:38] so I see ;-) [21:39] ya [21:39] Diptanu: what blog did you hear about this at? [21:39] Beerfruit [21:40] hah [21:40] ya [21:40] sorry. Bearfruit.org [21:40] that would be my blog then. :-) [21:40] I am a web developer...I have founded a startup of my own in India. [21:40] Wow [21:40] Thats great. [21:40] Where in Inidia are you Diptanu? [21:41] Bangalore [21:41] I read your blog everyday [21:41] Sorry, it hasn't changed a ton lately [21:41] so what part of web development is your speciality? [21:41] Its alright. I like your thoughts [21:41] especially the photoshop one [21:42] I like using swig [21:42] for serverside scripting [21:42] The only swig I've heard of is the thing that lets you use C code in python or ruby [21:42] You know. write good and fast c code and bind it with python..and stuff... [21:42] gotcha [21:42] Ya ur right [21:43] very interesting, I've not heard of it used in web development really [21:43] And on frontend I am alike a regular web developer [21:43] Ya.. [21:43] Actually i started using it accidentally [21:44] do you have a website? [21:44] I had to write a module which was supposed to work as a daemon [21:44] Ya...my site is http://lifeoz.com [21:45] So u were talking about some problems with this ubuntu website. [21:45] the navigation syndication? [21:45] ya [21:46] did you have an idea? [21:46] not really.. [21:46] just did some random thinking.. [21:47] Do you work with open source full time? [21:48] yes, I work for Canonical as the ubuntu.com web master [21:48] I see..Great [21:48] Some people here have suggested I rethink the navigation entirely [21:48] ok... [21:48] so I recently installed some tracking code to see how people use the navigation... what they click on, what they don't [21:48] and as it turns out, people rarely click on the top navigation [21:49] I see [21:49] getting rid of that may make life much easier and take away the need to syndicate it [21:50] Sorry i got disconnected [21:51] the last thing said after you said, "I see" was: newz2000: getting rid of that may make life much easier and take away the need to syndicate it [21:51] ok [21:52] Diptanu_: so are you up very early or are you up very late? [21:52] I am up very late [21:52] I've got a friend in Pune who I keep in touch with... I never hear from him at this time of day. [21:53] He must be sleeping by now [21:53] :-) [21:53] Actually you see.. [21:53] I am trying to look into the spidermonkey code...And i am finding it very interesting [21:53] So..i was going to ask you [21:54] How do people navigate thorugh the site then [21:54] I mean majority [21:54] they use the navigation on the left [21:54] ok [21:54] I actually only track three things, top, left and footer [21:54] i see [21:54] 13% use left, 2% top and 0.0% use footer [21:55] interesting [21:55] i am not surprised with the footer stat though [21:55] yeah, me either [21:55] I thought top should hav been more [21:55] I think it will take a lot of people by surprise. [21:56] Ya true. [21:56] I believe next month I will go to a meeting with some of the people in the company about the website to plan a redesign later this year [21:56] they all feel strongly about this top portion [21:57] and I think this stat will blow their mind [21:57] Diptanu_: regarding spidermonkey, have you see this: http://www.aptana.com/jaxer/ ? [21:58] it's like php or rails but its done in javascript, so you can run js on the client and the server [21:58] I don't know if it uses spidermonkey or rhino or something else though [22:01] Sorry the line keeps getting disconnected [22:01] Dip what was the last you heard? [22:01] The stat would blow the minds of many [22:02] I was involved with the LUG of my college [22:02] during undergrad [22:02] newz2000: Diptanu_: regarding spidermonkey, have you see this: http://www.aptana.com/jaxer/ ? [22:02] newz2000: it's like php or rails but its done in javascript, so you can run js on the client and the server [22:02] newz2000: I don't know if it uses spidermonkey or rhino or something else though [22:02] Ya [22:03] its one of those things on my list to check out one day [22:03] I had read about it [22:03] And i thought about giving it a shot [22:04] I feel it should use some kind of scripting using the JSR 223 or so, like rhino [22:04] Thats the best way of running JS on server. Phoboes does the same [22:05] Do u use APtana [22:05] ? [22:05] Not any more, used to [22:05] ok [22:05] I'm still looking for the perfect tool [22:05] Netbeans has come with good JS support of late. But its still solw [22:05] slow [22:06] same with me :) [22:06] I just downloaded the beta of 6.5 [22:06] ok [22:06] about 10m ago [22:06] i did the same in morning [22:06] with the php support [22:06] Have u been to india? [22:06] my complaint with 6.1 was that to do a js project you have to create a whole project with some server side language like java. You can't just create an folder of html pages. [22:06] Dip: no, never been to Asia at all [22:07] I wanted to go to my friends wedding a few years ago in New Dehli [22:07] too $$$ at the time though [22:07] I see.. [22:07] have you been to the US? [22:07] New Delhi is a lively place [22:07] No. [22:08] Next year i will visit Montreal, canada [22:08] I will be presenting a tutorial at Gecco [22:08] Gecco? [22:09] genetic and evolutionary computation conference [22:09] what will you present? (if you're allowed to say) [22:09] I did some work with particle swarm optimization... [22:09] during my undergrad [22:10] I made a toolbox for using that algorithm [22:10] I will present that [22:11] So what else is coming up with Ubuntu? [22:11] 8.10 in October [22:11] ok [22:12] Coming back to that left navigation panel [22:12] Why dont u do a dynamic menus [22:13] users may just want to see what is there. Might not go to that particular page [22:13] what do you mean by dynamic menus? [22:14] Like when the user hover over a menu item. [22:15] The sub menus should show up.. [22:15] Kinda like an accordion [22:15] I feel they tend to hurt usability, also they tend to surprise users. [22:15] A lot of people don't realize we have those now on the top menu [22:16] ya. [22:17] May be its a way too top.. [22:17] The left pane is way too visible and catchy [22:20] What do u guys use in the backend [22:20] We use drupal, a php based cms [22:21] ok [22:22] I could not ease myself with cms like joomla and drupal. [22:22] Does they really help? [22:23] they can. We have quite a few people who update the website that don't know HTML and that type of stuff [22:23] I think it helps them [22:23] I see [22:23] That is a viable use case. You are right [22:26] So have u fired up ur netbeans? [23:00] hmm, were you aware the ubuntu theme used in ubuntu.com is not rendering correctly on IE6? [23:00] * nand has a hard time making brainstorm looks at least decent on IE... [23:02] * nand slaps IE [23:12] nand: yes, I'm so sorry [23:12] are you basing your theme of ubuntu07? [23:12] ubuntu07 has more bugs than... something with a lot of bugs [23:12] canonical07 is better [23:13] if you don't mind a fixed-width theme, ubuntu08 is the best [23:13] ubuntu08 can be seen at shipit.ubuntu.com [23:13] hmm, it's based on the theme that was used on the QA sites. there is a canonical trademark so I guess its cano07 [23:14] and what problem are you having with ie6? [23:14] the only one I know of is the white line down the rhs [23:14] newz2000: well, the border of the theme on the left and right goes crazy [23:14] let me show you... [23:16] urg, IE6 crashed again [23:16] reinstalling [23:16] that's ok [23:16] * nand is feeling nostalgic :) [23:16] I don't think I need to see it to feel your pain [23:16] nand: are you working on the theme for brainstorm? [23:17] i can take a screenshot in ies4linux if you want [23:17] and basicall ATM, my problem is that the theme on brainstorm.... show a blank page :) [23:17] oh [23:17] I mean, the devel version: http://devel.ideatorrent.org [23:17] I remember that prob... we fixed it long ago I thought [23:17] do you remember what was it about? [23:19] no, I can't think of it at the moment [23:19] can you duplicate it on ubuntu.com? [23:19] http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/3685/ubuntucomyl9.png => shipit.ubuntu.com [23:19] here again, the left and right go crazy... that's the other problem I'm facing [23:20] that's not shipit, that's ubuntu.com [23:20] oh yeah [23:20] that's the problem I know about, though worse than when I saw it previously [23:21] nand: grab the css from the current ubuntu.com site and try using it [23:21] I'll bet something has changed and it didn't make it to the theme on launchpad [23:21] ok, trying [23:21] maybe do a diff between them [23:21] I've got to finish up some graphics before the end of my day, so I'm not going to be able to help much [23:22] first "des moines web geeks" meeting is tonight. ;-) [23:24] newz2000: thanks a lot, anyway time bed for me, but I'll have to handle that soonish anyway. [23:24] ok, if you're ok with fixed width, ping me and I'll get you ubuntu08 [23:25] newz2000: do you have a non-fixed version of it? :) [23:25] working perfectly on IE [23:25] no, sorry, though canonical.com's theme is better and nearly identical [23:25] it has the "short page" problem though where rhs gets cut off on short pages [23:26] just need a min-height for that though [23:26] newz2000: Hi :) the same short page problem that was on the fridge? [23:26] similar [23:26] good night all! [23:27] ah, if you need nand I can help for the IE6 min-heignt problem