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nxvlkirkland: thank you00:01
nxvlsponsoring stuff is fun00:06
nxvl:D00:06
directhexso is guitar hero00:08
RAOFHm.  update-grub seems to have eaten my grub.cfg.  Yay.00:10
nxvlto sponsor a sync00:12
nxvli need to ACK it and suscribe ~ubuntu-archive, don't i?00:12
RAOFYup.00:12
Laneyand set it to confirmed00:12
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Laneyand unsubscribe u-u-s!00:13
nxvlLaney: that's the first thing i did00:13
RAOFAlways with the unsubscribing, yes.00:13
nxvl:D00:13
RAOF!!!00:21
RAOFWhere did /boot go?00:21
directhexsorry, i was hungry00:21
RAOFThis is probably why grub-probe is somewhat confused.00:22
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RAOFYou know, I should probably merge grub-pc if I'm gonna use it; it seems debian's newer snapshot is full of "please don't die" bugfixes.00:25
RAOFOh.  I think I know what ate my /boot.  Stupid parallel fsck!00:29
* wgrant spits out /boot's bones.00:29
RAOFNothing says "I love you" more than having a mount point not exist every now and then.00:30
james_wI have "intltool-update.in -> /usr/share/intltool/intltool-update.in" in a couple of packages, which fail to build in Intrepid as that file is not available, even in the intltool package, has anyone else seen this?00:42
james_wanyone know where they went?00:43
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RAOFjames_w: I believe that's a change in the new intltool.00:46
RAOFjames_w: I hit that packaging Do; I believe intltool would now like to be run as a part of ./configure00:47
directhexhow nice for it00:50
directhexisn't it a little bit late in the day for intrepid for intltool to break everyones' packages?00:50
james_wRAOF: thanks, do you know what I need to change?00:51
james_wit's ./configure where it bombs out00:52
emgentkirkland: your ecrypfs r0cks. i fixed my system problem00:52
emgentnow work very nice.00:52
kirklandemgent: thanks, dude.  what was your problem?00:52
RAOFjames_w: From memory, with Do I acually added the intltools stuff to configure.ac and re-autogen'd00:52
emgentkirkland: in the first step i dont put same password in login and ecryptfs, after that more problem (you know). i removed all an i start new clean setup. now work fine.00:54
kirklandemgent: very good...  i wonder if i should improve the documentation/prompts somehow?00:54
kirklandi wish there were an easy way for me to validate that password00:55
emgentkirkland: documentation is very good, you wrote (add same login system password), It was my mistake00:55
kirklandemgent: okay, thanks00:55
emgentkirkland: no thanks to you! :)00:55
emgentkirkland: do you have a launchpad branch for ecryptfs ?00:57
kirklandemgent: no, it's managed in git.kernel.org00:58
emgenti'm asking about tool00:58
emgentecryptfs-setup-private ecc..00:58
kirklandemgent: i have passed ALL of the code I've written to the upstream ecryptfs-utils project00:59
emgentokkay great! :)00:59
kirklandemgent: http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/mhalcrow/ecryptfs-utils.git;a=summary00:59
kirklandemgent: i send my patches to the mailing list, and Mike applies them01:00
emgenthttp://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/mhalcrow/ecryptfs-utils.git;a=blob;f=src/utils/ecryptfs-setup-private;h=1aa6bf56ca5f88a41be8bd68903166b87c63f337;hb=HEAD01:02
emgentyeah nice work, thanks kirkland !01:02
kirklandemgent: that's it :-)01:03
kirklandemgent: i think i'm going to add a check, if you've previously run ecryptfs-setup-private, and if so, error out, and tell you that you have to use a "-f" option to force it01:03
emgentnice i can remove flashusb for .ssh .gnupg .mozilla-thunderbird and .mozilla01:04
kirklandemgent: I also want to add a "--undo" option too01:04
emgentnow i can use this stuff.01:04
kirklandemgent: ;-)01:04
emgentvery good :)01:04
emgentargh we are in -motu.. i think that we can switch to -server01:05
emgentwe are OT.01:05
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emgentmoin05:33
dholbachgood morning06:09
stefanlsdmorning06:16
stefanlsdnhandler: just worked thru your lesson. thanks. was great!   (you explained the .patch files well. was missing that...)06:52
emgentmoin07:04
bhavi_emgent, howdy mate07:04
emgentbhavi_: moin07:05
tuxmaniacheya gang07:11
Hewcan someone from u-u-s look at the prboom sync request bug 23181107:41
ubottuLaunchpad bug 231811 in prboom "freedom is a dependancy for prboom... but shouldn't" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/23181107:41
LaneyHew: You should retitle the bug07:59
HewLaney: Thanks, will do08:00
LaneyPlease sync <package> <version> (<Ubuntu component>) from Debian <release> (<Debian component>)08:00
Hewdone08:06
HewI've gotta head off now so I'll check on it later. Thanks again.08:08
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coolbhavihello I m getting this error please help http://pastebin.com/f25de91012:47
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effie_jayxcoolbhavi, ./dhelp-0.6.12ubuntu1/debian/control at line 27: block lacks a package field <----12:58
effie_jayxdid you change debian/control and erased the package field?12:58
coolbhavieffie_jayx, no12:58
effie_jayxcoolbhavi,  did you change anything in debian control?12:59
persiaLooks to me like the upstream makefile doesn't have a clean rule.12:59
ograthat shouldnt really matter, can you pastebin your debian/control as well ?13:00
coolbhavieffie_jayx, yes a min please I ll paste it13:00
coolbhavieffie_jayx,  http://pastebin.com/d27eb5a04 <---- control file13:01
persiacoolbhavi: Remove the blank line 14.13:02
* persia thinks we'll see a different error now13:02
coolbhavia min please13:03
sebnerpersia: he hasn't answered yet (almanah) but on debian mentors is a new revision with my manpage in it :\13:05
persiasebner: Progress is being made.13:06
coolbhavipersia, you are a magician it worked!13:06
sebnerpersia: sure but this isn't the collaboration I want to see ;)13:07
persiayeah :/13:07
sebnerpersia: btw, nearly forgot to ask. any progress with qmasters?13:11
sebneruqm ^^13:11
persiasebner: Not at all.  Thanks for the poke.  I'll push the merge into Ubuntu, as Debian is frozen.13:12
sebnerpersia: kk :)13:12
sebnerpersia: wait, It needs an update to -8ubuntu113:13
persiasebner: Indeed it does.  Do you want to do that?13:14
sebnerpersia: sure ;)13:14
sebnerpersia: urgent?13:14
sebnerpersia: updated :), I'm off for now. Bad thunderstorm /here13:28
persiasebner: Thanks.  I've been organising my review queue today, and expect to push it.13:28
mok0Shouldn't intrepid be available to hardy's debootstrap?13:41
mok0... at least in backports13:42
jpdsmok0: It is as of 1.0.9~hardy1.13:45
mok0jpds: huh? I have 1.0.813:45
mok0jpds: ah, I thought I had backports enabled, bummer!13:46
jpdsmok0: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/hardy/+source/debootstrap/1.0.9~hardy113:46
mok0thx13:46
ScottKmok0: I saw you were trying to ping me yesterday.13:56
mok0ScottK: yes, thanks for looking at gamgi13:56
mok0ScottK: but please see my comment13:56
ScottKmok0: Link please?13:57
mok0ScottK: http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=gamgi13:57
ScottKLooking13:58
elkbunturight. is there any known bug where booting into a red flashing screen will cause your grub to turn into pastebin.ca/1172892 ?13:58
elkbuntuyes, it is the right pastebin13:59
ScottKmok0: I still thing it needs a man page.  I think every executable in /usr/bin is supposed to have one.13:59
mok0ScottK: But the user should not know about this13:59
ScottKmok0: What does Debian Policy say?14:00
mok0ScottK: the user will execute the program "gamgi"14:00
ScottKRight.  Once you read policy, the answer will be a short man page that says don't excute this.14:00
ScottKI could be wrong.14:00
mok0ScottK: It says that when a program needs environmental variables, a wrapper script should set them up14:00
mok0ScottK: So, for the convenience of the user, the wrapper script is called "gamgi" and the binary is called "gamgi.real"14:01
ScottKRight, what about the Policy about man pages?14:02
mok0ScottK: let me check that14:02
ScottKShould be policy 12.114:03
persiamok0: Note that you can probably get away with a single manpage for both, with a symlink.14:04
mok0I don't see anything concerning wrapper scritps14:04
mok0The environment thing is in 9.914:05
mok0persia: allright, but I think it's silly14:05
persiamok0: Well, some user might get clever :)14:05
mok0persia: heh. Well I see that there are no man pages for "uncompress.real"  or "ldconfig.real"14:07
persiamok0: Sure: not every package is policy compliant.14:07
mok0persia: You are right14:08
mok0... and there _is_ a manpage for uncompress.real, so that settles it14:08
mok0persia: otoh, using a link to the manpage is not good, because people should not run the ".real" program, so the manpage should say that14:16
persiamok0: No reason the manpage for gamgi can't mention the existence of gamgi.real, and that one should use /usr/bin/gamgi14:17
persiaalternately, shove it in /usr/lib/gamgi/gamgi.real14:17
mok0persia: yes... does that change the requirement for a manpage?14:17
persiaIt does: policy requires a manpage for everything in /bin, /sbin, /usr/bin, /usr/sbin, and /usr/games14:18
mok0persia, I don't see that. I only see "Each program, utility, and function should have an associated manual page included in the same package"14:19
persiaHmm..  I guess it depends on one's interpretation of policy.  I always felt that everything in the path, and everything not in the path that users were expected to execute should have a manpage.  I may be mistaken.14:20
mok0What do you think, ScottK?14:20
mok0persia: I agree that putting the exe file in /usr/lib/... is better14:21
persiaI don't think it's better, it's just an option.14:22
ScottKmok0: I believe that what persia is giving you is the traditional interpretation.  This policy requirement is mechanized in Lintian, so for a real anwer, I'd suggest consulting the Lintian source.14:22
mok0ScottK: good idea14:22
mok0persia: It is better, because it will prevent users from running the binary without environmental variables set up (unless they are clever)14:23
persiamok0: I guess that makes some sense.14:24
mok0ScottK, persia, thanks for the input! I will go ahead and fix the package14:25
emgentnxvl: o/15:09
nxvlemgent: hi!15:09
mok0Hmm, just created a new sbuilder, but it is missing apt???15:17
mok0intrepid sbuilder, that is15:17
emgentargh another issue on drupal..15:18
mok0emgent: what's up with drupal?15:22
emgentmore security issue15:24
mok0uhuh15:24
emgentcommitted intrepid now, i'm working to test backport fix for hardy.15:24
mok0emgent, what version of drupal is this?15:29
emgent5.X and 6.X15:29
mok0emgent: ah, finally, version 6! :-)15:29
emgent6.X it`snt in intrepid yet15:29
mok0emgent: will be I hope15:30
emgenti'm waiting for bump it in Ubuntu15:30
Hobbseeemgent: thanks for the warning.  upgraded drupal, and actually subscribed to the rss feed now!15:30
emgentmok0: dont know.. i will see first to 28 August15:31
emgentHobbsee: hehe np, the real problem is that all LoCo Team use it, but not with ubuntu repo..15:31
emgentmanual installation.. :-|15:31
Hobbseemine's manual too15:31
Hobbseeit took about 2 minutes.15:31
emgentand not all LoCo upgrade it..15:32
emgent(of apply the fix)15:32
Hobbseetrue15:32
emgentand box dont run mod_security for try to exclude this attack15:32
mok0Ydrk, getting a compile error in intrepid (but not earlier):  'struct hostent' has no member named 'h_addr'15:33
mok0Ydrk, it's now wrapped in ifdefs15:34
emgenti think that we should write a census for CMS used by loco.. and try to send auto-notice when vuln is out.15:35
emgent(with attached fix)15:35
emgentanyway i will talk about it in the next security team meeting15:37
nxvlwith wich command is that i saw that packages depend on $package?15:44
mok0apt-rdepends15:49
persiaI tend to use apt-cache rdepends, as apt-rdepends is a little funny (or at least I can't get it to use --follow right)15:52
nxvlpersia: yeah, i'm using rdepends, i have just tried the 2 of them and apt-cache is more what i was looking for15:54
nxvlthank you!15:54
* nxvl HUGS mok0 and persia 15:54
mok0persia: did you file a bug report? :-D15:55
emgentheya persia :)15:55
persiamok0: Not yet: I've yet to determine it's not me (I keep getting distracted by something else when using apt-rdepends)16:00
persiaThat said, the manpage says it doesn't quite emulate apt-cache, so except where one needs recursion, I think apt-cache is a better tool.16:01
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nxvlbobbo: around?16:33
voriandholbach: ping :)16:50
voriannxvl: congrats man!16:52
bobbonxvl: hey16:52
nxvlvorian: thank you16:53
nxvlbobbo: nevermind i just uploaded it16:53
bobbonxvl: ok :)16:53
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chervashould I register a blueprint for Intrepid on launchpad if I'm not going to assign myself to it ? if they find it as a stupid idea they will remove it right ?17:31
persiacherva: There's no good way to remove blueprints, and blueprints for intrepid were discussed in May, so the timing is a little awkward.17:34
persiaThe next round of blueprinting will be for intrepid+1, for discussion in December at UDS.17:34
chervapersia: so it is too late to proppose to make nautilus edit id3 tags of mp3 via properties->sound tab ?17:35
persiacherva: There's only two weeks until FeatureFreeze, and nautius tends to follow upstream very closely.  You'd do best to either work to get that into GNOME or put it on brainstorm.17:36
chervapersia: it is on brainstorm17:37
persiacherva: OK.  From brainstorm, the next step is to organise the implementation, and get some PoC stuff together.  Often a wiki page is used for this, and written in Specification format.  Has that been done?17:39
chervapersia: http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/3888/ there is no wiki, strage this idea is from  8 Mar '08 where can I see the discussed blueprints for the ibex?17:42
persiacherva: I don't know that they are organised in their entirety anywhere.  Most of the teams have individual listings of blueprints interesting to them.17:43
chervapersia: I guess I'll wait for the interpid+1 discussion :)17:43
superm1persia, do you have a good methodology for how you are tracking down the extras that get added in in the studio stuff?  _MMA_ showed me some 300 megs that got added17:44
persiasuperm1: Not really.  I've been fiddling with `apt-rdepends --show=Depends,Recommends`.  I've yet to figure out how --follow works.  Also: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-studio-devel/2008-August/000822.html17:46
persiacherva: That or get inolved in implementing it yourself: generally those specs that are almost there are more likely to get included than those that are more a description of something someone else should do.17:46
superm1persia, ah okay fairly similar to how i started to look at some of the mythbuntu stuff that is depending on too much.17:47
superm1our live cd image is some 200 megs bigger (That includes compression.....)17:48
superm1and from what i've seen so far, we dont want any of it17:48
chervapersia: I don't think my code will be good for implementing it ANYWHERE :)17:48
persiaWell, there's some stuff we want: I just added libpam-ck-connector to -desktop today.  On the other hand, we were pulling all of KDE, which is a bit odd for a GNOME-based desktop.17:49
persiacherva: Proof-of-concept.  Then present that to known nautilus hackers, and watch it change into real, useful, code.17:49
chervapersia: I don't know gtk :) just a little qt4 I'll just leave it for now17:51
persiacherva: OK.  If you really want it, maybe you can find someone else who both knows GTK and also wants it?17:51
chervano I just wanted to ask what will happen if i register a blueprint and I know now thanks :)17:52
goshawkh17:53
goshawkhi17:53
goshawkif someone have free time please see :http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=dsss17:53
persiagoshawk: What is dsss?17:57
goshawkpersia: it's like python eggs17:58
goshawkbut for D programming language17:58
goshawkdsss net install application17:58
goshawkdownloads compiles and installs the application17:58
persiaAh.  Considering how much time we spend patching that out of python apps, I'm unsure how much we want it for other programming languages17:59
goshawkyou're right17:59
goshawkbut sometimes it could be good17:59
goshawkexpecially for not packaged application17:59
goshawkand, now, in the D world17:59
persiaWell, I don't think it's good for not-packaged applications, as they ought be packaged.  It might make things more convenient for D developers though.18:00
goshawkthey are a lot (that are not packaged i mean)18:00
persia(but not much more convenient for D developers who wanted to have their applications in Ubuntu)18:00
goshawkpersia: it's also the "make" equivalent for D applications18:00
persiaOughtn't they be packaged then, if they are useful?18:00
persiaOh.  If it's "make" equivalent, than we do need it.18:01
persiaI don't suppose you've packaged it in a way that tries to pull libraries from the repositories, rather than the net, have you?18:01
goshawkpersia: it's mainly a make equivalent18:01
goshawkthe "net" module get sources from net and compile it18:01
goshawkfor example18:01
goshawkdsss build18:01
goshawkin a D source tree18:01
goshawkcompiles and generate executables18:02
goshawkpersia: it's a coded from scratch application18:02
goshawkit uses just C libs18:02
goshawkand D ones18:02
goshawk(using gdc the gnu d compiler that is in the ubuntu repo)18:02
goshawkit does not use the net to build18:03
goshawkitself18:03
goshawkall the libraries are in the repo18:03
persiaRight.  I'm just considering the future popularity of this for D developers, and think that if you haven't, you might want to see if you can stub out the net module to pull libraries from the repositories, pehaps if a certain siwtch is provided.  That then makes it easy to package D code that build-depends on dsss18:04
goshawkyou can't use the net module while using dsss like "make"18:05
goshawkexcept you do dirty things in makefiles18:05
persiagoshawk: OK.  Now I'm confused.18:05
goshawkpersia: i'll explain better18:05
goshawkD applications have a makefile called dsss.conf18:05
goshawkit's readed by dsss18:06
goshawkto build sources18:06
goshawkdsss has a net module too18:06
goshawkto get and compile sources18:06
goshawkbut the net module is not accessible by dsss.conf18:06
goshawkit has no sense for a dsss.conf to get18:07
goshawkthe net module18:07
goshawksince18:07
goshawkthe net module just get sources from the net18:07
goshawkand open them18:07
goshawkthen it goes in the source dir and do "dsss build"18:07
goshawkand dsss install18:07
goshawkis it now more easy to understand?18:08
persiaOK.  So there's no easy way for a developer to configure dsss to pull build-dependencies from the net as part of a call to dsss build ?18:09
goshawkno, dsss does not solve dependencies, it's like make18:10
goshawkdsss net module is able to18:10
goshawkbut you can't call it from dsss.conf18:11
persiaOK, so `dsss build` can't pull from the net?18:11
goshawkyep right18:11
goshawkdsss build just builds18:11
goshawkaccording to specifications in dsss.conf18:11
persiaOK.  Added to my list of packages to review.18:12
goshawk:) thanks18:12
sebnerpersia: after uqm of course :P18:16
persiasebner: Indeed.  It's a FIFO queue.18:17
goshawkD:18:17
goshawk:D18:17
sebnerpersia: nice to hear =)18:17
devfilSomeone can take a look at http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=ircp-tray ?19:45
emgentevening20:11
ethana2on ubuntu 8.10 alpha 4, the version of miro that ships is 1.2.3, current from miro apt is 1.2.620:41
* ethana2 checks code freeze date20:41
ethana2ok, we haven't even hit feature freeze20:43
ethana2http://www.getmiro.com/download/20:43
devfilethana2: can you open a bug (if it doesn't exists yet)?20:44
ethana2launchpad?20:44
devfilethana2: yes20:45
nelleryethana2, this will help https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs20:46
ethana2ok20:46
ethana2well i report bugs all the time20:46
ethana2a few others this week-- but how do you file a 'package needs to be updated' bug?20:46
nelleryHave a look at the many examples https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.tag=upgrade20:48
nelleryethana2, make sure you add the tag 'upgrade'20:48
ethana2got it20:48
ethana2ok, how to i add tags?20:51
ethana2is that after submitting?20:51
ethana2ok  yes20:54
ethana2https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/miro/+bug/25840120:55
ubottuLaunchpad bug 258401 in miro "old version of miro in intrepid repositories" [Undecided,New]20:55
ethana2oh hey, while i'm here, i'd like to see this maybe get resolved in a timely manner21:08
ethana2https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/25805821:08
ubottuLaunchpad bug 258058 in libprinterconf "Brother DCP 7020 uses wrong drivers" [Undecided,New]21:08
cody-somerville...21:08
ethana2particularly because not only is this bug extremely annoying to me, but the solution should be somewhat simple21:08
cody-somervilleethana2, I look forward to receiving your patch then21:09
ethana2i don't know if i have the ability to help fix this bug myself21:09
ethana2ok, how do i do this?21:09
cody-somervilleWell, you fix it21:09
cody-somervillethen you compare the the old and the fixed version21:09
ethana2right, i have the .deb files for all the right drivers21:09
ethana2is there a driver index file somewhere i can insert this stuff in?21:10
ethana2anyone familiar with the printing subsystem want to help me out?21:10
ethana2i'm expecting the fix to involve maybe a few lines of text, but i don't know where the file is that the text needs to be added to21:11
ethana2ok here, how do i found the launchpad maintainer of a given project?21:12
cody-somervilleWell, you could determine what binary is launched when you plug in your printer21:12
ethana2once i know that i can just ask him21:12
cody-somervilleThen determine which package that belongs to21:12
ethana2i've got that already21:12
ethana2i think21:12
ethana2alright, i should be absolutely sure i guess21:12
cody-somerville"apt-get source <package name>" to get the source code21:13
ethana2how do i see what's being launched as i plug stuff in?21:13
ethana2ah yeah, when i apt-get source, does it just dump it wherever i'm at like svn, or does it put it in some source directory?21:13
cody-somervilleIt will download three files to you current working directory21:14
cody-somervilleand extract the source into a sub directory21:14
ethana2ah, ok21:14
ethana2ok, got it, now to figure out where it stores the printer/driver index21:16
* ethana2 is asking on ##cups21:20
ethana2Ok, this is confusing--what I may do is get a livecd of the latest suse and fedora and add those to the bug report on launchpad if they're affected21:33
ethana2well, thanks for the help-- time to see how the intrepid radeon driver performs in tremulous21:37
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